Christmas Time Is Here Again

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

[Samusamu]

This post is pretty townie.

why? the tmi comment? since i see you're doubting Made atm

Kyle/mewtini, I'm having the hardest time reading you two. Weigh in on sig vs samu, please.

think samu is clear town for energy and genuineness. also appreciated him trying to preserve thread direction and eventually saying "maybe sig is just aggravated town," felt like he was acting in good faith

reluctant to slap a scumlean on sig out of personal policy (which is that it's d1 and i want to see more before SLing anyone); i think i'm sideeyeing made more at the moment, actually. sig's recent posting feels more genuine / less wordtwisty than earlier posting did (need to reread later, the language boundary was i think a nonnegligible part of it + made was a bit more strange about it than necessary)

i'm curious about any metareads that anyone else may have on made/sig tbh. i also find it pretty difficult to read much of anything from the current lowposters, e.g. i'm wondering where the syn reads are coming from

You post like a town.

[Samusamu]

I really don't get why everyone here seems to not give a damn about the gift function.

It's literally a second lynch if used properly, if used improperly it'll totally fuck up town. We already know mafia can only give it to themselves once. Which means town is instantly at an advantage if we force this conversation into the open it takes all the power from the mafia for every phase except for one

Somebody explain to me why this isn't something we should be focused on

I don't actually think this is important enough to coordinate over

Most people go for a POE shot anyway

I will generally agree that maybe wolves wouldn't want hero shots going off, but POE clearing is also something they wouldn't want

more importantly, our debating about optimal gift play will directly influence wolf planning, as inevitably someone will "figure it out" and hand the optimal strategy to the wolves on a silver platter

Agree, at some point coordinate will be the best strat altought wolves know what we wanna do.

[Samusamu]

If nobody else thinks it's good to discuss shots ect and leave it to the individual I'll roll with it. Buuuuuut, I want it noted for post game that I'm firmly against so I can do a "I told you so"

No, its okey, tell me what do u want to discuss right now?


Btw anybody knows why i cant unvote or vote another thing?

[Samusamu]

Kylemii is townie. Very transparent thought processes.

I see Kyle more telling facts than being transparent with his thoughts as was mewtini.

Is there any part that makes you say that?

[Samusamu]

Ahh wait, i can change my vote now.

[VOTE: Cat] aubergine

Dont like fluff posters

[Alison]

Cat might be bad instead of kyle

Good post.

[Alison]

The aggression shown by both sig and samu right out of the gate felt like two civilians who thought they’d caught mafiers.

If I show aggression out the gate you don't give me townpoints, because you know it's very well within my scum range. Same for Mac, nutella, or any other experienced player. sig is an experienced player. Why does he get points for aggression?

[Alison]

Sloonei, do you agree on disagree on the following points:

1) Samusamu is obvious town.
2) Sig would see that Samusamu is obvious town if he was town.

[cat]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Based on observation. Too calm and methodical.

[cat]

Nutella also can go, ISO is worse than mine and i'm a shitter.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Based on observation. Too calm and methodical.

[Alison]

Okay that made me laugh. That is a pretty townie push though. It doesn't seem agenda-driven and I don't think it's a sensical push for a mafioso to make.

[cat]

Mafia if you give the gift i promise to shoot Alison for you.

[mewtini]

@Alison what would you say differentiates your wolf versus townie approach?

[mewtini]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Based on observation. Too calm and methodical.

what makes you say that that’s necessarily wolfy and not just a particular town playstyle?

(night everyone)

[mewtini]

(my two cents is that i also don’t entirely jam with the playstyle, but i’m very hesitant to just call unfamiliar playstyles scummy esp in a new group; noting here that i’m a little frustrated by alison characterizing my “i don’t do hard scumreads d1” as a hedge + that she seemingly asked a question in the hopes of receiving a specific answer?)

[sig]

If nobody else thinks it's good to discuss shots ect and leave it to the individual I'll roll with it. Buuuuuut, I want it noted for post game that I'm firmly against so I can do a "I told you so"

No, its okey, tell me what do u want to discuss right now?


Btw anybody knows why i cant unvote or vote another thing?

Mainly if we want to talk in thread about it or just hit our own poe then pros and cons of both.


I read over samu, I'm not seeing an obvious town vibe, but I do think in hindsight our argument was a bit dumb. So I'll table that for now and gonna switch my vote to no kill as a place holder

[sig]

Sloonei, do you agree on disagree on the following points:

1) Samusamu is obvious town.
2) Sig would see that Samusamu is obvious town if he was town.

Ah but for anyone who knows me theyd say I'm obvious town so are you mafia for voting for me.

Also the idea your mafia for going against someone who you don't read as town even if other people do isn't a straight up mafia thing to do.

How many times have people deep wolfed in games, something Samu says he likes to do.

I'm not saying he is deep wolfing, but calling me mafia for not agreeing hes town isn't very logical seems like your trying to find a weak reason to throw down a vote.

[sig]

If nobody else thinks it's good to discuss shots ect and leave it to the individual I'll roll with it. Buuuuuut, I want it noted for post game that I'm firmly against so I can do a "I told you so"

Do you have a strategy to propose?

Yes,

Like I've said before I think we need to treat it as a second lynch, so during the first like 12 hours of night phase we need to decide who's scummy even maybe do a mock vote type deal then all agree to shoot one person or at least narrow it down to 1 or 2.

I recognize that allows mafia to know who's gonna die in advance, but right now I feel like not discussing it until after someone is shot doesn't help town since we're basically letting a rouge kill bounce around

[sig]

Also I'm traveling today so probably won't be posting much

[sig]

Is it to late for me to stop being serious do a 180 and just shit post for like 5 phases?

[sig]

And can we get iso links I'd do it but idk how. ;(

[sig]

Upon a quick reread, I actually like samu a bit more, I'd not say they're obvious town and I still disagree that my points were scummy but I could see this being town on town.

Redirected my focus to Alison, wilgy, and cat right now.

If anyone can read syn that would be great, he seems to be playing the same as last game where he was scum, but I've not been able to read him very well yet.

[sig]

Who's telling cat things?

Did this ever get resolved

[sig]

I've got a tin foil theory brewing that wilgy, cat, and then Allison/syn are mafia with a tin foiled version of that theory saying instead of them its samu.

[sig]

I've got a tin foil theory brewing that wilgy, cat, and then Allison/syn are mafia with a tin foiled version of that theory saying instead of them its samu.

Potentially switch out wilgy with Kyle since both are basiclly doing the same thing

[Samusamu]

Upon a quick reread, I actually like samu a bit more, I'd not say they're obvious town and I still disagree that my points were scummy but I could see this being town on town.

Redirected my focus to Alison, wilgy, and cat right now.

If anyone can read syn that would be great, he seems to be playing the same as last game where he was scum, but I've not been able to read him very well yet.

What do u like a bit more?

[Samusamu]

I've got a tin foil theory brewing that wilgy, cat, and then Allison/syn are mafia with a tin foiled version of that theory saying instead of them its samu.

Instead four persons i'm the mafia? Only i?

[Samusamu]

Xd

[sig]

Upon a quick reread, I actually like samu a bit more, I'd not say they're obvious town and I still disagree that my points were scummy but I could see this being town on town.

Redirected my focus to Alison, wilgy, and cat right now.

If anyone can read syn that would be great, he seems to be playing the same as last game where he was scum, but I've not been able to read him very well yet.

What do u like a bit more?

I think I was a bit wrong about you not wanting to engage on shots since you were the only one to follow up at a later point and I like your content outside of our disagreement. I wouldn't say you look amazing, but also not bad.

It was also a bit of me needing to cool down take a step back and approach it from another angle. Nobody else seems concerned and while in the past I've been the only one to call out mafia and just ignored I figure I'll put the shot disagreement on the back burner for the time being .

[sig]

I've got a tin foil theory brewing that wilgy, cat, and then Allison/syn are mafia with a tin foiled version of that theory saying instead of them its samu.

Instead four persons i'm the mafia? Only i?

I mean you'd replace one of them.

Alison, Kyle, syn, wilgy, or cat.

Followed by samu being my like extra strong tin foil.

[sig]

Mew, made and sloonie look good right now,

LC is slanking a bit and that pings me

[cat]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Based on observation. Too calm and methodical.

what makes you say that that’s necessarily wolfy and not just a particular town playstyle?

(night everyone)

My observation that i based this read on.

[cat]

From what i can tell townie Alison is a tad more agressive and tries to take a town leader approach, or atleast keep others in check to make sure they aren't stupid.
Scum Alison is a lot more pockety and just places reads down without being too agressive to avoid blame. Would rather agree with someone on a read than push people forward towards one.

As far as i can tell, i can easily be wrong. If it's wrong i will just vote Sloonei, no biggie.

[cat]

Laughing at my read and calling me town fits a lot more to the scum category. Discrediting a read by taking it as a joke and calling me town to calm me down.

[Kylemii]

Nutella also can go, ISO is worse than mine and i'm a shitter.

I didn't even know nutella was playing, that's weird

[Kylemii]

she's not

[Kylemii]

that's even more suspcious

[Grand Scheme]

I really don't get why everyone here seems to not give a damn about the gift function.

It's literally a second lynch if used properly, if used improperly it'll totally fuck up town. We already know mafia can only give it to themselves once. Which means town is instantly at an advantage if we force this conversation into the open it takes all the power from the mafia for every phase except for one

Grand Scheme agrees, though it caused a rift
It is good to discuss who gets the gift

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

For very good, very legitimate reasons.

Sloonie my dear, what are you're thoughts on shots and my back and forth with Samu

you are both town

Okay, then who isn't?

You, kyle, and mewtini

Though they could act with utmost guile
I do not think it's sig and Kyle

Cat might be bad instead of kyle

I'd colour him light orangey-pink
And cast a vote for the feline fink

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

anyone with a Christmas themed avatar is immune to my vote and my gun for day 1 :mongoose:

Lest it be said I'm not jolly
'Twixt my horns, a crown of holly

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Based on observation. Too calm and methodical.

Indeed, 'tis a succinct description
Of her usual demeanor and diction

Nutella also can go, ISO is worse than mine and i'm a shitter.

That's a strange thing to be saying
nutella isn't even playing

Mew, made and sloonie look good right now,

LC is slanking a bit and that pings me

A long con plan can prod a ping
But slanking's, like, my normal thing

[Grand Scheme]

Though it's not close, it's good to note
A hammer drops on the eighth vote

[Grand Scheme]

Perhaps to cloud the baddies' vision
Avoid top suspicion night submissions

[Syn]

From what i can tell townie Alison is a tad more agressive and tries to take a town leader approach, or atleast keep others in check to make sure they aren't stupid.
Scum Alison is a lot more pockety and just places reads down without being too agressive to avoid blame. Would rather agree with someone on a read than push people forward towards one.

As far as i can tell, i can easily be wrong. If it's wrong i will just vote Sloonei, no biggie.

I've recently wolfed with Alison and that wolf meta isn't true lol

[Syn]

sample size of only one game ofc but she definitely was not those things

[Syn]

also sloonei I loved your answer to my random push

you are never a wolf, even when you are

[Syn]

if you're going to make a meta read on someone, you should be very, very, very, very sure it's actually reliable meta

if they're known to switch it up, you can't use meta as an indicator of alignment

maybe Alison really is passive as a wolf (I can't see it), but since I have personal experience where she wasn't, idk that I would buy any argument built on "she's passive therefore wolf"

[Syn]

which is all to say

goose bad

[Syn]

smh I was gonna complain about sig thread flooding and here I am doing the same

[Samusamu]

Alison said something of a birthday, prob thats why she isnt too active this day phase.

I dont think that is something good to discuss.

@cat can u quote something that alison said that u dont like?

[Made]

in particular because of how early into the phase it was
felt like priming to me even though i think i agree it is a town-important thing to talk about at some point, esp considering that it's unholsterable; setting up an inactive kill felt like a strange move right out of the gate

quickly noting here that i don't play by making true scumreads on d1

...so you make false scum reads? what you mean??