The Syndicate

Now everyone should go play Epi’s Avenger game, but also don’t let this game taint your view at all

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 11:46 pm Sig, why dis you bother participating today like that? You could have affimed Lorab and locked that in way easier.

So I wasn’t planning to, but I got worried town would switch off of lorab and jump to falcon then be able to pair us. So I felt like I had to take control of thread vs just being present.

Lorab showing up did put a wrinkle in my plan though lol.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:37 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:15 pm Great game all around! And thanks from hosting Leetic.

I did give epi a gun thinking he’d shoot Jay if we needed it, we totally did try to set up Jay as a vote also lol and it failed.

Also this is now 2/2 where Falcon and I rolled mafia and won. I think we’re a power duo
I never would have gotten to you. This is probably the best mafia play I've ever seen from you.

Thanks!

I definitely put in a lot of work this last phase

Great game all around! And thanks from hosting Leetic.

I did give epi a gun thinking he’d shoot Jay if we needed it, we totally did try to set up Jay as a vote also lol and it failed.

Also this is now 2/2 where Falcon and I rolled mafia and won. I think we’re a power duo

These next twenty minutes are gonna be a killer.

On the plus side falcon dipped so that’s a good sign I think

Yea I’m feeling good about this

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:15 pm Does Epi have to announce the gun in public to use it?
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It functions more as a night kill shot vs a day time, so he’d us it might 4 which is why I brought it up

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:10 pm sig is like the bite-hider in a zombie movie

just a tiny bit! I didn’t want to tell mafia in case killing him stopped the gun, but given the current situation it seems logical

Yea, I was pretty convinced he was town, I can’t use it myself, but if we actually think he’s mafia that’s 3 kills they could use this night phase

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:06 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:05 pm Well okay confession time, I’ve sprinkled it throughout this phase, so if you look you could probably find it, buuuuut I’m an odd night gun smith starting night 3 and I have Epi
What does that mean? You can shoot him?

No like I gave him a gun to shoot someone.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:05 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:03 pm [VOTE: epi] aubergine

This isn’t my final thought here, but the more lorab posts less sure I am of that move.

Also if we think it’s Epi and Falcon it needs to be epi tonight.
You have been very convincingly Town in this latest section of the game. I thought you were getting a pass too easily, but you've given me newfound confidence in you, so that's nice.

I'll vote Epi if it needs to be Epi tonight. [VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Well rip maybe I shouldn’t have done that last post the

Gave epi a gun* so maybe big oops there

Well okay confession time, I’ve sprinkled it throughout this phase, so if you look you could probably find it, buuuuut I’m an odd night gun smith starting night 3 and I have Epi

[VOTE: epi] aubergine

This isn’t my final thought here, but the more lorab posts less sure I am of that move.

Also if we think it’s Epi and Falcon it needs to be epi tonight.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:43 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:41 pm Some annoying WIFOM to decorate your guest bathroom:

I’m not mafia because absolutely nobody on this roster makes sense as my mafia teammate unless you think it’s exactly sig and LoRab with me.
I'm sitting in my bunker listening to radio waves with a tin hat thinking Falc/Jay is a fine combo.

The tinfoil pirate hat comes out and I think Epi/Moto.

Would Mafia epi kill Wilgy based off this?

Okay I think I might be getting paranoid and reading too deeply into things.

I’m going to read Wilgy really quick and be back

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:54 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:53 pm But then again lorab is very active, mafia could survive one player being flipped right? Would it make sense for her to come guns a blazing
There's more reason for her to have a sense of urgency as civilian than as mafia. I don't know how much of a difference that makes.

Yea that’s what I’m saying. So

4 v 2 assuming tony claim
4 v 1 night kills 2 v 1

That gives mafia another shot

But then again lorab is very active, mafia could survive one player being flipped right? Would it make sense for her to come guns a blazing

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:50 pm I'd rather eliminate Epignosis than falcon, I think. I am more confident that he'd flip mafia, even if only slightly.

I was about to follow up my other post and say epi also pushed you, so in the world where mafia killed to push epi does fir that as well.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:50 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:46 pm This theory does all go out the window if lorab is town, which is the issue right now.
When I ask my soul "is LoRab mafia?" it is telling me no. I know there's a case for her to be mafia, but that applies to nearly everyone including me. At a certain point "do I believe her?" supplants "is she convincing me that my case is wrong?". The latter is very hard to achieve regardless of the correctness of a case anyway.

I could be wrong. I sure have been otherwise in this game. But I don't feel it.

Eh, my issues are with her answers (no offense lorab

)

For example on the LC question she basically says nothing? I get the Meta side, but D4 with lots of content I need more.

Pair that with her accusing me of not reading the thread and really only focusing on the two people who are active and not pro lorab and I don’t know. I don’t see the towny angle there

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:55 pm Town reads:
Tony
Simon
Falcon
Wilgy

Townlean:
Moto
Epi

Scumlean:
JJJ
Long con

SCUMREAD:
Princess Abbi

TALK MORE:
Lorab
Sig
Abbi sophia

if we think scotty was killed for a read why did everyone focus on Jay and not LC?

I’ll have to try and reread epi, but we’re getting down to the wire here.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:43 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:21 pm First guess right this instant is Epi/Long Con.

They made this wagon happened and vanished. I know it's Easter, but I have to assess the game in front of me.
Meh I probably still like falcon/Epi more. falcon's gripes today are wack.
I’d be shocked if long con wasn’t mafia
That's a more confident read than I would make about anyone lol. Why?

Probably since I’m paranoid.

But legit,

I think he pairs the best as mafia with either lorab or Epi.

I don’t like his exchange with lorab, it seems coordinated, now he’s willing to switch off to someone else, thus turning the vote away from Lorab. They both popped in at the same time and almost did a mini CFD

In the current breakdown if he moves to falcon, you follow, we’re tied which is a mafia win.

This theory does all go out the window if lorab is town, which is the issue right now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:21 pm First guess right this instant is Epi/Long Con.

They made this wagon happened and vanished. I know it's Easter, but I have to assess the game in front of me.
Meh I probably still like falcon/Epi more. falcon's gripes today are wack.

I’d be shocked if long con wasn’t mafia

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:38 pm Ok Lorab. I believe you.

My vote will change. I have to go to the corner store first. Back in 15.

Who are you moving too?

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:05 pm Both mafia are currently voting LoRab.

Two among Epi, falcon, and Long Con.
In order of most to least suspish, to me, in this moment:

Falcon
Epi
Sig
LC

Why is LC least?

Do we think the vote on falcon is a distancing attempt?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:09 pm If I am a giant doofus and LoRab does flip mafia, that would also be fitting. Stay your pitchforks and try to exist in my head for a moment.

My biggest issue is she’s more trying to not get voted off vs trying to hunt mafia in my mind.

Having said that the other mafia member has to be on her, unless it’s you or TSP, TSP requires some HEAVY tin foiling, and right now I don’t think it’s you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:55 pm Perhaps it's meaningful that falcon is the only player who has suspected me and never reconsidered.

You’re saying he’s right and you’re mafia?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:52 pm Reminder that a tie won't cut it -- mafia control them. It shouldn't happen with 7 players, but yanno.

And with 2 mafia we really need to try and consolidate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:48 pm If LoRab is mafia, I am struggling to find a good teammate right now. I don't think Epi makes sense unless he abandoned his old aversion to bussing. He can win the game today if he wants to, so pursuing his teammate would be goofy.

Long Con is theoretically plausible, but he is also the origin of the LoRab wagon today more than anyone else. So eh.

falcon is theoretically plausible, but only if we accept significant distancing earlier in the game (especially with LoRab's indignant reception of his accusations).

That’s the big hang up, I could see LC he’s known to bus, Falcon is possible, and then it could only be TSP.

I’ll either be ending on lorab or epi, one has to be mafia within the current POE or we’re 100% cooked

I’ll probably be logging out for a bit but I do plan to come back before eod.

Feel like*

Well shit I fell like I’m right back to where I was pre ISO

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:34 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:07 pm [VOTE: lorab] aubergine

I talked myself into it with the above post.

I wouldn’t be shocked if we see LC switch over shortly then it’s just a matter of convincing one maybe two other civs, if they aren’t able to they’ll switch back to Epi.
Can you better explain your second sentence? I don’t know what you mean of “convincing civs,” other than it seems to be an admission of you’re not civ.

You and LC are mafia,

You only need one maybe two civs to join you on the falcon wagon and boom win.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:30 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:25 pm You’re either wrong or you re lying. Either way, I’m civ.

Please, show me a game where players on this forum didn’t suspect me for that. Because, that is not alignment indicative. And I just clarified my thoughts on Indy views.

Meanwhile, since I have nothing to lose now,. And in case there’s some weird thing and my lynch doesn’t end the game with the bad guys winning,I’ll share that you have become way more suspicious this round. You’re close in line for rising from orange to red. Evidence includes your clearly not really paying attention to details of the game.

And your apparent glee at the wagon against me.
This may be an important thing. LoRab, when accused, has fully opened the POE pool (in a sense) by including sig as a suspect, and that has progressed. I don't actually think that is a suspicious thing for her to do in isolation. Indeed, that's kind of what I would expect from a civilian in her position. She would have a uniquely insightful view of the game by way of knowing LoRab isn't it. That tends to require considering more radical possibilities.

I contrast this with Epignosis, who found another player in as much danger as he was to accuse (LoRab herself) and went for the self-proclaimed "slam dunk". That's easier to describe as an agenda.

If you had to pick between the two do you still find Epi worse?

Personally I think expanding the POE at this phase just makes it more confusing, adds more unknown, and just further increases the chance we misvote. But, I’m a bit bias regarding that

And including that I’m either wrong or lying again gives you a way to shift your view.

Too a degree I get it, but I need some solid reasoning for why you think each player is good or bad and only 3 potential mafia names

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:25 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:05 pm Just did a read of Lorab and I’m once again back to the world where she’s mafia.

Overall her gameplay this game has been blendy, even when she vote typically includes what other people said for why they voted.

Today, which is the biggest issue for me, she left everyone up for a vote except Jay and TSP, claiming she believed TSP third party claim. This runs contradictory to her D1 view on independent thought so that’s a ping.

But, then again if she’s mafia I’d say that means her teammate is also active right now.

I doubt it’s falcon, I’m civ reading Jay, that would only leave LC which would work.
You’re either wrong or you re lying. Either way, I’m civ.

Please, show me a game where players on this forum didn’t suspect me for that. Because, that is not alignment indicative. And I just clarified my thoughts on Indy views.

Meanwhile, since I have nothing to lose now,. And in case there’s some weird thing and my lynch doesn’t end the game with the bad guys winning,I’ll share that you have become way more suspicious this round. You’re close in line for rising from orange to red. Evidence includes your clearly not really paying attention to details of the game.

And your apparent glee at the wagon against me.

See this is exactly what I mean. Your shifting reads like crazy and refusing to town read or even give town reasons for anyone. The fact everyone is red/orange means you can keep flipping l.

Also there’s no apparent glee here and your statement about me not paying attention makes no sense?

If we add TSP back into the mix and say they’re teammates that would explain why we’re all having such a hard time finding two mafia members. But; there’s the risk there that we assume this and blindly go into the lorab vote.

Having said that it isn’t a stretch to think that Lorab, who isn’t as tied into the game wouldn’t be totally aware of TSP Claim/}remember her early comment

You know what I’m fine with the current vote .

I think at this point we can’t post until Epi/TSP are engaged and we’ll just being running around in circles and getting paranoid

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

I talked myself into it with the above post.

I wouldn’t be shocked if we see LC switch over shortly then it’s just a matter of convincing one maybe two other civs, if they aren’t able to they’ll switch back to Epi.

Just did a read of Lorab and I’m once again back to the world where she’s mafia.

Overall her gameplay this game has been blendy, even when she vote typically includes what other people said for why they voted.

Today, which is the biggest issue for me, she left everyone up for a vote except Jay and TSP, claiming she believed TSP third party claim. This runs contradictory to her D1 view on independent thought so that’s a ping.

But, then again if she’s mafia I’d say that means her teammate is also active right now.

I doubt it’s falcon, I’m civ reading Jay, that would only leave LC which would work.

Jay what do you think of the LC posts I quoted?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 5:52 pm I don't really give a crap if I look like LoRab's teammate.

We have to be right today or we lose. LoRab could be mafia. It's an easy argument to make. She was accused and said "no, not me". Mafia can say that. Civilians can too. It's irrelevant to me. I am forced to assess with pure gut, because the game offers no actual evidence. And my gut is not comfortable.

I’m in the same boat here gut wise, but also my gut doesn’t think Falcon is bad either.

It doesn’t help we could loose this phase/mafia could win.

My biggest issue I guess with switching off of lorab is that besides Jay she left everyone open to a vote. That just screams desperate mafia more than civ.

Flip side falcon being stuck in the Jay tunnel isn’t very helpful

Or maybe it’s Jay and lorab and this is all an attempt to sway away from her

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 5:45 pm We've followed the easy path every day.

0 for 3.

LoRab is the easy path.

I just read through Epi ISO, and oof not as confident now.

I’m legitimately thinking LC/ epi or lorab

I feel like these ISO are just making me more conflicted

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 5:17 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 5:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:22 pm I would be completely satisfied with starting a town core of JJJ, Long Con, and Epignosis. If you guys want to take the risk together.
Long con, when did you evolve from reading Jay as mafia to civ? Early D2 you were voting/suspicious of him so this was a quick flip
After I accused him of being a Wolf and saying I valued my pride more than being right.

Yea I found that part

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:50 pm But abigail sophia is F R O Z E N.

She is not sure what to do under all this suspicion and has nothing to say. She doesn't even have a teammate in her family that she can bounce ideas off.

These are my thoughts. I don't know if they are good ones.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:53 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:51 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:50 pm But abigail sophia is F R O Z E N.

She is not sure what to do under all this suspicion and has nothing to say. She doesn't even have a teammate in her family that she can bounce ideas off.

These are my thoughts. I don't know if they are good ones.
Certainly could be. She should try to Let It Go.
Ok, good enough for me. You are free.

[VOTE: Abigail sophia ] aubergine

These two posts in a row are a little weird? So are these three.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:08 pm If we stick with Abigail voters then we can keep Shingen safer?

We went from this, to the below.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:05 pm Simon looks the worse of the two Epi-spawn.

[VOTE: simon] aubergine

To then voting for Falcon, who also wasn’t an AS voter.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:54 pm I'll move back to Simon though, because this level of participation will become a complication as the herd is thinned. [VOTE: Simon] aubergine

And finally to this.

Granted this didn’t end in Shigama being killed, but it drastically reduced the pool.

So while LC pointed out that Shigama wasn’t on AS, he seemed to have spent the bulk of the day voting for and advocating for voting off 2/4 of those said people.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:22 pm I would be completely satisfied with starting a town core of JJJ, Long Con, and Epignosis. If you guys want to take the risk together.

Long con, when did you evolve from reading Jay as mafia to civ? Early D2 you were voting/suspicious of him so this was a quick flip

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