The Syndicate

If Luke (not going to let that one go :P )voted for Floyd I'm confident I'd have lived for quite awhile and possibly kept TH alive. Even if the tie had gone my way I was green on quite a few lists and TH wouldn't have looked nearly as bad if I hadn't have flipped.

And just to set the record straight killing Black Rock was MM idea, not mine I wanted to kill SVS or golden night one.

It was a fun game anyone who hasn't should sign up for Star Wars so I can wreak revenge on y'all.

Also Epi thanks for hosting even if my team caused my death and town after my death I was cheering for you.

a2thezebra wrote:Seriously though, I feel sorry for scum this game. We are DESTROYING you poor folks.

If y'all felt that bad town could just forfeit the game..............just sayin :P

a2thezebra wrote:Golden, I say that I must truly suck at reading sig.

@MM yeah guess we didn't pray to the god of tie's enough or not sacrifice enough sheep

Well I could go all Indiana Jones on people that would work to.

I've got the same feeling if I survive I'm going on a Crusade and like the First one not the Fourth the fourth kinda failed.

Only Floyds I'm more interested in those who voted elsewhere.

praying*

If there was a player emoticon I'd be praying right know.

Oh I guess I shouldstop talking until I know the results sorry about that.

I couldn't vote I'm lost in the desert.

If I survive the tie I'll also be looking again at Blooper/Elohcin less likely to think Elohcin is mafia after today.

I could really consider voting Luke, i haven't seen his reasoning yet, but the fact he once again voted for banana and not for a main wagon.

Well I'm unfortunately out until after the lynch I encourage y'all not to leave me tied/lynched due to voter manipulation.
On another note all four who voted for me have had this done to them since SVS was forced to change her vote I could buy all were forced SERIOUSLY don't let me get lynched please.

linki: sorry golden just looked at the other two who already have a vote, and I agree with you there FZ not to sound paranoid but zebra could have been behind the manipulation which is why she voted so early in an attempt to make me get lynched since civs would be in disarray.

If we can get three more on either Zebra or Golden it would be a tie.
Or we could see if the majority would be willing to lynch a third option?
I've gotta go very soon though.

I'd suggest a quick gun to head of Golden/Zebra if either comes up as bad go with it maybe?

OKAY
bea
FZ.
Luke11646
NANANANANANA_BANANA
nijuukyugou
Sorsha
TheFloyd73
Turnip Head

These are the people who haven't voted and can still vote

Well shit.

I think everyone else here needs to kinda agree who to lynch. With the amount of players, me not being able to vote, and my vote number.

15 people alive, minus 6 from people who've vote, four for me and i can't vote myself. That leaves 8 people. I need five, maybe six to be safe to vote for someone else please.

I have a feeling Banana isn't coming back this phase from him not posting and if bea doesn't make the vote either that leaves 6. KNOW between golden and zebra only one is mafia if either. I'd lean to golden being mafia but I'm not even sure on that. If neither off those look good we could find someone else but if they haven't voted yet then we needto be sure to have 6 votes on them.

What does everyone think about Banana?

@HOST

SVS vote has been switched was this game manipulation or an accident I thought votes weren't changeable?

linki: does that mean your vote was supposed to happen?

ummmm SVS is voting for me?

Sig is here for the next fifteen minutes or so.
Know someone said not all three people who voted for me wanted to. This is interesting and it could happen one was manipulated other two jumped on the question is which ones faked it? Also lets remember I can't vote this phase so i won't be coming in to save myself I'd prefer a majority not on me.
Know I find it unlikely that multiply people targeted me without some form of coordination. The question is still why? The only answer I could get is that it is because I made read posts at night, perhaps some were right and this is the reason for this style instead of an NK?

I also revised Blooper some I'm unsure off her right know and would prefer not to lynch her tomorrow.

BK 16 posts, lasgun. Not much content here or many reads.

Drac 13 posts Gom Jabber, same as BK read wise.

So this could have something to do with their items, but I think it is more the lack of context. I would from these two kills they are targeting people who haven't posted much so won't lead back to them.

Know for the item argument they know now what the lasgun is but when BK was killed they didn't.
I guess it depends what the Gom Jabber does but I'm thinking they are going after potentially good items and low posters, this is a combination of the two based around the two kills.

What does everyone think of Floyd right know? Potential MM teammate or no.?

SVS is voting Matt I see her reasons but I don't agree with them. B
esides that my opinions are much the same as the ones I made the last night phase. I'll look over Drac and BK could there be some sort of connection we are missing.

MacDougall wrote:

sig wrote:Matt shouldn't come back until the day ends

poll was reset and he was one of the three to "vote" for me, it was a joke.

Matt shouldn't come back until the day ends

I see Elohcin know on the poll I'll review her but as I said I'm reading Blooper as much more scummy. Blooper isn't available to lynch today though, and I've yet to do my ISO on Elohcin.

Know I'm interested in who did this to me, I'm thinking if not the mafia then the Empire, notice this all happened when I mentioned two mafia teams? Might be acting alittle paranoid but it is worth discussing imo.

Indeed what? I missing something here.

Matt F wrote:

sig wrote:Wait what, three votes at the start of the day why?

What do you think of FZ and Turnip? Have you already said?

How about this, do you think Elohcin knew that Niju would be taken off the poll today? Elohcin was taken off the poll the day before right?



I noticed Harkonnen killed again. So the other factions aren't killing (as of yet).

Elohcin is still off the poll I don't think Blooper/Elohcin are teammates though.

I'm null on TH
and leaning civ on FZ mainly for the way she tied up the lynch yesterday this seems more civvi since it drew attention to her.

Golden wrote:I wasn't expecting to be part of a bandwagon! lol.

My apologies sig.

MacDougall wrote:Everything about this sucks.

Matt F wrote:RIP Draconus.

Vote Sig

My top suspects as of this moment...

FZ and Turnip, with slight susses still on Golden and Zebra 2.0

And a tiny eye on SVS (but I always think she's bad )

I believe, much to Mac's delight, I will be able to post cases on FZ and Turnip in the next few hours

Linki - Lol Mac Yup

Hmmm

This doesn't make much sense maybe some sort of voter manipulation, also I'm lost in the desert so I can't vote.

linki: I realize that know

Wait what, three votes at the start of the day why?

No problem Sorsha,
Elohcin she replaced BWT I believe.

I did Sorsha, they aren't as long but I quoted the two below.

sig wrote:What is the likely hood that there are two mafia teams?
From reading Dune the Empire wasn't exactly good but with a smaller game I'm not sure there would be two teams.

I'll read over TH and Zebra I'm confident that FZ isn't on MM team. I doubt Zebra is she was the first vote on Floyd and had strong reasoning for her lynch imo.
TH reasoning isn't great but it isn't horribly for a floyd lynch it doesn't seem like a scum vote to save a teammate and I liked his last post and am inclined to agree.

So House Harkonnen had four people, know three, correc? With so few would they risk voting to save MM just in case he lynched and it put them in the spotlight? I'd think no, instead I'd think one scum joined MM wagon to get civ credit, one didn't vote, and one voted for another person. I'm much more inclined to think this after looking over the Floyd voters none seem that scummy to me the worst would be TH and he doesn't even look bad just worse then the others if that makes sense.
/quote]

And this one talking more about TH/Zebra

sig wrote:The thread at the longer version of this post so it is slightly shorter did an ISO of Zebra/Th reason for voting FLoyd

Zebras case was strong imo and earlier in the phase, pushed a Floyd lynch. Looks good

TH has some progression on Floyd he leans for a floyd lynch before he actually votes for floyd.
He has some suspicions of Floyd it appears weaker then Zebras, but interestingly enough he repeatedly said he didn't see the case on MM between the two wagons he remained consistent with his posts. Know out of the four people on Floyd's wagon he is the most likely to be mafia in my mind but the chance he is mafia is still very slim. He was outspoken that he didn't like the MM case but didn't try to convince others away from it, and followed through with his vote on floyd. Know if MM wasn't mafia this would be quite pingy he doesn't endorse the MM case but doesn't really fight it either he keeps an almost neutral position and if MM was to have flipped civ he could have linked back to his posts to defend himself. This is null though since MM was mafia and being on the same team as MM but not really supporting him would seem odd. He got attention with the way MM flipped but didn't do much to stop MM from flipping besides voting for floyd.

ate*

I also made a post directly after the lynch with my thoughts on FZ here is that one.

sig wrote:I'd like opinions on whether both Floyd/MM could be mafia.
Either way I don't think FZ is mafia if both were mafia it still would avoid less attention to justvote MM if mafia with MM tying it would be bad if he flipped, if Mafia with floyd vote makes no sense, if mafia with both going with MM would have been easier. Unless mafia has a judge role and this was done in an attempt to clear FZ but that is very risky, doesn't make much sense, and highly unlikely for a role.

four players didn't vote I'd say at least one is mafia. I'll post more tomorrow but to burnt out right know. Right know I'm reading both Sorsha and FZ as not scum.

Draconus wrote:Responding to Sig: I voted for you because of something that you said early on. I quoted it and asked you a question about it that you never responded to. I have since let that go because of better pings. I plan on either voting for Eloh or Floyd in the next Day. I need to do more reading to decide for sure, though.

Why does my "Great job" comment re: MM ping you?

Wish I could stick around, but I'm on borrowed time and... internet

That doesn't ping me Ihad a previous ping on you, as I didn't see an explanation for your vote on me, know that you've answered it you're null again. In fact the MM post didn't ping me since you said you'd have voted floyd.

Floyd
Not much here some things I find interesting he doesn't vote MM for preservation but because he posts are baseless.
He self voted after bea day 1 making it so he wasn't the first self voter know his choices for leading lynches were Elohcin or Zebra, Zebra flipped civ, so Elohcin could be potential teammate or neither could be teammate and he wanted to avoid both. With someone already self voting he could have done so in hopes to not garner attention over his vote and for his lack of contribution/input of the leading wagons.
He also asked Zebra why she was so motivated but doesn't answer her questions or really try to convince people not to vote for him.
Which leads me to think this lynch was scum/scum so a lose either way.

@Floyd some questions
What does your item do?
What do you think of Elohcin?
What do you think of MM flip?

Golden

So not much on Golden for his MM lynch, he likes Sorsha argument and dislikes some of MM's behavior.
The only thing that is giving me a small ping is this.

Golden wrote:I felt pretty good about an MM vote anyway, but Sorsha's case makes me feel even more better (unlike Matt, I don't respect epi enough to use proper grammar when he is hosting).

I would also feel pretty good with a Floyd vote, which before the MM thing flared up was probably where my vote would have gone, so I like the way this day seems to be going.

Said he would feel good about either vote leaving his options open, leaving him to vote for either wagon if needed. This is slightly pingy but not that much, he ends the day putting MM further in the lead this could've been done to gain civ credit but I'm not sure.

I already had some suspicion from golden this didn't increase or decrease it. Would rather lynch someone else tomorrow.

@Golden what do you think of Floyd right know would you still consider voting him with MM flip?

Matt

Matt F wrote:

FZ. wrote:The MM case, well, I don't think it's a case. If I'm wrong, I'll be very surprised, but if I'm right and Sorsha is on to him, she'll need a body guard during the night. Lynching him would educate us. Then again, maybe we shouldn't because it wouldn't be fair. And maybe, I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Per the underline, I 100% agree with this. I feel like Sorsha knows something, and if SVS is right in that Sorsha never acts like this as a baddie, then I'm inclined to go that way.

Golden's point about MM not being around (despite him just showing up) even though he's been on the site is interesting too.

I'd rather vote for Turnip today, and I'm still lookin' at Golden and the Zeebs, but I want to see what happens when MM is lynched.

Metalmarsh

Linki - Luke, vote MM! Let's see what happens!

Was the fourth vote on MM this seems like a genuine reason for voting MM. Would not lynch based on this, slight civ read.

Sorsha
Strong town lean.

SVS
She believes sorsha and votes for MM based on this.
WIth MM flipping scum and SVS voting second this looks good for her.

So assuming one mafia team these are my reads, if there are two teams then these aren't people on MM's team.

for the MM voters from most to least suspicious. As off right know I'd only like to lynch Floyd, wouldn't lynch SVS or Sorsha this phase. Would most likely not lynch Golden or Matt today.
1.Floyd
2. Golden
3. Matt
4. SVS
5. Sorsha

The non voters
Banana
Bea
Draconus
Mac

Banana

NANANANANANA_BANANA wrote:Dam it I just missed out on the vote ;-;

NANANANANANA_BANANA wrote:

Golden wrote:no vote from bea, draconus, banana...

I really am ok with this however it goes.

@banana - who would you have voted for?

Honestly I have no idea since I was gonna quickly read over the conversation since I haven't been active. But When I saw that it was the last min to vote I would had voted Metal only because his name was closet ti the top on the poll

So he missed both days of voting.
Know the second post of course he would say MM since MM fliped mafia. The reasoning he gives seems so weak that it appears to be true in fact when I was first reading it I accepted it.
Though. MM flipped mafia this makes him look slightly clean while at the same time not making him look scummy for saying he would lynch MM when he didn't. Banana also missed the vote by such a small margin could he have been in BTSC saw them telling him to vote last minute but came to late?
This all depends on if we believe he really missed the vote and if he would have really voted for MM. Even missing the vote could've been done on purpose better a warning and leaving it to a tie then a suspicious last minute vote.

Could lynch but would prefer not to if he starts posting more, if he doesn't then I'd be fine with lynching him.

Bea
If lynching a non voter she'd be at the bottom. I'm just tone reading her as town.

Draconus

Why did you vote for me what was your ping?
Do you plan to vote for Floyd today?
On MM alone this post makes me think he isn't scum. Still have an ever so small scum ping on him though.

Draconus wrote:Ugh, I'm sorry everyone. I wasn't thinking yesterday when I said I'd be back before the end of the Day period. My new house won't have internet until Wednesday

Great job on getting MM! For the record, I would have voted Floyd if I had internet. I still think he will be a good candidate for the next lynch.

Mac

Didn't vote at all, didn't comment on it. No information regarding the MM lynch.

Out of these four based on MM I'd rather not lynch any today. If I had to pick one though I'd go with Banana

I'll be back later with my reads on the players who voted elsewhere. Top two lynches are
Floyd
Blooper

The thread at the longer version of this post so it is slightly shorter did an ISO of Zebra/Th reason for voting FLoyd

Zebras case was strong imo and earlier in the phase, pushed a Floyd lynch. Looks good

TH has some progression on Floyd he leans for a floyd lynch before he actually votes for floyd.
He has some suspicions of Floyd it appears weaker then Zebras, but interestingly enough he repeatedly said he didn't see the case on MM between the two wagons he remained consistent with his posts. Know out of the four people on Floyd's wagon he is the most likely to be mafia in my mind but the chance he is mafia is still very slim. He was outspoken that he didn't like the MM case but didn't try to convince others away from it, and followed through with his vote on floyd. Know if MM wasn't mafia this would be quite pingy he doesn't endorse the MM case but doesn't really fight it either he keeps an almost neutral position and if MM was to have flipped civ he could have linked back to his posts to defend himself. This is null though since MM was mafia and being on the same team as MM but not really supporting him would seem odd. He got attention with the way MM flipped but didn't do much to stop MM from flipping besides voting for floyd.

What is the likely hood that there are two mafia teams?
From reading Dune the Empire wasn't exactly good but with a smaller game I'm not sure there would be two teams.

I'll read over TH and Zebra I'm confident that FZ isn't on MM team. I doubt Zebra is she was the first vote on Floyd and had strong reasoning for her lynch imo.
TH reasoning isn't great but it isn't horribly for a floyd lynch it doesn't seem like a scum vote to save a teammate and I liked his last post and am inclined to agree.

So House Harkonnen had four people, know three, correc? With so few would they risk voting to save MM just in case he lynched and it put them in the spotlight? I'd think no, instead I'd think one scum joined MM wagon to get civ credit, one didn't vote, and one voted for another person. I'm much more inclined to think this after looking over the Floyd voters none seem that scummy to me the worst would be TH and he doesn't even look bad just worse then the others if that makes sense.

Thoughts on this and the potential two scum team?

I'd still like to see Floyd lynched tomorrow, but would be willing to vote elsewhere. The other players I'd like to lynch are Blooper and if not her then maybe Elohcin.

To a previous point about Blooper not voting Elohcin I saw Elohcin point out she wasn't on the poll so that point is void but I still find Bloopers reasons for voting to be weird, almost like she wanted to vote but avoid both wagons and randomly picked someone on weird reasoning. She didn't mention BK which wouldhave made more sense for her to lynch me but instead pointed to zebra who she also voted for.

I'd like opinions on whether both Floyd/MM could be mafia.
Either way I don't think FZ is mafia if both were mafia it still would avoid less attention to justvote MM if mafia with MM tying it would be bad if he flipped, if Mafia with floyd vote makes no sense, if mafia with both going with MM would have been easier. Unless mafia has a judge role and this was done in an attempt to clear FZ but that is very risky, doesn't make much sense, and highly unlikely for a role.

four players didn't vote I'd say at least one is mafia. I'll post more tomorrow but to burnt out right know. Right know I'm reading both Sorsha and FZ as not scum.

FZ. wrote:I think what I vote now won't really matter. Funny thing is, Floyd isn't trying to defend himself either. What's up with people?


linki: I think Luke is a little lost. I don't think he's bad

I agree them not defending themselves is strange if one flips mafia I have a feeling the other is as well.
it could be I forgot this is his first game.

I don't like Luke's vote at all he completely avoids both wagons and doesn't comment on either.
@Luke thoughts on MM/Floyd?

I'd rather see Floyd lynched today since i'm more certain about him.

For Blooper/Elochin I don't think both are mafia I think only one is, though the fact Blooper didn't follow through with her vote on Elochin is strange.
Out of these two I find Blooper more likely to be mafia, her day 2 vote seems very strange considering that she voted zebra 1.0 as well.

Know for MM he seems to be playing the same as he usually does, this behavior is slightly pingy to me, but as I said this is how he normal posts imo.
I'd rather see Floyd lynched today or Blooper, but a floyd lynch seems more likely.

TheFloyd73 wrote:MM
His most recent posts are so baseless.

I don't like this post especially since Floyd has been so absent this game.

I'll be voting for Floyd this phase

Okay right know I'm most likelty voting for Floyd but could vote for Elohcin or Nijju

FZ what do you think about Nijju and that Elohcin voted for her?

FZ. wrote:Forget what I said Ninju, I fucked up. I thought you voted Sig and not Eloh. My bad

She did vote for me? Eloh voted for her.

I would prefer a Floyd lynch as well, but I could go for an Elohcin lynch as well. I'm not sure about nijuukyugou while her day 1 vote was the same, I didn't like the reasoning and it seemed more as a fly by vote.

I believe Mac's reasons for not posting as much to be true as well.

linki: Nijuuk didn't you vote for zebra as well? I find that as being your main reason to vote for me suspicious she is know placing the first vote on me, but is once again following and latching onto other peoples argument much like she did with zebra.

Not many posts by Floyd I found his self vote and explanation off, I also notice he self voted after bea, if we think he is scum he did this after someone else did it would then seem less suspicious. His explanation for self voting and the example he uses seems very prepared. He is avoiding answering questions and Floyd seems to orbit around talking about his item. He answers Golden when asked but doesn't actually say anything.

TheFloyd73 wrote:

Golden wrote:

TheFloyd73 wrote:So, we're anything things at the warehouse useful?

Was yours?

Poison snooper

and this

TheFloyd73 wrote:

Golden wrote:Yeah, but did the poison snooper help at all?

With what?

I found both of these answers pingy. My thought is he could be scum and is avoiding answering this question, I would see no other reason to not answer.

I could vote for Floyd today.

linki: I see your argument know, I'll consider it though I think at the moment a floyd lynch would be better. What do you think of Floyd and Elohcin?

FZ. wrote:I'm done catching up. I'd like if the following people addressed my questions:

Sig, while you answered about your item, you never answered why you didn't question BR when she was voting for you or during all the time until she died?

By the time I saw her vote the day was over and I was trying to avoid mentioning my item until I used it. I assumed day 2 she would have more pings as well and not vote based on items. So I didn't find it necessary to mention.

@FZ you wantto lynch Loyd? I'm assuming that is Floyd? I will ISO him really quick but if possibly could you provide reasoning for that lynch?
Sorsha why did you vote for MM?

It was were we got the items from, the guild warehouse it was the header for the day 0 poll.

Your husband plays on TS as well, who is it?


That makes sense I can see why she would be willing to vote for me then. Looking back you and BWT know Zebra 2.0 I believe got the windtrap is that helpful to you? Also do you think the mafia could have made their day 1 kill based on items?

sig wrote:
I'm also reading Mac as civ lean right know. I've liked his response to me and his suspicion of me seems genuine.

Draconus wrote:Dropping a vote now on Sig. I have an appointment immediately after work, and he's my only ping right now. It's a really weak ping at that. Sorry bud.

What was that ping?

So my top two suspicions right know are Floyd and Golden,

This would be the post I civ lean on MAc this is the same post were early in it I said Mac seemed scummy. The main reason I changed my opinion on Mac is based around a tone read and that he said I was one of the ones he found suspicious. He wasn't attempting to get me lynched just mentioned his thoughts on me as well as others. He remained consistent with his opinion of Draconus.
It is mostly based around the fact how he mentioned he was suspicious of me, know if he starts picking apart my posts and bandwagons me my opinion will no doubt change, but from his post of four suspects and his tone right know I have him as a civ lean.

I originally put him as scumish since he voted for matt and then zebra defended him. When Zebra gained some votes and closer to the end of the day Mac said he liked Golden's case and would vote for zebra but he didn't as he already voted. This seemed to me like a scums way of trying to distance himself from a teammate with zebra flipping civ this was proven false. Which also helped with civ lean of him.

What is everyone thoughts on Draconus this game? His fly by vote on me seems strange but that partly seems strange since it was on me. With only getting me to two it didn't save a teammate, so I find it very weird.

linki: Chime in on zebra 2.0 or Golden?

I see okay so her item did the same as mine, but our outcome could vary since we could take any item. I would assume she took someones item as well. I'm not sure how that would work since she was NK but from the way it seems to me if she put in the action to take an item then yeah she got one before she was NK'd and when I say an item I mean one from the warehouse.

So she didn't know the outcome but she new the ability perhaps she tried to lynch me since she wanted to be the only one with the item and didn't want me to mention it. Or perhaps she honestly thought it was best for nobody else to have it. While the item was neat I find it strange she voted for me based on it since it doesn't seem that powerful.

linki: Okay so we had the same results then that only means we could each choose an item and would receive it still doesn't clear up why that caused her to vote for me. Since I said my itemmaybe you would like to tell me what yours does Golden?

@Bea let me check and see if I answered it if not I'll do so.

Golden wrote:

Golden wrote:@sig - you have said your item can't kill, but are you able to confirm whether your item has any benefit to you at all? Can you confirm whether or not you if BR got the same outcome you did?

Also, sig...

How about answering the questions?

sig wrote:]
Well my item won't work anymore, I had the ability to take a players item during any night phase. That doesn't seem like an item worth voting me over but she did. I am taking into consideration the mafia killed her based around her item they were unaware of what it was and could have thought it had some sort of killing ability. With her killed night 1 and if I'm lynched today nobody would posses these items. This could be a mafia move to get these items out of play especially if as some thought these had to do with killing.

I answered someone with the above already but I will answer yours as well. I would say it has the potential to be beneficial from what people in game has hinted about the spice it doesn't sound very helpful so it all depends on what item you choose to take. I don't quite understand the second question. I'd assume BK got to use her item but it didn't help her since she was NK'd, thus she didn't actually have time to use her new item she just got one. If that was your question if not I'm not understanding it.

What do youthink about my theory of the mafia trying to get ride of us since they suspected our items could kill and were worried about one of us shooting them? They would have Nk'd Bk first since she is more skilled then me. This is just guesswork on my part. I personal think the BK kill was done since there is no way to trace it back to the killers, but my other theory could play into it. I would say it all depends how serious the mafia team takes the items and how much the items affects the game.