The Syndicate

GG. Ty for game Alison!

Gav with that last minute attempt to save Porsch from the tie tho

I was told RNG earlier.

Lol, dammit Mac, I wasn't looking

CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:48 pm Ugh a tie. Do I break the tie by voting Porscha?

It's cool, just delete Gav after I'm gone.

Hmmm... Death in 20 min.

Legacy: if one of my reads is wrong it's CR.

If my reads are correct, I'd say I'm 60/40 on Gav/Porscha and then Gav/Pao.

CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:42 pm Do I think that we have both wolves on the block?
Hmmm

This is a bad take.

Pao/Porsch are not W/W together.

Like, @MacDougall, right now I have both Gav and Porscha on my wagon. These are both wolves trying to make it to Lylo.

Our dynamic is exactly why scum wouldn't have even bothered to fret at the outcome of sig yesterday. This line where scum Gav votes me and says 'oh well' after going hard tunnel on you, then *NOT* voting you, and then getting you to help him yeet me seems so fucking clear to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:15 pm
Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:25 pm Did I touch the correct part of the doll?
Is it really Falcon-Porsha?
right now I'm thinking Wilgy/MC. Falcon has been basically me in this game. We have had pretty much the same exact thoughts. I'm never going there. Porscha was also fine to me

What makes Porscha fine to you? I'm baffled by this read as well, especially when Porscha keeps using dissuasive tone over a hunting tone.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:10 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:56 pm Alright caught up.

Have some beef with my wagon as Mac and Falcon are town. Mac is still reading me poorly, and it's becoming silly.

Odd that I saw CR advise that I wasn't hunting in spite of not interacting with what content I was able to provide, but I don't think I should go barking up that tree with Gav still around.
You've done nothing for me to townread you. Just saying I'm reading you poorly is wrong given at the point in which I voted you you'd made no effort to solve the game. You can't take issue with Gavial townreading you without reason and then have issue with me scumreading you.

Also, have I done nothing for you to townread me, or are you not bothering? I have presented and narrowed multiple PoE's and that just seems to be ignored by you. You are too hung up on Gav's shitty play day 1 that 'must mean I'm scum.'

I would bet on my solve between Gav/Pao or Gav/Porscha.

It is likely not in you, MC, MightyQ, CR or Falcon.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:10 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:56 pm Alright caught up.

Have some beef with my wagon as Mac and Falcon are town. Mac is still reading me poorly, and it's becoming silly.

Odd that I saw CR advise that I wasn't hunting in spite of not interacting with what content I was able to provide, but I don't think I should go barking up that tree with Gav still around.
You've done nothing for me to townread you. Just saying I'm reading you poorly is wrong given at the point in which I voted you you'd made no effort to solve the game. You can't take issue with Gavial townreading you without reason and then have issue with me scumreading you.

I can and I will. One is TMI and the other is being wrong.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:08 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:21 pm I don't know why you're so against Wilgy flipping man. The dude emoji posted most of d1, has made a single post today shading me and you and is voting you, and has made zero effort to solve the game for the town at all. He'd be dead by now if you weren't flailing around like a madman trying to push anyone but him. Your read on him makes no sense.
Did I shade you? I don't think you are scum with Gav and Gav needs to be resolved.
your first post today was "why aren't we flipping mac/gavial"

Hmm... I see, that was an or statement, not an and statement. Your alignment is deterministic via Gavi.

CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:49 pm I feel a little dirty voting with Porscha who is in my PoE, yet my solve has 1 wolf in Porsch/Wilgy.

And I feel wrong voting with Pao, but I suppose I gotta vote [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine at this point.

Goin poop now. @ me if you need me.

Pao / Gav > Porsha

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:58 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:02 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:51 pm i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking, which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote
Odd.

Why would the loss of Dr Wilgy, if town, hurt a lot? By his own admission he's not been very engaged this game
I did already note that anybody voted off who flips town is bad in my other post, but agree with this sentiment. If i'm being scumleaned b/c I'm not super active or HARD READING SOMEONE INTO OBLIVION (read: being washy, despite listing who I am leaning towards scum...) -- then what does me flipping provide for info? if I get voted off MC, you're going to stop being hard townread by everybody here. pao will be even more sussed, as I have been pushing them all game as a scum read. Crichard would also look more scumread as well - but I'm not sure if even knows why he is voting me b/c he obviously didnt read my posts (neither did pao).
others have said maf wouldn't be voting together day 1, but what's the chance of it day 2? I'm not sure both of their uneducated votes on me mean they are trying to change the vote focus towards me b/c I'm putting pao as my #2 scumread (behind wilgy, who has been a little more towny but i'm still not sold) - and others have already offered me up as a potential scumread (more so than mightyq, who I understand was a little behind in gameplay, but has posted much less in comparison to me - so not sure why I'm being scumread more than him) - plus pao (#2 scumread) listed my potential partners as wilgy which I pointed out is extremely unlikely as they are my #1 scumread, so I know he isn't reading my posts either.
MC, just don't get why you'd put your vote over me than wilgy other than wilgy's vague mostly non-opinionated posts seem to ring the same song of your heart
Alright, so you think Pao and I are teamed, but further I have opinions on this one. Oh pray tell where I have not been opinionated? I believe I've been very clear on who I think is wolf and why. Also what is the purpose of comparing yourself to mightyQ here? I believe you to have pretty decent scum equity with Gavi. MightyQ does not. Where does content play into that?

Also doesn't really reach me when I feel that quite abit of your posting is "there's no way I'm on a team with X" or "well X who is suspicious of me just isn't reading."

FURTHER! because my brain isn't stopping, where you acknowledged that people seem to be having trouble with your wall posts... Like here:

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:24 am
Trying to wrap my head around @Porscha at 630-633.

I've read it like 3 times.

Are we just saying that Mac is town here?
>if it those posts are the walls of text, I literally said I townread mac on his posts towards gav. not sure why my posts seem so unreadable to multiple people here??????

Where is the questioning of lack of understanding VS not reading? I feel like that should have been explored from a town mindset. One is shading the other would be attempt to build a clear and concise message for us to establish how to read you.

And if I missed this in my confusion, please point it out to me.

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:23 pm 5-6h till EoD.
To be honest. Lynching me would yield no result.
You can lynch me tomorrow if Porsha flips town.
I don't feel too good about DrWigly. There seemed to be little to no resistance at all which I don't like.
Scum! falcon might be saving his teammate Porsha. Regardless of her POE. Mafia only needs 2 ML, 3 NK to win.

Little to no resistance for what?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:02 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:51 pm i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking, which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote
Odd.

Why would the loss of Dr Wilgy, if town, hurt a lot? By his own admission he's not been very engaged this game
I did already note that anybody voted off who flips town is bad in my other post, but agree with this sentiment. If i'm being scumleaned b/c I'm not super active or HARD READING SOMEONE INTO OBLIVION (read: being washy, despite listing who I am leaning towards scum...) -- then what does me flipping provide for info? if I get voted off MC, you're going to stop being hard townread by everybody here. pao will be even more sussed, as I have been pushing them all game as a scum read. Crichard would also look more scumread as well - but I'm not sure if even knows why he is voting me b/c he obviously didnt read my posts (neither did pao).
others have said maf wouldn't be voting together day 1, but what's the chance of it day 2? I'm not sure both of their uneducated votes on me mean they are trying to change the vote focus towards me b/c I'm putting pao as my #2 scumread (behind wilgy, who has been a little more towny but i'm still not sold) - and others have already offered me up as a potential scumread (more so than mightyq, who I understand was a little behind in gameplay, but has posted much less in comparison to me - so not sure why I'm being scumread more than him) - plus pao (#2 scumread) listed my potential partners as wilgy which I pointed out is extremely unlikely as they are my #1 scumread, so I know he isn't reading my posts either.
MC, just don't get why you'd put your vote over me than wilgy other than wilgy's vague mostly non-opinionated posts seem to ring the same song of your heart

Alright, so you think Pao and I are teamed, but further I have opinions on this one. Oh pray tell where I have not been opinionated? I believe I've been very clear on who I think is wolf and why. Also what is the purpose of comparing yourself to mightyQ here? I believe you to have pretty decent scum equity with Gavi. MightyQ does not. Where does content play into that?

Also doesn't really reach me when I feel that quite abit of your posting is "there's no way I'm on a team with X" or "well X who is suspicious of me just isn't reading."

@Porscha so I've seen you express sus of Pao and I? Do you think we are teamed? If not, who is Pao's teammate, who is mine?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:24 pm Trying to wrap my head around @Porscha at 630-633.

I've read it like 3 times.

Are we just saying that Mac is town here?
>if it those posts are the walls of text, I literally said I townread mac on his posts towards gav. not sure why my posts seem so unreadable to multiple people here??????

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:40 pm Porsha feels super washy.
>again, please read my posts where someone else already accused me of this, and I addressed it. if you would like to ask me a specific question regarding my responses, please do that!!!

Slow your roll my friend, I was catching up and responding as I went.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:02 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:51 pm i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking, which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote
Odd.

Why would the loss of Dr Wilgy, if town, hurt a lot? By his own admission he's not been very engaged this game

As disengaged as I feel, oddly enough I have the 4th most posts and accidentally skipped my 69th post stop

#hyperwilgy

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:56 pm Alright caught up.

Have some beef with my wagon as Mac and Falcon are town. Mac is still reading me poorly, and it's becoming silly.

Odd that I saw CR advise that I wasn't hunting in spite of not interacting with what content I was able to provide, but I don't think I should go barking up that tree with Gav still around.
Dropping the me and Mac theatre read eh?

Not really sure what you're referring to here.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:19 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:24 pm Trying to wrap my head around @Porscha at 630-633.

I've read it like 3 times.

Are we just saying that Mac is town here?
Have you not noticed? Lol.

??

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:18 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:12 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:02 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:31 am Paopan can be town if Porscha/MightyQ have at least one wolf, as proposing to wagon them feels unaligned from where I'm at.
This makes sense.
Then why aren't you voting Porscha?
I would vote Porscha if I didn't think there were more wolfy players. I'm pretty much sold on Gav or Pao being wolf though, flipping Pao would resolve that 50/50, and maybe if we have more time post flip we can clear out the MightyQ/Porscha 50/50.

Halfway with my catchup and I'm still leaning into Gav/Porscha or MightyQ. IF I am incorrect and it's Pao, then It's not Porscha or Mighty Q (and that's mostly with what I take away from CR's post).
OMG here we go again.
Gotta be a wolf on the day 1 ML wagon right?

Very likely yes.

Man, really no one here to bounce around with while I'm active.

Real Wilgy hours.

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:15 pm Here' my top 3 POV atm. (in order)

1. DrWig + Porsha
2. falcon + CRich
3. MC + Gav

Come one, Come all, be amazed at my salad. You see 6 names to come from my hat. None of these were repeated because I have no opinions on who is more likely to be scum!

Poe:
Gav
Porsha
Pao

Taking MightyQ off my Poe for now. I pondered on the post I quoted of theirs jsut a moment ago, and I can see both a civ voice and an unaligned with Gav voice. Q is also likely unaligned with Pao.

While I didn't really see anything indicating, what's the viability of Pao/CR? pondering if I'm incorrect on someone, as to why it's likely CR?

Alright caught up.

Have some beef with my wagon as Mac and Falcon are town. Mac is still reading me poorly, and it's becoming silly.

Odd that I saw CR advise that I wasn't hunting in spite of not interacting with what content I was able to provide, but I don't think I should go barking up that tree with Gav still around.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:21 am I can see Falcon with you.
I can see Falcon with Mac.
I can see Falcon with Wilgy
I can see Falcon with MightyQ
I can see Falcon with Miss Caro
I can see Falcon with Por

The only one I can’t see them with is basically Paopan, same with you.
I can see Paopan and Mac but if that’s the case they are playing super pro town together and I doubt wolves play it like that.

Ok, you can see Falcon with anyone. Great, there's like 4 low posters. WHY do you see Falcon with X?

CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 1:19 am Something has occurred to me.
Has Porscha ever interacted with Wilgy in any notable fashion?
I should check that out.

Townleaned Mac because of interactions with me I think?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:21 pm I don't know why you're so against Wilgy flipping man. The dude emoji posted most of d1, has made a single post today shading me and you and is voting you, and has made zero effort to solve the game for the town at all. He'd be dead by now if you weren't flailing around like a madman trying to push anyone but him. Your read on him makes no sense.

Did I shade you? I don't think you are scum with Gav and Gav needs to be resolved.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:08 pm I don't think Wilgy and Crichard make sense as a team. I think they are very likely t/w in some way.

So you'd say CR and I are a 50/50 and why?

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:00 pm DrWigly. Stop lurking if you're town smh.

Life allows for burst play rn. I wish I could be a present factor more often.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:21 pm @DrWilgy
Really bro? Place your vote on me and dip?

I asked for your read on CRichard man.

Also FYI, CRichard and Wilgy is a probable team because Wilgy never voted their yesterday at all.

I'm pretty sure I did.

I early scumleaned CR, realized that was incorrect, but only after the sig flip.

MightyQ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:49 pm Tbh one of the reasons I'm not doing much is because I don't know what to do. I ain't got a clue on what to do because there's no way to do anything in this game other than guess and check. The mafia could thereotically be lying their asses off and nobody can prove them otherwise unless they slip, which is more often than not easy to catch but seeing as nobody here has then I presume the mafia know what they're doing. That and people can't confirm themselves as town because there's no other roles and therefore no proof. Now, I don't know who's great at the game and who's not, but generally the townies are desperate while the mafia members aren't. So I'd say Gav is my best bet, that or Mac as well.

There's me chipping in my thoughts for once in a lifetime

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:48 pm @DrWilgy
What’s your read on CRichard?

Town

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:47 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:27 pm Hmm... I'm in the lead again. Why aren't we yeeting Mac/Gav?

Catching up again.
Because I’m town?

no

Porsha feels super washy.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:21 am
MightyQ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:15 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:24 am
MightyQ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:43 am Could I get a TL;DR of what happened? Currently it looks like people pointing fingers at each other for shits and giggld.
Sig flipped town at EoD1. Lime Coke died N1.
I need to actually start paying more attention. I didn't even realise it was day 2
I’ll tell you Mighty that the Sig ML was all me and I feel like shit doing it and I should have stayed on Richard.
Paopan and Wilgy aren’t to blame i basically forced them there.

Bullshit on Pao being forced.

MightyQ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:16 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:03 pm
MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:53 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:23 pm
MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:07 pm Just like sex, vanillia is the best way to play mafia

Change my mind
That's nice, where's your head at on everyone who has posted so far?
I said this the first game I was in and I'll say it again. There's literally no solid evidence out there right now for anyone. I've been at school most of today and am only now really even paying attention. Also last game I was voted out for having this opinon, so go kill me for all I care. My point is town members are expendable, but how you expend them is important.

Youch now that I think about this you probably already know that. I'm tired af rn.
Bad post. Wolfy.

"Kill me I don't care, I'm town" would've required less time typing and had the same wifom for wifom sake.
Oh, sorry, my bad. I literally do not have time for this stuff rn

Fine, I get it, I've put like 4 hours into this thread and that's it.

But your post was so very dramatic. Why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:08 am and now I can't and won't scumread or vote porscha... this game is an omega clusterfuck

Can you explain?

Trying to wrap my head around @Porscha at 630-633.

I've read it like 3 times.

Are we just saying that Mac is town here?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:10 am in this game either wilgy is mafia or the game is lost so here I am

gg then.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:29 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:25 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:47 am Question: if Wilgy is mafia, does Paopan bus them in this gamestate?
Question: Do both wolves sheep me in that way.

Answer: No they do that. I clearly forced Paopan to vote or at least convinced them to vote Sig and Wilgy needed to save themselves.
Wilgy's vote I can definitely understand as being self pres as either alignment.
Pao's alignment feels tied to Wilgy at least where I'm at, seeing as they could have put the deciding vote on Wilgy over Sig.

What about Gav?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:02 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:31 am Paopan can be town if Porscha/MightyQ have at least one wolf, as proposing to wagon them feels unaligned from where I'm at.
This makes sense.
Then why aren't you voting Porscha?

I would vote Porscha if I didn't think there were more wolfy players. I'm pretty much sold on Gav or Pao being wolf though, flipping Pao would resolve that 50/50, and maybe if we have more time post flip we can clear out the MightyQ/Porscha 50/50.

Halfway with my catchup and I'm still leaning into Gav/Porscha or MightyQ. IF I am incorrect and it's Pao, then It's not Porscha or Mighty Q (and that's mostly with what I take away from CR's post).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:32 am I am absolutely ready and willing to just flip Gavial here because his presence is making it literally impossible for me to functionally contribute to the town wincon.

Do it

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:31 am Paopan can be town if Porscha/MightyQ have at least one wolf, as proposing to wagon them feels unaligned from where I'm at.

This makes sense.

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:25 am I really do stuck at the early stages of the game. But I'm seriously considering starting a new train on Porsha and MightyQ even though it's soo bad.

Hello pot meet kettle.

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:15 am I'm imagining a night chat where they would want to kill LC and would try for a mislynch Gavial.
In any case, I don't see two mafias working under a wolfpack condition on day 1.

The only people who would hugely benefit from the n1 kill LC is Mac, Crich, falcon, DrWigly, or MightyQ

This does not inspire confidence in my Gav read over you.

You listed more than half of the remaining players.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:15 am Hmm nah. They've tried too hard to cheat their way to get townreads.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

You referring to me here? Explain this.

At this point in my catchup, everyone seems to be giving Gav this 'misguided town' thing. I don't get it.

Gav should have had no reason to TR me early like he did and the Sig wagon was dumb. I'd like to resolve Wagon à la Sig, via Pao or Gav today. While I don't think it's Pao, it's better than Porsche or I.

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