Akemi Homura Mafia [Town Win]

[MacDougall]

@lime coke please swap positions with me

[CRichard]

Paopan can be town if Porscha/MightyQ have at least one wolf, as proposing to wagon them feels unaligned from where I'm at.

[MacDougall]

This is me right now.

I am absolutely ready and willing to just flip Gavial here because his presence is making it literally impossible for me to functionally contribute to the town wincon.

If Gavial can somehow stop relentlessly tunneling me for god awful reasons that would be sensational.

[MacDougall]

@Paopan you did not comment on my response to you trying to make out like Lime Coke was scumreading me. Why?

[CRichard]

Question: if Wilgy is mafia, does Paopan bus them in this gamestate?

[Paopan]

@Paopan you did not comment on my response to you trying to make out like Lime Coke was scumreading me. Why?

Bad interface.
I ISOed LC and why tf is the first sentence from a "quote" and not what he actually said. lol

[Paopan]

I am okay to vote for one of the 4 persons I have mentioned today.
Stop at AtE on Gavial Mac and start to think logically. Thanks.

[CRichard]

That being said. I'm running short on who would be wolf with Paopan.
It would have to be out of Wilgy, Falcon and mayyybe Gav.
Though I'm leaning on Gav's side of Paopan interaction as unaligned too.
Which means Paopan is only ever a wolf if Wilgy or Falcon is a wolf.
Hmmm

[CRichard]

Is it me or does Mac not seem to be the sort who would be tilted by Gav if they were Mafia?
I think that they wouldn't be so tilted in thread if they were mafia.

[Paopan]

Falcon by far literally scumread me all game and you align me with him? Ridic.

[CRichard]

Falcon by far literally scumread me all game and you align me with him? Ridic.

It's a tinfoil and admittedly, I have them a town read.

[Gavial]

Paopan Gav is voting you today after insisting you were town earlier. Your comments on that?

Where?

I voted you because Mac was calling you confirmed scum and I wanted to smite him in the face.
Now he’s trying to turn you against me, classic scum deception right there!

IT WAS FUCKING CRICHARD THAT SAID THAT YOU ABSOLUTE IDIOT

Paopan is mafia

The other one is probably between Wilgy and Gavial

But it can be Crichard.

This is the solve.

HEY GUYS LOOK.

I AM A FUCKING IDIOT.
MAC IS TOTALLY NOT PURPOSELY TRYING TO DISCREDIT ME!

[Gavial]

Okay okay... chill a bit. Let's see our options.
What would we gain if we get rid of either Gavial or DrWigly today?

Gavial would be out of the game which would benefit my mental health among many other things.

DrWilgy would provide information about the day 1 wagons.

CRichard won’t of course.
Mac likes CRichard too much.

[Gavial]

Like I can’t tell who had more of a fake scum read on CRichard during SoD1 You or Falcon lol.

[Gavial]

Paopan Gav is voting you today after insisting you were town earlier. Your comments on that?

Paopan Gav is voting you today after insisting you were town earlier. Your comments on that?

Where?

I voted you because Mac was calling you confirmed scum and I wanted to smite him in the face.
Now he’s trying to turn you against me, classic scum deception right there!

This however I mixed up CRichard and Mac and I apologies.

But I’ll say this.
CRichard did you even look why? Did you see I wanted to shove in Mac’s face his solve is completely wrong(

[Gavial]

I know I can be wrong, but I also know I can evaluate to get the correct result before it’s too late.


All of the time.

[CRichard]

Paopan Gav is voting you today after insisting you were town earlier. Your comments on that?

Paopan Gav is voting you today after insisting you were town earlier. Your comments on that?

Where?

I voted you because Mac was calling you confirmed scum and I wanted to smite him in the face.
Now he’s trying to turn you against me, classic scum deception right there!

This however I mixed up CRichard and Mac and I apologies.

But I’ll say this.
CRichard did you even look why? Did you see I wanted to shove in Mac’s face his solve is completely wrong(

You wanted to show up Mac in case Paopan flips town. Though I have to wonder why you'd vote on Paopan if you're sure they're town.
Still, I have Paopan as unaligned with everyone except Wilgy.

[Gavial]

I really do stuck at the early stages of the game. But I'm seriously considering starting a new train on Porsha and MightyQ even though it's soo bad.

Oh my fuck finally someone actually says something townie. Thank Christ.

You know what Mac I’m looking at you voting one of them and quote honestly.
You finally are doing something town indicative, good for you!

Step in the right direction!

Now sell me on it and show me why your not wolf.

[Gavial]

Was it so hard Mac to realize votes on you and day 1 ML wagons aren’t always scum indicate?

Hmmmm

[Gavial]

Your on the right track Mac, I’d like to see where this goes.

[Gavial]

If not you, I think CRichard or Falcon are good options for yeet for today but clearly you are eyeballing them with love and affection so I don’t think I’ll be able to sell you on either of them.

[Gavial]

Question: if Wilgy is mafia, does Paopan bus them in this gamestate?

Question: Do both wolves sheep me in that way.

Answer: No they do that. I clearly forced Paopan to vote or at least convinced them to vote Sig and Wilgy needed to save themselves.

[Gavial]

I am okay to vote for one of the 4 persons I have mentioned today.
Stop at AtE on Gavial Mac and start to think logically. Thanks.

This has town written all over it.

I’ll say it and say it again, Paopan is Obvious Town.
Glad Mac see’s this, now let’s see if Mac is actually town.



Can Mac Town Tell? Is Mac Town? We will see.

[Gavial]

Is it me or does Mac not seem to be the sort who would be tilted by Gav if they were Mafia?
I think that they wouldn't be so tilted in thread if they were mafia.

I’m not sure.
Their AtE is pretty genuine but I’ve also never tunnelled Mac before so IDK.

[CRichard]

Question: if Wilgy is mafia, does Paopan bus them in this gamestate?

Question: Do both wolves sheep me in that way.

Answer: No they do that. I clearly forced Paopan to vote or at least convinced them to vote Sig and Wilgy needed to save themselves.

Wilgy's vote I can definitely understand as being self pres as either alignment.
Pao's alignment feels tied to Wilgy at least where I'm at, seeing as they could have put the deciding vote on Wilgy over Sig.

[Gavial]

Question: if Wilgy is mafia, does Paopan bus them in this gamestate?

Question: Do both wolves sheep me in that way.

Answer: No they do that. I clearly forced Paopan to vote or at least convinced them to vote Sig and Wilgy needed to save themselves.

Wilgy's vote I can definitely understand as being self pres as either alignment.
Pao's alignment feels tied to Wilgy at least where I'm at, seeing as they could have put the deciding vote on Wilgy over Sig.

Orrrrrrrr
Stay on you?
Lol. Your Welcome?

[Gavial]

GN, cya in the morning everyone!

[Gavial]

@MacDougall
I’ll tell you what.
I’m not gonna tunnel you for the rest of the day.
I’m not gonna push on you
I’m gonna watch you to see if your town
I’m gonna be looking to see if you can do more town indicative things

I’ll warn you though and say one thing, if your top wagon I will vote you but only then will I vote you today.

Anyway, GN for reals this time

[Porscha]

gav, in this interaction,

"Mac said:
“At multiple times during day 1 you had viable reasons to go with me and scumread Wilgy but you stopped short and instead just handled him with kid gloves? Why?”

My Response:
Because you literally called both people who voted you is scum!! That’s why!
I had no reasons to go with you, I didn’t see anything wolfy about Wilgy but I did see wolfy things regarding you.
Why would I scum read someone that shouldn’t be scum read? Your read is bad, it’s basically “PL due to emoji posting” which is wrong."

I agree with mac here. while wilgy's emoji posting may not prove him to be wolf, it does literally nothing to help town. it's neutral at best, covering wolf behavior at worst. I also wanted to vote wilgy off but didn't get to it before day ended.


In general, I'd like to say I hard read mac as town right now. yeah I don't have that previous game play with him, but I really respect his answers in his master post towards you. I don't understand how you think paopan is CONFIRMED town - doesn't make sense. he voted with you day 1 - so what? if pao was trying to get wilgy out of day 1 vote, then yeah of course he's gonna happen to vote with you. but I haven't seen you give any other single reason pao should be considered a hard town read. he hardly adds anything worthwhile and I don't view the post that you are reading as a "town slip" as a town slip. And maybe this next reason is just showing my naivety for this game style, but wouldn't any town be *ACTIVELY TRYING* to prove themselves town in a no power game?
I was specifically told to try and make myself obvious town, so why would pao be "slipping" as town? Are you *SURE* you aren't reading a basic wolf tactic of trying to appear town as him being real town? I don't know - not adding up for me here. MightyQ isn't actively posting so i'm not sure what to make of them. but I'm also still not sold on wilgy. In fact, it sounds like multiple of us are still on board for flipping wilgy - cuz if he flips wolf, we can likely deduce from day 1 wagon voting last minute who would be wolf there. doesn't seem like a bad play to me. I appreciated more of what wilgy said once he actually started speaking words, like a town player should, but I'm absolutely not sold on him being a hard town read here. I'm just not convinced.

[Porscha]

Because ultimately, whether wilgy is town or wolf, he is going to vote in a way to ensure he doesn't get voted off the island. so while his excuse makes sense - it would be the same move whether he was rightfully town, or got caught early wolf.

I also understood your concern that a strong player might fill into a wolf role, but I do agree with the couple others who were outspoken against that play when we had more sus players who - no matter what they flipped - would have provided better info than the 0 poster. I didn't see an explanation you provided for this that made me agree with your decision. which is why I understand that you/pao could easily be partnered with wilgy to save him from the day 1 vote. Not sold on any explanation you've provided for this.

[Porscha]

So if you'd consider that wilgy is wolf and either you, gav, or pao, are the second wolf - You should be hard pushing pao to prove himself town. if I were you in that kind of position, that's what I would do. I wouldn't be considering pao to be your townie best friend if you / him are accused of being second wolf to save wilgy. If you know you are town... then what does that make the other guy? Why aren't you pushing the other guy to prove that you are town against this theory?

[Porscha]

And honestly, even if I'm getting played by mac, I don't care right now. I'm really sold on his responses to you based on the current game situation. I'm not seeing cohesive answers to these accusations from you raised by mac and others.

[Porscha]

I am okay to vote for one of the 4 persons I have mentioned today.
Stop at AtE on Gavial Mac and start to think logically. Thanks.

This has town written all over it.

I’ll say it and say it again, Paopan is Obvious Town.
Glad Mac see’s this, now let’s see if Mac is actually town.



Can Mac Town Tell? Is Mac Town? We will see.

sorry, this was posted while I was writing my longer response earlier.

But again I'd like to say, *HOW* is this a hard read town response??? "hurr durr i'm down to vote one of the people I talked about today, okay bye" and you're just drooling all over it????? why?????????????

[MacDougall]

and now I can't and won't scumread or vote porscha... this game is an omega clusterfuck

[MacDougall]

in this game either wilgy is mafia or the game is lost so here I am

[MacDougall]

bestow upon me the power to control the chaos of Seth almighty nanook lest I fail to the fragility of the mafia panic

[MacDougall]

@CRichard my entire life is in the nape of ye being town plz thine acquire the capacity to overcome thy paranoia and lead me from the garden of hating gavials play

[MacDougall]

if thine is falling afoul of thou villainous gavial allow me to channel the powers of my fellow town so that they may removeth such sinister presence from my perview and lead me into the promised land amen

[Miss Carousel]

and now I can't and won't scumread or vote porscha... this game is an omega clusterfuck

hard disagree lol

[MacDougall]

and now I can't and won't scumread or vote porscha... this game is an omega clusterfuck

hard disagree lol

help... me

[MacDougall]

miss Carousel is thine beacon to taketh me into the nape of the afterworld bestowed in the glory of their victory amen

[Miss Carousel]

gav, in this interaction,

"Mac said:
“At multiple times during day 1 you had viable reasons to go with me and scumread Wilgy but you stopped short and instead just handled him with kid gloves? Why?”

My Response:
Because you literally called both people who voted you is scum!! That’s why!
I had no reasons to go with you, I didn’t see anything wolfy about Wilgy but I did see wolfy things regarding you.
Why would I scum read someone that shouldn’t be scum read? Your read is bad, it’s basically “PL due to emoji posting” which is wrong."

I agree with mac here. while wilgy's emoji posting may not prove him to be wolf, it does literally nothing to help town. it's neutral at best, covering wolf behavior at worst. I also wanted to vote wilgy off but didn't get to it before day ended.


In general, I'd like to say I hard read mac as town right now. yeah I don't have that previous game play with him, but I really respect his answers in his master post towards you. I don't understand how you think paopan is CONFIRMED town - doesn't make sense. he voted with you day 1 - so what? if pao was trying to get wilgy out of day 1 vote, then yeah of course he's gonna happen to vote with you. but I haven't seen you give any other single reason pao should be considered a hard town read. he hardly adds anything worthwhile and I don't view the post that you are reading as a "town slip" as a town slip. And maybe this next reason is just showing my naivety for this game style, but wouldn't any town be *ACTIVELY TRYING* to prove themselves town in a no power game?
I was specifically told to try and make myself obvious town, so why would pao be "slipping" as town? Are you *SURE* you aren't reading a basic wolf tactic of trying to appear town as him being real town? I don't know - not adding up for me here. MightyQ isn't actively posting so i'm not sure what to make of them. but I'm also still not sold on wilgy. In fact, it sounds like multiple of us are still on board for flipping wilgy - cuz if he flips wolf, we can likely deduce from day 1 wagon voting last minute who would be wolf there. doesn't seem like a bad play to me. I appreciated more of what wilgy said once he actually started speaking words, like a town player should, but I'm absolutely not sold on him being a hard town read here. I'm just not convinced.

don't think there's a healthy and necessary level of suspicion in this post for someone considering gav's alignment. reads like porscha knows gav is town and is criticizing a read not actually evaluating

[Miss Carousel]

Because ultimately, whether wilgy is town or wolf, he is going to vote in a way to ensure he doesn't get voted off the island. so while his excuse makes sense - it would be the same move whether he was rightfully town, or got caught early wolf.

I also understood your concern that a strong player might fill into a wolf role, but I do agree with the couple others who were outspoken against that play when we had more sus players who - no matter what they flipped - would have provided better info than the 0 poster. I didn't see an explanation you provided for this that made me agree with your decision. which is why I understand that you/pao could easily be partnered with wilgy to save him from the day 1 vote. Not sold on any explanation you've provided for this.

extremely hedgy post and again just kinda talking to gav. not actually pushing him in any way

[MacDougall]

I will sheep you

[MacDougall]

full disclosure I'm super drunk

[Miss Carousel]

full disclosure I'm super drunk

are you a wolf if you're a wolf you legally have to tell me

[MacDougall]

I'm town and I wish I wasn't

[MacDougall]

the one recent game in which if I randed mafia I'd Coast

[MacDougall]

reeeee

[MacDougall]

I do wanna not post much here d2 anyway tho cuz I want ppl who aren't me to resolve gavial