The Syndicate

so my real question, if we lynch you DOES ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN YOU DIE?

also: if we lynch you, DO you die?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:32 pm Like, if Sig gets on the site again. Then he can submit the scum nightkill tonight, after I get lynched.

No townies would die immediately upon my lynch.

why are you completely ruling out the possibility nijuu could be the last scum?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:28 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:22 pm if we lynch you, will any townies die? Y/N?

Emphatic N

Unless Sig comes back

comes back from where. what. huh.

Any 3P should be aligning themselves to us this far in with only one scum left; the fact he's chosen not to, means he can't be 100% trusted imo.

remember, the numbers are still way in our favor. Being impulsive and irrational costs townies games.

I think his role is something like that and Marmot has weird exceptions (like night actions go through even if the person dies). So that's safe to assume if speed kills the last mafia SOMEHOW through his lynching, the game ends and we win, and the lynch doesn't go through or something.

But do we want speed to take all the glory this late into the game? not me. I'd rather we do it ourselves the good old fashioned way. He seems so desperate for it NOW. Let's get back to him later if we need it.

if we lynch you, will any townies die? Y/N?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:19 pm if he had that type of role..... if everyone he's planted bombs on died at his lynching then we'd still win as long as one of the bombholders is the mafia right?

yes.

honestly, I'd rather lynch sig and nijuu ourselves and not risk having others die in any speedchuck shenanigans.

or if speed manages to bomb the last member(s) of either party, he wins with the leading party when they lynch him and the people he's placed targets on die? He hasn't placed a bomb on nijuu, only on sig (and maybe others) for now.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:10 pm speedchuck's reasons for how his death could benefit us are not trustworthy. They mostly contradict themselves, and would not actually create a compelling reason for us to kill him for our own benefit.

Lynching Speedchuck is a gamble, if he dies and achieves a personal wincon then that's fine, the best possible outcome for a mafia game is the one that creates the most winning banners.

The possibility of his wincon preventing us from achieving our wincon is the real risk.

perhaps speed, as the 3P I'm assuming here, has a role where he plants bombs on people and can diffuse them when lynched? He's planted them on sig at least. He gets lynched, takes sig with him (possible last scum) and wins the game for us?

I'm trying to see why he was opposed to a sig lynch. It had to be either him or nijuu.

saving you and ensuring we live a happily ever after together?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:47 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:41 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:31 pm speed do you think sig and Nijuu are actually unlikely to be the final mafia for any reason?

I am 99.9% certain that the final mafia is among those two.

does it hurt your position in any way if we lynch the final scum?

Imagine that I am a man lying on the ground. One of my arms is missing. I am bleeding from several gunshot wounds. With a few days of selfless effort, you could save me and we could live this life together. Or you could shoot me in the head and everything would end.

You are, in a way, proposing the head shot. It would hurt, yes. But it would be better than just leaving me to die one day later.

I don't know if that makes any sense to anyone but me.

so you're saying if we lynch you today, rather than shooting you in the head and ending everything by lynching either nijuu or sig, we'd be saving you?

maybe the 3P has a sort of cop role so he can try and find out who's who and decide better how to win the game by aligning himse;f with the party more likely to win, or at least remaining neutral so he can live till the end.

I've never played with a jester. What does the jester role involve? are they self aligned or town-aligned?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:00 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:57 pm it still freaks me out how in your list of player reads you wrote "GOOD" in front of Wilgy and Eloh and only Wily and Eloh--care to explain that now??

Man, that's a bad indicator. You should probably lynch me.

I mean you wrote stuff about literally everyone else. I don't mean you named them GOOD as in townies and that's what's weird. Why did you specifically choose not to write about them?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:55 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:51 pm If you are who you're implying you are, my case was actually on point; you're not town.

Your case was built on interactions with my 'scummates.' I am not aligned with Eloh, Wilgy, JJJ, and (probably) Sig.

but you played the game without a solid sense of direction, so of course an ISO will try to build a case against you and show out your inconsistencies in relation to everything else (I paid more attention to your individual iso than what teammates said about you although it still freaks me out how in your list of player reads you wrote "GOOD" in front of Wilgy and Eloh and only Wily and Eloh--care to explain that now??). I guess you played in a way to make sure you wouldn't get NKd, and also try not to get lynched. It's hard. I applaud you.

I really did feel bad. I'm sorry. I couldn't sleep till I made sure you weren't legit upset with me. If you are 3P tho, it explains my mixed feelings of unease about you.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:52 pm this is probably the most effort that's ever been put into a lynch that will likely end in killing an inactive

uhhhhh no. remember when everyone lynched mesk (and it was between dom and mesk)? that was the most effort--we'd had a 12-day day 1 and an inactive was lynched.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:50 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:49 pm Why is Sig not being lynched by 100% of the people?

I wanted to go inactive this day but now you people will make me have to catch up...

I'll catch you up.

I'm trying to get lynched so that I can roleflip.
Dunya has built a case on Niju. If it's anything like her case on me it's probably a ton of confirmation bias. (kidding)

If you are who you're implying you are, my case was actually on point; you're not town.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:49 pm Why is Sig not being lynched by 100% of the people?

I wanted to go inactive this day but now you people will make me have to catch up...

why are you trying to go inactive? do you want sloonei to come back from his grave and shake you?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:47 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:41 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:31 pm speed do you think sig and Nijuu are actually unlikely to be the final mafia for any reason?

I am 99.9% certain that the final mafia is among those two.

does it hurt your position in any way if we lynch the final scum?

Imagine that I am a man lying on the ground. One of my arms is missing. I am bleeding from several gunshot wounds. With a few days of selfless effort, you could save me and we could live this life together. Or you could shoot me in the head and everything would end.

You are, in a way, proposing the head shot. It would hurt, yes. But it would be better than just leaving me to die one day later.

I don't know if that makes any sense to anyone but me.

linki: I had nothing to do with the mafia kill or lack thereof last night.

why did you argue my point yesterday when I proposed to lynch you ahead of nijuu or sig then? That's what I don't get.

Why did you go for the emotional plea of "please, please lynch me so I can see dunya's reaction"

What is in my reaction for you to see?

4 failed night kills should tell you that's always an option in this game.

crap, I missed my 666 post. RIP dream of ending the game with the devil.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:41 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:36 pm we could all just not vote today. I mean what happens if we do that? try to see what happens tomorrow night. I doubt nijuu will read all this thread so we just have to make a shit load of posts and throw wild accusations everywhere and see if she takes the bait

If you're going to waste a day, at least waste it on lynching me.

I wasn't actually being serious with that suggestion.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:41 pm we should end this game in the same way we played it, with wild end of day lynch trains out of nowhere

well eod today ends at 8am my time so I can be up at 7am I guess and see it through....

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:34 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:31 pm speed do you think sig and Nijuu are actually unlikely to be the final mafia for any reason?

I am 99.9% certain that the final mafia is among those two.

does it hurt your position in any way if we lynch the final scum?

Kyle - why nijuu?? Did you see what I was seeing?

or we can try and create a tie between sig and nijuu and leave it up to fate? since we all voted there's no "no vote" option in the poll anymore. -_-

we could all just not vote today. I mean what happens if we do that? try to see what happens tomorrow night. I doubt nijuu will read all this thread so we just have to make a shit load of posts and throw wild accusations everywhere and see if she takes the bait

I think it's possible nijuu targeted the wrong person last night. When she was here, she was reading me and speedchuck go back and forth mostly. I think she targeted one of us.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:28 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:26 pm can we lynch nijuu today and sig tomorrow? I mean he's inactive so he can't hurt us.

Neither can Sig, apparently.

linki: There are at least 7 townies left, @Kylemii. I'm not that powerful.

what do you mean? I was talking about sig. nijuu can hurt us cos she's not inactive.

I notice speed saying "you" should probably just lynch sig and win. He isn't a part of our team.

can we lynch nijuu today and sig tomorrow? I mean he's inactive so he can't hurt us.

what if our win conditions is that Olympus can stay alive, but his win condition is if he does something specific he wins the whole game and it's End Game for us? o.O

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:00 pm speedchuck if we vote for you can you gaurantee to me that it won't just be some boring disappointing bullshit and something cool will happen instead?

dude I'm not sure anymore. I think he's aligned himself with the scum if he's Olympus and something bad will happen to us if we lynch him now. I'm not trusting him anymore.

is speed Pico de Orizaba? but like, we won't be able to get sig or maybe nijuu to vote for you so who are you gonna take out with you? I'm not gonna test that theory.

is speed trying to get us to lynch him and then he survives so he proves his towniness?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:52 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:51 pm Speedchuck, are you against a sig Lynch?

Today? Yes.

Would it still be "too late" if we lynch nijuu and she's the last scum for whatever the hell we would be too late for?

[mention]nutella[/mention] - what do you think of everything. sig or nijuu or speedchuck?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:51 pm Speedchuck, are you against a sig Lynch?

You said you wanted to do this alphabetically. N comes before S.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:45 pm Damn it speed, fine but you owe me one.

You're a freakin workhorse dunya

lynch nijuu please. for all my efforts and time.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:44 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:43 pm I really just don't understand how it would benefit anyone?

Only 2 ways to find out.

1. lynch me
2. end the game I guess that works too but then it's too late

you're being very cryptic. We outnumber scum 8 to 1 if we don't count Olympus whoever he may be *im looking at you LC*

There is no "it's too late". We have time, and if this game has taught us anything, it's extra time has made us way more united and effective as a Town-team.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:41 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:40 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:32 pm I was going to vote for you until you changed your mind and decided you wanted to die again. :/

That doesn't make any sense.

what's the fun in killing someone who wants to die

We lynch for reasons in this game, not for fun.

the fact you WANT to be lynched is scary now. I feel like you want to get lynched so you can take me out with you cos you're upset about my case on you yesterday.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:40 pm I mean, I understand. This game is over 3 weeks long now, thanks to Thanksgiving. I'm asking you to extend it, ever so slightly, by lynching me. You're tired and you want to go ahead and take the well-deserved win. I get it. I understand. I'm sorry.

If you guys want to go ahead and hit the home run, I don't blame you.

linki: Would niju really forgo the kill? I doubt it.

a. it's posisble
b. it's possible she targeted someone who was somehow protected
c. it's possible it's not her of course

But I'm voting for her out of conviction. It seems so odd how Jay pushed inactive lynches and sidestepped INH completely! Wilgy's soft denfence of INH and Eloh's mixed bag of casting doubt then trying to defend INH is just weird.

Jay's mentions of nijuuINHglor:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:45 pm INSERTNAMEHERE/GLORFINDEL
SPACEDAISY
DOM

bad
good
bad

Jay's first mention of nijuuINHglor. In his fake GTH reads, he lists them as "Bad"

It is literally the only mention in his ISO of nijuuINHglor.

He talked plenty about Dom and Mesk and even sig (the last I will probably make a similar post for after this one). But that's all he spoke of INH?

DrWilgy's mentions of nijuuINHglor:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:32 am Thanks for this Speedchuck.

Something that caught my eye was the "INH/BLP - uuuuuuh good." To your knowledge, did Cbob ever attempt or push an INH lynch?
"Mount Elbrus - Twice in the game, Elbrus may peek at another player’s alignment, though he will only learn the truth on one of these occasions."

It is possible that Elbrus checked INH but responded with "uuuuuuh" because he didn't know if he could trust his double edged sword result.

Linki - Interesting, I can toss that theory a bone. How was Cbob's interactions with Sloonei before and after the JJJ lynch?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:43 am It's true that it could be due to no posts, but this is contrast to his earlier "No reads on Dom, Wilgy, INH, sprit."

Did anything really warrant a change there? Out of us four why did only INH get the "uhhhhhh?" (I promise I'm not jealous or anything... It's not like I wanted Cbob's uhhhhh.)

Re Sloonei, I can ship it and it makes rational sense, but Sloonei is the person I have felt the worst about since JoH died. Guess I gotta take another step back.

Wilgy trying to build doubt in our minds on cBob's use of "uhhhh" in front of INH. He elaborated on it and makes a joke on "how he's not jealous", but he is undoubtedly trying to push that as a good thing from cBob's list of reads, like he checked INH and there was a possibility he was good.

Feels very forced to me.

He does go on to pair Nijuu with sig after she replaces in and suddenly he has a harder time validating nijuuINHglor as a civ.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:20 pm Did more thinking about Sloonei's reason for civ questions. I don't have the time to list em out or explain right now, but the ones I had the hardest time validating as civs were (and in this order) Niju-sig, Dunya, Long Con, Quin. With everyone else, I can see them in a civ light easier.

His last post was "why aren't you lynching: dunya, sig, LC or Quin"

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

no mention of nijuuINHglor, which is weird since he paired them together before.



Eloh's mentions of nijuuINHglor:

Eloh's fist mention of INH was listing him directly under DrWilgy on her rainbow.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:00 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:57 pm I was amazed at how many called me scum in their gth reads. Does this reflect my contributions thus far or mostly what you were feeling from sprityo? Genuinely curious.

I fell asleep after your first handful of posts (you must have been boring )and just woke up to the GTH reads. So my read was about 90% sprit and 10% dunya, without having read most of your contributions.

Fair enough. I don't know you well, but I feel your answer here is genuine.

I kind of did my own GTH as I was reading through the thread. Of the low posters, I think Dom and wilgy may be good although there was one post of wilgy's that seemed very scum, but then he better explained himself and that sounded pretty genuine. But then again maybe it was a slip and he noticed how scum he sounded and then just tried to make up for it well. I think INH and mesk could be bad. Oh and sig is quiet too but I'm unsure about him. I could be missing some. Of the outspoken players, i think jjj, cbob, and dunya are good. I think thats all. The others are all in between participants imo, not over chatty and not too quiet. Maybe I'll try doing a list of my gth tomorrow qhere I can include everyone. I'm very sleepy.

She mentions INH here again and pairs him with mesk, as "could be bad". She didn't shy away from calling Wilgy bad. She called Jay good. I don't feel like she had to mention all three of her scum mates in this post, so this could be a -1 for why nijuuINHglor are scum. I would say her "Oh and sig is quiet too..." is more suspicious in this context, assuming she decided to mention all 3 teammates.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:43 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:53 pm

YET ANOTHER IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

insertnamehere has replaced Glorfindel.

INH replaced in with time to submit a kill for Night 1.

Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:53 pm

insertnamehere posted elsewhere at 11:36pm EST this same evening.

And dunya said that she thinks there is more of a team kill rather than a specific role that can send in the kill because if it were a specific role then marmot would have replaced her there.

So if only the killer mafia role is allowed to send in a kill, then I think it has to velong toneither INH or dunya. Most likely INH since he replaced in first. @Marmot can the team send in the kill as a group pm? (Hey... doesn't hurt to ask, right?)

here she throws nijuuINHglor under the bus. But this was all to be taken with a grain of salt, because she's saying IF THE TEAM CANT SEND THE KILL as group, then it has to be either INH or dunya. she goes on to (lol) asking Marmot. Of course she knew the answer to this already, though. So what does her post offer us contextually?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:28 pm Dunya...before I go to bed... I don't put as much time into mafia as you do. We cannot all do that. I am responsible for three (possibly 4 if you count epi) lives other than my own. For their education, discipline, and well being. I have not made any in depth cases for anyone. I rarely do. But, I share my opinion often of what's going down in the thread and I participate as much as possible, and I vote! I'm here to help as much as I can. You can't punish me for being mediocre. I'm much better for the civs than INH, sig, and other non-participants.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:00 am I think our problem is we're bouncing around too much. What happened to our suspicons of say...sig, INH, kyle? I thunk we suspect people and then move on to someone else without finding out if our suspicons are correct. And.... I think (if we have vocal baddies) they're who must have a hand in steering us away. I still think LC could most definitely be bad. Anyway...not fully caught up, but I've had my one cup of coffee,so I must get off my ass and do some more work.

she keeps mentioning INH's name. She's better for civs than INH (this is when I was harping her about her inconsistencies and possible scumtells). It's more than likely she'll throw us a bone to catch and latch onto. INH as their inactive voter and sutter buttes which means they didn't even benefit from his role. Definitely highly suspicious of INH now.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:32 pm Epi, whi INH? You seem to place votes on inactives early in the day and then come around EoD to place a real vote on a player you find suspicious. Am I correct in this?

questions Epi on his INH vote. Feels like she's feeling him out how serious he is at keeping it there or moving it. If it's going to be a full blown case, I bet she wanted some of the credit by bussing INH.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:41 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:49 am I mean.... it's possible one of the role secrets is a protect or a roleblock but.... 2/5 is a really bad murder success record.

This is true. Is there is a protect or roleblock secret, then that person must have a leprechaun in his butt. And if so...keep up the good work.

If not, then I think JJJ might have been the only really active baddie and that's why he played so shitty (no offense J). Anyone know of a game where JJJ was a lonesome baddie and know how he played in it? Let's see...some quiet/quieter players include Sig, INH, Wilgy, even Epi and nutella have been quieter than usual imo and could have missed deadlines. Think about how the end of phases have been pretty all over the place as well. It could have caused missing the deadline. I don't know. Lots to think about. Lots more to read too.

Tries to harpoon on this "baddies must all be inactive cos no kills" and lists some names. Includes INH, cos she has to. But then makes a soft defence of him to nutella, whom was a suspect on her list too:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:59 am Anyone got any good reasons to choose either sig or inh over the other?

Sig has posts and INH doesn't is the only reason I can think of. I would think if someone opened their role PM and saw it was scum, they would at least ty a little bit to help out his/her team rather than just being a total no-show. I think ita more likely that a civ is the no-show.

ooops, I closed Eloh's ISO.

Anyway, I really want to lynch nijuu before sig now.

Any takers?

I'd like to know what people are going to do if sig flips town?

Olympus's win condition is hidden, but I mean, the big mountains have to eliminate the small mountains to win.

The small mountains have to eliminate ALL mountains to win.

Olympus clearly is no threat to town or we'd have to eliminate him. He's a threat to the scum team though.

I really wasn't that concerned about Olympus since he wins with town, and scum has to get rid of him before winning, so he's a threat to scum, not us.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:52 pm Although I have been believing Olympus was Kyle, of course.

Kyle is obv not Olympus.

I'm intrigued. I genuinely thought it was you. Who's to say you're not Olympus and just lying about not being Olympus anyway? Then again, it could be one of the people night killed.