The Syndicate

The cop team on its early days was quite abysmal, I felt bad for Epignosis who I think scolded us almost every day for not doing anything right. I'm glad you got your win, Epignosis, you deserve it.

Great game, everyone! I honestly thought the cops were doomed starting a few days ago. Prisoner 50something is my favorite in this game, you ruled.

Thanks for the game everyone!

Well you just called my first contribution since coming back as role-fishing so...

I think there are a lot of people that could've been the seemer but I think we can cross out those ?????? names which leaves us with a few. I think if the seemer will be brought up in the game heavily it's because someone will figure out one's flip is not who they say they are, and they will use that knowledge to their advantage.

If ika is the seemer, indiglo's voting assessments may be way off base and someone will know. Someone will oppose him or go along with him(WIFOM) and if ika is indeed scum it could look like indiglo is using ika's storied and fan-favorite bandwagons as a great tool to paint certain names as scum.

Silverwolf wrote:And don't think I haven't noticed how I've been shut out of the civ core here. Even though every single person that has given a read, has called me town.

That is extremely frustrating to deal with and will result in a town loss which frustrates me because I hate losing.

Who/what is the civ core? People can still find you town even if they don't agree with what you're saying in the game.

Silverwolf wrote:
Serge wrote:Hello everyone, I'm back and apparently still alive. If someone is the seemer couldn't the person that really holds the role come forward? Or is that rule-breaking?
No they can't. We can't role reveal here. But nice rolefishing.

Hello everyone, I'm back and apparently still alive. If someone is the seemer couldn't the person that really holds the role come forward? Or is that rule-breaking?

I am on a trip for two days starting tomorrow. I won't be here when everyone lynches me.

Good luck!

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Serge wrote:Or, your grouping produced my reads. I'm not saying your grouping isn't planned. Is it?
Ideally it would be completely randomized, but I didn't have time to set that up without risk of mistakes. This was "randomized", operating in a unique pattern that only I knew. I guess that put me at a technical advantage, but that's inherent to whoever runs the thing anyway.

Serge wrote:GTH
- Town that I'm confident with are only Sloonei and SVS
- Other townies I have no previous recollection that they came across as scum
- Most of the scum I have no reads on, or are inactive
- I round off everything else as scum
Maybe it'd be easier to understand your reads if you attempted to describe some of them. I know they're gut reads, but you could still try to talk about what inspired them somehow. For example, you gave a "mafia" read on Black Rock, Turnip Head, and thellama73. These were all relatively unique choices. Why do you think you did that?

Serge wrote:Also isn't it obvious that my GTH reads as scum to town when all is said done? If I realized that, wouldn't I have at least easily put one name in the last group as scum?
Sorry but I'm not sure what you mean here. Could you try to reword this statement?

I have no clue how GTHs work. If you ensnared me, then cool beans.

[/quote]Black Rock is completely null to me. thellama73 only reminds me of his "this game is hard for cops to win" case. Turnip Head in his antics in the CFD. You said no null or neutral reads. I also saw no "leaning" reads from the other players.

I realized that paragraph was poorly worded as I typed it. What I meant was that my votes were really obviously scum-wheeled and town-carted. Scums on the front, townies on the back. If I realized it was so, I could have easily just put one or two scum reads in the final group and my votes would appear to be fully rounded. It could have easily been done because the last group had four names in it.

I don't know who you are Prisoner but you're awesome. Stay awesome, Prisoner.

Or, your grouping produced my reads. I'm not saying your grouping isn't planned. Is it?

GTH
- Town that I'm confident with are only Sloonei and SVS
- Other townies I have no previous recollection that they came across as scum
- Most of the scum I have no reads on, or are inactive
- I round off everything else as scum

Also isn't it obvious that my GTH reads as scum to town when all is said done? If I realized that, wouldn't I have at least easily put one name in the last group as scum?

I have no clue how GTHs work. If you ensnared me, then cool beans.

This is the first time I've been part of a GTH and I'm pretty excited for what it'll yield.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:S~V~S

PRISONER 509378

QUIN

SCOTTY

Town
Town
Town
Town

*listing names that won't be invited to my birthday party*

Prisoner 509378 wrote:SERGE

NEROLUNAR

INDIGLO

town
Town
Town

This is fun

Prisoner 509378 wrote:SILVERWOLF

IKA

SIG

Town
Scum
Town

Prisoner 509378 wrote:DRACONUS

SLOONEI

EPIGNOSIS

Scum
Town
Scum

Prisoner 509378 wrote:THELLAMA73

CHAINDEATH

SONEJI

Scum

Scum

Scum

Prisoner 509378 wrote:BLACK ROCK

TURNIP HEAD

BOOMSLANG

Scum

Scum

Scum

I'll bite. Also that teammates post had a sarcastic reply but my internet connection didn't cooperate.

Ricochet won? Is he still playing? Is the game over?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Serge wrote:Sorry, English isn't my first language. Instigator, I meant the driving force, the ring leader, the catalyst, you get the gist.
No worries mate, I understand you well.

Could you please point to the things that bring you to assert that Golden was the catalyst of the CFD to Fuzz? I just need to have a clear idea of where your mindset was to be able to judge it fairly.

I read his posts again and the CFD starts at page 12 of his ISO when he replies to Turnip Head's post saying he wants to start a CFD(TH). He basically named a lot of people that he said would be good candidates for the CFD(including yours truly). SVS comes and posts about Fuzz, he holds it and he's pretty vocal for the CFD when a few people voiced their doubt about the plan. So in my impression he along with SVS are the major driving forces for the CFD. He replied to a lot more people and eventually turned some of them(Silverwolf, I think for one).

Epignosis wrote:I wanted to go over the Long Con voters yesterday, but I had other stuff to do.

Turnip Head (12), Silverwolf (13), sig (18), a2thezebra (19), Serge (23), Quin (25) 23%

Turnip Head first became suspicious of LC here and enthusiastically encouraged people to lynch him. I don't get the impression that that enthusiasm was phony.
In contrast, Silverwolf's vote was, for my tastes, weak and decidedly unenthusiastic.
a2z admitted to voting to save sig (and accused Silverwolf of being bad in the bargain).
Serge likes "emergency sig," whatever that is.
Quin admitted to actually saving sig, but the vote for LC was cast begrudgingly.

ika
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Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14), RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29) 31%

Only Quin and Serge from the earlier list voted to lynch ika Day 2.

As far as I can gather (some of the quote tags are messed up), Quin voted ika for what he later decided were cultural differences (a change facilitated by sig), and then voted ika again because ika was being arrogant and not giving Quin anything to work with. Correct me if I'm wrong in that assessment, but if that's the case, I don't know what to make of it.

Serge's post I'm going to quote rather than link:

Serge wrote:I like thellama73's in-depth post about why he thinks Luffy is a cop. I don't necessarily agree with it but that amount of perception doesn't reek of scum to me. If he held on to just the "this game is hard to win for cops" thing, I may have voted for him.

I think ika is acting like a very naughty deer caught between the headlights. I honestly don't remember the case against gleam anymore, and the one against Epignosis half-built on his meta, which I don't take stock on.

Um, someone tell me how to vote.

ika

Does that work?
Serge: You characterized ika as "a very naughty deer caught between the headlights." I won't give you an A for figurative language (what the hell does that even mean?), but what I want to know is this: How is "emergency sig," which you liked, different or similar to "very naughty deer caught between the headlights ika" Day 2? In more detail than strange similes, what led you to vote ika Day 2 and LC Day 3?

Because if sig is bad, I think you should be next.

When I said naughty I meant that literally. Like kid-naughty. Sig I felt was what a frustrated townie would act when he feels the noose closing in. Ika was just plain antagonistic.

I cast my parole vote towards you, Stephen Avery. Hopefully you're truly innocent.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Hi Serge. I'm going to stare at your posts now.

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Serge wrote:I like thellama73's in-depth post about why he thinks Luffy is a cop. I don't necessarily agree with it but that amount of perception doesn't reek of scum to me. If he held on to just the "this game is hard to win for cops" thing, I may have voted for him.

I think ika is acting like a very naughty deer caught between the headlights. I honestly don't remember the case against gleam anymore, and the one against Epignosis half-built on his meta, which I don't take stock on.

Um, someone tell me how to vote.

ika

Does that work?
His presence prior to the Fuzz lynch was limited primarily to Day 2, but he missed the actual CFD sequence. He primarily seemed to be trying to catch up with the game however he could. The above post was his most substantive contribution.

The highlighted bit confuses me. Earlier, Serge had pooh-poohed llama's commentary on DDL's "this game is hard to win for cops" thing. In this post he endorses llama for his DDL case but doesn't agree with it -- suggesting it would have been stronger if it was just limited to that earliest commentary. This doesn't make sense. I could see this as a discombobulated effort to avoid voting for DDL so he could jump aboard the easier ika wagon, which would be a telling thing if DDL is indeed a baddie. We'll see on that front.

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Serge wrote:I'm not familiar with CFD and seeing it in action made me think that the traitor plan would have had a chance to work if you're all this efficient and easy to rally.

I do not think that the scum team would all rally to save a teammate in a day as early as this, with the number of players available.

As for scum being on Fuzz's bandwagon, I think that's more likely. SVS's post against Fuzz was brief but enough to produce the CFD, and if only a few of the cops were online at that time then what better way to earn points as a civ? Also, the poll doesn't even show Fuzz as the one that has the most votes. Stroke of luck?

That being said, I still don't have a firm grasp of the details of the events leading to the lynch.

PS: DrWilgy why are you voting at night?

Serge wrote:Well let me start with you. The poll would have me believe you voted first for Fuzz, and there seems to be a case since Fuzz didn't even have the most votes by the end of the day. Maybe you were even confident that the CFD won't work. Where I'm from, these things don't happen. We pick one of the leading lynches, proceed to lynch, and pick up the pieces from that. However, I am more inclined to believe you're civ since I don't have any erstwhile bad gut feel from you before or after that lynch.

SVS is a civ. He went for that Fuzz bit and ran with it, and unless Fuzz wanted to be bussed I wouldn't dream of doing it as scum. With the drought of replacements and the size of the game maye Fuzz wanted to be replaced and since that didn't look possible, maybe he wanted to go as an asset to his team. There is a possibility, but it is very remote.

The people who jumped at ika on the last moment probably really want ika to get lynched.

The people who jumped on Fuzz at the last moment didn't want ika or gleam to get lynched, but that begs the questionquestion why not vote for Epignosis whom I recall has a few votes(two, I think) as a headstart. That being said, I don't recall how many votes Fuzz had before.
Serge seems to be all over the place in these two posts. The highlighted portions don't align logically as far as I can see. In the second post he exonerates SVS based on the same premise essentially that he used to cast suspicion on other people in the first post. Perhaps he's giving SVS a great deal more credit for having "started" the CFD, but it's quite a jump still to suggest that the ones who followed it should be seen as the biggest suspects to emerge from the scenario. It doesn't add up.

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Serge wrote:I'm here to fulfill my promise to SVS regarding the CFD of day 2.

Luffy and sig looked pretty bad after the flip but I think the latter is more reminiscent of of a skeptical townie imploring for everyone to stop and think about what they're doing. Even though Fuzz flipped scum, I felt like his intent wasn't misguided. Luffy on the other hand posted that bit where he basically said it was prime time for scum to save their friends, when in reality something like the CFD doesn't usually happen, and if they do, they're probably not initiated by scum.

Which brings us to Golden. Even though Turnip Head Was the first person to voice the CFD, I think Golden is the instigator. His prime candidates were Matt and Wilgy but SVS presented a case against Fuzz and he went with that, but not immediately I feel.

I don't like ika's posts where he posted let's lynch you next(I think directed at sig and Epignosis). As for Silverwolf, she first stated that she didn't think the CFD was a good idea but she jumped in anyway, even appearing to be so sure that Fuzz was scum when Fuzz appeared to try and dig himself out of the hole.

Epignosis looked like a fence-sitter along with Sloonei, but Sloonei eventually voted for Fuzz. Also, I seem to recall Sloonei went out for a bit and came back surprised with the Fuzz bandwagon.

Turnip Head's most memorable role in all this are his emoticons and one-worded replies which were to me hilarious.

I still honestly can't figure out zebra, Enrique seems to be content on calling everyone a cop(Sloonei, then me after the flip)

That's how I interpreted the last hour of the 2nd day. Haven't caught up with the rest of you, I will try tomorrow.
I don't understand this either. He exonerated SVS for starting the CFD, acknowledged TH placed the first vote (without taking a stance), but still called Golden the "instigator" in a negative tone to describe his suspicion of him. I don't follow this thought process at all. Serge I really need you to drop by and tell me what was going on in your head.

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Of the UTR group, Serge looks like the most viable suspect so far to me.

For thellama73's post, trying to hold on to the post by another playing saying "the game is hard for cops" is really a pretty petty and shockingly bad reason to say someone is scum. If thellama73 insisted on that, I'd take it he'd use that as a concrete evidence that someone is scum. He's treating it as a scumslip.

As for SVS and Fuzz's subsequent lynch I exonerated SVS because he raised that post by Fuzz when everyone was looking for a CFD candidate and eventually got Fuzz so close to getting lynched, and he did get lynched with what I assume were loan shark votes.

Basically, Turnip Head mentioned the possibility of the CFD, Golden drove it, SVS put people's sights on Fuzz with that post. If I were to rank them as Fuzz's scum buddy when the events that transpired, I'd say from scummiest to least it'd be Turnip Head(CFD) > Golden(bus) > SVS(probably he didn't think Fuzz would get lynch if they are scum buds).

Sorry, English isn't my first language. Instigator, I meant the driving force, the ring leader, the catalyst, you get the gist.

Prisoner 503978 has mail for me. Are you giving me a way out?

Why is prisoner 503978 popular? Is he Stephen Avery?

Hello everyone. I'm terribly sorry for my performance in the game, I thought I could keep up but I couldn't. I asked to be replaced, but obviously as I'm posting this I'm still in the game as there are no replacements yet.

I just want to pop in and say I haven't caught up at all. Take that how you will, but I'll probably be around for the last few daylight hours tomorrow.

Can I get replaced and come back later when there are only a few players left? I kid.

I'm here to fulfill my promise to SVS regarding the CFD of day 2.

Luffy and sig looked pretty bad after the flip but I think the latter is more reminiscent of of a skeptical townie imploring for everyone to stop and think about what they're doing. Even though Fuzz flipped scum, I felt like his intent wasn't misguided. Luffy on the other hand posted that bit where he basically said it was prime time for scum to save their friends, when in reality something like the CFD doesn't usually happen, and if they do, they're probably not initiated by scum.

Which brings us to Golden. Even though Turnip Head Was the first person to voice the CFD, I think Golden is the instigator. His prime candidates were Matt and Wilgy but SVS presented a case against Fuzz and he went with that, but not immediately I feel.

I don't like ika's posts where he posted let's lynch you next(I think directed at sig and Epignosis). As for Silverwolf, she first stated that she didn't think the CFD was a good idea but she jumped in anyway, even appearing to be so sure that Fuzz was scum when Fuzz appeared to try and dig himself out of the hole.

Epignosis looked like a fence-sitter along with Sloonei, but Sloonei eventually voted for Fuzz. Also, I seem to recall Sloonei went out for a bit and came back surprised with the Fuzz bandwagon.

Turnip Head's most memorable role in all this are his emoticons and one-worded replies which were to me hilarious.

I still honestly can't figure out zebra, Enrique seems to be content on calling everyone a cop(Sloonei, then me after the flip)

That's how I interpreted the last hour of the 2nd day. Haven't caught up with the rest of you, I will try tomorrow.

@Metalmarsh89 try searching for *Fuzz

I read Long Con's case against Nerolunar and I agree that keeping ika because of his valuable reads on Silverwolf doesn't really seem like a good plan. However I cannot ignore that that last minute vote to try and save Fuzz. I like emergency sig. That's all I got from these three.

PS: NO U sounds like OMGUS

Linki: am I doing this right? I like Turnip Head's assessment of Long Con.

I hope you are a kid on the beat, a kid on the street, a beat kid, a beat kid.

Long Con

sig wrote:
Serge wrote:Is it possible to hear what the cases are for sig, Nerolunar and Long Con?
I defended agaisnt the CFD last night and I defended Fuzz who I believe was a civ and that the CFD was b eing used to save a scum which is what usually happens.

Long Con has been extremely inactive and literally seconds before yesterday's poll closed he tied Fuzz to ika. The difference between me and him is that I was active and involved and had been defending players since day 1 such as Gleam. LC committed the most fly by team save attempt I've ever seen.

No idea on Nero

I've seen your other other NO U post, what is a NO U?

a2thezebra wrote:
Serge wrote:Is it possible to hear what the cases are for sig, Nerolunar and Long Con?
Yes, anything is possible. You just gotta believe in yourself.

I do believe in myself but I don't want to believe I can make a sane judgement in less than an hour

Is it possible to hear what the cases are for sig, Nerolunar and Long Con?

Hey everyone, sorry I was out for most of the day, unexoected travels came up. I'll try my best to catch up and vote within the hour. Yeah, I'm doing this.

I will look more closely on the voters now though. Expect a post from me later SVS regarding the voters if I'm still here when the day begins.

@golden and SVS, I get that Fuzz got buzzed because his post pointed out by SVS was potent enough to rally everyone on a last minute bandwagon. What I'm asking is why is my vote opportunistic, is it soley because I voted in a way where both bandwagons at that time were tied because of my vote? If some other person voted, let's exclude Fuzz, would have that been opportunistic too? Why is it opportunistic? Because there were a few hours left in the day at that point and gleam or ika getting lynched was a foregone conclusion and I made sure that would have happened?

On the subject of ika voters, I don't have a bad read on them but I haven't started distinguishing players yet. Except for ika, he stands out like a sore thumb. I don't think I've played with as many new players in a game as I am doing here so it's tripping me up. I've also been not taking into factor "player x was doing y here so he/she is z" posts because frankly if all the new players here went blindly with that it's bad. If evidence other than that supports those meta-reads then I'd take it. Still, very lightly.

Oh by the way, generally on the subject of bussing don't ever make the mistake of thinking a scum lynch doesn't contain scum, I've been burned by that before. Complete and utter trust then the game ended and I learn a whole scum team bussed their own. Still, as with these games, use every tool in your disposal and don't let one idea fester in your mind.

I have a question though, the CFD would've formed against me because my ika vote was opportunistic? Is there something more? Because if that is solely it, however would've ika gotten lynched? Should've there been someone else to vote when I voted in ika that would not procure a CFD against that person? Why?

Well let me start with you. The poll would have me believe you voted first for Fuzz, and there seems to be a case since Fuzz didn't even have the most votes by the end of the day. Maybe you were even confident that the CFD won't work. Where I'm from, these things don't happen. We pick one of the leading lynches, proceed to lynch, and pick up the pieces from that. However, I am more inclined to believe you're civ since I don't have any erstwhile bad gut feel from you before or after that lynch.

SVS is a civ. He went for that Fuzz bit and ran with it, and unless Fuzz wanted to be bussed I wouldn't dream of doing it as scum. With the drought of replacements and the size of the game maye Fuzz wanted to be replaced and since that didn't look possible, maybe he wanted to go as an asset to his team. There is a possibility, but it is very remote.

The people who jumped at ika on the last moment probably really want ika to get lynched.

The people who jumped on Fuzz at the last moment didn't want ika or gleam to get lynched, but that begs the questionquestion why not vote for Epignosis whom I recall has a few votes(two, I think) as a headstart. That being said, I don't recall how many votes Fuzz had before.

So I just realized I might've been the subject of the CFD which means I wouldn't have stood a chance if that occured, so if anyone has some bone to pick with me, let's do this as soon as possible.

Come at me. *crunches knuckles*

Enrique wrote:(serge's a cop btw)

Please do elaborate

I'm not familiar with CFD and seeing it in action made me think that the traitor plan would have had a chance to work if you're all this efficient and easy to rally.

I do not think that the scum team would all rally to save a teammate in a day as early as this, with the number of players available.

As for scum being on Fuzz's bandwagon, I think that's more likely. SVS's post against Fuzz was brief but enough to produce the CFD, and if only a few of the cops were online at that time then what better way to earn points as a civ? Also, the poll doesn't even show Fuzz as the one that has the most votes. Stroke of luck?

That being said, I still don't have a firm grasp of the details of the events leading to the lynch.

PS: DrWilgy why are you voting at night?

Silverwolf wrote:If ika flips town, I'm gonna lose a lot of motivation to play. I mean at this point serge coming in here and voting him for no reason is annoying enough, but I feel a lot of the reasoning on ika has to do with his overall playstyle and the fact that he plays differently, and that just looks like policy to me which is not a good way to welcome new players on the site. I'm very demoralized by this.

For what it's worth, I'm probably newer than any of the players here despite of my join date. I thought and I still do think that ika is scummy. Please don't take whatever I do as what's normal around here. I hope both you and ika still play after this game.

As for there being no reason, ika's antics show someone relatively leaning more towards scum, and as I don't have a good grasp of everyone at that point in time, he really stood out to me, hence my vote. Also, I wanted to lynch someone, and since that was a possibility with ika I took it.

I hope if I ever offended you that you'll forgive me.

Wow, that lynch came out from nowhere. The poll would have me believe that ika got lynched but the first page isn't updated yet. I'm not really sure what happened there. I'll catch up in an hour or two, hopefully.

Voted in the poll, thanks!

I like thellama73's in-depth post about why he thinks Luffy is a cop. I don't necessarily agree with it but that amount of perception doesn't reek of scum to me. If he held on to just the "this game is hard to win for cops" thing, I may have voted for him.

I think ika is acting like a very naughty deer caught between the headlights. I honestly don't remember the case against gleam anymore, and the one against Epignosis half-built on his meta, which I don't take stock on.

Um, someone tell me how to vote.

ika

Does that work?

Thanks! MP actually just told me that. It's really nifty and useful.

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