The Syndicate

Hey, so SVS is gonna honour the bet she made with P509 and change her sig, right?

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Quin, a few times you said stuff MP and I were looking at each other and asking, "how does he KNOW that!?" The last time I finally just asked you why you thought what you said, because I was just so shocked. You figured a lot of mechanics out on your own.
I'm a pretty awful scum reader but I guess I'm not half at this sort of thing

I'd say that Silverwolf was the MVP this game. She was right about both ika and Epi and it's a shame that nobody listened.

This just reminded me that back on Day 2, the main wagons were Epi, Fuzz and ika so we had our pick of three different mafia members. We were looking so great back then but we ruined ourselves.
That led to my question in BTSC: "How the fuck did we end up with 21 votes in the span of half an hour?"

After a successful Fuzz lynch, sig's preferred avenue is to lynch the runners up of Day 2. This is still his position. According to sig, this is how Day 2 looks:

Epignosis - Cop
3
Metalmarsh89 (8), a2thezebra (9), DrWilgy (10) 10%

ika -Undercover Cop
9
Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14), RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29) 31%

RadicalFuzz - Surveillance Specialist
8
Golden (17), ika (18), Silverwolf (19), indiglo (20), S~V~S (21), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Turnip Head (24), Sloonei (25) 28%
Remember this one, Epi?

I have a new found respect for sig's scumhunting ability.
Yeah man.

I had to roll with the "If it doesn't make sense, it's not true" defense, a.k.a., I had to go Judge Judy on sig.

Looking back on it I'm not sure why I didn't call you out on that argument earlier. It evaded me.

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Quin, a few times you said stuff MP and I were looking at each other and asking, "how does he KNOW that!?" The last time I finally just asked you why you thought what you said, because I was just so shocked. You figured a lot of mechanics out on your own.
I'm a pretty awful scum reader but I guess I'm not half at this sort of thing

I'd say that Silverwolf was the MVP this game. She was right about both ika and Epi and it's a shame that nobody listened.

This just reminded me that back on Day 2, the main wagons were Epi, Fuzz and ika so we had our pick of three different mafia members. We were looking so great back then but we ruined ourselves.
That led to my question in BTSC: "How the fuck did we end up with 21 votes in the span of half an hour?"

After a successful Fuzz lynch, sig's preferred avenue is to lynch the runners up of Day 2. This is still his position. According to sig, this is how Day 2 looks:

Epignosis - Cop
3
Metalmarsh89 (8), a2thezebra (9), DrWilgy (10) 10%

ika -Undercover Cop
9
Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14), RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29) 31%

RadicalFuzz - Surveillance Specialist
8
Golden (17), ika (18), Silverwolf (19), indiglo (20), S~V~S (21), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Turnip Head (24), Sloonei (25) 28%

Remember this one, Epi?

I have a new found respect for sig's scumhunting ability.

Spacedaisy wrote:Quin, a few times you said stuff MP and I were looking at each other and asking, "how does he KNOW that!?" The last time I finally just asked you why you thought what you said, because I was just so shocked. You figured a lot of mechanics out on your own.

I'm a pretty awful scum reader but I guess I'm not half at this sort of thing

I'd say that Silverwolf was the MVP this game.

She was right about both ika and Epi and it's a shame that nobody listened.

This just reminded me that back on Day 2, the main wagons were Epi, Fuzz and ika so we had our pick of three different mafia members. We were looking so great back then but we ruined ourselves.

Spacedaisy wrote:for those of you questioning the Don's choices as far as challenges for his Capo and Crew, they did not know what the challenges were. They were choosing the reward and then picking a random number to assign their challenge with no knowledge of the actual mission itself. If they had known it would have outed who the capo and crew were. To both Dons. It would have hugely imbalanced the game for basically two groups of five civs to all know who each other are, it also would have made it impossible for a team to off their own Don by accident, which was an intended mechanic. Anyone who plays my games should know, there will always be a kind of role or mechanic that may require self sacrifice or strategic risk/loss.i am a huge fan of making players make tough decisions. And also of unique role interactions. The cops were pretty pessimistic at the idea of two civs each with their own BTSC partner that they could not arrest, but it was intentional. In order for one of the civ teams to win they had to take out the other Don. The game was built to pit civ against civ. You guys just never got there. Who knows, it might have changed the whole outcome if you hadn't put it off.

I realised the civ-on-civ gameplay aspect, but I figured it wasn't important because if town spent ages trying to lynch their opposite family members, the police would have been given free reign over the game. I always just intended to focus 100 percent on scum and if my family came out on top then it would be great.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:I got to the roles and I am absolutely kicking myself. I thought my lover must have died at the beginning because in 9 days we never found eachother, shiiiit.

I'll catch up with everything after lunch.
LOL, yeah, we couldn't believe after all that time you and Nero never found each other. I think you both searched literally almost everyone else BUT each other.

I used my role to target those who I couldn't assign roles to and then people who were urging my lynch to make sure they weren't my partner, so I didn't ever get around to him.

I suppose we did well for a couple of what ended up being vanilla townies

I'm also pretty surprised at how many game mechanics and identities I was able to correctly figure out through this. Not bad at all.

Sloonei wrote:Totally shocked at the identity of 509378, did not see that coming, much gasping.

I figured it out based on what he's said and his syntax

I got to the roles and I am absolutely kicking myself. I thought my lover must have died at the beginning because in 9 days we never found eachother, shiiiit.

I'll catch up with everything after lunch.

Sloonei wrote:

\_(:T)_/

Sloonei wrote:I think I'm keeping my vote on Dom. Scotty's tone today has seemed genuine and desperate. Dom's sudden strong rejection of my suspicion of him looks more like a bad guy on the verge of winning a game trying to swat away a last minute push. Plus there's not enough resistance to Scotty's bandwagon. I'm the first person to oppose it and I don't think I'm a cop.

Nerolunar also opposed it in passing.

My vote on Chaindeath is going nowhere, so Im changing it. I think Domcongoose looks worse than Scotty tbh, so Im voting for him.

Dom

Nerolunar's also had some pretty friendly interactions with Scotty, which is of interest.

Is self-preservation your first and foremost motivation?

Dom wrote:I voted. For Scotty.

What's your primary motivation for this vote?

'It' is the pre-lynch schpeal that it'll be a mislynch and you'll regret it etc. It seems dramatic.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Quin, immediate thoughts on Scotty's current behavior GO

Not buying it.

You think chaindeath and I are bad, but you're voting Epignosis.

Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:I'm not asking anyone to turn on S~V~S, and I'm definitely not going to condone her lynch on Day 9. That'd be worse than foolhardy. But circumstance demands thorough reassessment of everyone. We'd all be remiss to ignore possibilities that genuinely warrant consideration.
I've had all these thoughts as well and agree with you for bringing them up. But even with that, my conclusion on the matter is what I stated above. I think SVS is town. I am interested in hearing about Scotty largely because I trust SVS, and to a lesser extent also trust Quin.

I knew you'd come around eventually.

Soneji still needs to answer my questions from like 2 days ago.

Whether or not you're being honest, I still don't scum read you, because I don't believe you

I moved my vote back to Scotty, by the way. Join me, Epigogonaonognnosus.

oh bobba

Long story short: Turnip is the don, and Epignosis is his consigliere. I refuse to back down on the idea that Turnip is the don, because there's no evidence to support any other conclusion. I feel good about this, and I actually went through both of their interactions with one another and nothing has put me off of this in the slightest.

Starting with Turnip:

Spoiler: show

A blatant opposition for the notion of lynching or suspecting Epi. Nothing concrete to back this up either.

Spoiler: show

He wants to save Epi here.

Spoiler: show

Epignosis places a brilliant shade of orange here. I believe that this sudden change is a disassociation tactic.

Spoiler: show

Flippity-floppity flip-flap-flop

Time to move onto Epi, where most of the meat is.

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:I wanted to go over the Long Con voters yesterday, but I had other stuff to do.

Turnip Head (12), Silverwolf (13), sig (18), a2thezebra (19), Serge (23), Quin (25) 23%

Turnip Head first became suspicious of LC here and enthusiastically encouraged people to lynch him. I don't get the impression that that enthusiasm was phony.
In contrast, Silverwolf's vote was, for my tastes, weak and decidedly unenthusiastic.
a2z admitted to voting to save sig (and accused Silverwolf of being bad in the bargain).
Serge likes "emergency sig," whatever that is.
Quin admitted to actually saving sig, but the vote for LC was cast begrudgingly.

ika
9
Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14), RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29) 31%

Only Quin and Serge from the earlier list voted to lynch ika Day 2.

As far as I can gather (some of the quote tags are messed up), Quin voted ika for what he later decided were cultural differences (a change facilitated by sig), and then voted ika again because ika was being arrogant and not giving Quin anything to work with. Correct me if I'm wrong in that assessment, but if that's the case, I don't know what to make of it.

Serge's post I'm going to quote rather than link:

Serge wrote:I like thellama73's in-depth post about why he thinks Luffy is a cop. I don't necessarily agree with it but that amount of perception doesn't reek of scum to me. If he held on to just the "this game is hard to win for cops" thing, I may have voted for him.

I think ika is acting like a very naughty deer caught between the headlights. I honestly don't remember the case against gleam anymore, and the one against Epignosis half-built on his meta, which I don't take stock on.

Um, someone tell me how to vote.

ika

Does that work?
Serge: You characterized ika as "a very naughty deer caught between the headlights." I won't give you an A for figurative language (what the hell does that even mean?), but what I want to know is this: How is "emergency sig," which you liked, different or similar to "very naughty deer caught between the headlights ika" Day 2? In more detail than strange similes, what led you to vote ika Day 2 and LC Day 3?

Because if sig is bad, I think you should be next.

We get a nice soft defense for Turnip here (I underlined it because quoting that looks like a incomprehensible mess of hyperlinks)

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:
ika wrote:
Epignosis wrote:My controller ran out of batteries during sudden death. I blame Simon.

ika wrote:
Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.
It doesnt prove shit. I mena i already poitned out that your town read on me is based on bad reasons. SIlver knwos me better. she would knwo that i would not hesitate ot bus either. She has full credibilty to ready me. your continued discredit is very compelling and showing the true side of you
I don't have a "town read" on you though.

so your scum reading me? then you should have no problem voting me

ika wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.
Yeah,this.

And Jackie Chan meme is best meme
not this at all. want to knwo a pro tip about my meta? im a heavy busser and silver knwos that i will vote with her even if its a scum buddy so if she thinks its scum and i were to eb scum, its a moot point to try to devine that.
ika, if everyone knows what you do when you are bad, then shouldn't you...you know...vary it up?

not really, i change some here and there form time to time but most times i enjoy people knowing my metas so i can challange it

Silverwolf wrote:You want to know what I see in Epi's post. Wanting to discredit my ability to read ika and also try to turn things around on me in a way to discredit all my reads in this game. He's not voting me. He's not calling me scum. He's just trying to discredit everything I do and try to keep the focus on me and off of my reads.

It's scum 101.
I don't see why I have to think you're bad to think you're wrong.

its the discredintg on it is the thing, there is 0 town motivation ebhind it. you can easly jsut say "i think hes town so i disagree"

ika wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
ika wrote:
Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.
It doesnt prove shit. I mena i already poitned out that your town read on me is based on bad reasons. SIlver knwos me better. she would knwo that i would not hesitate ot bus either. She has full credibilty to ready me. your continued discredit is very compelling and showing the true side of you
What does Epignosis stand to gain, as a bad guy, by discrediting Silverwolf on her baddie read of you? He is protecting you from her.
PIssing me and silver off. When he is using persoanl relationship reasons to discredt it (as silver jsut pointed out with his post) i will have a problem regardless of my alginemt
No. The moment someone comes in and says she can read someone well because of their relationship is the moment she invites scrutiny on that claim. Well, she's being scrutinized. If you don't want your relationship called into question, don't make it part of the game.

I still don't get your beef with it. Jesus. I never said you guys didn't love each other.

my beef is that the reason we can read is more then jsut the relationsship, its our histroy, out metas, our very playstelys and how we interact. when you narrow it to the relatipnship itself we get pissed. you could of mention the interactions, the plays we have made, hell most of what we have actualy said it more meta based then relationship based so.....

Silverwolf wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.
Yeah,this.

And Jackie Chan meme is best meme
No, not this.

I have read ika 100% correctly in every game we've played. He draws town far more often on ms.
And this tells me you're prone to recency bias as well.

Is ika bad or not?

Why or why not?
ill let silver answer
Going to use "sarcastic orange" for once in my life:

I don't think Turnip Head is good. I don't think Turnip Head is bad. So I should vote for him. Nah.

"I think he's town so I disagree."

But I don't (necessarily) think you're "town." I questioned SilverWolf's ability to read you. That's precisely what I called into question. "I think he's town so I disagree" wouldn't have accomplished my purposes. Whether she likes it or not, Silverwolf can't read you as well as she says she can. That's important for the civilians to know, and I'm sorry I didn't go about that business sooner.

Finally, "Meta" is bullshit. Anyone can fake it with some effort.

This is where it gets good. Epi uses Turnip for his metaphor specifically. Why? Turnip wasn't part of the conversation. I take this as a role hint, whether intentional or not.

Spoiler: show

And he does it again.

Spoiler: show

He claims that Turnip has a 'tell'. I didn't know whether I bought it or not then, thinking back to when I first read it, but it makes me feels good about their connection. Sort of like the idea of dismissing the suspicion for Turnip.

The next few posts throw a bit of shade at TH. The context of those posts don't paint him as scum, it's just simply 'weird'. I'll skip going through pages to quote them because there's a few and my internet connection is currently out as I'm writing this. Thinking back to when Epi said that when he's scum, he lists taking out people with BTSC as a priority (Here's my explanation, Dom), I would be inclined to agree with him. And in agreeing with him, I also think that when he's civ and has BTSC, he'd take precautions to make sure the same thing doesn't happen to him. It's definitely disassociation.

Spoiler: show

More feel-goods about Turnip. We're in the blatant opposition mode again, and it's being reciprocated between the two.

Spoiler: show

Epi was quick both times to call me out on my thoughts on Turnip when I thought he was scum, and when I thought he and Scotty were paired. But he didn't have anything to see in any of the other times I brought up him being a don. It tells me that he doesn't oppose that idea, and he'd only be that sure if he and Turnip were paired.

MovingPictures07 wrote:These rules should be 100% clear:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
RULES & PROCEDURES
Rules
4. No role outing of yourself or anyone else. This includes all statements of fact regarding your or someone else's role, such as "I am The Don" or "Spacedaisy is Beat Cop", etc. This game is open setup role madness and incompatible with role outing, thus making it not fun when players engage in it. Absolutely don't do it.
5. No dumping information you received from the Host (whether role-related or not) into the thread. This includes statements that more often are seen as implications, rather than statements of fact (role outing). An example would be declaring that "I have reasons to believe MovingPictures07 is Beat Cop" without elaborating. If you suspect someone to be a certain role or alignment, use in-thread reasons to back up your assertion or speculation, even if your reasons are sourced from information you gained outside of the thread. If you are unsure if what you are about to say constitutes info dumping, please PM the hosts first before making the post. If you fail to do this and your post does violate information dumping, then you and your faction will be punished.
6. You may, however, alignment claim truthfully or falsely, although it is not necessarily recommended.
Role outing and strong role hints of any kind will not be tolerated. They potentially break the game.

Can I still post my role-guess for Epi using game-based facts without breaking any rules?

My internet absolutely shit itself, and I'd have had this posted like 20 minutes ago if I could. I'm basically done but I'm gonna wait on MP.

Dom wrote:
Quin wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nope

Turnip Head wrote:I voted for Scotty on the basis of the points I made in this post. It's not as strong of a point now that the Gleam wagon slowed down and two others popped up, but I still get a word feeling from how he used his vote today.
I even considered that post when I came to that conclusion. Scotty wasn't in any danger from that vote. Turnip's justification is pretty hard to get behind.

Turnip should say a thing so I know whether I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Also, my internet SEEMS to be working now. I'll just post if I can from here on and if I can't I won't go through too much trouble.

linki: why indeed.
Civs don't need to distance
Baddies do.

sig wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
sig wrote:When I made my first point Quin was still thinking he could be that role?
You didn't make a point about Scotty. You made a point about sig. Quin voted for sig. The connection is obvious.
?

Do you think if I was mafia I'd do something so stupid?

It was a jokey point to make Quin look wrong, you're reading way to deep into it.
This is yikes AF

I don't understand the role claim, but am annoyed there seems to be one.

civs with BTSC do.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Okay so sig basically claimed Messagero. Thoughts?

What do you think? He's been sending you and your jail buddies messages hasn't he? Were those messages something you see sig writing?

I just wrote so much and my internet died so I lost it. This is awful. I'll keep trucking on, because I care.

Let me finish my easter bunny and I'll get on it. I do not want him lynched, no sir.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Quin wrote:I just found Epignosis a place on my list of roles. He fits like a glove.

He's civ.
You're allowed to speculate about someone else, and unless you think it's incredibly sensitive information you should really share this. The game is critical right now.

I will ponder it. I'm still confirming it for myself.

I just found Epignosis a place on my list of roles. He fits like a glove.

He's civ.

Okay, no. I take everything I just said back. Scotty voted for Turnip when he was lynched so that's definitely not a thing.

So, sig or Scotty? I wonder.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nope

Turnip Head wrote:I voted for Scotty on the basis of the points I made in this post. It's not as strong of a point now that the Gleam wagon slowed down and two others popped up, but I still get a word feeling from how he used his vote today.

I even considered that post when I came to that conclusion. Scotty wasn't in any danger from that vote. Turnip's justification is pretty hard to get behind.

Turnip should say a thing so I know whether I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Also, my internet SEEMS to be working now. I'll just post if I can from here on and if I can't I won't go through too much trouble.

linki: why indeed.

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:A general observation, before I go farther: Scotty's posts are riddled with little hints.

Scotty wrote:I find it kind of silly that even our own Don doesn't know who the police are. I mean, they got badges and blue costumes and such. Why is this so hard?

Scotty wrote:What can I say? I'm lost. My Don has given me nothing of substance and I feel like I should have caught more at this point.
When Diiny got lynched:

Scotty wrote:Coming in hot!

Not a terrible lynch result, at least, but still sucks to lose a civ.

Scotty wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:The people who are happy with the lynch.
Not sure if happy is the emotion I'm seeing. Maybe ambivalence. I'm in the camp of "well, it could have been worse.."

Are you upset?
Personally, I don't put much stock in such business as this (there are a handful of people who, if they hint, I'm sold, but I'll never tell who they are). Thought I'd raise the point anyway.
This puts me off voting for Scotty. After Turnip was lynched, I went through his posts and it clicked that Scotty might be Turnip's consigliere. This backs up that idea a little.

Changing my vote to sig for now.
As of now, I don't agree with this.

Why would you believe that Scotty would have BTSC with Turnip Head? How do you know which Don Turnip Head would be?

I don't know which don he was. But I at least think that they have that relationship. Wherever Turnip has mentioned Scotty, he's been pretty unwaveringly neutral about him. I think that supports the idea pretty well if you take it from a disassociation viewpoint, since as you said before, scum would want to eliminate people who have BTSC as a priority. Though later on, that neutral read suddenly became:

Turnip Head wrote:
indiglo wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:I might even call Sloonei's shift opportunistic, but if he's a bad guy then I will eat my shoe and my foot inside it directly off of my leg.
I wish he were scum, because I'm not sure if I believe you.
Odd way to phrase this Do you know he's not a cop?

indiglo wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on Scotty?
Scotty's mah boi

I haven't yet done the reverse by looking at Scotty's interactions with Turnip, and I will do so now that I've realised that. But for now, I'm taking a break. Shitty internet.

Epignosis wrote:A general observation, before I go farther: Scotty's posts are riddled with little hints.

Scotty wrote:I find it kind of silly that even our own Don doesn't know who the police are. I mean, they got badges and blue costumes and such. Why is this so hard?

Scotty wrote:What can I say? I'm lost. My Don has given me nothing of substance and I feel like I should have caught more at this point.
When Diiny got lynched:

Scotty wrote:Coming in hot!

Not a terrible lynch result, at least, but still sucks to lose a civ.

Scotty wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:The people who are happy with the lynch.
Not sure if happy is the emotion I'm seeing. Maybe ambivalence. I'm in the camp of "well, it could have been worse.."

Are you upset?
Personally, I don't put much stock in such business as this (there are a handful of people who, if they hint, I'm sold, but I'll never tell who they are). Thought I'd raise the point anyway.

This puts me off voting for Scotty. After Turnip was lynched, I went through his posts and it clicked that Scotty might be Turnip's consigliere. This backs up that idea a little.

Changing my vote to sig for now.

Scotty wrote:
Quin wrote:Oh, how the tables have tabled.
@Quin did you really make my quote about being the Warden your sig?
You cheeky bastard!

I did. I loved it.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:If Scotty is bad then I get the impression that chaindeath is definitely not. He's basically using him as a human shield.

I had that relationship between the two on my mind for a while. It really just became a toss up between the two as to who I felt more comfortable voting for.

Oh, how the tables have tabled.

Do you all think Scotty's ISO of chaindeath could be a bus attempt, or not? "If I turn my tunnel vision on" (Sloonei, 2016), I see it happening given how little a presence chaindeath has really had in this game. I said it myself a while back, whether chaindeath was alive or not wouldn't really have much of an influence on the flow of the game.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:As of right now, I think the two best lynches available are Nerolunar or Soneji.

Nerolunar would definitely be my second, but I'm still waiting on Soneji to give me that something something so I can get a better grip on him.

Yeah, you tell'im!

Brady is currently on a date with Liberty Lee, his neighbour who just so happens to be a bookworm, just like him. I figured I'd take her to a coffee shop so they can play musical chairs and not associate themselves with one another for the next three sim hours.

Oh, but maybe Scotty should jump in on yours and SVS's bet

In that case, I'm going to immerse myself in the Sims 4 for the next 194 hours. Everybody hates my sim for some reason. He's a doctor, by the way.

Feels like a scum-beneficial compromise to me.

I won't do the same clear-cut tunneling Scotty's trying to do on me. If there's significant reason not to vote Scotty, I won't do it, but there's not a whole lot being thrown around in his defense and I'm confident he's a good choice.

Prisoner, does my explanation sit well with you? More questions? Lay it on thick if you need to.

'Lynch Quin and if he turns up good, lynch me'

Worst idea I've heard yet. There may not even be a Day 10 if I'm lynched.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Quin wrote:It was clear to me from the very beginning that there was a difference between being dead and being arrested. There was no logical reason for the two to be split up in the story posts if there was not something of interest there. I looked at the warden and figured that if he 'oversees' the prisoners, that means they've got BTSC. Why? Because they're supposed to communicate. Why? Because they have a goal.

I'm sure you've seen it, but I like to try and understand the game setup just as much as I try to understand player alignments. I gave an insight into the way that the seemer would work if they claimed the secret role, too. I talked about the captain and crew early on, because I wanted to understand it.

I only know these things because I make it a priority to understand how this game works.
In the post I highlighted, what did you mean by "jailmates"?

Arrested players. At the time I had no idea that there were people from outside the game also posing as inmates.

Also, since I'm not a policeman, I'm blushing at the compliment of making these 'good ass guesses'.

It was clear to me from the very beginning that there was a difference between being dead and being arrested. There was no logical reason for the two to be split up in the story posts if there was not something of interest there. I looked at the warden and figured that if he 'oversees' the prisoners, that means they've got BTSC. Why? Because they're supposed to communicate. Why? Because they have a goal.

I'm sure you've seen it, but I like to try and understand the game setup just as much as I try to understand player alignments. I gave an insight into the way that the seemer would work if they claimed the secret role, too. I talked about the captain and crew early on, because I wanted to understand it.

I only know these things because I make it a priority to understand how this game works.

I considered the rookie cop having a secret role, but I very much doubt it. MP and SD have yet to lie about anything in the setup, and the rookie cops role description explicitly says 'He has no power', so I don't see them lying about that. If the rookie cop did have a secret ability, we would know.

sig wrote:Nah doesn't explain things Quin. Both Stool's (ehehehe I said stool) are dead, they each only get 1 free life. We've had four misses and TH not getting lynched.

What are the chances there isn't say a Rookie cop and they've also got a secret role?

It does explain things. Say that scum have attempted to arrest both dons - it wouldn't work, so there's two. If they've attempted to arrest each stool pigeon, that's the other two since as you said, they have a free 'save'. The attempted lynch of Turnip is irrelevant since it happened during the day and both town or scum could have taken part in it.

@Epi: I look forward to it. Drag me through the mud as rough as you can. I can take it.

Stool pigeons.

Is that a serious answer, Scotty?

Whether they are dead, arrested or alive, Scotty; I want to know who your top three town reads were IN ORDER

I looked at Serge, and for the most part, I liked him. Even in his inactivity, he asks questions, covers all his bases and he's working toward a goal. But when the GTH reads came around, I stopped liking him as much. His reads were surprising in comparison to what he'd previous posted in the thread. I picked out a few of his posts that made me feel all weird, and I'll give some general thoughts on them.

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This doesn't sound sincere nor honest at all.

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I don't know why this puts me off. I highlighted a specific bit that I read and didn't like. It made me re-read the entire post three times. If anybody has any thoughts on this post, tell me, because I don't know what to think.

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If I were to pull a thread through all of these posts and get something from it, it tells me that he doesn't know why fuzz was lynched with less votes. In other words, he wasn't aware of the presence of the loan shark. I don't see a civ not knowing that, but I don't want to say he's scum based on that alone.

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