The Syndicate

Can we discuss something else than the Alison shot

Please

Thank you

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:32 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

flash wagon time

Towny minmeld

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:29 pmI'm sorry for your ability to read emotion from posts.

I hope the grave for it is comfortable.

What are your better choices, on instinct or reason or whatever? And don't say me.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:28 pm Alexa honestly probably mafia because I feel like shooting a red check on D1 on the person clearest from Mamrot spew is mildly outside her townrange.

But at the same time I feel like wolf!Alexa would be more circumspect.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I don't think Alexa is mafia, but it was a very bad shot. But I think she's heard that a lot of times now.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:27 pmWhy the hell did you fake a red on the person CLEAREST from Marmot spew????????????????

Yeah, actually, that's what I said. Except not that many question marks.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:24 pmIf I get voted out after being one of only 4 people trying to push flipped mafia then w/e.

Also just because I memed doesn't excuse people for ignoring my reads and calling me troll.

You think Marmot voters are all clear? I think voting Marmot who was already under suspicion is pretty easy.

That's not why I'm voting you though. Reading your iso you felt straight up nervous especially the first half.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:20 pm Also whoever shot Alison better be mafia.

I have read nothing since I popped in to talk to Dizzy last night.

If you are town, now is a great time to show it!

Also I kind of want to vote Porscha now

I should double check my take on Sean actually

Thread is moving so fast I'm getting gayer

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:04 pm nut, I know I'm gonna sound like a broken record saying this, but that's because it keeps happening.

You need to find a way to read me that isn't "c4 is town because his posts are towny, until he says something I disagree with, at which point he's a TMIing wolf". It would be understandable if that had literally ever worked on v!me, but it hasn't. Dumb tinfoils like this would be more understandable if they were on someone who's actually a good wolf, but I don't know what could possibly make you think I am. My best wolf game ever is the one where I spent entire cycles shitposting and 20-posted in F3.

If it is in fact the redcheck thing you're hanging onto, I don't even need to say how dumb calling that TMIey is.

This is probably the most I'll talk about this one thing today for everyone's sanity.

I think I like this post, the part about saying they're not a good wolf. It's rare for scum to do boasting lies ime.

Didn't get much out of c4's iso tbh. Except I didn't really hate his case on Porscha and apparently I skipped it before even though he posted it multiple times lol

On balance town enough for me.

I'll read c4

I feel like there's quite a few people who think Axe is probably just town doing Axe things again though

Ender, Wilgy, LP all acceptable chops on the top of my head.

So NAA faked a fake red on Alison and Alexa shot her, she flipped town, and then some arguing.

I don't understand either the fake or shot on Alison. I think she was called out as someone who was likely cleared from Marmot by a few. So that was not good.

It seems Axe is softing a role that has to red check people. I don't really believe him. In any case, I also think he's most likely town. I'd say town or 3p, but probably not mafia unfortunately. I'd rather not chop there even if it's tempting, cause I could so easily see him flip town here and the thread just getting more tilted from it from here.

Only skimmed the last pages, if I missed something else important please let me know.

Also I didn't defend Marmot lol. And I didn't want to get whiny this game. And I have visitors now being like lol what are you going through

Actually, if it's possible Belzy legit derped as scum, it's not impossible she's in fact scum here. She tunnels me as mafia as well. And she's very good as mafia. I do remember thinking the derp was legit when it happened though, so don't run away with this. Just way for further down the line, don't get completely blind.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:53 pmI find Dizzy his case on Ender weak, and he avoids a live conversation about which would have been more solving. Instead he just multi quote some Ender posts to make a case, and I've seen scummies do that.

You are a marvel to behold. I really fucking hope Ender is scum here.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:47 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:41 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:40 pmWhy Ender?

It would be very cool if you could read my posts, even though you're so very good at reading me and sure I'm scum.

I opened the door to have a live conversation about your Ender case, and you immediately closed that door. You could have said you already made your case, but you prefer in a 3k posts game to zing me whenever I as an ADD case don't instance remember every little detail.

Please get some perspective. I am not the one closing the door on you. I will not feel bad for you. I literally need to go now. Good luck with your solving in the meantime. Would love to hear what you think of Ender.

One more thing, Creature and Axe had a really awkward interaction. If one of them flips mafia, please look at their interaction.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:41 pm Dizzy and Guillo are both asking to be shot so start there

I'm not actually asking to be shot. It's a bad shot, the same way I'm a bad chop. I have literally never been chopped D1 as mafia ever. I have been chopped a few times D1 as town though, especially lately. People can't read me for shit, someone says I'm mafia, and then everyone says it. It's full of "Dizzy would do that as mafia" which you can literally say to just about anything (or so people think). Nobody is considering that wow what if I'm town huh. Blah, anyway, I'm not asking to be shot, but I am top wagon, so if I am to be shot I'd rather it not be right before EoD when there's no time left.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:40 pmWhy Ender?

It would be very cool if you could read my posts, even though you're so very good at reading me and sure I'm scum.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:38 pm Tbh I am in bed but I got the discord notification lol

Hey my god read on Bo was good

Alexa, if you're going to shoot me as top wagon, you shouldn't wait too long, so these mfs can get their shit together before EoD. And I will also be relieved of any more inconclusive isos.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:38 pm Who’s the wolf on Dizzy

Ender

I got nothing out of reading Sabie's iso. I think I'm just done for a while and will break. I have visitors soon as well, but I'll be back before EoD.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:27 pmThis is good then. I encourage you to shout at people about those names until somebody’s mind has changed.

God no

Oh. I was just gonna say watch Bo flip mafia and everyone be like "he obv bussed dizzy" but I had nothing to worry about

It's an ok shot ig

This game doesn't have enough guns tbh. Only complaint.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:51 am Before I forget

Shooty mcshooty face, put Bo in their place!

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@dunya
@juliets

I guess my question is irrelevant now lol

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:48 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:48 am People who has played with Bo before. What's the tea?

what does this mean dizzy?

It means, what is their meta and why are they dropping a vote on me, I don't even know them.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:48 am Dizzy I need more thoughts that correspond to like thread actions and not just random musings

I feel like I have both. This is the first time I've gone and back read, trying to form a more comprehensive view of the game and my non-clears, which is a nightmare in a game this big. Also, they do correspond to thread actions, though I can understand how some of it might seem like musings and they probably are. Don't scoff off all my musings though, whether I'm dead or alive. Sometimes, I have good musings.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:48 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:46 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:06 am Also Dizzy if you could pick another wagon who would it be? Top 3 scum let's say.

I might join you while I'm tired and awake at 2am

It you and you're free to join.

I'll get to my top three when I've dine the isos I've wanted to or I give up

My posts are short me next

Was just thinking I had no opinion on you, but other people said you were town so I just though ok. I'll probably do others before I do you tbh. Heheh.

People who has played with Bo before. What's the tea?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:06 am Also Dizzy if you could pick another wagon who would it be? Top 3 scum let's say.

I might join you while I'm tired and awake at 2am

It you and you're free to join.

I'll get to my top three when I've dine the isos I've wanted to or I give up

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:43 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:42 am Cannot believe that Sean is here and talking to Dozzy and not me

I wish Dozzy would talk to me.

Doz you have the game zovzed yet?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:41 amDraft a team, Dizzy

Ok, not joking, I was going to do this as a joke right now, but I can't, cause I'd base it on people I just enjoy and there's too many I would want on my team and then I'd feel bad when I don't have room for everyone. And this is just a hypothetical.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:41 am Dizzy's thoughts are towny but we should wolf read him just in case

See, this is acceptable.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:39 amNo. I will continue to make reads on you and everyone else with the unfounded belligerent confidence of an undereducated white cismale straight Republican suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect on any day that I choose, regardless of your flip this game.

(for legal reasons, I should note that I am not an undereducated white cismale straight Republican suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect)

(for more legal reasons, I should note that i stole this joke from HK)

Ok. Just checking. Love the confidence.

Two things that's been on my mind:

Creature and TSP had this thing about drafting, where they simultaneously seemed to think that mafia had picked roles, but also wanted to draft teams. It struck me as a weird thing to care about at the time. And if mafia really did pick teams, and as others also have mentioned, Marmot's role doesn't seem like the strongest. This seems like one of these things that strikes me as important that nobody else will care about. I'm just thinking that mafia knows how the team was formed, and this might be visible in the conversations around that, which sounds really vague lol. But I found that whole conversation around when Creature and TSP brought it up to be kind of weird and pointless and it has stuck with me.

Second thing, and that is Ilario has twice done this thing where he places town as having a better position than scum. Once he said that 7 mafia seemed like not a lot in such a large game. Later he said town would probably win this game easily. This is a typical red flag for me, because it's unusual for town to think they're getting the "better end of the deal". There's a lot of reasons why this is the case, and I've seen it many times before, BUT it's a tell that has failed me a couple of times as well. But it bothered me enough that I wanted to say something and just leave it there. SHADE

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:09 am [VOTE: dyslexicon] aubergine

We stan lol

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:09 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:04 am Me and Guillo being top wagons is not quite ideal imo

Lol, this is not the read that I said Dizzy/Guillo looked teamed from. Good timing though. It was the flowery wording read. Didn't like that.

Seab, bebe, angel of my life. If I'm town, will you please refrain from making reads on me on D1s in the future? Sincerely, your ghost of Christmas future.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:04 pm Why the hell would you chose me for your wolf team.

Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but if mafia actually chose teams, I could see this as a perspective slip, and that would be kind of funny.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:00 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:20 am Anyway, I finished reading Alison's case on Creature.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine for slipping and spewing multiple other players town.

This has more fur than a wooly mammoth.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:19 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:01 am Let's just chop marmot lmaoooooo

Marmot chops make the world go round. (I support this idea)

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:04 am Thought about it and I actually kinda think this more than Pao rn:

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Ender calls out Marmot and eventually votes there, but I don't find that clearing. He was not the first one to call out Marmot. This is kind of the thing though, I don't think mafia pushing on Marmot would be weird at all. I wouldn't even be surprised if Marmot asked people to do it, but that is obviously just speculation. In any case, the wagon didn't run its course, because Dya shot Marmot. I do town read Nut, and I think Mac is probably town now as well. Beyond that, Ender plays in a trolly way, but it just feels kind of uneasy to me still. It's just a vibe, but I don't really like it. Hate his vote on me now too. I just don't like the whole thing.

Me and Guillo being top wagons is not quite ideal imo

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:46 am What you all think about Dizzy? I honestly don't know how to independently read them but I feel like there's that slight confidence vibe indicating they might be a hit just like there was that same confidence vibe on Marmot.

Also what does this mean?

Going over ISOs only to get more unclear about people. I love that for me.

Creature's ISO. There's a bunch of stuff that I don't like in the start of the iso, particularly surrounding the Alexa/Nut dynamic. I also don't like the almost focus on derping, both around soup claim and saying he wouldn't get drafted. That said

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:11 pm I expect to be consensus townread somewhere by the end of the day

I quite like this, and I think it's something scum are unlikely to say in general.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:11 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:09 am except for the point about his low energy.

Do I look low energy now?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:21 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:17 am Is there a red on nutella too? I really did miss a lot.

alexa seems to have info on nutella's role that seems wolf-indicative for the latter but not conclusive.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:33 pm Do we just lynch Marmot?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:48 pm I have no idea why Marmot flipped their vote from me to Alison over the same case

These are the only interactions/mentions of Marmot. I don't find myself having much to say about it, other than it's not clearing.

I hate that I don't have more to say about this. I feel like LP/Creature is probably not w/w as they've had quite a bit of focus on each other and interaction as far as I've seen. Also, might seem contradictory, but I feel like if Creature is mafia, Poapon might be as well. They have some pretty weird interaction, like how Creature says they don't know Poapan like they wouldn't care about them, and then goes on caring about them a lot. Saying they are fine chopping them, but they are probably town, is something I could see Creature do as mafia as a oh so weird wifom play.

I don't know Creature very well play wise. Overall a lot of meh, possible weird stuff, but with a few posts also that sounded more genuine.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:25 pm Neeko doesn't know many here so Neeko doesn't know who would be good pick. Nutella sounds tasty though, so Neeko would have picked that. Yum.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm You should out nutella's role so that she gets souped if town

lol what? The fuck does that even mean?

This is the alleged slip that Urist pointed out, the accusation being that LP feigned ignorance about the soup kill. I don't really think going off of slips like this yields the best results, cause I've seen a lot of town miss stuff or assume stuff and it being seen as a slip. I think actual slips are very rare. However, LP is later claiming that they did read the OP, but that Nanook must have edited it. I don't know if this happened, but it seems a bit unlikely? Why not just say that you missed the part about the soup kill instead of "No, it changed"? Maybe this has more to do with LP's personality than anything. I could see LP trying to feign ignorance here, but I don't think that is a slam dunk thing at all.

But reading through LP's iso, I just end up with very mixed feelings. I've only played one game day with them before, but they were obvious town to me in that game. This game, I don't get the same feeling. At the same time, there's actually a lot of content and analysis to read. A lot of the analysis doesn't really make sense to me, but that was the same as last game. What I think may be different is that last game they eventually became very town leader-y and sorted people pretty aggressively and had much more impact overall. I wish I had a more firm take here, but I don't. If others have more experience with LP, please share.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:39 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:36 am Marmot still worst iso in the game but ender is close

Does Marmot not usually forgo reading?
Neeko thought that's what Marmot did and that seems to be the pattern in Marmot iso.
Pretty much identical so far to Team Fortress Mafia where Marmot was Town.

There's also this, which is the only thing LP has posted about Marmot. This being the only thing in their iso when there's a lot of content isn't great in itself.

And ther's been a lot of discussion around LP, and if they're mafia there might be a lot of anti-alignments to draw from it. I could see them being mafia here, so I'm not opposed to chopping them.

Would also like to know where LP is at with reads/sorting right now.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:44 am lol is dyslexicon 120 out of dyslexicon's scumrange?

Lol probably the best observation in the game. If I was scum my post count would be 30 or 300.

I’ll post more today though, as I’ll be on laptop too, and this might be my last day so