The Syndicate

Grats, mafia!

Thanks again, Jack and Juliets!

Jack, can I have 6 vig shots this night, please? Thanks.

I want a drink too actually.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:34 pm I know who is going to flip but I’m going to the liquor store.

>_>

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:34 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:33 pm Wait, why has Jinrou not even voted anyone? o.o

All excellent questions to ask before the lynch is over.

I was playing a different mafia game. I'm not putting my all into this anymore if you hadn't noticed. I was hoping I'd be dead by now lol

Wait, why has Jinrou not even voted anyone? o.o

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:23 pm I don't know which Diz to believe.

Lololol

It's what my crystal ball told me.

It's what my crystal ball told me.

Wtf happened? Jinrou, Epi scum, right?

You can vote in the poll without making a blue vote in thread, Logic.

I voted Jinrou right after I said I would. I just didn't make a

[VOTE: Jinrou] aubergine

I usually do, but it's not mandatory.

Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:27 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:05 pm Lol, what if it's both Epi and Jinrou doing some cross bussing here?

More concern: you're not voting Jinrou (after you claimed you were) nor are you voting for Epignosis.

No? o.o

Lol, what if it's both Epi and Jinrou doing some cross bussing here?

Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:48 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:19 am But why is Epi town though? =p

A better question is "why does Epi look more scummy than either of Jinrou or Kyle?"
You're giving Epi suspicion, and I don't believe you've made a case.

That is not a better question to me. The reason I copped Epi in the first place was that I was unsure of him. I do think he seems more like I've seen him as town in the later stages, but then I'm considering if I just thought that because I got a town result on him. Anyway, I have some doubt there, so the reason I'm even asking that question is for others to give their thoughts. I want to be convinced of something, and I was looking at indiglo to do that convincing because I fully town read them. Jinrou has had narrow focus. I guess that is the most negative thing I've seen from Jinrou. That and disappearing after thinking they had been copped (???)

I'm not ready to deal with the Kyle situation. GTH town.

But why is Epi town though? =p

Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:10 amThese three in particular. They don't look to be hunting, just throwing s*** at the wall to see what sticks. Maybe that's just your style, and I'm pinging off of culture clash. But it pings me. Especially since your alternative to Jinrou is Epi, and not anyone else that looks even remotely scummier than Epi.

Yeah, welcome to me freaking out. I explore alternatives in the moment and do throw stuff out, especially when I feel like I don't have a direction. This is why I kind of just wanted to sheep indiglo today. I truly don't have a clear suspect. It could be Jinrou. I'm just afraid we just consensus vote there without much question and then they flip town. I've been accused of being flippant and throwing shit out many many times. But I can't pretend to have a clear idea when I don't. I think your paranoia here is a sidetrack. I have the same cop experience as presumably you and bob and LC do (?) If you look at my D2 you will notice that I was strongly against the Neverwhere wagon when Speed and Sloonei tried to make that happen, and that was because I had investigated them in the night.

Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:52 amDizzy, your actions today are beginning to cause me to cast some doubt on your townieness.

I wanted to share because I want everyone to know where my head is at.

How so?

Or just follow consensus on Jinrou

Voting there for now.

How about we lynch Epi just for fun?
How sure is everyone that he is town?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:44 am I have a hard time believing Jack would a) give out a bunch of useless cop roles while also b) telling mafia there are a bunch of useless cop roles. Stacking the deck innit

I guess. But it's kind of stacking the deck if all the cops are actually town also, isn't it?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:42 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:40 am Kyle, why do you think you were not mod killed and Indiglo was?

Jack explained why indiglo did modkillable offense and I didnt?

Ok. I see it.

Really annoying that indiglo got modkilled for confirming themselves as town, cause imo they were as good as confirmed already.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:42 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:29 am [VOTE: colonialbob] aubergine

Cause I'm doubting the cop claims could be clearing.

Argh what

Go back and look at my interactions with Mac yesterday or the multi cop reveal today. The only way I can fake that as mafia is if I know there are multiple cops.

But that was my point. Scum would perhaps know there are multiple cops if they got multiple cop fake claims, you know.

This reaction is not scummy though.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:40 am Kyle, why do you think you were not mod killed and Indiglo was?

That would be annoying tbh, cause they were my first investigation. =P

Logic - Why do you think Jinrou will flip mafia?

[VOTE: colonialbob] aubergine

Cause I'm doubting the cop claims could be clearing.

Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:07 am I'm even more comfortable with my vote on Jinrou, because their "he's lying" comment is not followed up with a vote on the offending party.

I see the logic behind this, pun intended, but I've found that it often doesn't matter in praxis. Players are not robots. -shrug emoji

So I've read the back and forth between Jinrou and Epi, and honestly I don't really think either comes off as scummy. I'm not crazy about the Jinrou wagon.

It says in the OP that mafia has safe claims, so that could definitely include cops. Maybe they were explained the cop thing, or maybe they had a couple of cop safe claims and could deduce from that? If that is so, then I still don't trust Bob or Logic. I mean, I guess I trust logic more of the two, read wise.

I don't know if Kyle is the sort of player to make up those kind of results. I don't know why he would be the only one to have a character specific role.

I don't really get Epi's take on the whole thing here. I agree with Logic.

So question is - Are cop claims clearing or not? Sloonmeister was VT, he said. Indiglo was cop with only town results (maybe apart from miller lol). I'm the same as indiglo. Bob and Logic also claims to be the same. Kyle claims a different kind of cop. Nobody else claimed cop. Wait, LC maybe claimed cop?

Eh... If I were to just follow reads I'd just vote Bob.
I don't know Jinrou. Maybe they are scum. The 1 on 1 on Epi is pretty narrow focus.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:19 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:32 amThose are both believable things that Clawhauser (a character from the movie) would do. I'm not sure whether it bothers me that the third was "no results" - either he ran out of stuff to make up, the hosts ran out of creative ways to say stuff, or something different actually happened.

the message I received said that my failure wasn't my fault this time, which implies to me that either I was blocked or that the player I targeted is untargetable somehow.

Who did you target?

Indiglo =(((

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:02 am That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

Of course he could. Scum can be blocked you know.

Anyway.

What's the case on Jinrou?
Also Owner is not a cop?

Huh. I don't know. I will sleep now. I'll probably just end up sheeping indiglo tbh

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:48 pm I want us to pause and consider Kylemii's messages he claimed he got.

If he did not get them, it meant he made them up.

Do you believe he made them up?

He could? He seems rather creative and smart.
Do you think he would? You probably know him better than me.

If any of the cop claims are untrue, I think it would be Kyle's. That whole getting random messages could definitely be made up. Why would Kyle be the only one getting custom messages. I just got town every time, and it seems that was the experience that Bob, Logic and indiglo had too. I can easily see Kyle make up this shit to make it sound believable and specific. I think. Maybe. Right?

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:38 pmYeah, I read it in the OP and didn't know what it meant then either. LOL Thank you for explaining. I had just never heard that term before.

Parity means equal. So kind of fitting with the theme. =p
But here it refers to mafia having the same numbers as town in the thread. So it seems mafia can win that way, or some other mysterious way. We need to lynch some mafia soon is my feeling regardless lol

Logic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

From what I remember of the movie, with the exception of one, the cops are just kinda incompetent.

And I was feeling so special. I actually think this is the first time ever I randed cop in my 6 years of on and off mafia playing. Looool.

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:14 pmPardon me, what does that even mean?? Win without parity?

That mafia can win without overtaking the town by numbers. It's in the OP.
Also in the OP is that town needs to get rid of mafia.
I was half expecting that we had to form a protest against the mods - "We resist this oppressive system! Predators and preys are mere labels bestowed upon us for you to control us all, while we fight our petty war among ourselves. No more, I say! No more!"

Cause I'm legit not scum reading anyone.

Or we're all town and first lynched just flips mafia anyway and our wincon is something totally different?

/crazy theories.

So is Owner and Jinrou the only non-cops?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:01 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:56 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:51 pm I'm not "hitting my stride" because I'm just not that into mafia right now I guess, I've been playing this game whole-ly from my phone. I took a break for a reason.

I know that feeling.

Can you point to anywhere you did something cop-like?

(Hopefully you understand why I'm not taking further cop claims at face value)

I can't. I'm 99% sure a bastard cop. Instead of results I've been getting responses like "you totally meant to do that but instead you got distracted with a phone app" or "you were definitely gonna do that but you got distracted by donuts" last night I didn't get a message like that but was just told "no results" implying something else happened.

Wtf

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:06 pm This was due to a host post in which Jack mentioned a hippo coo, a rhino cop, and a wolf cop. I'm a rhino, Mac was a hippo, so I wondered if LC was the wolf. But then indiglo is also a cop so this doesn't really matter anymore.

I think I'm the wolf.

This is such lol

Oh wait. Couldn't mafia win without parity? Is that why the kills are weird?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:55 am I did indeed. How many cops can a game handle?

Lol. That's what I started to suspect. I'm cop too. Have only copped town so far. Neverwhere, Epi and LC in that order. Don't really trust the results.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:33 amI think these are good opinions*

*except I'm starting to have a sneaking suspicion of what the bastard part of this game is

Me too tbh........

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:11 pm look up games by zarathustra on mafiauniverse or alternatively zexism on mmochampion or prada on opbforums

Ok, you're not =p

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:47 pm Now I just need to figure out how to vote

I don't think voting on the poll is enough? I placed it there on epi

Are you Belzy? o.o

I probably have a lot to say later.