The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 3:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 3:35 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 3:14 pm I'll bite.

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Something that has been in my mind for a while is that SvS has spent A LOT of time talking about literally everything besides the baddies. She talks of LC. A lot. She talks of the SK. A lot. She sounds genuine but she is genuinely not sounding like a townie.

Yes this is the first time I mention this. Take that as you will.

This is like the best case anyone has made on anyone today. Up until 2 am warhammer brain trying to remember why I had SVS as so likely town.

That's my secret, captain.

I don't try to make cases. They just come out when they have to.

Let's kill an SVS (capitalized for emphasis).

Yeah that bothered me the first time I saw it day 2.

The fact that you immediately went No U rather than trying to play with me a bit … meh. Plus that “Remember the baddies know who SSK is …” post.

I was hoping we could circle dance a bit before we both agreed to vote for someone else. But you do you.

This was super fun

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 3:29 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 3:26 pm And DDL I was trying to get you to commit.

Never.

Cool. Like I said, remember to cspitalize that V in SVS next time.

Wow Scotty. That’s a surprise.

K gotta clean up my workday and jump on the Long Island Expressway

And DDL I was trying to get you to commit. But you’re committed to working on your own terms.

I got what you were putting out.

Also it’s SVS. The V is capitalized

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 3:11 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:52 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:38 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:42 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:35 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:16 am Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Weird that you don’t think LC’s role matters. If he really were motion detector, that opens up the game because we know there’s no vig or jailkeeper.

If he checked you, or anyone, I feel like he would have at least hinted in some capacity. I don’t see it.

I do think it mattered and I do think he hinted. I think he was motion detector and he checked me night 1. I said this. I <3 you but I wonder that we both are speaking English.

@Dragon D. Luffy i hope it wasn’t me who said it. The shift away from that word happened while I was on 5 year break, so I’m sure I’ve slipped a few times.

Why would you think that? Can you show the receipt of where you think he hinted because I’m not seeing anything

I told you I think he made that message about what matrix we’re in. I know you disagree but that’s what I think. Then he told me as soon as day started that he thought I was town in that weird post.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 3:00 pm This votecount is still terrible and I don't feel like I have a good understanding of good reasons for why anybody is voting anybody.

Like I know why SVS and Scotty are voting but I don't think their reasons are very good and I don't know why anyone else is voting.

The random was kinda straw/camel. He is just too slick, he can’t be assed to take one position on anything, it’s day 3, we’ve had a busy enough thread, we had 2 drama EODs. All kinds of theories, and he’s random?

I don’t know that I buy it. It feels like he’s trying to avoid committing

I don’t want vote for Scotty, or you. Everyone else is someone I felt towny about earlier (which DDL can vibe with since that’s how he feels about sig).

Or they’re low posters, and I don’t want to vote low posters.

I spent over an hour this AM spelling out in detail how I felt about every person in the game.

I realize DDL may be surprised that I am voting for him, but he needs to give me something towny to work with.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:48 pm Ok Jack looks a bit better. Hes casing and I can see where hes coming from.

Lily - 1
Roxy - 2

Random.org says 2

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Random? Ugh. I am disappoint

[VOTE: DDLuffy] aubergine

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:59 pm Can we stop talking about dead ppl plz.

I havent counted but I suspect there have been more posts on dead people this day than living ones.

Kinda hard to find out who killed the dead ppl without talking about them

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 12:38 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:42 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:35 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:16 am Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Weird that you don’t think LC’s role matters. If he really were motion detector, that opens up the game because we know there’s no vig or jailkeeper.

If he checked you, or anyone, I feel like he would have at least hinted in some capacity. I don’t see it.

I do think it mattered and I do think he hinted. I think he was motion detector and he checked me night 1. I said this. I <3 you but I wonder that we both are speaking English.

@Dragon D. Luffy i hope it wasn’t me who said it. The shift away from that word happened while I was on 5 year break, so I’m sure I’ve slipped a few times.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:47 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:45 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:43 am Still think SvS and Sig (although he needs to post),look townie. Adding Porscha to the list after yesterday.

Scot looks townie but I really dig Jack's SK theory.

As always, I don't have any suspects I'm confident on. And even the ones I think are townies, I can be convinced otherwise.

Why would you think sig looks like anything? For a Day 1, he looked towny. For Day three he looks like

I know. But to me, not showing up day 2 doesn't change the fact he looks townie for the posts he made. Logic says he vanished for RL reasons, not for having a red role card.

So … why do we bother with days 2, 3 and 4 if we slap a towny label on someone day one and call it good forever more?

Like I said this AM, I don’t particularly think sig is bad, but as no new opinions feed into the hopper, anyone starts to look like a question mark.

I ran into this post reading, I see I have a crapton on @s, I’ll try to get to them at lunch. I had a lunch meeting yesterday but should have time today.

P.S. And that's where I waffle on Jack; if he knows who SSK is, and makes a case on NOT SSK, he looks better if he manages to get the case flipped. Whenever i read one of my own posts about Jacks theory, I see the flaws in my own opinion of it, which is why he's in this category, not up top with Scotty.

I could totally see this both ways. When I read him, I see he said he's having computer issues. I hope he gets that sorted. I personally don't think he's the sort to hide behind made up excuses, and since he's taking votes I hope he is able to get back (although I am sure DDL will move his, lol).

OK, I'm not voting Scotty.

Porscha, Lily and Roxy are (ironically?) all at about the same tier for me. They have all read town to me at various points, but I'm having problems putting them into a clear "No Vote" list.

Lily came into the game like a breath of fresh air, but ever since Roxys reaction post, she hasn't had any real thoughts outside of Roxy, voted for her with no discussion, or attempt to engage with anyone who might disagree with her.

I reread Porscha, and her whole personality this game seems to be not understanding why Michelle is getting sus, or defending Michelle from being lynched. That can come from truly townreading someone or from TMI. At one point she said that she found Michelle a bit townier than in Avengers, whereas I found her a bit wolfier than Avengers, where she was bad. So still on the fence here. This was her entire discussion of Roxy before wanting *frantically* to wagon her at EOD:

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 3:22 am

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Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 12:05 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:31 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 6:23 pm I haven’t dissected end of day- I must admit that I thought day ended when I last posted and left for a show thinking that was that. My time zone is now corrected.

Falcon going wasn’t a terrible pick, I guess. I don’t think I would have gone against that as a choice in the moment. We had no reason to believe him to be the effing cop. So that sucks. I’ll look into people’s reasons later.

Still don’t like Roxy’s vanity vote at the time. I’m not inclined to think [VOTE: jack] aubergine is a bad one to start on today

scotty do you know exactly what the vc was when roxy made that vote btw? I was thinking about that too

Yes. This was the vote right before she voted.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:21 pm Vote totals
2-2-2

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Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
fingersplints
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
2
22%
Voters: Long Con, Scotty
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
2
22%
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
2
22%
Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, Michelle
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None

The thing is, she so nakedly placed a vanity vote that even the habitants of Mars knew what she was doing. Is that too wolfy to be wolfy? This sequence in particular was a quandary:

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:20 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:52 am Bleh. Jack is saying things that I agree with as I finish my reread.

I need fresh eyes. I’m working on being better at D1 reads. Looking for someone that is making sense but also a bit too hedgy and friendly. Like as if I were DDL’s friend (who was supposed to view this thread) and just started reading people for the first time.

DDL would be an appropriate, like, silly serial killer. Doing enough to make original points but also not sticking his neck out. Even though he’s been my top town.

Dunno, feeling cute I guess

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Scotty, what is you doing

Funny I found the opposite inre: Jack. He is saying more words but are the adding to the game? idk and Jack's vibe and tone are a bit off for me.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 1:41 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:27 pm lol we weren’t crossposting. You came in after I left for work. Now I’m at work.

But ftr I don’t have any alarm bells going off for you.

I could still vote jack. Idk.

What do you think of DDL?

I do not feel one way or the other about Luffy. Yet.

Why are you considering voting Jack?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:30 pm Oops we did cross post, my bad. I missed this completely

Ok, so I’m not being the town leader by design. I’m just…posting. Which de facto makes me town leader because contributions across the board are minimal. It’s whatever.

Or is it? What is your stance on me then?

Agreed about your Town Leader status.

I have no stance on you as it is only D 1, that's just how I work.

Your vibe and tone feel ok thus far - how about that?

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:37 pm vote falcon

He is vibing wrong for me. Vanity vote yep.

Not feeling sig or Michelle.
Could have went with Jack but my gut says falcon.

-Jack “feels off” and actually disagrees when I start coming around on him
-asks me why I’m voting for Jack
-agrees?? About my town leader status. Don’t know what she agrees with, but vibe feels ok
-vanity wagon, even though she could have made a difference with a vote on Jack, who a few posts ago she felt off about
-peaces out

Now this was a conscious decision. If she were bad, she’s protecting Jack. So why not just lump it on Michelle or sig? It’s a pretty lame way of defending him.




This makes no sense play wise to me if she is wolf. Though it also doesn’t make sense play wise to me if she is town.

Maybe she’s just the SK lolol

I have the same opinion that lily had which was that roxy's play made very little sense, though it stayed true to her normal sense of play in that she does what she wants, it seemed like a super good way to protect a possible wolf at end of day or direct the kill elsewhere

She waffled a bit, "I don't get it, but it's normal for her, but it could also be bad" is the jist of this.

Then she replied to Roxys "WTF" reaction post. Her next Rox related post was 5 minutes before EOD when she tried to wagon onto her. TBF none of this looks any townier than Roxys vote on Falcon (which while not "towny" was NAI for Roxy, imo. It would have been townier if she had voted for me lol, but not especially wolfy in any case).

As for Roxy, as I said, her Falcon vote was NAI, her "Ewww Gross" reaction was as well, IMO. Since then, she's joined in discussion, but I haven't seen reads and I'd like to before I make a solid read there. Roxys reads can tell me alot about her.

This post felt towny Rox to me, she seems more outraged, less faux. Roxys faux outrage generally seems a bit more drama to me.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 4:14 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:39 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 1:06 pm

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Wtaf? I'm not sure if there is any reason I would find acceptable for those that followed *MY* D1 vanity vote.

It's bs. Straight up.

@Lilypetal if you find me bad *again* by all means go for it. But we both know you are wrong.
It's so easy to come in after the vote in which you never voted or posted. Judge me by a normal d 1 occurrence that I have done literally 1000's of times.

Yah you have my full attention especially since there was zero reasons given. lol

lol help? why is this such a strong backlash to the person who called you out on something that doesnt make you look towny (regardless of whether you are or not, you have to admit it doesn't make you look *good*) and then also deflecting onto the people who followed you lol

hey, you guys wouldn't follow me off a cliff would you??? that makes YOU the bozos! not me, who went off the cliff first, of course xd

You have completely ...I just can't. Firstly - Calling anyone bozos is wrong.
You implying it is something I said makes me feel like I just got slimed.

Talk about who is having a strong reaction and it isn't me. lol

But yes this vote is ai for me. You've seen me make similar votes many times as both town and bad.
I feel it is OK for me to find and point out what I find suspicious just fine for *my* game.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:49 pm look forward to any responses to me !

I do however like what you were saying about the vote on Michelle. To tbh that is where I world have probably voted.

I need to see these three develop. As siad before, I don't particularly suspect them, but I don't find much towny past initial impressions.

I don't like voting low posters in general when there are suspicions to be had, and I tend to find others who do sus. Based on meta, I think sig would be much more active if he were bad, I just do. But that's gut, not concrete. TSP has started talking, and in general I'll never vote to yeet him for inactivity.

This leaves me with Jack and DDL.

I haven't understood DDL all game, he's constantly shifting stances, when anyone points out an inconsistency to him, he has a plausible reply at the ready. It's hard to pin down an opinion from him. Slick, or willing to consider all sides? Hard to tell.

He has some thoughts that almost seem to come from a place of TMI, then he has a plausible sounding explanation for them.

My thoughts on Jack are more complex; I reread him, and the impression I had of him was not quite what I had recalled. He had more varied opinions than I had thought, and was more varied. I want to reread him again today. The main impression I had of him before rereading was the Scotty = SK theory, which while I don't agree with it, I do think even making it made him look townier. If I were bad, and the baddies DO actually know who the SSK is, I would not be making any SSK cases unless I was pretty sure I could get them chopped, and chopping Scotty would be a hard sell.

Like Day One, I'll have to vote around an hour before EOD at the latest cause commuting. I'll be able to follow but likely won't be posting much.

Are we still waiting for TSP to get back from Costco?

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:08 pm Internal server error leading to fond memories...

I had a double post at some point. Jay went in and changed some settings, and it's better, but not perfect. Blame AI

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:19 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 4:33 pm I'm guessing the two will only show up to address this again when the day is 5 minutes to end. And scream at the nearest active townie to vote you.

Like zombies who suddenly get out from the ground and grab the nearest passerby.

Like you?
Like yesterday?

I think he did the same Day 1, changed to Falcon for vagueish reasons.

I thought Lilys entry was townish even if we didn't agree on you. I've felt porscha townish most of the game. But, yeah, I thought the last minute vote drive on you was weird. I get it they thought Michelle was town (and they were right) but it still was weird. I never liked that last minute train business, but I'm old and stuffy lol.

I haven't seen a suitable case on you since Lily didn't like your vote on Falcon, and that's a Roxy move all over, and NAI.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:42 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:35 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:16 am Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:08 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:40 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 12:03 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 5:42 pm There's a penalty, it's in the rules post.

The reason I think a double shot is likely is that otherwise, a player who did not participate in LC's death decided to send a message with a fake LC death post, on the SAME NIGHT LC died.

Seems very unlikely. What is more likely is that the two wolf factions shot him, and all 3 of them faked LC death posts as a strategy to muddle the night post. And the 4th one is the actual LC death post.

For this to be the case, LC must be the motion detector. Which is bonkers- I looked through his iso and see no hinting or anything of that role.

I think it actually more likely that the SK is oscillating targets with a fake role reveal. The 1st night was probably the one that said ‘SVS was the vig’ and last night was ‘LC was the motion detecter’ and they just happened to guess the right kill.

I think LC was VT. It also lines up that there are 3 ‘LC was vanilla’ messages. The SK wouldn’t use that as a cover.

Now unfortunately, the odds of the SK choosing the correct message at night is increasing and it’s almost a die roll without any investigation. We really need to find a wolf today, and the SK tomorrow

Someone posted a message night 1 saying they thought we were in Matrix 5. That to me says that the person who posted that message KNEW we were in matrix 5. That's the motion detector matrix.

Sup gang, sig freud here.
dont fret that the cop is dead. We got this! Uwu

don’t trust that SVS. I still think DDL and the Scotsman are teammates. If I had a hunch, I’d say we’re in matrix 5, not the one with the vig.
Just saying. Tootles!

That person also said they thought you were teammates with DDL and I was not trustworthy, for full openness, didn't want to cut the message.

And even though Canada does not celebrate Memorial Day the same date as the US does, he's close to the border and I bet his family food service business has a busy weekend when we have a three day holiday. So him not being very involved this weekend would be not surprising.

Yes, I remember the post, but considering that person also lumped in that DDL and I were wolf buddies, I wouldn’t give them credit for anything else peddled.

Does my surmising make sense? I don’t intend to dwell on the SK psychology, but I feel like my logic makes sense.

RE: sig- ok, well, weekend over. Where is he?

Bad instincts about other players on Day 1 doesn't make them a wolf. That sounds like an info drop to me.

And I don't understand why anyone thinks the SSK would name drop in posts. They may not even have to send in messages. The messages are for the SSK to try to figure out who sent them. Why would they have to send them in themselves? The only point would be for funsies, "Bwa ha ha I am the SSK, all kneel before me" (in before someone posts that tonight )

Or maybe everyone should post that tonight!!

I'm getting new @'s as I answer the old ones

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 8:25 am

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:29 am OK, first this.

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 3:37 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 1:32 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 11:00 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:49 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:38 am
I would be the corpse if she is a vig, what are you talking about?

Read the posts, please. A bunch of people didn't understand the host post.

Also dramatic much? Why are you so sure a vig Svs would have taken you down?

Because she said so?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:49 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:39 am
He didn't say that though

It's called paraphrasing.

So what he said is translated in what you said?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:09 am

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:48 am
I wanted to stay away from the game at one moment.
The feeling of 'fuck it, why should I cry for it?' vanished after a while and I was curious to see what everyone says, since I stayed counting sheeps on the ceiling (imaginary, of course) and I still have that joy to solve the game that made me play it for more than 5 years, and I didn't want to vote Jack because of dead air dead villager state of game.

Now explain me why flip flopping is bad/wolfy

It can go both ways for sure
I don’t know if I would consider this flip flopping in context. It’s revisionist in the same paragraph. But both can exist, I suppose

Not quite

It's like Scotty said, feels like you are throwing every excuse on the wall at once to see what sticks.

Yeah I think DDL is misconstruing my takeaway

I’m actively playing a behavioral psychologist to determine motivations for your reasoning and while I can see how you could be using multiple reasoning, I can also see how your meaning could also be better described as ‘I was self pressing AND of the people that I could have voted for, falcon was the one I found less settling’

I don’t know that I even suspect Michelle based on this


But I do see SVS and DDL do find it suspicious which I am noting

Dude, you made that post like an hour after I left, I haven't posted since before you made it. Like I said, I don't find self pres AI, and when I self pres I try to find a rationale for it so as not to feel like a jerk, so I'm not calling people out for the same thing.

So you can un-note me agreeing with it. I do think I agreed with something else you said, but it was about me

You went into some esoteric point that DDL misconstrued nefariously to your POV, and then lumped me in with him as doing the same, and I wasn't even in the thread at the time. I did not agree with his take away since I never saw it. I had my own reason for sussing Michelle, which I said more than once.

I replied to you about this, ^^^ but you never replied back. Now you're saying I have a history of agreeing with DDL about smalll nuances someone else (who happens to be you) made. And I don't.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:16 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:11 pm Scotty, You keep saying I validated or agreed with things I didn’t. Yuck.

You said earlier I agreed with something DDL said when I didn’t.

I’m on phone at a BBQ right now so I’ll pull the posts later, but I wish you would stop bundling me with DDL like this.

Now imma go eat some corn.

Mm, this is based on my reread yesterday in the night, so I reread it again:

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 7:10 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 2:36 pm One thing that may be important.

This is either matrix 3 or 5.

If it's 5, and mafia didn't holster their kill (which I think I'll stop bringing up because it's incredibly unlikely), then mafia now knows who the SK is.

If we catch a mafia, we need to ISO their posts for who they might know the SK is.

For instance, if I'm mafia and I know the SK, I'll likely leave them alone, maybe even protect them, because mafia can win with the SK.

I mean real talk, I’m almost certain mafia shot Scotty and Scotty is the serial killer.

He’s the most obviously townread player D1 and somebody said something about him caring more about appearing townie than who was actually yeeted and that tracks.

If it was a jailkeeper, they’d just say something, right?

Idk if we have to yeet the sk to win tho.

On one level, it makes sense. No one is gonna yeet Scotty this game.

But on the other level, the best survival scenario for SK is being towny enough not to get yeeted but not so towny they get NKed.

So I would ask; Has Scotty had any very strong opinions? He tends to really focus on his suspects. I'm not sure I'm seeing that, though. He didn't seem to have a very strong single suspect. A few hours before he actually voted for you, he made this post with the "Maybe Jack" kinda vibe, and he only made one post inbetween. If you search his posts for "Jack" its kinda meh.

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Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:27 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:22 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:45 am
I’m trying so hard not to use meta this game, but on the flip side…

I find that the scummier sig is, the townier he is lol

While I can understand the suspicion on him, I also know he is like the easiest mid-elim fodder on D1. Especially for wolves to latch onto.

Not to say I think you’re a wolf, but I don’t see him as being incredibly fruitful of a choice today if he were to flip good.

hahahahahahahah - It's good to be right Meta will always make its way into everyone's game one way or the other.


Also we were cross posting right now yet you completely ignored me

why?

lol we weren’t crossposting. You came in after I left for work. Now I’m at work.

But ftr I don’t have any alarm bells going off for you.

I could still vote jack. Idk.

What do you think of DDL?

Being the loudest voice in the thread is not a great idea for an SK in general, more so here, and i know Scotty knows how to fade back in a towny looking way. Be a memorable thread presence without being a thread leader, I saw him do it in Lasso.

So even if he is the loudest voice in the thread, he's also not tunnelling anyone. Not even you, who he's voted for twice now. I don't see why the baddies would be targeting him, unless they were YOU, and I seriously doubt you would be that obvious. Also if you were the baddie who tried to kill him I doubt you would float this ^^ either. So this post bumps you up for me.

So yeah, this is possible, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I won't be voting on him based on it. Every night just post the most innocuous message, "No one died" "Everyone died" etc. Everyone claim Vanilla. I plan to worry about SSK when and if they manage to kill someone, and who that someone is. Until then, I'm hunting baddies.

And I would expect Scotty to continue doing the same.

You right, I think I construed ‘this is possible’ with ‘I agree’, when it’s pretty clear you’re pushing back to this theory. My bad.

Although, the bit in this post that stands out to me now is your conclusion: ‘Jack, you making this post and being this obvious is too obvious, therefore I bump you up’

Why?

Did you also see this, Scotty?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:01 pm @Jackofhearts2005 Yeah, I know that, I talked myself in and out of it with that post

But like I said, Scotty knows how to fade back and he didn't even try here. So I'm more inclined to think he's just town, and we move on and see what happens.

But agreed, it's an interesting discussion but it isn't really getting us anywhere on Day 2.

I thought it was an interesting theory, so i engaged with it. Which is kinda how we play this game. Ultimately, I disagreed with it, based on being your teammate in Lasso. You know how to be a strong presence without being the lead player, and you didn't even try to do that here. You went from zero to sixty in patented towny Scotty behavior.

The way we play this game is theorize that other players are bad roles, and we discuss it. Sometimes we're right, sometimes we're not (sorry MichellE ). This is what I did, and decided I didn't believe it. You're acting as if it is some kind of personal betrayal. I "bumped him up" becasue I have no fucking idea who you are, and I didn't know that engaging with it was some kind of crime.

Then you keep trying to lump me in with DDL.

I initially thought Michelle and DDl were the bad team. Then when he got into it with Porscha about Michelle EOD, I unpaired them. I figured he was temp voting her then he would switch at EOD like he did Day 1 (and he did), but that discussion kind of unpaired them to me, then Michelle flipped town. So that leaves me with I'm not understanding why DDL has such strong opinions, yet is unable to commit to a vote.

So I'm not really sure where i stand on DDL, I don't agree with much of what he says, and tbh, I don't understand why he's saying it. Early my day 1 "No Vote" category was you and DDL, since he has been in my waffly null category.

As for Jack, I liked his theory, it was interesting, but I ultimately disagreed with it. And I was waffly on him much of the game, but that theory DID nudge him into my townier category since the baddies prolly know who SSK is and I find it very unlikely that one of them would touch the SSk with a ten foot pole, or even start a discussion of it since it could come back to bith them in the ass.

The only plus I see for Jack making that theory if he were bad is that if he managed to yeet you based on it, and you flip town, that pretty much townlocks him. But he needs to yeet you, and that's easier said than done.

Another reason to stop pretending this theory doesn't exist and to address it and ultimately decide it doesn't work, which is kinda what I did.

Holy mountains out of mole hills batman
Ok I’m moving on from the ‘lumping in with DDL’ thing. As I said, I misconstrued in my reread.

“The only plus I see for Jack making that theory if he were bad is that if he managed to yeet you based on it, and you flip town, that pretty much townlocks him. But he needs to yeet you, and that's easier said than done.”

That does the opposite of townlocking him. It does exactly what he needs to do so that I can get mislynched, since the narrative that I can’t be NK’d is on the table. If enough people determine he’s full of it, (or we just…you know…kill him and he flips wolf), then mafia will have a better reason to NK me than what’s going on now

If Jack posited a theory that you were the SSK, he pushed it, and got you yeeted, and you flipped ... town, that would make him look townier, becasue the baddies might know who the SSK is. SWo if he makes a big case on you and gets you misyeeted, it gives him some cred as unlikely to be on the baddie team that could know who SSK is. Maybe "townlock" was an exaggeration.

I think we're talking different scenarios; my thought was AFTER you got yeeted it would make him look less like a baddie. You seem to be talking about before.

It would be an audacious move to even try, and jack is an audacious player. So I could see it either way.

But I don't think the very fact of him making this case makes him bad. The main issue I have with it is we're talking about the SSK rather than the baddies. I think so long as we don't role hint, and so long as we make our messages as innocuous as possible, the SSK is SOL. The more we write and the more specific it is, the more we give SSK to work with.


I plan to read back on him and read today linearly after I finish the @s.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:54 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 11:38 am You seem angry out of a sudden, Scotty.

YOU ARE CORRECT

and it’s not because I feel threatened that you think I’m SK for whatever reason. I feel like I’m being gaslit.

And that I have to talk to you, (and the odd SVS at 6am who is hung up on thinking I’m trying to discredit her). I feel like you’re being intentionally obtuse because you don’t want to take a stance on anything this game

Scotty, you keep putting words in my mouth (or keyboard, to be precise). I don't think you're trying to discredit me. I think You're being a touch paranoid, and maybe missing some context here and there. I find it frustrating that this happens like all the time. In turn, I felt almost like you were trying to make me feel guilty for even entertaining Jacks theory, like it was some kind of betrayal. When really it was just me playing mafia.

And o'dark:30 is my most active time, then and now.

And yes, that is a good description of my feel for DDL. I can't get a grip on him, maybe cause he's slick? Or maybe cause he's faster than me? But yeah.

I just walked in, gotta see to doggo, then answer by @'s (which are all from you lol).

*doing a lot of it is low.

~fixed

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 6:16 am Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:47 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:45 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:43 am Still think SvS and Sig (although he needs to post),look townie. Adding Porscha to the list after yesterday.

Scot looks townie but I really dig Jack's SK theory.

As always, I don't have any suspects I'm confident on. And even the ones I think are townies, I can be convinced otherwise.

Why would you think sig looks like anything? For a Day 1, he looked towny. For Day three he looks like

I know. But to me, not showing up day 2 doesn't change the fact he looks townie for the posts he made. Logic says he vanished for RL reasons, not for having a red role card.

'Hard disagree. Anyone can make a few towny posts Day 1. Not evolving based on new thread info 100% downgrades a day 1 towny look. Although i agree with Scotty that low posters shouldn't be the priority, esp to my mind sig. Sig likes being bad, is good at it, and is a very involved responsible baddie. But I'm not going to TR him based solely on meta without taking thread positions into account. So I find him null.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:12 pm Based on EoD stuff, and previous:

I think Roxy is still good. I think Porscha is (probably?) good. The exasperation at end of day to get off both Lily and Michelle could be a play where Porscha knows both are town with TMI, but I feel like it might just be a towny motion

I agree that based on her Falcon vote, I don't think Roxy looked "bad" on Day 1; but since then she hasn't said much to sink teeth. On Day 2 her few posts only really discussed her day 1 vote. So not sure how you are so clearly placing her town.

I do also town read Porscha. Have to reread Lily which won't be happening now since gotta go get ready for work.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:43 am Still think SvS and Sig (although he needs to post),look townie. Adding Porscha to the list after yesterday.

Scot looks townie but I really dig Jack's SK theory.

As always, I don't have any suspects I'm confident on. And even the ones I think are townies, I can be convinced otherwise.

Why would you think sig looks like anything? For a Day 1, he looked towny. For Day three he looks like

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 12:03 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 5:42 pm There's a penalty, it's in the rules post.

The reason I think a double shot is likely is that otherwise, a player who did not participate in LC's death decided to send a message with a fake LC death post, on the SAME NIGHT LC died.

Seems very unlikely. What is more likely is that the two wolf factions shot him, and all 3 of them faked LC death posts as a strategy to muddle the night post. And the 4th one is the actual LC death post.

For this to be the case, LC must be the motion detector. Which is bonkers- I looked through his iso and see no hinting or anything of that role.

I think it actually more likely that the SK is oscillating targets with a fake role reveal. The 1st night was probably the one that said ‘SVS was the vig’ and last night was ‘LC was the motion detecter’ and they just happened to guess the right kill.

I think LC was VT. It also lines up that there are 3 ‘LC was vanilla’ messages. The SK wouldn’t use that as a cover.

Now unfortunately, the odds of the SK choosing the correct message at night is increasing and it’s almost a die roll without any investigation. We really need to find a wolf today, and the SK tomorrow

Someone posted a message night 1 saying they thought we were in Matrix 5. That to me says that the person who posted that message KNEW we were in matrix 5. That's the motion detector matrix.

Sup gang, sig freud here.
dont fret that the cop is dead. We got this! Uwu

don’t trust that SVS. I still think DDL and the Scotsman are teammates. If I had a hunch, I’d say we’re in matrix 5, not the one with the vig.
Just saying. Tootles!

That person also said they thought you were teammates with DDL and I was not trustworthy, for full openness, didn't want to cut the message.

And even though Canada does not celebrate Memorial Day the same date as the US does, he's close to the border and I bet his family food service business has a busy weekend when we have a three day holiday. So him not being very involved this weekend would be not surprising.

I accidentally voted the mod option on the poll rather than the see vote option. Sorry about that.

OK, first this.
You went into some esoteric point that DDL misconstrued nefariously to your POV, and then lumped me in with him as doing the same, and I wasn't even in the thread at the time. I did not agree with his take away since I never saw it. I had my own reason for sussing Michelle, which I said more than once.

I replied to you about this, ^^^ but you never replied back. Now you're saying I have a history of agreeing with DDL about smalll nuances someone else (who happens to be you) made. And I don't.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:16 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:11 pm Scotty, You keep saying I validated or agreed with things I didn’t. Yuck.

You said earlier I agreed with something DDL said when I didn’t.

I’m on phone at a BBQ right now so I’ll pull the posts later, but I wish you would stop bundling me with DDL like this.

Now imma go eat some corn.

Mm, this is based on my reread yesterday in the night, so I reread it again:

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 7:10 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 2:36 pm One thing that may be important.

This is either matrix 3 or 5.

If it's 5, and mafia didn't holster their kill (which I think I'll stop bringing up because it's incredibly unlikely), then mafia now knows who the SK is.

If we catch a mafia, we need to ISO their posts for who they might know the SK is.

For instance, if I'm mafia and I know the SK, I'll likely leave them alone, maybe even protect them, because mafia can win with the SK.

I mean real talk, I’m almost certain mafia shot Scotty and Scotty is the serial killer.

He’s the most obviously townread player D1 and somebody said something about him caring more about appearing townie than who was actually yeeted and that tracks.

If it was a jailkeeper, they’d just say something, right?

Idk if we have to yeet the sk to win tho.

On one level, it makes sense. No one is gonna yeet Scotty this game.

But on the other level, the best survival scenario for SK is being towny enough not to get yeeted but not so towny they get NKed.

So I would ask; Has Scotty had any very strong opinions? He tends to really focus on his suspects. I'm not sure I'm seeing that, though. He didn't seem to have a very strong single suspect. A few hours before he actually voted for you, he made this post with the "Maybe Jack" kinda vibe, and he only made one post inbetween. If you search his posts for "Jack" its kinda meh.

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Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 12:27 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 10:22 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:45 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 6:04 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:38 am

why lc and falcon townreads

a line on the sr's is helpful too

unless you plan on getting me ML'd again >:(

They're not reads, they are who I would and wouldn't vote.
If i wanted to vote you, i would, but I think Sig is more probably to flip mafia.

I’m trying so hard not to use meta this game, but on the flip side…

I find that the scummier sig is, the townier he is lol

While I can understand the suspicion on him, I also know he is like the easiest mid-elim fodder on D1. Especially for wolves to latch onto.

Not to say I think you’re a wolf, but I don’t see him as being incredibly fruitful of a choice today if he were to flip good.

hahahahahahahah - It's good to be right Meta will always make its way into everyone's game one way or the other.


Also we were cross posting right now yet you completely ignored me

why?

lol we weren’t crossposting. You came in after I left for work. Now I’m at work.

But ftr I don’t have any alarm bells going off for you.

I could still vote jack. Idk.

What do you think of DDL?

Being the loudest voice in the thread is not a great idea for an SK in general, more so here, and i know Scotty knows how to fade back in a towny looking way. Be a memorable thread presence without being a thread leader, I saw him do it in Lasso.

So even if he is the loudest voice in the thread, he's also not tunnelling anyone. Not even you, who he's voted for twice now. I don't see why the baddies would be targeting him, unless they were YOU, and I seriously doubt you would be that obvious. Also if you were the baddie who tried to kill him I doubt you would float this ^^ either. So this post bumps you up for me.

So yeah, this is possible, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I won't be voting on him based on it. Every night just post the most innocuous message, "No one died" "Everyone died" etc. Everyone claim Vanilla. I plan to worry about SSK when and if they manage to kill someone, and who that someone is. Until then, I'm hunting baddies.

And I would expect Scotty to continue doing the same.

You right, I think I construed ‘this is possible’ with ‘I agree’, when it’s pretty clear you’re pushing back to this theory. My bad.

Although, the bit in this post that stands out to me now is your conclusion: ‘Jack, you making this post and being this obvious is too obvious, therefore I bump you up’

Why?

Did you also see this, Scotty?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:01 pm @Jackofhearts2005 Yeah, I know that, I talked myself in and out of it with that post

But like I said, Scotty knows how to fade back and he didn't even try here. So I'm more inclined to think he's just town, and we move on and see what happens.

But agreed, it's an interesting discussion but it isn't really getting us anywhere on Day 2.

I thought it was an interesting theory, so i engaged with it. Which is kinda how we play this game. Ultimately, I disagreed with it, based on being your teammate in Lasso. You know how to be a strong presence without being the lead player, and you didn't even try to do that here. You went from zero to sixty in patented towny Scotty behavior.

The way we play this game is theorize that other players are bad roles, and we discuss it. Sometimes we're right, sometimes we're not (sorry MichellE ). This is what I did, and decided I didn't believe it. You're acting as if it is some kind of personal betrayal. I "bumped him up" becasue I have no fucking idea who you are, and I didn't know that engaging with it was some kind of crime.

Then you keep trying to lump me in with DDL.

I initially thought Michelle and DDl were the bad team. Then when he got into it with Porscha about Michelle EOD, I unpaired them. I figured he was temp voting her then he would switch at EOD like he did Day 1 (and he did), but that discussion kind of unpaired them to me, then Michelle flipped town. So that leaves me with I'm not understanding why DDL has such strong opinions, yet is unable to commit to a vote.

So I'm not really sure where i stand on DDL, I don't agree with much of what he says, and tbh, I don't understand why he's saying it. Early my day 1 "No Vote" category was you and DDL, since he has been in my waffly null category.

As for Jack, I liked his theory, it was interesting, but I ultimately disagreed with it. And I was waffly on him much of the game, but that theory DID nudge him into my townier category since the baddies prolly know who SSK is and I find it very unlikely that one of them would touch the SSk with a ten foot pole, or even start a discussion of it since it could come back to bith them in the ass.

The only plus I see for Jack making that theory if he were bad is that if he managed to yeet you based on it, and you flip town, that pretty much townlocks him. But he needs to yeet you, and that's easier said than done.

Another reason to stop pretending this theory doesn't exist and to address it and ultimately decide it doesn't work, which is kinda what I did.

Scotty, You keep saying I validated or agreed with things I didn’t. Yuck.

You said earlier I agreed with something DDL said when I didn’t.

I’m on phone at a BBQ right now so I’ll pull the posts later, but I wish you would stop bundling me with DDL like this.

Now imma go eat some corn.

@sig

Where are you?? I took some flak for you yesterday, and I would like to see you represent a bit more!

@Jackofhearts2005 Yeah, I know that, I talked myself in and out of it with that post

But like I said, Scotty knows how to fade back and he didn't even try here. So I'm more inclined to think he's just town, and we move on and see what happens.

But agreed, it's an interesting discussion but it isn't really getting us anywhere on Day 2.

Actually, I don't think I've been jailkept (or Neighborized) in a super super long time. Years and years.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:26 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:22 pm actually ok if you got jailkept you theoretically should know it right (this is certainly in the rules and I'm making bad on my threat to have read them)

Where do you people get those magical jailkeepers from.

Next you're gonna say you get candy when a jailkeeper targets you or something.

Maybe "us people" have played in games with roles like that? I still have some Skittles from the last time I got jailkept.

@Scotty I had asked earlier, not that it matters to this game per se, but more out of curiousity. If you answered sorry i missed it.

Was Nooks role in the GOC a jailkeeper?

OK, I have read and reread Michelle today. I think she put up a good defense, but it still doesn't squelch her lack of towny vibe for me, I'm feeling defensiveness more than towniness, she feels almost a bit petulant to me. So I'm going to [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine again for now.

As of this vote, 1:45 Eastern, about 3.25 hours till EOD

Lily petal has 3 votes. Michelle, LC and DDL.

Jack has 2, Scotty and TSP.

Roxy has 1, Lilypetal.

(I post this mainly for me so I know where the poll was when I voted.)

If no one else is feeling a Michelle vote, and votes are tight elsewhere I might move. But I might not if the wagons stay as they are now.

But I would rather not vote for Lily, it's maybe not the winningest thing, but it's a nicety i like. I disagree with her on Roxy, so not voting there. I am conflicted on Jack; he sounds mostly towny to me, and last time we played we were t/t and I grossly misunderstood him and tunnelled the thread into yeeting him, so I'm not sure how my gut reads him, if that makes sense. But tbh I don't feel strongly enough about any of the three to try and save them, and I know my courtesy stuff isn't popular lol

So I'll be in and out and will definitely be here for the last hour, if on phone.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 7:27 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 3:51 pm I said I would have. If I have a one use I use it up pretty fast so i don't lose it, and reading that EOD last night I was pretty sure she was woofin.Someone put a message into the night post that I was the town vig. Had I been that role (WHICH I AM NOT ) I would have vigged her last night. I know self meta is bullshit, buit I would have.

I know you read that post, since you told me not to talk roles due to SSK.

I read everything, but sometimes I skim sentences to focus on stuff that seems more interesting. Or maybe I just forgot.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:09 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 2:01 pm But.... no way a baddie team does not kill. It does not feel"smart". Way too many gung ho players on this site.

Maybe the mafia REALLY wanted to kill DDL but they couldn’t because I missed him so much so we just holstered.

Hypothetically.

Mafia wanting to kill me after yesterday is kind of crazy tbh.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 7:20 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 2:36 pm One thing that may be important.

This is either matrix 3 or 5.

If it's 5, and mafia didn't holster their kill (which I think I'll stop bringing up because it's incredibly unlikely), then mafia now knows who the SK is.

If we catch a mafia, we need to ISO their posts for who they might know the SK is.

For instance, if I'm mafia and I know the SK, I'll likely leave them alone, maybe even protect them, because mafia can win with the SK.

I mean real talk, I’m almost certain mafia shot Scotty and Scotty is the serial killer.

He’s the most obviously townread player D1 and somebody said something about him caring more about appearing townie than who was actually yeeted and that tracks.

If it was a jailkeeper, they’d just say something, right?

Idk if we have to yeet the sk to win tho.

Stop trying to get the jail keeper to claim. That doesn’t help

I agree I would likely be the obvious kill target. I also would be putting myself in a compromising position if I were SK being called a ‘town leader’. I would much rather toe the line and not be too loud and brazen if I were SK.

Probably

/end WIFOM

I read this as saying the jailkeeper would have said something, not that they should do so now.

But if the Jailkeeper had the SSK, and knew who they were that way (or guessed would be better, I'm sure SSK would lie) then wouldn't SSK know who the JK is? Or is that role generally a blind chat? Like the JK knows who their target is, but the target doesn't know who the JK is? Not looking for anyone to answer this btw, I'm asking this in a "general" kind of way. I'm not the best at traditional roles and how they function.

I would guess in this game it would be a blind chat, or at least I hope so.

Pretty sure jailkeepers have nothing to do with chats.

A JK is just a doctor who is also a roleblocker, and has to use both abilities on the same target each time.

OK, I remember games where the JK had a chat with the prisoner, or maybe the name of that role is different? But it functioned the same way, protected/blocked someone.

@Scotty , wasn't Nook a Jailkeeper in our game?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:19 pm Gonna get host clarification on if the sk winning means they leave the game or they end the game.

If they leave, it’s arguably not worth yeeting them. If they win, we absolutely must.

I just double checked and town win cons are

9 Civs - Find the threats to town and remove them. You win once all non civilians are removed from the game.

so we have to worry about them at some point. I have never seen a game where, if the 3P meets their win con the game just ends (except maybe joker games). Is this a thing that is done?

Although this does pertain to your other question, it says "removed" NOT the more traditional "eliminated", but I looked at his other games and "removed" seems to be the language Wilgy uses.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 2:36 pm One thing that may be important.

This is either matrix 3 or 5.

If it's 5, and mafia didn't holster their kill (which I think I'll stop bringing up because it's incredibly unlikely), then mafia now knows who the SK is.

If we catch a mafia, we need to ISO their posts for who they might know the SK is.

For instance, if I'm mafia and I know the SK, I'll likely leave them alone, maybe even protect them, because mafia can win with the SK.

I mean real talk, I’m almost certain mafia shot Scotty and Scotty is the serial killer.

He’s the most obviously townread player D1 and somebody said something about him caring more about appearing townie than who was actually yeeted and that tracks.

If it was a jailkeeper, they’d just say something, right?

Idk if we have to yeet the sk to win tho.

Stop trying to get the jail keeper to claim. That doesn’t help

I agree I would likely be the obvious kill target. I also would be putting myself in a compromising position if I were SK being called a ‘town leader’. I would much rather toe the line and not be too loud and brazen if I were SK.

Probably

/end WIFOM

I read this as saying the jailkeeper would have said something, not that they should do so now.

But if the Jailkeeper had the SSK, and knew who they were that way (or guessed would be better, I'm sure SSK would lie) then wouldn't SSK know who the JK is? Or is that role generally a blind chat? Like the JK knows who their target is, but the target doesn't know who the JK is? Not looking for anyone to answer this btw, I'm asking this in a "general" kind of way. I'm not the best at traditional roles and how they function.

I would guess in this game it would be a blind chat, or at least I hope so.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 2:36 pm One thing that may be important.

This is either matrix 3 or 5.

If it's 5, and mafia didn't holster their kill (which I think I'll stop bringing up because it's incredibly unlikely), then mafia now knows who the SK is.

If we catch a mafia, we need to ISO their posts for who they might know the SK is.

For instance, if I'm mafia and I know the SK, I'll likely leave them alone, maybe even protect them, because mafia can win with the SK.

I mean real talk, I’m almost certain mafia shot Scotty and Scotty is the serial killer.

He’s the most obviously townread player D1 and somebody said something about him caring more about appearing townie than who was actually yeeted and that tracks.

If it was a jailkeeper, they’d just say something, right?

Idk if we have to yeet the sk to win tho.

On one level, it makes sense. No one is gonna yeet Scotty this game.

But on the other level, the best survival scenario for SK is being towny enough not to get yeeted but not so towny they get NKed.

So I would ask; Has Scotty had any very strong opinions? He tends to really focus on his suspects. I'm not sure I'm seeing that, though. He didn't seem to have a very strong single suspect. A few hours before he actually voted for you, he made this post with the "Maybe Jack" kinda vibe, and he only made one post inbetween. If you search his posts for "Jack" its kinda meh.


Being the loudest voice in the thread is not a great idea for an SK in general, more so here, and i know Scotty knows how to fade back in a towny looking way. Be a memorable thread presence without being a thread leader, I saw him do it in Lasso.

So even if he is the loudest voice in the thread, he's also not tunnelling anyone. Not even you, who he's voted for twice now. I don't see why the baddies would be targeting him, unless they were YOU, and I seriously doubt you would be that obvious. Also if you were the baddie who tried to kill him I doubt you would float this ^^ either. So this post bumps you up for me.

So yeah, this is possible, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I won't be voting on him based on it. Every night just post the most innocuous message, "No one died" "Everyone died" etc. Everyone claim Vanilla. I plan to worry about SSK when and if they manage to kill someone, and who that someone is. Until then, I'm hunting baddies.

And I would expect Scotty to continue doing the same.

@Michelle if self pres wasn't a valid voting consideration for you today, who do you think you'd be voting for?

Still sus of sig?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:02 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 4:09 pm I still am sus of Michelle, but am not unwilling to hear everyone else. I know I can have a tendency to tunnel, and I'm trying not to.

So as of now, I wouldn't be voting Scotty, Lily and Roxy. Also as an aside, in my opinion, I don't think Rox/Splints could have been bad teammates. Splints had two games, she stayed in the other. I think it would have been otherwise had she been on a team with Rox. So if either of these two flip, it would autoclear the other for me. And right now they both look pretty towny to me, even if maybe not to each other.

My midrange is Porscha, DDL and Jack. DDL's vote on Falcon was the iggiest of the 4, but overall I still feel he's pretty towny.

Lower midrange I want to hear from sig and from LC. I don't think I've gotten a feel for LCs opinions, and I didn't note sig having any new opinions, just some defensiveness since his early posts.

Why Lily?

She came in and did the fresh air thing, she had opinions, she didn't hedge them. I don't necessarily agree with all of them (I agree that I'm towny but, unlike Lily, I think Roxys vote was NAI for her). Also my fave old school courtesy is taking subs off the table for the day/night they sub in as a courtesy for helping out and to give them time to get their feet wet. The host took them off the poll back then, but i try to do it personally now. It's one of the old Lostpedia courtesies I especially like. It's easy in her case since she just feels solid to me.

tl;dr, She just subbed in and is off the table for me today as a rule of thumb, but I also liked her presence.

Basically, she came late to class, but she put in the effort and did her homework.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 4:34 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:39 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:31 am @S~V~S what happened is that Roxy put a vote on falcon out of nowhere, which people have called a vanity wagon. Then I decided I didn't like either option much (Michelle/Jack) and wanted to start a CFD of sorts, and I was also unhappy with the game's very high ratio of low posters, so I turned Roxy's vanity wagon into an actual one. Then near the end of the day, both Jack and Michelle hopped along. Don't remember who did it first.

Really? So both Michelle and Jack were self pres? Self Pres is pretty much NAI. Since it was last hour, I don't really see much shade at Rox from me either. Why would a baddie start a third wagon when they weren't one of the two options already with votes in a game with only 2 baddies? They would vote for the option that wasn't their teammate presuming the wagon was started to save someone. If there were 3 wolves, yeah, but only 2? And following her own drummer is a very Rox thing, and is pretty much NAI.

After i finish my @s I'll have to reread in context.

I don’t get what you’re saying but I noticed years ago that ppl say “wolves don’t care about town vs town wagons” and from then on, I was much more likely to have strong opinions on town vs town wagons as a wolf.

I didn’t self pres because something something unyeetable

I do that alot, think I'm being clear when I'm not. Basically, I was saying I think Roxs vote really WAS just a throwaway vote, the one thing about it that surprised me is that she didn't drop it on me. She makes votes like that early days if she has been mostly AFK. And it would be pointless to start another wagon (on Falcon) when there were three other wagons going at that time, and there are only 2 wolves. Only one of the other wagons could have been a hypothetical teammate, so why start a new one wagon\, from a woilfy perspective, they had other choices open to them. It would have been cleaner and more economical to just hop on an existing wagon if she was saving a teammate. So I don't think she was saving a teammate with that vote. I think she wasn't caught up to the nuance of the thread, was annoyed Falcon wasn't posting videos with her, so she poked him with a vote.

I wasn't really talking about t/t wagons. And when i think back on it, I myself seldom self pres myself. If I get to that point as town especially I'm just so annoyed I don't bother. But I generally don't find it AI when other people do it. I found DDLs Falcon vote most sus of the 4. And he's been playing a sort of Devils Advocate role, I can't really get a grip on him.

I still am sus of Michelle, but am not unwilling to hear everyone else. I know I can have a tendency to tunnel, and I'm trying not to.

So as of now, I wouldn't be voting Scotty, Lily and Roxy. Also as an aside, in my opinion, I don't think Rox/Splints could have been bad teammates. Splints had two games, she stayed in the other. I think it would have been otherwise had she been on a team with Rox. So if either of these two flip, it would autoclear the other for me. And right now they both look pretty towny to me, even if maybe not to each other.

My midrange is Porscha, DDL and Jack. DDL's vote on Falcon was the iggiest of the 4, but overall I still feel he's pretty towny.

Lower midrange I want to hear from sig and from LC. I don't think I've gotten a feel for LCs opinions, and I didn't note sig having any new opinions, just some defensiveness since his early posts.

Also, having read more into the EOD, and her coming in earlier, I think her vote for Falcon was not unlike when she votes for me sionce I'm a friend and she has no idea where to vote. A meaningless vote on a friend who will understand since she doesn't want to not vote. I don't sus her for it. DDL comes out more sus for his vote, imo.

Her =Roxy

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:49 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:38 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:34 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:58 am Also "new civvie corpse"? I am not sure what your meaning is here?

Some slowpokes are believing the post that says you are a dead vig.

Not sure if slowpokes or fake dumb tells tho.

I would be the corpse if she is a vig, what are you talking about?

Read the posts, please. A bunch of people didn't understand the host post.

Also dramatic much? Why are you so sure a vig Svs would have taken you down?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:39 am
He didn't say that though

It's called paraphrasing.

I said I would have. If I have a one use I use it up pretty fast so i don't lose it, and reading that EOD last night I was pretty sure she was woofin.Someone put a message into the night post that I was the town vig. Had I been that role (WHICH I AM NOT ) I would have vigged her last night. I know self meta is bullshit, buit I would have.

I know you read that post, since you told me not to talk roles due to SSK.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 12:41 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:34 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:58 am Also "new civvie corpse"? I am not sure what your meaning is here?

Some slowpokes are believing the post that says you are a dead vig.

Not sure if slowpokes or fake dumb tells tho.

I'm a slowpoke and I still understood what Michelle meant by 'new Civvie corpse'.

Well I didn't lol. I thought maybe she was talking about Falcon, which is why I was perplexed. I have nuance issues at times, now that it was explained it's like, Duh, why did I miss that?

Also, having read more into the EOD, and her coming in earlier, I think her vote for Falcon was not unlike when she votes for me sionce I'm a friend and she has no idea where to vote. A meaningless vote on a friend who will understand since she doesn't want to not vote. I don't sus her for it. DDL comes out more sus for his vote, imo.

Since the thread doesn't really show the votes in the poll, just the posts. DDL said both Michelle and Jack were saving.

Was it tied when either of the two of them moved their votes?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 1:32 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 11:00 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:49 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:38 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:34 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:58 am Also "new civvie corpse"? I am not sure what your meaning is here?

Some slowpokes are believing the post that says you are a dead vig.

Not sure if slowpokes or fake dumb tells tho.

I would be the corpse if she is a vig, what are you talking about?

Read the posts, please. A bunch of people didn't understand the host post.

Also dramatic much? Why are you so sure a vig Svs would have taken you down?

Because she said so?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:49 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:39 am
He didn't say that though

It's called paraphrasing.

So what he said is translated in what you said?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:09 am

Spoiler: show

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:48 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:40 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:39 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:37 am Actually I decided to self press. Since I couldn't sleep because I was frustrated because mischopped is a thing I really dislike, I took the opportunity to vote Falcon who had such a weird vote on me without anything else AI itg.

I know I can solve and help town only if I am alive.
I didn't even think that he could be the cop smh.

You seem to be flip-flopping weirdly between having voted facon for self-press and actually coming up with a reason for it. Not sure if I dig it.

They are both things that passed through my mind at Eod. What's there to dig?

I wanted to stay away from the game at one moment.
The feeling of 'fuck it, why should I cry for it?' vanished after a while and I was curious to see what everyone says, since I stayed counting sheeps on the ceiling (imaginary, of course) and I still have that joy to solve the game that made me play it for more than 5 years, and I didn't want to vote Jack because of dead air dead villager state of game.

Now explain me why flip flopping is bad/wolfy

It can go both ways for sure
I don’t know if I would consider this flip flopping in context. It’s revisionist in the same paragraph. But both can exist, I suppose

Not quite

It's like Scotty said, feels like you are throwing every excuse on the wall at once to see what sticks.

Yeah I think DDL is misconstruing my takeaway

I’m actively playing a behavioral psychologist to determine motivations for your reasoning and while I can see how you could be using multiple reasoning, I can also see how your meaning could also be better described as ‘I was self pressing AND of the people that I could have voted for, falcon was the one I found less settling’

I don’t know that I even suspect Michelle based on this


But I do see SVS and DDL do find it suspicious which I am noting

Dude, you made that post like an hour after I left, I haven't posted since before you made it. Like I said, I don't find self pres AI, and when I self pres I try to find a rationale for it so as not to feel like a jerk, so I'm not calling people out for the same thing.

So you can un-note me agreeing with it. I do think I agreed with something else you said, but it was about me

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:49 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:46 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:15 pm @ Jack I had enough from Nook on the same topic, I don't want to hear from you this. I am bored to death about post number linked to alignament. Find anything else and I believe you have a real scum read. Until then, your push has no substance.

@ SVS i never saw town Sig posting reads. If you have other infos, please tell me.

@ Roxy 'Um ok---- what would be the right reason? This feels like you are saying the vote on you is the right way to go but you disliked why?'
I mean anyone can have a wrong scum read and base it on a real thought. Jack's reason just doesn't seem real to me. The 8 games he's mentioning when I rand wolf are paired with 20 games where I was town and played the same. Also I didn't have 8 wolf games this year on Syndicate and MU and I doubt he followed me on every site I play to count my wolf games.

Yeah but reads aren’t the only civ thing. Not just for sig, for anyone.

I feel ok about Jack, and have a townier feel for sig than for you.

I’d rather not make a statement vote, so I’ll make a wagon vote and [VOTE: michelle] aubergine.

I’ll try to get back in here but I can’t be guaranteed to have the time. So sorry if wrong

Sorry? Why sorry?
Of course you are wrong. But maybe you have an agenda.

An agenda? See that little shade push. That one little thing gave me the bit of a head tilt there.

And sorry becasue if I'm wrong I'm voting to yeet a townie, and I don't like doing so? Again, this post just feel like trying to low key push sus at me, and i think you are much more direct and somewhat fearless as town. If you thought I was bad you would say it. This seems less so, more like something I would do when bad, tbh. Not committing, just lobbing a pass out into the universe. Hopefully someone else will pick it up and run with it.

I am going to read through the rest of EOD without focusing on you, becasue I feel i have a bit of a jaundiced eye, and I really don't think self pres is AI, and I can't fault you for doing so.

Plus I think I've @ed at you enough for one morning.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:48 am If am back later, after work

I'll be in and out much of the day, I have to go to the laundromat, but i'll have my phone. I hope to real time a bit. In Avengers, I felt you and Syn were bad pretty much from the start, and I let it go as paranoia since I couldn't find a hook to drill in through.

So i won't lie, could totes be paranoia here, and if you are town, I'd like to find you.

Also welcome @Lilypetal

Also "new civvie corpse"? I am not sure what your meaning is here?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:29 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 5:39 pm Also, whoever said that "SVS is the one shot vig" thing doesn't know me very well. I'm a use it or lose it gal. If I had a kill, I would have killed Michelle last night tbh.

I didn't vote out of the gate today because we all make mistakes, I'm willing to start a new day. But last night when i came in after work and saw that, "I don't know what sig said, I asked SVS and she didn't answer" (paraphrase), I was like 105% sure she was bad lol.

So I'm at a family party for the night, but I'll pop in later and be aound most of tomorrow and Sunday.

If I am asking a meta thing for a player you know better than I do, I expect an answer.
Today would be nice, since yday you were busy.

My words irl are like 'i am 110% convinced that...' it's funny how you mentioned a percentage above 100 like I am usually doing

Also I am honoured by your vig choice, but I wonder what are you doing with a new civvie corpse...

And not lastly, sorry Falcon, paranoia hit me hard yday

Re sig, yes he does make reads, he DID make reads in this game, it would have taken you less time to read them yourself than to post to me about it, like i'm the sig whisperer. That whole thing looked to me like you trying to make me look uncooperative and unhelpful, when literally you should have just read his 6 posts yourself.

I am definitely not the resident sig expert, my only real meta re sig is I don't like voting him day one since he used to get mis yeeted alot, and sometimes i feel like he tries to come across as a bit less clever than he actually is when he's bad.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:49 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 5:21 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:49 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:43 pm @S~V~S

@sig


Why are you voting Michelle?

Her lack of reads and voting for people even though she has no reads definitely seems to be a day 1 mafia unsure/having a hard time getting footing.

I don't trust ppl who have an easy time getting footing tbh.

It read to me like she was pretending to get footing, tbh.

What do you think of the mystery message saying you are Scotty are teammates?

The getting footing comment was just me being disagreeing with the idea that "not being sure what to do" = wolf that Sig was defending.

Anwering your question, I guess it's fine? I mean Im town, but I came here today expecting people to suspect me cuz I was the second vote on falcon. And I also defendes Scotty a lot. It's not the most elaborate read to make but is an obvious one.

I'm more annoyed that the person who posted that felt the need to make it in host message, rather than just coming here and saying it to our faces. Because we can't like, argue it, and use it to move the thread in other exciting directions. Also now that they have posted it here, they can't post here too without making the SK go after them. So I wouldnt post topical stuff like that in night messages, thats what Im saying.

So this is either a misguided townie or a townie with a way different opinion on what good play is than mine, or scum just messing with us. Leaning on the later tbh. I feel like a townie would want to make an actual case out of this, not a shady night post.

Yeah, I kinda felt the same. Becasue now, unless they want to get silly serial killed, it precludes them from actually making that case if it was a townie.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:50 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:39 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 8:32 pm @S~V~S you dead, girl! No posty!

I verified with the host, but I never really thought I was dead since the role that post said was not my role.

I seem to have alot of @s this AM. Will plow through them.

Please don't give role info for free. We have a soup sk.

I was just pointing out to LC why I posted, since I know that message is not true, and i can't get SSK for saying who I am not. But going forward should SSK be throwing stuff like that out there, trying to bait people to out themselves, we prolly should just ignore it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:31 am @S~V~S what happened is that Roxy put a vote on falcon out of nowhere, which people have called a vanity wagon. Then I decided I didn't like either option much (Michelle/Jack) and wanted to start a CFD of sorts, and I was also unhappy with the game's very high ratio of low posters, so I turned Roxy's vanity wagon into an actual one. Then near the end of the day, both Jack and Michelle hopped along. Don't remember who did it first.

Really? So both Michelle and Jack were self pres? Self Pres is pretty much NAI. Since it was last hour, I don't really see much shade at Rox from me either. Why would a baddie start a third wagon when they weren't one of the two options already with votes in a game with only 2 baddies? They would vote for the option that wasn't their teammate presuming the wagon was started to save someone. If there were 3 wolves, yeah, but only 2? And following her own drummer is a very Rox thing, and is pretty much NAI.

After i finish my @s I'll have to reread in context.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:28 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 5:39 pm Also, whoever said that "SVS is the one shot vig" thing doesn't know me very well. I'm a use it or lose it gal. If I had a kill, I would have killed Michelle last night tbh.

I didn't vote out of the gate today because we all make mistakes, I'm willing to start a new day. But last night when i came in after work and saw that, "I don't know what sig said, I asked SVS and she didn't answer" (paraphrase), I was like 105% sure she was bad lol.

So I'm at a family party for the night, but I'll pop in later and be aound most of tomorrow and Sunday.

svs, why does that post make you so confident on michelle...? am I missing the context as to what makes this so bad or something

I should have answered this with the last one, sorry for so many @'s

Becasue that is such a NOT town Michelle thing to say. She wouldn't trust a third party in that way as town, she'd look for herself. She could have read his 6 posts in the time it took her to make that post lol. It felt like she was trying to imply I was throwing out accusations, but then running away when confronted about it.

Like I said, I admire her town game, and I think that post was manipulative, which I don't associate with town Michelle. But TBH I think that's a not town thing to say for almost anyone.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:21 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 5:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:58 pm I don't suspect SVS at this point but there is a massive amount of lowkey disrespect for someone with a pretty damn good wolfgame.

What does this mean? It's a very twisty way to word something.

It's really not twisty lol. It's pretty straightforward

I thought the way he explained it when i asked was more straightforward. But I do that alot myself, and i don't always get nuance, and I wasnt going for shade at Jack there; I was just looking for clarity. I think it was "disrespected" that threw me off.

linki Hi @Michelle !