The Syndicate

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Also, Roxy wagon is way more pure than Creature wagon.

Shouldn’t matter. I expect wolves to bus these slots.

Sig has moved down with his recent posts. I still strongly think Falcon is town.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:12 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:04 am [VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Also, Roxy wagon is way more pure than Creature wagon.

Shouldn’t matter. I expect wolves to bus these slots.

if Roxy is a wolf this is Jack getting on early because I projected where the Oracles are going to land and he wants in on the bus. Thoughts? Or am I just full of it?

I literally gave control of my vote to another player. Tell me you’re just takin the piss.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:24 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:58 am
I also wanna yeet Rondo but it’s not the ideal play today. I’m just saying. Rondo bad.

Hahaha, got more than caveman speak on why I am bad?

I almost always feel you are town when we play together. You aren’t shining, here.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:26 am Actually.... I think I am willing to Dome Jack for that push. that felt so bad faith and disingenous and opportunistic that I am just happy to throw myself at him. It would be really bad if I lost but right now I am willing to bet the farm that Jack is wolf. No one should be pushing me this game that way.

I’m unyeetable and you aren’t going before Roxy and Creature in my book or anyone’s so have fun with that lol.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:34 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:30 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:24 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:58 am
I also wanna yeet Rondo but it’s not the ideal play today. I’m just saying. Rondo bad.

Hahaha, got more than caveman speak on why I am bad?

I almost always feel you are town when we play together. You aren’t shining, here.

You didnt reply to any of my wrestling memes. its your own fault. get rekt

I missed wrestling memes?

Claiming oracle like a day later than the actual oracle does not make you immune to being yeeted. You must punch God in the face for that power.

Now fucking kiss me you coward!

It would have been funny if I claimed oracle and said Rondo had agenda to 33% yeet the oracle but I didn’t think of it at the time.

There’s not even any wrestling memes in your iso.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:07 am oh wait i just saw that jack is actually giving control over his vote to me, falcon, and tutuu and not me and mac? @Jackofhearts2005 - why did u include falcon specifically?

Cause that was a player I think is town and I want to work with.

But if I’m being honest, I’m giving you control and then Tutuu and I’m probably not actually listening to Falcon on it. I don’t even know if he scumreads both Roxy and Creature off the top of my head.

I trust Mac but he said he isn’t gonna be around and giving him control of my vote is likely to tilt him even more so eh.

Like saying “here you go, SPF. Direct me” makes you more productive.

Saying “here you go, Mac. Direct me” makes him less productive.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:14 am and why do you think falcon is town? i don't see a clear explanation of it in your ISO

Just feels like Falcon is town. I always gutread Falcon, mostly off his give a damn. This occasionally backfires but generally, the dude has a lot more oomph behind his town game and I see that, here. He’s still trolly regardless but I get the feeling he’s hunting wolves and not coasting.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:26 am Roxy is pretty much wolf in antispew who threw a tantrum and left. idc about the rumors Roxy is a strong wolf or whatever. This is not how a town ever plays.

Jack is pretty much opportunistically capitalizing every garbage read (like Alison and me). Someone also mentioned he was heavily in wolf meta.

Sabiplz tbh should've had enough time to have catch up here. Her posts all feel half-arsed and all she got was a crappy push on me. I know town!Sabi to be more bubbly and active.

I'm gonna be pretty pissed if any of them endgame as wolves here.

This is pretty well nonsense. I was the first player after Alison or else people were after Alison in the posts I didn't even read. Neon later came up with a basically identical case to mine on Alison, that her game here was an exact mirror of her wolf game in King of the Hill. Alison was town. You can say that town Jack should know better, that town Jack shouldn't be so confident on an incorrect read. But you can't say that I was being opportunistic because I personally created the opportunity. Like, that accusation is just flat false. That didn't happen.

Same goes for the opportunism you're saying I have wrt my scumread on you. I have not voted for you all game. I have quoted multiple of your posts and explained that I think they are scummy and why. I have quoted other posts of yours and said I didn't know how I felt about them. I have quoted cases other players have made on you and said I thought they were good. I'm not just going "oh yeah, me too." I'm actually evaluating your ass. And if you go back and look at how I treated you D1? I started off saying I'd be looking into SPF for (seemingly, she had cased you earlier) naked voting for you and I said that I don't ever want you yeeted on D1 because I think you're overall pretty easy to find as town. So how is that me being opportunistic when I'm saying that I won't vote for you D1 even when I think there's a decent case on you and that I won't vote you D3 even though you're my biggest scumread if Tutuu and SPF want me to vote Roxy instead? That's the opposite of opportunism. If anything, other players should suspect that I'm your partner because the amount I'm willing to yeet you doesn't match the amount I suspect you, a classic scumtell for the general pop of mafia players.

I don't think you think I'm scummy, here. And this is knowing full well that town Creature tends to suspect town Jack for vague reasons. Because here, it's not vague reasons. It's specific reasons that are flat false.

Contrast Tutuu saying I could have tmi on wolf Alison and be bussing or that I may just have to be mafia if player x, y (,z?) are town just by the numbers or SPF saying that I treated Alison too confidently for a player who should know Alison's towngame better than that.

Those statements are all incorrect in conclusion because I am in fact town but they don't read as wolfy because they are understandable thought processes from a townie perspective.

Creature's read on me isn't understandable. It reads made up and in stark contrast from legit scumreads in this game and legit scumreads from Creature in previous games.

I want to townread Dennis pretty badly. Dennis has a cute avatar and Dennis is a kid (teen? early twenties? whatever) who doesn't have a whole bunch of mafia experience. He does look kinda townie shiny.

There are a few posts (I can go back and get them if there's demand for that content and will likely have to for my own read if we're both alive later in the game) that Dennis has made wherein he has reads that seem a bit too easy or ill considered that ping me as potential wolf lies. It's really easy to excuse those as newbie/youngin indicative, not scum indicative. My main reason for even thinking of them is that there are 5 wolves, here, and if my other reads or correct, I have 2 wolves (Roxy, Creature), 5 townies (SPF, Mac, Tutuu, Falcon, Lucy) with a larger pile of players closer to null (Sig, Rondo, Seanzie, Porscha, Sabi, Bereft, Wilgy) and idk are there 3 wolves in that pile? People are saying Bereft is good. I kinda townread Seanzie. I did townread Sig. Alison was pretty damn sure Sabi's slot is town. Rondo's replies last night were actually kinda good. Like....I might need another wolf and Dennis is a possibility.

Still, I overall have a townlean on Dennis. Sometimes, I want to townread a player because I like them on a personal level or it would mean the game was way easier. I think I want to believe Dennis is a townie because Dennis is a townie, if that makes sense.

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:13 pm Re: Creature

A lot of people have sussed him and I didn't get it. So I went thru ISO a little while ago and still found nothing. It looked like, what I imagined townies would be like when Kate explained the concept of mafia to me. Nothing exceptional (sorry creature), but still attempting to help town via giving reads, having conversations, etc.

So I looked at the arguments against him and like 92.67% of them are 'This doesn't look like town Creature.' So I'm in this weird position where I:
a) Think Creature is town
b) Want to trust everyone else
c) Don't have the experience with him to know if he's out of town range and in wolf range

So I'm in this silly little situation where I don't want to take a hard position on how I feel about him and I'm not too sure where to go from here

Like this just reads pure. In a w!Dennis, t!Creature world, a wolf COULD say these things because they want to look like they're going against the grain when Creature flips town without actually stopping his misyeet. There's a possibility wolf Dennis says that. But I don't think that's what we're looking at. I think this is real evaluation and a real thought from a town player who is really struggling with his read on Creature and the opposing threadstate.

@everyone

Talk to me about my closer to null players. Who has a strong opinion on Sabi/Porscha/Wilgy/Seanzie/Sig/Rondo? Who should I be smart enough to townread and take out of this pile?

Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:29 pm @everyone

Talk to me about my closer to null players. Who has a strong opinion on Sabi/Porscha/Wilgy/Seanzie/Sig/Rondo? Who should I be smart enough to townread and take out of this pile?

Should I assume I was dropped upwards from the pile?

No, I just forgot you lol

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:32 pm Have at it, folks. My body is ready. My mind is clear. Not really because I have homework I still have to do. But come at me anyways.

[Insert badass gif of someone standing menacingly preparing for a fight or smth here]

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:52 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:49 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:43 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:41 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:38 am

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:35 am This checks out, if we still assume you count as IC because you lied about being oracle (which I very much question why that decision was made but okay)

I do think you genuinely believe everyone thinks you're town because you CC'd so sure, you can be town. For now.

I have two claims to IC this game one of them is oracle

I don't think I want to open this can of worms

I LIED YES I DO AAAAGAGAGAGAG what are those claims

If you cant figure them out then you dont get to know SON

That's mildly frustrating but I also don't think I care enough to figure it out so I think I'll just let this cultivate attention. Maybe someone else can tell me cuz I'm not about to do both that and this french homework

Lucy claimed day 1

Rondo counter claimed and everyone is saying “he’s trolling” and ignoring it. Which honestly is ridiculous we should be voting him out for counter claiming a Cleared town and a acting as if he’s lock town

Yikes.gif

I think that claim is 100% NAI but I don’t like someone in the suspect pool pushing someone else in the suspect pool for bad reasons.

Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:30 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:24 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:58 am
I also wanna yeet Rondo but it’s not the ideal play today. I’m just saying. Rondo bad.

Hahaha, got more than caveman speak on why I am bad?

I almost always feel you are town when we play together. You aren’t shining, here.

Also Seanzie did that Twist thing earlier where they expressed Roxy's exact concern about Dennis and then voted Kate.

Are you…confusing Rondo and Seanzie?

When I’m talking to Rondo about Rondo, you chime in about 3 other players and idk what that has to do with the post you quoted lol.

Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:26 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:24 pm @sig I did come back, you not reading beige giving thoughts is a bad look for you.

Lucy saying I was frozen is odd considering we had exchanges when I did come back and vote

I don't understand Roxy's incentive to say this as a wolf.

This post gets made because Roxy is tilted at any claims that they left.
I'll go and peruse this section to check.

I don’t get why that’s town indicative.

W!Roxy is light shading Sig (distancing? fucking maybe) and defending against Lucy. Why would a wolf not make that post? Idgi.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:27 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:52 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:49 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:43 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:41 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:38 am

I have two claims to IC this game one of them is oracle

I don't think I want to open this can of worms

I LIED YES I DO AAAAGAGAGAGAG what are those claims

If you cant figure them out then you dont get to know SON

That's mildly frustrating but I also don't think I care enough to figure it out so I think I'll just let this cultivate attention. Maybe someone else can tell me cuz I'm not about to do both that and this french homework

Lucy claimed day 1

Rondo counter claimed and everyone is saying “he’s trolling” and ignoring it. Which honestly is ridiculous we should be voting him out for counter claiming a Cleared town and a acting as if he’s lock town

Yikes.gif

I think that claim is 100% NAI but I don’t like someone in the suspect pool pushing someone else in the suspect pool for bad reasons.

Nah, that’s a solid reason to push someone you don’t counterclaim an IC, then act like an IC, without it being brought up

Nobody believes he's serious, though, so it doesn't matter. Like if he was trying to get us to yeet Lucy, okay, but as is, it's not a real CC because he doesn't want to yeet Lucy so it's nothing. You're trying to shade a player over nothing.

Lol shush.

SPF, should I move to Creature? I gave you Tutuu override.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:53 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:52 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:49 pm How about Roxy/Kate/Jack/Wilgy/Tutuu .

Where's creature

Over there being a town.

Can you not flip to townreads on all my scumreads at EOD?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:55 pm [VOTE: jack] aubergine

Smh.

You're better than that but whatever.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:20 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:17 pm @Seanzie @Creature talk to be about SPF

If there aren't at least two wolves in SPF/Mac/Bereft, the game makes no sense.

Lemme stop you right there.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:28 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:26 pm Seanzie your appraisal of this gamestate is egregious. Bereft and SPF are the only people whose reads actually make sense. Why are you pushing into us 3 and not Jack/Tutuu/Wilgy and other actual wolfy players?

If multiple days go by with a rockstar twoncore and no wolves die, the rockstar towncore is rotten.

And no shots in the rockstar towncore either.

I don't want to jetison my reads but I feel like I'm lemminging off a cliff.

If I'm gonna hold onto one read, it's "SPF town."

If I'm gonna hold onto two reads, the other is "Creature wolf."

But that's like....exactly the status quo that wolves don't care at all to upset. Game is hard.

Seanzie and Falcon, sell me on SPF being a wolf.

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:24 pm How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.

WHY is Tutuu a wolf?

Like if I'm jetisoning a strong townread, it's Mac, not SPF or Tutuu. Mac has been erratic and thrown out random accusations.

But why aren't any of those three dead? I didn't miss another mass redirect did I?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:23 pm Seanzie and Falcon, sell me on SPF being a wolf.

I'm not selling anything, I picked a player out of 3 that were presented.

Okay. Why SPF about of those three then?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:26 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:24 pm How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.

WHY is Tutuu a wolf?

Maybe you should read the game you're pretending to try and solve

Such hostility.

I voted Creature and then immediately unvoted. Idk what to do.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:23 pm Seanzie and Falcon, sell me on SPF being a wolf.

I'm not going to do that. I know I can't outargue the heavy hitters out there, and I've learned enough from mafia that when I'm the underdog in these sorts of situations, I shouldn't even try to case them, it will be torn to shreds and it will be written off by the town.

I leave it to you to convince yourself, or them to slip up.

SPF was my top townread yesterday. Obviously, there's something wrong in my worldview but "lol case them yourself" is not helpful.

I think you and Falcon are town anyway. Cause I don't think wolves do this. But gah if it is SPF, I'm not gonna get there on my own cause I don't see anything that looks dishonest as opposed to just wrong.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:36 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:27 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:22 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:02 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:35 pm Seanzie/SPF/Falcon does probably in fact contain exactly one wolf was the only thing I gathered overnight.

Sean is starting to ping me. I feel he's laying an undue amount of burden at Mac's feet...and he talks about a rotten towncore, but is he not part of said core? It's not as tho he's been a major wagon or anything

I'm not laying an undue amount of burden at Mac's feet. My burden is with the group {SPF, Mac, Bereft}. I don't think the burden I've placed on that group as a whole is undue.

Of those 3, I choose SPF.

why?

What's your solve right now? Who are your top 3 sus and why plz?

my current view of the game is that i would be mildly surprised if the pool of sabi/creature/jack didn't contain at least two mafia

sabi because sabi is very talented at projecting towniness/solveiness when they are town, and they also have a tendency to get extremely invested into games when they are town and post a lot of content/thoughts without needing to think much about them

whereas sabi here feels a lot more timid, a lot less invested, and it feels like they are choosing their words carefully in the majority of posts that they do make. i think that if sabi was town, it would be eaiser to find them as town right now, which is why i want more pressure on them today in general

creature is in my immediate POE because he fits the archetype of a wolf who has aggressively pushed for the consensus while maintaining a comfortable/protected view in the gamestate. his reads have consistently contained a level of confidence and bravado that do not feel proportional to his solving, and that also do not feel proportional to how creature usually solves games as town

im also pretty convinced that if creature was town he would be throwing a fit about me/mac needing to be deepwolves right now instead of just kind of passively sitting back in the gamestate and voting me without really expressing a particularly coherent view of the game. i think creature's passivity in this gamestate could be explained by him just wanting us to continue burying each other alive

jack because his push on alison on d1 was illogical and bad faith, and the type of stuff he pushed on alison for is not the stuff i think jack!town would care about as someone who was already very familiar with alison. i also think that his primary intention for the last phase has been to pocket me, sit back, and watch us set ourselves on fire

im working it out beyond that but i think bereft/tutuu contains 1 and that it is likely to be tutuu

SPF, if it's me and Creature and the towncore of SPF/Tutuu/Mac is all townies...why the fuck did we shoot Rondo?

I said I wanted to kill Creature yesterday. I said I'd kill Roxy if the towncore said so. And they did so we did.

I'm not avoiding responsibility for that. I voted Roxy. I didn't case someone else.

But thinking it's me and Creature is so blatantly wrong it's kinda gross.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:40 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:36 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:27 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:22 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:02 pm

Sean is starting to ping me. I feel he's laying an undue amount of burden at Mac's feet...and he talks about a rotten towncore, but is he not part of said core? It's not as tho he's been a major wagon or anything

I'm not laying an undue amount of burden at Mac's feet. My burden is with the group {SPF, Mac, Bereft}. I don't think the burden I've placed on that group as a whole is undue.

Of those 3, I choose SPF.

why?

What's your solve right now? Who are your top 3 sus and why plz?

my current view of the game is that i would be mildly surprised if the pool of sabi/creature/jack didn't contain at least two mafia

sabi because sabi is very talented at projecting towniness/solveiness when they are town, and they also have a tendency to get extremely invested into games when they are town and post a lot of content/thoughts without needing to think much about them

whereas sabi here feels a lot more timid, a lot less invested, and it feels like they are choosing their words carefully in the majority of posts that they do make. i think that if sabi was town, it would be eaiser to find them as town right now, which is why i want more pressure on them today in general

creature is in my immediate POE because he fits the archetype of a wolf who has aggressively pushed for the consensus while maintaining a comfortable/protected view in the gamestate. his reads have consistently contained a level of confidence and bravado that do not feel proportional to his solving, and that also do not feel proportional to how creature usually solves games as town

im also pretty convinced that if creature was town he would be throwing a fit about me/mac needing to be deepwolves right now instead of just kind of passively sitting back in the gamestate and voting me without really expressing a particularly coherent view of the game. i think creature's passivity in this gamestate could be explained by him just wanting us to continue burying each other alive

jack because his push on alison on d1 was illogical and bad faith, and the type of stuff he pushed on alison for is not the stuff i think jack!town would care about as someone who was already very familiar with alison. i also think that his primary intention for the last phase has been to pocket me, sit back, and watch us set ourselves on fire

im working it out beyond that but i think bereft/tutuu contains 1 and that it is likely to be tutuu

SPF, if it's me and Creature and the towncore of SPF/Tutuu/Mac is all townies...why the fuck did we shoot Rondo?

Stop being obnoxious.

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:41 pm We shot Rondo because he is the most obvious town and everybody and their momma has been tinfoiling Mac/SPF/Bereft all of yesterday.

If anyone slipped, it's this.

Part of me wants to just yeet Creature for not being his normal self. Part of me sees him as the most obvious misyeet ever. Game is really really hard.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:47 pm Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Help me please?

That’s a question because there’s a question mark at the end.

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

Like I don’t feel Mac legit trying to read me in particular.

Sig being like “ofc we should yeet Robdo for the CC” and then coming in today like “I told you so” when he blatantly told us something incorrect is pretty yuck.

But if Sig is trying to set Rondo up for a misyeet, why shoot Rondo?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:47 pm Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Help me please?

That’s a question because there’s a question mark at the end.

I need help as well.

Can you explain what has happened in this game from your pov please and ty

Alison was bad at this game.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?