The Syndicate

But really, it’s gotta be LLD at this point.

[VOTE: LLD] aubergine

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:25 pm The best vote I can see at this time is LLD. I'm still bothered by Mac voting for her when he didn't bus anyone in his other votes but no one else feels like scum. What are the reasons for not voting her?

Crippling self doubt?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:22 am There's also a chance Texas Cloverleaf was scum if we assume Mac janitored the kill that night and it was redirected. Commuter might account for that (I'm not sure exactly how this role works here).

The other problem with this theory is that Mac was lynched and then TL was killed. So there's still a wolf alive regardless. Someone (Iaafr?) theorized that Texas could have been the other mason if not Eva. So the only thing that chances if the kill got redirected to a wolf is that the second mason is still alive.

With Texas probably as the other mason.

Cop - Possibly Michelle
Tracker - Nova
Watcher
Doctor
Independent Cop - Colin
Commuter
Mason - Spiny/Boo,
Doublevoter - Nutella
Redirector - Vanity
Vigilante - TL
Jailkeeper - Nanook
Vanilla

Janitor - Mac
Role Cop - Eva
Godfather - Drago
Strongman - LC
Roleblocker - Elephant
Vanilla

3rd Party Independent - Presumably Radishes

Something like that.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:18 am Or maybe it was, but it's more than a missed night kill.

That's what I'm thinking.

Doctor's probably out of shots but a randomized or poorly thought out kill is more likely to target the commuter twice.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:19 pm It is ILLEGAL to claim a role publicly in this game at any time, under any circumstances. Likewise it is ILLEGAL to reveal publicly the results of any role abilities you possess.

“Publicly reveal” is in the eye of the beholder, which is again why I’m not a fan of vague “no claiming or infodumping” rules.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:26 pm You know, the only thing that bothers me is Colin right before he was lynched said Radishes was 3P in his opinion - why wouldn't he say "Guys, Radishes is the 3P" - he knew he was about to be lynched and his role would be seen by all of us.

Anyway, I am thinking the scum is more dangerous than the 3p. Maybe that is foolish but its the way I'm thinking.

It’s like strictly illegal to say that right?

Agreed.

The advantage to lynching Radishes today is that it probably stops a poison.

The disadvantage to lynching Radishes is that we know he won’t flip wolf, the poison might actually help us, we lose Radishes’ hunting and we don’t know if we need to lynch him at all.

It’s good to have the role pinpointed in case the game doesn’t end after we lynch the wolf but that’s it.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:44 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:16 am for being 3p

112 town
iaafr town
Jackofhearts2005 town
juliets town
Lady Lambdadelta town
Long Con scum
MacDougall town
Master Radishes town but leading 3p candidate
Pawn Lelouch scum
Quin scum
Rej / ColinIsCool town
Trustworthy Liberal town

8 v 3 v 1

if we kill 3p, 6v3 worst case if he gets another kill today (3p kill is very likely poison due to eva death)

which is still one extra ML

if we fail to kill 3p, it rly depends on how much kill power per phase he has. which is what TL has been saying.

radishes is the leading 3p candidate unless somebody else wants to put forward another theory.

He’s the last 3P candidate after me (because my 3P game is just memes memes memes).

Nutella and Eva were very townread with Radish being a clear outlier in scumreading Eva.

Town Radish could shoot (poison) Eva because he suspected her.

3P Radish would be happy to push impotently on Eva all day. If he shoots her and she’s town, he’s way more likely to be lynched. If he shoots her and she’s scum, he’s way more likely to be nightkilled.

Ergo, Radish is not a third party killer/poisoner.

I swear I laid this out earlier and I swear you said you read me.

I don’t think it matters what Eva flipped as. The entire association with Eva, followed by killing her, immediately leads you to your conclusion (except I don’t see a world where Radishes is lynched if Eva flips town). It’s a savvy move by a savvy player but you got fooled bud.

Well that’s really hard to argue with.

Jack: No idea who the 3P player is except probably not Radishes or Juliets.
Colin: I copped Radishes and he’s 3P.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:21 pm Furthermore: I looked at the role list earlier and saw confirmation of an Independent Cop. Presumably, they’d be breadcrumbing if they found an indie. And I can’t think of anybody else who has come under real suspicion as a 3P but Radishes.

Hell, Radishes has been a suspect for so long that it’s almost guaranteed that the cop checked them, imo. If he’s not the 3P then the cop should be making up a better defense or directing us to someone else because otherwise they’ve let this get out of hand.

Lol this guy.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:47 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:37 pm @Pawn Lelouch out of those 3, do you have anyone that stands out to you as scum?

Hm, LLD is the easy route but I need to look over Jack again.

Eva defended him hard in the lower levels when everyone was scum reading him. The argument that literally no one was TRing him so he must be town isn't a good one but there was a significant amount of people I was scumreading there and his posting picked up soon after so I didn't push on it.

While it could be her creating false flip associations Jack never struck me as the hardest town regardless and fits within my viewpoint of the TL kill. I need to ISO him + TL more to see his arguments and TL's views to fully decide but I should be boarding the plane soon and thus don't have the proper amount of time.

Wait actually I do remember this. It was weird. I went from nobody scumreading me to everyone scumreading me to nobody scumreading me without being present. D2 iirc.

I didn’t realize Eva defended me either.

Lol at no kill and resolving both our top wagons yesterday.

Also lol at being wrong on both.

I’m not at all sure of my vote but what can ya do?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:25 pm I bet Jack is scum.

I’m trying really hard to buddy you.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:16 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:15 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:09 pm Pawn’s theory is sound except for the loud announcement of randomized kill in the case of no mafia kill submission. So less like “the wolf is in Jack/Juliets/112” and more like “the wolf is probably not Colin.”

So you are saying I should change my vote. Any suggestions?

At this point, I think Pawn is the 3P.

I suspected him D2 of being blendy. Him coming in with a POE of players not likely to be lynched is pretty convenient.

I still buy the “wolves thought Michelle was the cop weather she was or not” theory so if that’s wrong, we probably don’t have a chance of getting the wolf.

I seem to be alone in that read too.

I agree with the theory that the wolves thought Michelle was the cop even if she wasn't. What was the rest of that theory?

That Pawn and Quin can’t be wolves.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:09 pm Pawn’s theory is sound except for the loud announcement of randomized kill in the case of no mafia kill submission. So less like “the wolf is in Jack/Juliets/112” and more like “the wolf is probably not Colin.”

So you are saying I should change my vote. Any suggestions?

At this point, I think Pawn is the 3P.

I suspected him D2 of being blendy. Him coming in with a POE of players not likely to be lynched is pretty convenient.

I still buy the “wolves thought Michelle was the cop weather she was or not” theory so if that’s wrong, we probably don’t have a chance of getting the wolf.

I seem to be alone in that read too.

Pawn’s theory is sound except for the loud announcement of randomized kill in the case of no mafia kill submission. So less like “the wolf is in Jack/Juliets/112” and more like “the wolf is probably not Colin.”

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:46 pm I wish Jack would come on, I know he's at work but I want to know what he's thinking.

I’m actually at Chuck ee Cheese.

May God have mercy on your soul.

There are only two real video games here and I’ve beaten them several times. Zack is learning to air hockey though so that’s cool.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:46 pm I wish Jack would come on, I know he's at work but I want to know what he's thinking.

I’m actually at Chuck ee Cheese.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:09 am I have to upgrade my system software so if I never come back you'll know something went wrong.

Five year’s later....


Whatever happened to Juliets? She was fun.

She upgraded her system software and I guess it didn’t work out.

I isoed Rej and Colin and landed on town. Everyone else seems to suspect Colin. What am I missing here?

Maybe it should just be two this time?

Lynch: LLD, 112
Don’t lynch: Quin, Colin

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:36 pm Like ideally, we lynch someone who could be a wolf or 3P (aka who could be a wolf cause everybody could be 3P).

So I’m leaning towards 112 or LLD.

How bout I make a chart again?

Like ideally, we lynch someone who could be a wolf or 3P (aka who could be a wolf cause everybody could be 3P).

So I’m leaning towards 112 or LLD.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:38 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:36 pm There's too much riding on activity/engagement levels, which is impossible to read correctly.

Let's lynch one of the slankers to teach them all a lesson.

Out of the slankers I would pick Colin.

I’d pick LLD if I was looking for a slanking wolf between her, Pawn, Quin and Colin.

For third party? Fuckifino.

That’s not clearer.

Clearing for Quin based on Quin’s meta.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:28 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:09 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:43 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:39 pm Hey Nutella, Macdougall - who from the syndicate contingent should I be watching out for here?

in which i break from my ISOthing of my Mac Group to point out this post and proclaim wholeheartedly that evenstar is bad and should be lynched immediately

[VOTE: evenstar] aubergine

This is one of Quin's first posts. He's still town.

Eh. Some wolves bus early for later towncred. Dunno that it clears him at all, unless it's a meta read on wolf!Quin.

I guess for me that Quin post comes off as "I was doing my thing and then I saw that Eva post and must stop and say she is absolutely scum". I know he could have faked that but that kind of fakiness isn't what I usually see from Quin.

Yeah, that was my point.

Not that it alone was clearing but rather clearing for Quin.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:21 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:06 pm Anyway, she spent the whole game tunneling townies, mostly Nutella. All I'm getting out of this is she's not the one who killed Nutella because if she could, LLD would have done it way earlier.

I'm wondering if the nutella kill wasn't 3P? TL said it was, since he was the Vig and knew it wasn't him. But there hasn't been a similar kill since.

Maybe the mafia got an extra kill for 'winning' Limbo or something. Not sure why they'd spend it on nutella, though.

Yeah, that’s a definite possibility. Eva surviving “lylo” had to do something. Eva and LLD kept voting Nutella but it wasn’t going anywhere. I tend to think scum are generally okay with pushing in a bad direction forever but idk.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:45 pm Pawn or Radishes imho.

As 3P or wolf and why?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:43 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:39 pm Hey Nutella, Macdougall - who from the syndicate contingent should I be watching out for here?

in which i break from my ISOthing of my Mac Group to point out this post and proclaim wholeheartedly that evenstar is bad and should be lynched immediately

[VOTE: evenstar] aubergine

This is one of Quin's first posts. He's still town.

So I isoed LLD and it turns out, she's got multiple personalities.

That's not a snarky comment. She's literally signing one of four different names for the top half of her iso.

Anyway, she spent the whole game tunneling townies, mostly Nutella. All I'm getting out of this is she's not the one who killed Nutella because if she could, LLD would have done it way earlier.

[mention]juliets[/mention]

I'm going to need you to cancel your vacation because Pawn, Quin, Colin and LLD are all barely playing and the Radishes, 112 and I are going to be bored without you.

In other news, after looking at the role list, I'm taking back my agreement with the "independent cop and independent were always at the same level" idea. We've spent about half the game at DL1 so those roles would be together anyway. Plus, clearing a player of being the independent isn't worthless/bastard.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:13 pm I kinda feel like the only potential mafia members are LLD and 112 but as far as third party goes, the poe is like 3/4ths of the players.

Also, we came back on D5 (lynch Hyena iirc) there was a poison death D6 (Eva with an Elephant lynch), D7 was the Epi lynch, D8 had another poison death (Iaafr while LC was lynched), and D9 was the Mac lynch.

So there’s a strong possibility of a poison death today.

Sure you're not TMIing?

I don't think you are--just checking.

I’m just really really good at math.

I kinda feel like the only potential mafia members are LLD and 112 but as far as third party goes, the poe is like 3/4ths of the players.

Also, we came back on D5 (lynch Hyena iirc) there was a poison death D6 (Eva with an Elephant lynch), D7 was the Epi lynch, D8 had another poison death (Iaafr while LC was lynched), and D9 was the Mac lynch.

So there’s a strong possibility of a poison death today.

I’m not not not not not not not not claiming 3P if you know what I mean.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:22 pm My read on Mac is only, I dunno, 50%.

But I don't have a higher read than that. Maybe Pawn at an equal 50% as well. I'm willing to test those waters as well.

I think Mac is the right lynch here.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

Bolded*

I said the bolder bit about Epi in DL3 part 2 and Epi told me I was wrong.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:41 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:33 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:24 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:06 pm @Trustworthy Liberal why in the heck did you vote for Epi?

I'm not after you this phase though, it's Macdougall that needs to be lynched this round.

Oh fucking please you literally posted that you knew Epi would flip town.

Of course I knew and so did you. He was OBVIOUSLY town. How long have you been playing with him? How could you not recognize him as town? Do you remember saying this Day 5?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:16 pm I really don't understand the suspicion towards Epi. This is just Epi.

How in the blue hell was he "obviously' town.

Because he was producing a shit ton of content which scum Epi doesn't normally do in my experience. All the stuff people didn't like was, as you said, just Epi being Epi. And if you didn't know from that you sure as hell should have known by how there was nothing going on during EOD. That signals a town lynch and you are savvy enough to know that.

Bolded is a stone faced lie.

Also I have seen many scum lynches go down without movement at EOD.

I don't care what you say Mac you knew he was town. Lynch me, then if people don't believe me now they will sure believe me then.

This is the strongest argument for a Mac lynch. I suspected Epi at points but I also townread him at points (same for Iaafr).

Mac pushed Epi and never doubted himself. Yeah, Epi has bad interactions with flipped scum. He also had some real townie looking posts. There’s a reason I voted no lynch at DL3 part 2 (Dom/Epi/Iaafr/Jack). There’s a reason I didn’t vote Epi when we came back to DL1.

Mac knows Epi as well as me and Juliets do. Town!Mac shouldn’t have been so “sure,” otherwise good tone be damned.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:40 pm You know what, normally I hold off voting for awhile, but [VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine.

His voting record is just so bad. Most of all, being on Hyena the day Elephant was lynched (beside Eva and Pawn). If he's just a townie not paying much attention, I sort of figure he'd at least have followed the crowd on a scum lynch somewhere.

K. Not super convincing at face value (maybe just cause I didn’t vote any of the dead wolves) but townMac has been known to have stupid good instincts, especially early on so fair point.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:58 am [VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

Bye.

Cool. Cool cool cool cool.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:28 am

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:52 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:01 am

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:22 am[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Why.

Maybe I'm reaction fishing and you ruin it when you put the onus back on me.

You don't have the town equity to reaction fish.

Lol.

[mention]juliets[/mention]
[mention]112[/mention]
[mention]master radishes[/mention]

I’m not gonna finish these in all likelihood. What is your biggest reason for suspecting Mac?

Rej wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:46 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:56 am

Rej wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:31 am

Just skimmed again through million of posts and forgot half of the content.
I will just relax as I rly have a bad day today and I wasted my energy into carrying home the Cats/Dogs game with Novas and Speedchuck

Here some crappy GTH reads to satisfy your hunger:

Nutella - good
Michelle - good
Sprityo - good
the guy with the rabbit avatar - good

I have no clue who this guy is but this entrance instantly makes me hate him

You leave Rej alone he’s a nice person and I like his emojis.

thank you


@Evenstar
2 options you really are scum and you just mention my obviously scummy behaviour to set up something going on against me
or you are a honest civillian who saw my bad play and simply questions me, but then still harshly puts a bad read on me because of a fucking D0 ISO.
Youu will be surprised, my D0 Iso really is bullshit.

So which option?

@Michelle
I think you have some too high expectations of me, I didn't meant to cause confusion with bullcrap-reads.
I skimmed through and I still have 4 pages to read, but I highly think you are a civillian who is putting much effort into game.

I didn't sign up here to give my 100% effort and catch up 1000 posts twice each to ensure I got everything + doing ISOs.

I am glad I rolled a pedestrian role to hang up in the civillisation so don't mind me too much, I will try to play clean and fun.

Since my min effort + new faces I am not able to generate reads on wolves, feel free to slaughter me or integrate me into towncore.

I will go sleep for now and I will catch up alot tomorrow...rly alot I feel, anyway good night, and tag me if anything.

I initially had a townread on Rej. I can’t explain it but this post feels like it has an innocent mentality behind it.

I’m not taking Eva’s words here to mean much. We already know she can be mean to teammates. The push seems personal, not alignment based.

And that’s basically it for Rej.

You’re gonna have to take my word I’m not making up Colin posts cause I ain’t screenshotting and uploading all this on mobile.

Colin enters with some basic catchup posts, setup questions, requests for clarification and never mind I found it myselfs.

So. Obviously I’m missing like a trillion pages of context but out of THIS thread I like the contributions of Radishes, Michelle, Epignosis, MacDougall and Pawn Lelouch.

Since others have remarked though I am curious to have this on record: if you’ve played with Epi before/recently what do you make of him taking the reins and ISOing?

Also for the record I’m not going to be the one to copy his posts since I am on mobile.

Lol relatable final line.
Decent look. I’m of the current opinion that none of the players Colin lists are wolves except maybe Mac.

Colin wrote:

Mac wrote:Hallo Colin good chum! Welcome to fucktown.

Thanks Mac. I’ve got little to no clue what’s going on so if you’re bad and want to pocket me feel free.

Feels innocent. Mac then calls him cute.

Some mechanical talk with Eva I won’t quote.

Oh this is kinda good.

Michelle (paraphrased) wrote:I want more from Rej/Colin.

Colin wrote:I’ll do my best but I think I missed upwards of 80 pages (at least) of content that all of this phase’s content is predicated on, so ...

I’ll reiterate that I find myself agreeing most strenuously with Mister Radishes, to the extent that I can grasp matters.

Eva wrote:stop impersonating elephant and give me some real reasoning, even if it sucks.

Colin wrote:Prompt me in a direction and I’ll do my best. I am struggling a little with the rules because there’s only one person I want to vote for really.

Okay so this looks whatever from Colin’s perspective. But from Eva’s?

Elephant is a Mendel alt and this was not revealed to me until after we got back to DL1. So Eva doesn’t “know” Elephant on paper. So she’s talking about Elephant this game, who is her partner, and comparing Colin to that. Maybe I’m reading too much into this and she’s just also calling Colin cute but it feels like seed planting.

Eva asks Colin for reads on 112, LLD, Dom. (My phone continues to want to autocorrect Dom to DoK to Dropped off kiddos. Love you love you. I must add him to the dictionary.)

colin wrote:112: tough to get a read on because there is so much that I clearly missed for there to be a huge wagon. One thing in their favor though is that if they were scum I would expect scum to sacrifice them rather than the Godfather, right? Based on content in this thread so far I am null.

Dom: felt like the civ Dom I have seen before, with more GIFs. I understood where he was coming from eventually. Tentative thumbs up

LLD: not enough content, just a lot of GIFs and complaining. Lean more wolf than not because a wolf would prob be more predisposed toward complaining if their Godfather got lynched but that’s pretty much all I got

This is fine too.


Generally getting a town Colin vibe here.

Cutting this short in the interest of time.

112’s iso is a lot of me being like “this is a meh interaction with a wolf” or “this is an accusation that doesn’t go anywhere (for players of both alignments).”

There’s definitely potential agenda in their posts but not to the extent I saw it in end of WC1, where I was shouting at Mac to vote for them.

Overall, I’m neither compelled to take them out of the POE or vote them today.

Moving on.

We’re going 112, Colin, LLD, Mac.

Off for the day and the next week so I finally have time to do them isos I’ve been promising.

Even if she was was damn certain he was a fuzzy town rabbit, it doesn’t help her at all to kill him from a protown or lms or stall 3P perspective.