Inception [END]

[iaafr]

i am resisting the urge to tunnel colin at the same time and i think its probably wrong to tunnel colin. one at a time. long con is the target.

[iaafr]

i am also resisting the urge to tunnel jack and call his eod analysis mechanical and one-dimensional based on voting me = good not voting me = bad.

theres glimpses of maybe town in jack. long con is the lock scum in my eyes.

[iaafr]

i wont oppose jack though

i would oppose lld, 112, juliets, mac, and TL as of rn

radishes really could still be 3p that we have to take care of at some point because scum arent doing it for us but still not my priority

long con #1 desired wagon
quin #2

control f "hyena" in the 2nd page of quin's iso

his vote on hyena is terrible

[iaafr]

vanity had great reads this game tbh ive just been isoing him

only misclear d1 was eva and potentially jack but its probably not jack its probably just longcon/quin/pawn

[iaafr]

to be clear though the above 4 mentioned (jack/longcon/quin/pawn) are my bottom 4 in my personal readslist and hopefully we dont have to kill radishes the 3p but we might have to idk somebody else deal with the mechanics

long con is the most obvious scum

quin is the 2nd most obvious scum

pawn is the 3rd most obvious scum unless he manages to town himself but i dont think he even has time to but hopefully he does in 3 phases idk

you guys deal with the rest, but trust me on these

[iaafr]

ultimately when i keep rereading jack i think hes town

will keep checking this feeling over and over

[iaafr]

[mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention] ignore earlier mention now i want you to vote in long con / quin

[mention]Lady LambdaDelta[/mention] [mention]112[/mention] [mention]juliets[/mention] [mention]Trustworthy Liberal[/mention]

the wagons should be long con / quin. iso both, theyre short, and agree on one of them.

i dont think it's possible that i'm wrong on both

[iaafr]

though ive also been thinking and maybe radishes just has to die today.

[iaafr]

for being 3p

112 town
iaafr town
Jackofhearts2005 town
juliets town
Lady Lambdadelta town
Long Con scum
MacDougall town
Master Radishes town but leading 3p candidate
Pawn Lelouch scum
Quin scum
Rej / ColinIsCool town
Trustworthy Liberal town

8 v 3 v 1

if we kill 3p, 6v3 worst case if he gets another kill today (3p kill is very likely poison due to eva death)

which is still one extra ML

if we fail to kill 3p, it rly depends on how much kill power per phase he has. which is what TL has been saying.

radishes is the leading 3p candidate unless somebody else wants to put forward another theory.

[iaafr]

i just briefly thought about TL actually being the 3p but i dont see a reason for him to out the theory and try to frame radishes fruitlessly so early.

[iaafr]

please read the bottom half of page 198 everybody

[Master Radishes]

long con is now the lockest scum in the phase and i am never rescinding this read

Narrator: an hour later, iaafr rescinded this read.



But actually I'm intrigued by this. I was TRing him for seeming reasonably solvey, but nothing locked him in to that. I'll have to reread.

[Master Radishes]

i just briefly thought about TL actually being the 3p but i dont see a reason for him to out the theory and try to frame radishes fruitlessly so early.

Had similar thoughts. I'm a bit concerned he immediately seemed to identify the nutella kill as a 3P kill. I don't know that it was? It seems TMI perhaps, so either Vig or 3P or scum, and he's not dead yet so maybe scum?

[Master Radishes]

i think pawn is the safest copout lynch but i need to find a scum other than him today and he might not even be scum except he probably is

This summarises my thoughts on Pawn.

[iaafr]

i dont think TL is scum. 3p at worst, probably town.

[Master Radishes]

I'm at work and should be doing that, but I'll iso LC when I get home. It would fit well in terms of wagonomics.

[iaafr]

mainly because him being scum seems incompatible with long con being scum and long con is lock scum

and i kind of feel like the 3p wouldve gone down layers rather than stayed in the caffeine crew? kinda baseless feeling i havent investigated the flavor and dont really intend to maybe [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] has thoughts on that

[Master Radishes]

i dont think TL is scum. 3p at worst, probably town.

His votes on vanity were bussy.

[iaafr]

what do you mean?

[iaafr]

part of me wants to say screw the 3p hunt lets just try to kill the scumteam

the part of me that wants to maximize winning chances is rly scared radishes just needs to die and even more scared its not radishes who needs to die and we have no clue who the 3p is

[iaafr]

only lead is trying to figure out who would want to kill eva

[iaafr]

ugh im flip flopping on long con again i just wanna kill quin smh

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

smh

[iaafr]

stared at long con iso for another 5 minutes or so

the thing that bothers me about him is how from my reads hes just mostly trying to find ways to call town scum: me, dom, epi, juliets mainly, but also TL.

but i dont really feel conviction that any of us are scum

he makes a case on why juliets looks bad, because juliets defended elephant at some points and didn't have the best reads

but it seems too surface level and he doesnt care enough about it to stay on it instead of voting epi

i mean i assume scum were on epi over me regardless of the fact that im town because he'd seem like a more valuable ml

long con just has elephant and drago cred

but mendel couldve been asking to be bussed

hm i need to re-examine his elephant progression

but im finally going to sleep now

[Master Radishes]

what do you mean?

I mean he sheeped elephant's case without much thought visibly put into it. He just sort of agreed and kept pushing whenever he popped into the thread.

Perhaps this is actually very townie. LC defended vanity. Juliets flip flopped hut in a way I felt made it seem she cared how she looked.

Okay, never mind TL for now.

[Master Radishes]

only lead is trying to figure out who would want to kill eva

Well me, duh. But that's why I should be disqualified, imo. Too obvious.

Probably it's someone who showed mild agreement with my tunnel but didn't want to join in to lay low.

Regardless, now's not the time. Scum have the upper hand again and we need to lynch another or else we'll rapidly be approaching LYLO. And that LYLO will include slankers like Pawn and LLD who we won't be able to properly solve based on gameplay alone.

[iaafr]

juliets is not scum. juliets is town.

[juliets]

Radishes, Mac and LC had a progression on Epi including some answers to Epi’s 4 questions that must be answered.

Colin’s naked Iaafr vote is a good look. Like if Iaafr is scum, that puts him into lynch range when he isn’t defending himself. Even if he’s not, Epi clearly cared a lot more. Either way, Colin doesn’t give a shit about how he looks here and he’s making a vote that’s sub optimal for a wolf to make.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p571460

Of course, Radishes follows this by saying the Iaafr voters are suspicious and Colin particularly looks like an Epi teammate but he doesn’t have the advantage of knowing Epi is town at the time (unless I have made a big mistake) so it’s forgivable.

Iaafr popping in 5 minutes from end of day to vote still reads terrible.

Drives me nuts that Radish thinks this is obvious town.

I'm town lol

got 5 minutes then im busy till eod... let's iso 112 ive been randomly thinking maybe they scum after all

It’s problematic that I share like no reads with my top townread.

112’s vote is not amazing considering the quickly changing Mac read but iirc, 112 has at least suspected Epi for much of the game.

Juliets says actually, the lynch should be between her/LC/TL, which is a conclusion I would have disagreed with had I been around. That push would have been fine 12 hours before EOD but 5 minutes from EOD it’s very ???

At the time it was probably

Iaafr: Jack/Colin/Juliets
Epi: Mac/LC/Iaafr/112

So Juliets moving off wagon to LC puts a 2 vote gap between the two top wagons, which looks like Juliets defending Iaafr.

112 accuses Juliets of defending Epi...

Juliets moves right back to Iaafr, which basically negates the bad vibes from the earlier switch.

TL votes Epi and says he’s fine with Epi or LC.

112 floats a TL cfd.

Radish nixes it.

112 says see ya and dances off. Probably a good look, esp if Iaafr is scum.

I mean, 3 wolves to go. We still have a few mislynches. Wolves aren’t going to be that blatant. Probably.

I guess the only really bad vote yesterday is Iaafr. TL’s vote isn’t great.

Jack this is what I was asking for, your thoughts on yesterday's votes. Thanks.

[juliets]

[mention]iaafr[/mention] I do keep having misgivings about Long Con and am currently seeing him as scum. I need to read Jack now and I'll see if I agree with you or Mac.

[juliets]

Reading Jack's ISO I am reminded of that whole day 1 thing where Drago tried to maintain 112 was scum because she was setting up to claim character and I had to argue with him about character not being correlated with alignment. It's the fact that he spent so many posts on this issue that makes me think he was not bussing 112 but trying to call her scum when she was really town. So, I have to back off my scum read of 112 a little.

[112]

Radishes, Mac and LC had a progression on Epi including some answers to Epi’s 4 questions that must be answered.

Colin’s naked Iaafr vote is a good look. Like if Iaafr is scum, that puts him into lynch range when he isn’t defending himself. Even if he’s not, Epi clearly cared a lot more. Either way, Colin doesn’t give a shit about how he looks here and he’s making a vote that’s sub optimal for a wolf to make.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p571460

Of course, Radishes follows this by saying the Iaafr voters are suspicious and Colin particularly looks like an Epi teammate but he doesn’t have the advantage of knowing Epi is town at the time (unless I have made a big mistake) so it’s forgivable.

Iaafr popping in 5 minutes from end of day to vote still reads terrible.

Drives me nuts that Radish thinks this is obvious town.

I'm town lol

got 5 minutes then im busy till eod... let's iso 112 ive been randomly thinking maybe they scum after all

It’s problematic that I share like no reads with my top townread.

112’s vote is not amazing considering the quickly changing Mac read but iirc, 112 has at least suspected Epi for much of the game.

Juliets says actually, the lynch should be between her/LC/TL, which is a conclusion I would have disagreed with had I been around. That push would have been fine 12 hours before EOD but 5 minutes from EOD it’s very ???

At the time it was probably

Iaafr: Jack/Colin/Juliets
Epi: Mac/LC/Iaafr/112

So Juliets moving off wagon to LC puts a 2 vote gap between the two top wagons, which looks like Juliets defending Iaafr.

112 accuses Juliets of defending Epi...

Juliets moves right back to Iaafr, which basically negates the bad vibes from the earlier switch.

TL votes Epi and says he’s fine with Epi or LC.

112 floats a TL cfd.

Radish nixes it.

112 says see ya and dances off. Probably a good look, esp if Iaafr is scum.

I mean, 3 wolves to go. We still have a few mislynches. Wolves aren’t going to be that blatant. Probably.

I guess the only really bad vote yesterday is Iaafr. TL’s vote isn’t great.

Jack this is what I was asking for, your thoughts on yesterday's votes. Thanks.

why is it a good look for me 'esp if iaafr is scum'? not sure why jack would qualify it with that, granted i haven't been following well

[juliets]

Radishes, Mac and LC had a progression on Epi including some answers to Epi’s 4 questions that must be answered.

Colin’s naked Iaafr vote is a good look. Like if Iaafr is scum, that puts him into lynch range when he isn’t defending himself. Even if he’s not, Epi clearly cared a lot more. Either way, Colin doesn’t give a shit about how he looks here and he’s making a vote that’s sub optimal for a wolf to make.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p571460

Of course, Radishes follows this by saying the Iaafr voters are suspicious and Colin particularly looks like an Epi teammate but he doesn’t have the advantage of knowing Epi is town at the time (unless I have made a big mistake) so it’s forgivable.

Iaafr popping in 5 minutes from end of day to vote still reads terrible.

Drives me nuts that Radish thinks this is obvious town.

I'm town lol

got 5 minutes then im busy till eod... let's iso 112 ive been randomly thinking maybe they scum after all

It’s problematic that I share like no reads with my top townread.

112’s vote is not amazing considering the quickly changing Mac read but iirc, 112 has at least suspected Epi for much of the game.

Juliets says actually, the lynch should be between her/LC/TL, which is a conclusion I would have disagreed with had I been around. That push would have been fine 12 hours before EOD but 5 minutes from EOD it’s very ???

At the time it was probably

Iaafr: Jack/Colin/Juliets
Epi: Mac/LC/Iaafr/112

So Juliets moving off wagon to LC puts a 2 vote gap between the two top wagons, which looks like Juliets defending Iaafr.

112 accuses Juliets of defending Epi...

Juliets moves right back to Iaafr, which basically negates the bad vibes from the earlier switch.

TL votes Epi and says he’s fine with Epi or LC.

112 floats a TL cfd.

Radish nixes it.

112 says see ya and dances off. Probably a good look, esp if Iaafr is scum.

I mean, 3 wolves to go. We still have a few mislynches. Wolves aren’t going to be that blatant. Probably.

I guess the only really bad vote yesterday is Iaafr. TL’s vote isn’t great.

Jack this is what I was asking for, your thoughts on yesterday's votes. Thanks.

why is it a good look for me 'esp if iaafr is scum'? not sure why jack would qualify it with that, granted i haven't been following well

I don't get that either - [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] can you explain what you are saying there?

[Jackofhearts2005]

jack reading associations off of assuming i'm scum is so questionable lol

One post after you float the idea of one of us being mechanically scum.

K.

[Jackofhearts2005]

quick memorybased thoughts on why jack and mac are likely scum:

it's now known that drago was bussy and prone to shading partners. he quoted a post of eva's that called me scum based on disagreeing with my reads and said "oh you're scum and iaafr's town, cool"

the other big shade that's memorable from him was calling jack's townread of creature really suspicious. not very strong association, but it still stands out to me.

epi and dom seemed to have convictions at some points that mac was scummy. i remember end of phase 2 especially, dom called mac and radishes in particular scummy. and his feeling that mac was being weird and scummy never died. evenstar called mac's difference from his meta out too early d1, which i read 2 phases ago as potentially spewing mac town, but now i realize that the team did a lot of mutual sussing.

i thought it looked good for mac at first, that mac was like, to eva, "oh now it makes sense you're scum." but i've started thinking, especially with epi flipping town, that that was scum/scum interaction. evenstar-having teams defniitely dont have qualms with early distancing, and early is a great time to do it, before you have to commit to votes later in the phase and so it'll show up prominently in the iso.

so yea, mac or jack. feeling more mac, right now, as you can probably tell, but i need to do more thorough investigation on both.

Is there supposed to be something in here that leads to this part of the conclusion?

[Jackofhearts2005]

i mean really pawn could easily be scum still

Jackofhearts2005 if youre town could you stop reading situations assuming im scum? its literally the opposite of correct. also whats your current read on mac and read on colin minus associations with me?

Hard town but I haven’t done the iso Juliets requested yet. I thought I could rush through what appears to be the last Fire Emblem chapter before the time skip but I was wrong.

It’s entirely based off gut and my history of being able to read Mac correctly without really even trying.

[Jackofhearts2005]

That’s about Mac. Colin has low posted so I should probably reevaluate him. Obviously, he looks better if you’re scum.

[Jackofhearts2005]

if jack is town, a plausible team in my eyes is some mix of mac/colin/pawn/radishes

Yeesh. Yeah, that’s a tough world for town Jack. I have three townreads in that list.

[juliets]

It's about time for me to go to work. I finished looking at Jack through Day 5 which is most of his ISO. I have two pages left to do and will do them when I get home from work. I will be home late today probably about 4:30.

Day 0/1
- Jack is throwing shade at Eva day 1 and calls her case on nutella dumb and votes for her - towny
- nutella calls Jack scum for trying to pocket her and says he was within his scum range
- changes his vote to 112, maybe based on nutella's read of her as scum
- states townread of nutella
- scum reads Benson but admits he must of missed something because others seeing him as town slightly scum

Day 5
- reads Michelle as town - townie
- wants to lynch Radish over Eva, thinks Eva was cleared
- says they can't talk about whether Eva was mech cleared or not
- states he hasn't seen 112 do anything scummy in several days
- nutella reads Jack as scum
- votes Eva - townie
- states he's not voting nutella or Epi
- states they should Lynch within the Limbo group - townie
- says someone sifted mason and that's why he is scum reading Eva - townie
- says nutella and Mac are easy to read (as town)
- says town core is juliets, nutella, Michelle, Mac - townie
- votes nutella (?????? ) scummy
- nutella says there is less content from Jack than normal town Jack
- says both LC and Epi jumped when he voted nutella
- votes Eva townie
- asks Epi to match his votes with his reads
- says several times he's unlynchable (joking I'm sure)
- calls iaafr's vote for nutella a nightmare scenario townie
- votes Long Con after LC asks if iaafr could be scum
- says Eva is probably town in his reads list- scummy
- discussion about whether Jack has TMI - Jack says he guessed a lot of things watching the movie and explained the reasons for those guesses (note, earlier maybe day 1, he said he was currently watching the movie again if I understood correctly)
- votes Elephant - townie
- Eva posts read list, Jack says he doesn't get it
- votes Pawn who Eva said was never scum in her list scummy
- says he suspects Pawn for have no independent reads Day 2, maybe Day 3, all his reads were the worst iaafr and Radish reads - can't judge this, don't know if it's true
- vote ends with him on Pawn

++++++++++++++++++++++++
All in all I don't find Jack all that scummy through day 5. I wish he had stayed with his Eva or Elephant vote but others like Mac did the same thing and moved off of them. Epi also voted Pawn so the only fault I find with Jack is Eva who he was scum reading up until all of a sudden he town read her said Pawn was never scum.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] it would be helpful to know why you changed your read of Eva on Day 5.

[Jackofhearts2005]

That post was from Night 3 anyway.

Quoting a day 1 post

You quoted a D1 post on N3 and I quoted you and you quoted me and I quoted you. Scroll down. It’s from N3.

[juliets]

The other thing I want to add is this may sound weird but I usually find scum [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] harsher than town Jack. His accusations seem more...aggressive I guess would be the right word. Others may see that differently, but thats my take.

[juliets]

One last thing - I'm leaving my tab open to this site so it might appear I'm here when I'm really not.

[Jackofhearts2005]

i mean ngl jack is a pretty decent direction to take fmpov so keep pushing there and i might end up joining you

I’ve got some bad news for you. I’m actually unlynchable.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Today should be about resolving the day 1 counterwagon imo. Jack is the only one left on a wolfy counterwagon. He should be lynched.

112 hasn’t even flipped and you couldn’t lynch me if both you and Iaafr were double voters.

[Jackofhearts2005]

but yeah dead epi + dead dom is screaming to me to sus mac, since they both did

isnt really an issue to me that they tunneled me, they dont know me

they know mac

he should die

Epi literally called me a fool from the grave. If he didn't die with a townread on me he died very much reconsidering his suspicion.

what? he deadposted game related content??????

He posted a gif calling someone (obviously me) a fool.

whys bringing this up a thing tho this feels so gross man

Agreed tbh.

[Jackofhearts2005]

if mac is town quin is potentially a good direction to look

i shouldnt be taking him out of my scumpile just for saying he likes me in like... town/town wagon situations

I’m never gonna re-evaluate you when I disagree with every push you make.

[Jackofhearts2005]

im actually just going to sit on quin for now

theres no way we should be taking this guy any further into this game as far as im concerned

also why do people even think he's town in the first place again?

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Cause Michelle was probably the cop and he’s probably green peaked and if he isn’t, the mafia thought he was, which makes him town regardless. Same for Pawn.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don’t understand how Iaafr can post 25 times in a row and only quote another player once and flip around a bunch of his reads and change his vote a couple times.

Getting 404 errors over here.

[Long Con]

How do you know what the Mafia thought?

[Jackofhearts2005]

long con's iso looks better than quins but maybe in a scummy way

The fence sitting is unreal. I couldn’t make this shit up if I tried.

[Jackofhearts2005]

How do you know what the Mafia thought?

Because they janitored her after she made some very very very certain reads and one was that Elephant was for sure a wolf.

If Quin or Pawn was scum, you let Michelle flip, confident that she isn’t the cop or if she is, she “confirms” a wolf.

If Quin and Pawn are town, you don’t want her to flip cop and confirm two townies so you janitor her.

Doesn’t actually matter if she was the cop. The wolves janitored her because she might have been the cop because her reads on Quin and Pawn were right.

[Jackofhearts2005]

i think pawn is the safest copout lynch but i need to find a scum other than him today and he might not even be scum except he probably is

How is anyone not reading this as antispew wifom?