Inception [END]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like imo, Iaafr has been in antispew mode for three day phases now and if I’m wrong, I’m angry at him and if I’m right, I’m angry at everyone else.

But I’m not that angry except that I am but not really.

[112]

Owing to my lacking contributions, I will now undertake the role of Town Bard and compel the town to victory by means of inspiration and music buffs.

town, town, he's the best
let him win it, fuck the rest

[112]

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

Let's just lynch the wolf.

[112]

Owing to my lacking contributions, I will now undertake the role of Town Bard and compel the town to victory by means of inspiration and music buffs.

town, town, he's the best
let him win it, fuck the rest

mafia really should've seen this coming and just killed me

they took the gamble, fair loss

[112]

How do you know what the Mafia thought?

this is such a 'gotcha!' question to ask and i question your motives in it

[Jackofhearts2005]

ok ive done more reading and ive flipped again on mac as he predicted

mac is now locktown in this phase

jack is fine too

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And the background is like a weird battle anime with lasers and boobs flying everywhere.

[Jackofhearts2005]

clear eveyrbody whos been wrong on a lot of stuff

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have no scumreads!

[Long Con]

How do you know what the Mafia thought?

this is such a 'gotcha!' question to ask and i question your motives in it

Enh, I wasn't really going for a Gotcha. Had just woken up and scanning new posts. Jack's was the last, and it was...

[Long Con]

Owing to my lacking contributions, I will now undertake the role of Town Bard and compel the town to victory by means of inspiration and music buffs.

town, town, he's the best
let him win it, fuck the rest

mafia really should've seen this coming and just killed me

they took the gamble, fair loss

What is this transformation?

[112]

jack town, mac wolf?

[Quin]

ugh im flip flopping on long con again i just wanna kill quin smh

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

smh

in australia we call them thongs

[ColinIsCool]

The biggest point im trying to drive home is one of juliets/LC/TL are mafia if there were always 3 mafia in the reality level of the game

Otherwise they are all town.

longcon is still the scummiest between these 3 imo

but idk maybe i need to re-eval TL

I think I agree with this. His vote for Epi just ... stunk to high heaven.

[ColinIsCool]

but yeah dead epi + dead dom is screaming to me to sus mac, since they both did

isnt really an issue to me that they tunneled me, they dont know me

they know mac

he should die

Epi literally called me a fool from the grave. If he didn't die with a townread on me he died very much reconsidering his suspicion.

what? he deadposted game related content??????

He posted a gif calling someone (obviously me) a fool.

whys bringing this up a thing tho this feels so gross man

Epi does it every time he’s mislynched, it wasn’t directly to Mac.

[ColinIsCool]

i am resisting the urge to tunnel colin at the same time and i think its probably wrong to tunnel colin. one at a time. long con is the target.

I gotta say you are ... looking townier than I thought you would at this juncture.

[Jackofhearts2005]

for being 3p

112 town
iaafr town
Jackofhearts2005 town
juliets town
Lady Lambdadelta town
Long Con scum
MacDougall town
Master Radishes town but leading 3p candidate
Pawn Lelouch scum
Quin scum
Rej / ColinIsCool town
Trustworthy Liberal town

8 v 3 v 1

if we kill 3p, 6v3 worst case if he gets another kill today (3p kill is very likely poison due to eva death)

which is still one extra ML

if we fail to kill 3p, it rly depends on how much kill power per phase he has. which is what TL has been saying.

radishes is the leading 3p candidate unless somebody else wants to put forward another theory.

He’s the last 3P candidate after me (because my 3P game is just memes memes memes).

Nutella and Eva were very townread with Radish being a clear outlier in scumreading Eva.

Town Radish could shoot (poison) Eva because he suspected her.

3P Radish would be happy to push impotently on Eva all day. If he shoots her and she’s town, he’s way more likely to be lynched. If he shoots her and she’s scum, he’s way more likely to be nightkilled.

Ergo, Radish is not a third party killer/poisoner.

I swear I laid this out earlier and I swear you said you read me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

i am resisting the urge to tunnel colin at the same time and i think its probably wrong to tunnel colin. one at a time. long con is the target.

I gotta say you are ... looking townier than I thought you would at this juncture.

This is another one of those candid camera games.

[ColinIsCool]

for being 3p

112 town
iaafr town
Jackofhearts2005 town
juliets town
Lady Lambdadelta town
Long Con scum
MacDougall town
Master Radishes town but leading 3p candidate
Pawn Lelouch scum
Quin scum
Rej / ColinIsCool town
Trustworthy Liberal town

8 v 3 v 1

if we kill 3p, 6v3 worst case if he gets another kill today (3p kill is very likely poison due to eva death)

which is still one extra ML

if we fail to kill 3p, it rly depends on how much kill power per phase he has. which is what TL has been saying.

radishes is the leading 3p candidate unless somebody else wants to put forward another theory.

He’s the last 3P candidate after me (because my 3P game is just memes memes memes).

Nutella and Eva were very townread with Radish being a clear outlier in scumreading Eva.

Town Radish could shoot (poison) Eva because he suspected her.

3P Radish would be happy to push impotently on Eva all day. If he shoots her and she’s town, he’s way more likely to be lynched. If he shoots her and she’s scum, he’s way more likely to be nightkilled.

Ergo, Radish is not a third party killer/poisoner.

I swear I laid this out earlier and I swear you said you read me.

I don’t think it matters what Eva flipped as. The entire association with Eva, followed by killing her, immediately leads you to your conclusion (except I don’t see a world where Radishes is lynched if Eva flips town). It’s a savvy move by a savvy player but you got fooled bud.

[ColinIsCool]

I think iaafr is one of my top townreads after seeing his latest spate of posts .... what’s become of me?

[ColinIsCool]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine for now.

[Jackofhearts2005]

i think pawn is the safest copout lynch but i need to find a scum other than him today and he might not even be scum except he probably is

This summarises my thoughts on Pawn.

More Candid Camera.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think iaafr is one of my top townreads after seeing his latest spate of posts .... what’s become of me?

Idk. Convince me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

for being 3p

112 town
iaafr town
Jackofhearts2005 town
juliets town
Lady Lambdadelta town
Long Con scum
MacDougall town
Master Radishes town but leading 3p candidate
Pawn Lelouch scum
Quin scum
Rej / ColinIsCool town
Trustworthy Liberal town

8 v 3 v 1

if we kill 3p, 6v3 worst case if he gets another kill today (3p kill is very likely poison due to eva death)

which is still one extra ML

if we fail to kill 3p, it rly depends on how much kill power per phase he has. which is what TL has been saying.

radishes is the leading 3p candidate unless somebody else wants to put forward another theory.

He’s the last 3P candidate after me (because my 3P game is just memes memes memes).

Nutella and Eva were very townread with Radish being a clear outlier in scumreading Eva.

Town Radish could shoot (poison) Eva because he suspected her.

3P Radish would be happy to push impotently on Eva all day. If he shoots her and she’s town, he’s way more likely to be lynched. If he shoots her and she’s scum, he’s way more likely to be nightkilled.

Ergo, Radish is not a third party killer/poisoner.

I swear I laid this out earlier and I swear you said you read me.

I don’t think it matters what Eva flipped as. The entire association with Eva, followed by killing her, immediately leads you to your conclusion (except I don’t see a world where Radishes is lynched if Eva flips town). It’s a savvy move by a savvy player but you got fooled bud.

So you’re saying my logic is totally sound so Radish made a wifom play?

Fine. That explains why you discount my townread.

Now why is he 3P?

[Jackofhearts2005]

mainly because him being scum seems incompatible with long con being scum and long con is lock scum

and i kind of feel like the 3p wouldve gone down layers rather than stayed in the caffeine crew? kinda baseless feeling i havent investigated the flavor and dont really intend to maybe Jackofhearts2005 has thoughts on that

I mean, yeah, it would be flavor appropriate but idk how close to the flavor we are.

So you have to implant an idea by going down to limbo with a team and fighting the subscious. That isn’t necessarily the movie Inception but rather the world of Inception.

There is flavor pointing to us being in the later only. Like Eva flipping as the extractor instead of Leo and Drago flipping as the forger instead of Tom Hardy. Or somebody named Simone (not a character in the movie) appearing in several host posts.

So thematically, 3P character is Leo’s wife, Talia. If Leo isn’t actually part of this game, thematically, the 3P role is a massive question mark.

It may even be “the mark,” aka Cillian Murphy. He was a “townie” on DL1 but a “wolf” on DL2 and DL3.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It would be problematic to allow Cillian Murphy to be in the game though cause what if he gets lynched and the game just ends?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Radishes, Mac and LC had a progression on Epi including some answers to Epi’s 4 questions that must be answered.

Colin’s naked Iaafr vote is a good look. Like if Iaafr is scum, that puts him into lynch range when he isn’t defending himself. Even if he’s not, Epi clearly cared a lot more. Either way, Colin doesn’t give a shit about how he looks here and he’s making a vote that’s sub optimal for a wolf to make.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p571460

Of course, Radishes follows this by saying the Iaafr voters are suspicious and Colin particularly looks like an Epi teammate but he doesn’t have the advantage of knowing Epi is town at the time (unless I have made a big mistake) so it’s forgivable.

Iaafr popping in 5 minutes from end of day to vote still reads terrible.

Drives me nuts that Radish thinks this is obvious town.

I'm town lol

got 5 minutes then im busy till eod... let's iso 112 ive been randomly thinking maybe they scum after all

It’s problematic that I share like no reads with my top townread.

112’s vote is not amazing considering the quickly changing Mac read but iirc, 112 has at least suspected Epi for much of the game.

Juliets says actually, the lynch should be between her/LC/TL, which is a conclusion I would have disagreed with had I been around. That push would have been fine 12 hours before EOD but 5 minutes from EOD it’s very ???

At the time it was probably

Iaafr: Jack/Colin/Juliets
Epi: Mac/LC/Iaafr/112

So Juliets moving off wagon to LC puts a 2 vote gap between the two top wagons, which looks like Juliets defending Iaafr.

112 accuses Juliets of defending Epi...

Juliets moves right back to Iaafr, which basically negates the bad vibes from the earlier switch.

TL votes Epi and says he’s fine with Epi or LC.

112 floats a TL cfd.

Radish nixes it.

112 says see ya and dances off. Probably a good look, esp if Iaafr is scum.

I mean, 3 wolves to go. We still have a few mislynches. Wolves aren’t going to be that blatant. Probably.

I guess the only really bad vote yesterday is Iaafr. TL’s vote isn’t great.

Jack this is what I was asking for, your thoughts on yesterday's votes. Thanks.

why is it a good look for me 'esp if iaafr is scum'? not sure why jack would qualify it with that, granted i haven't been following well

Cause I don’t think a wolf pops in 5 min from EOD to bear tied W/T wagons, says he’s good with the T lynch or a lynch on two unrelated players.

Its such blatant and risky teammate defense.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It's about time for me to go to work. I finished looking at Jack through Day 5 which is most of his ISO. I have two pages left to do and will do them when I get home from work. I will be home late today probably about 4:30.

Day 0/1
- Jack is throwing shade at Eva day 1 and calls her case on nutella dumb and votes for her - towny
- nutella calls Jack scum for trying to pocket her and says he was within his scum range
- changes his vote to 112, maybe based on nutella's read of her as scum
- states townread of nutella
- scum reads Benson but admits he must of missed something because others seeing him as town slightly scum

Day 5
- reads Michelle as town - townie
- wants to lynch Radish over Eva, thinks Eva was cleared
- says they can't talk about whether Eva was mech cleared or not
- states he hasn't seen 112 do anything scummy in several days This was a joke. I lost track of 112 on D3.
- nutella reads Jack as scum Nutella is not half as good at reading me as I am at reading her.
- votes Eva - townie
- states he's not voting nutella or Epi
- states they should Lynch within the Limbo group - townie
- says someone sifted mason and that's why he is scum reading Eva - townie
- says nutella and Mac are easy to read (as town)
- says town core is juliets, nutella, Michelle, Mac - townie
- votes nutella (?????? ) scummy This was half a joke and half bait. I had been hard townreading Nutella from like halfway through D1 and she lost her shit over this vote cause again, Nutella isn’t great at reading me.
- nutella says there is less content from Jack than normal town Jack
- says both LC and Epi jumped when he voted nutella
- votes Eva townie
- asks Epi to match his votes with his reads
- says several times he's unlynchable (joking I'm sure) No, I’m dead serious. I’ve lynched 6 wolves who tried to mislynch me this year alone. Your boy DDL in Adams Family is a great example. I’ve been lynched as town ever like 5 times and in two of those games, I went to my grave pointing my finger hard at the wolf who was framing me and that wolf was lynched shortly after. I’m flat unlynchable as town.
- calls iaafr's vote for nutella a nightmare scenario townie
- votes Long Con after LC asks if iaafr could be scum
- says Eva is probably town in his reads list- scummy
- discussion about whether Jack has TMI - Jack says he guessed a lot of things watching the movie and explained the reasons for those guesses (note, earlier maybe day 1, he said he was currently watching the movie again if I understood correctly) Yep.
- votes Elephant - townie
- Eva posts read list, Jack says he doesn't get it
- votes Pawn who Eva said was never scum in her list scummy
- says he suspects Pawn for have no independent reads Day 2, maybe Day 3, all his reads were the worst iaafr and Radish reads - can't judge this, don't know if it's true
- vote ends with him on Pawn

++++++++++++++++++++++++
All in all I don't find Jack all that scummy through day 5. I wish he had stayed with his Eva or Elephant vote but others like Mac did the same thing and moved off of them. Epi also voted Pawn so the only fault I find with Jack is Eva who he was scum reading up until all of a sudden he town read her said Pawn was never scum.

Jackofhearts2005 it would be helpful to know why you changed your read of Eva on Day 5.

Iaafr convinced me Eva was the other mason. Nutella flat said she wasn’t. I thought Nutella was sifting mason and Eva pretending to be the mason was super scummy plus she looked bad, masonness aside. Like Radish postered pretty good case against her D5. I really townread Sprityo (like Mac and Nutella, he’s easy for me to read) so that meant in theory, one of Eva and Radish should have been a wolf and his case against her meant it was probably her.

Should have left my vote on her tbh. That’s part of why I suspect Iaafr so much. He convinced me not to lynch her D2 and D5.

[ColinIsCool]

for being 3p

112 town
iaafr town
Jackofhearts2005 town
juliets town
Lady Lambdadelta town
Long Con scum
MacDougall town
Master Radishes town but leading 3p candidate
Pawn Lelouch scum
Quin scum
Rej / ColinIsCool town
Trustworthy Liberal town

8 v 3 v 1

if we kill 3p, 6v3 worst case if he gets another kill today (3p kill is very likely poison due to eva death)

which is still one extra ML

if we fail to kill 3p, it rly depends on how much kill power per phase he has. which is what TL has been saying.

radishes is the leading 3p candidate unless somebody else wants to put forward another theory.

He’s the last 3P candidate after me (because my 3P game is just memes memes memes).

Nutella and Eva were very townread with Radish being a clear outlier in scumreading Eva.

Town Radish could shoot (poison) Eva because he suspected her.

3P Radish would be happy to push impotently on Eva all day. If he shoots her and she’s town, he’s way more likely to be lynched. If he shoots her and she’s scum, he’s way more likely to be nightkilled.

Ergo, Radish is not a third party killer/poisoner.

I swear I laid this out earlier and I swear you said you read me.

I don’t think it matters what Eva flipped as. The entire association with Eva, followed by killing her, immediately leads you to your conclusion (except I don’t see a world where Radishes is lynched if Eva flips town). It’s a savvy move by a savvy player but you got fooled bud.

So you’re saying my logic is totally sound so Radish made a wifom play?

Fine. That explains why you discount my townread.

Now why is he 3P?

Well, he’s probably not scum if he killed Eva, is he?

[ColinIsCool]

Furthermore: I looked at the role list earlier and saw confirmation of an Independent Cop. Presumably, they’d be breadcrumbing if they found an indie. And I can’t think of anybody else who has come under real suspicion as a 3P but Radishes.

Hell, Radishes has been a suspect for so long that it’s almost guaranteed that the cop checked them, imo. If he’s not the 3P then the cop should be making up a better defense or directing us to someone else because otherwise they’ve let this get out of hand.

[Master Radishes]

Oh, I forgot about that cop. If I have a few minutes I'll take a look for breadcrumbs. There have been a few 'this person could be 3P' posts.

The only reason I've got so much attention is because Eva tried to spew me as 3P. Everyone sort of shrugged and accepted it. Colin is the only one really pushing the narrative, which makes me speculate the mafia's plan to get my MLed isn't going as well as Eva had planned.

[Master Radishes]

I maintain the theory there's a scum within Long Con, Trusty Lib, and Juliets. (I don't buy that there has to be x number of scum at other levels, though. There was movement within them.)

I really think it's just juliets, and I don't give much stock to iaafr's townread of her. But I'm willing to reconsider Long Con. It's one of those two, I think.


In theory, there's also a scum on the Epi wagon, as there's no way they'd miss an opportunity to bus that.

[iaafr]

am I wrong to think that poisoner not being in the town or scum role list locks it as third party?

[iaafr]

currently still thinking long con and quin are the best leads

[mention]112[/mention] why is TL scummy to you?

[iaafr]

Cop
Tracker
Watcher
Doctor
Independent Cop
Commuter
Mason
Doublevoter
Redirector
Vigilante
Jailkeeper
Vanilla

Janitor
Role Cop
Godfather
Strongman
Roleblocker
Vanilla

3rd Party Independent

this role lists suggests to me that poison as a mechanic must be 3p

[Jackofhearts2005]

am I wrong to think that poisoner not being in the town or scum role list locks it as third party?

Let’s say it implies it to be third party at least.

[iaafr]

radishes pushing Juliets, who is to me, the towniest of that trio, reeks to me of being the 3p who needs to scumside another phase to keep control of the game

maybe me confbiasing and tunneling now but it makes sense to me

[iaafr]

I heavily suspect tl of being the independent cop at this point, too, so

[Master Radishes]

Reposting Sprit's work.

Day 1
[10] Dragomir - Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
[7] 112 - Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005
[3] Evenstar - Texas Cloverleaf, sprityo, Quin
[2] Hyena - Dom, Michelle
[2] No Lynch - iaafr, boo
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] MacDougall - Dragomir
[1] nutella - Lady LambdaDelta
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - 112

Day 2
[5] boo - Long Con, Hyena, nutella, Benson, vanity.,
[5] DFaraday - Trustworthy Liberal, Creature, juliets,boo , Elephant
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - DFaraday

Day 3
[1] Creature - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
[2] Elephant - Long Con, vanity.
[3] Nova/Ty4on - nutella, juliets, Creature
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - Nova/Ty4on
[3] vanity. -Trustworthy Liberal, Elephant, Hyena

Day 4
[3] Trustworthy Liberal - Long Con, vanity., Creature
[5] vanity. - Elephant, juliets, Hyena, nutella, Trustworthy Liberal
non voting - Quin, LLD

Day 5
[5] Elephant - hyena, LC, nutella, Michelle, Dom
[2] Evenstar - Master Radishes, Sprityo
[3] Hyena - Mac, Evenstar, Pawn
[1] iaafr - Quin
[2] Long Con - iaafr, juliets
[1] Michelle - elephant
[1] Nutella - LLD
[2] Pawn - Epi, Jack

Day 6
[1] Dom - Trustworthy Liberal
[5] Hyena - Pawn, Mac, Radishes, juliets, Quin
[5] iaafr - sprityo, Dom, Epi, Mac, Colin
[2] LLD - LLD, Long Con
[1] Quin - 112
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - iaafr

Day 7
[6] Epignosis - Radishes, 112, Mac, Long Con, TL, iaafr
[3] iaafr - juliets, jack, Colin
[1] Radishes - Pawn
[1] Pawn - sprityo
[1] sprityo - Quin
[1] TL - Epignosis

[iaafr]

me putting lc at the bottom of that trio boils down to this

juliets and tl have both displayed townsided frustration pmpov. tl moreso than Juliets, but on the other hand, Juliets has displayed more indiscriminate curiosity and a wider scope

lc loses to both of them on both these metrics imo

[Master Radishes]

radishes pushing Juliets, who is to me, the towniest of that trio, reeks to me of being the 3p who needs to scumside another phase to keep control of the game

maybe me confbiasing and tunneling now but it makes sense to me

I've been scumreading her for days.

Because she's the scummiest of the three.

[iaafr]

radishes pushing Juliets, who is to me, the towniest of that trio, reeks to me of being the 3p who needs to scumside another phase to keep control of the game

maybe me confbiasing and tunneling now but it makes sense to me

I've been scumreading her for days.

Because she's the scummiest of the three.

can you resummarize why to you? all I remember is you think she's showy and self conscious about looking town? any red flag posts you wanna point at?

[Master Radishes]

That took too long and I have no time now to analyse it.

[Master Radishes]

radishes pushing Juliets, who is to me, the towniest of that trio, reeks to me of being the 3p who needs to scumside another phase to keep control of the game

maybe me confbiasing and tunneling now but it makes sense to me

I've been scumreading her for days.

Because she's the scummiest of the three.

can you resummarize why to you? all I remember is you think she's showy and self conscious about looking town? any red flag posts you wanna point at?

I'll respond to this later. Remind me if you need to.

[iaafr]

I guess lc has better voting on d3

[iaafr]

a major complaint I have about lc is that it feels like he lost scum hunting direction ever since he lynched elephant

like 112 in wc1 [mention]MacDougall[/mention]

is lc in this game 112 in wc1? bus partners and coast?

[iaafr]

I'm not seeing the fire I hoped from 112 after I got reengaged too

maybe they're still my dumb misclear

[juliets]

I find myself agreeing with a lot of what Colin is saying and to my surprise, agreeing with iaafr on some things too.

[juliets]

Like imo, Iaafr has been in antispew mode for three day phases now and if I’m wrong, I’m angry at him and if I’m right, I’m angry at everyone else.

But I’m not that angry except that I am but not really.

Jack, could you explain what you mean by iaafr has been in "anti-spew" mode? I'm not sure what the means.

[iaafr]

Like imo, Iaafr has been in antispew mode for three day phases now and if I’m wrong, I’m angry at him and if I’m right, I’m angry at everyone else.

But I’m not that angry except that I am but not really.

Jack, could you explain what you mean by iaafr has been in "anti-spew" mode? I'm not sure what the means.

he means I've been intentionally making my reads thin slash meaningless with my high volume of flip flopping and low volume of hard evidence because I'm scum trying to make associations difficult once I flip

he is incorrect about that and should be mad at me but that's just my playstyle

I'll try to actually do more quote based cases tonight like I promised yesterday

[iaafr]

I find myself agreeing with a lot of what Colin is saying and to my surprise, agreeing with iaafr on some things too.

could you please list out what you agree and disagree with?