The Syndicate

I'm going to disagree with your summary of my read on Zebra as "genuine." I do not view the way she went about that as "genuine." She saw a very weak attack on a player, mischaracterized the severity and completeness of the reasoning of said attack, put forth a nonsensical and un...

Corrections:

Swap I and Do in my first sentence about Sonji.

DDL is calling for a Snow vig kill, not lynch.

@Jack - I didn't miss those posts, but they represented a progression from the starting point. In the particular post that really set zebra out, you did LIST three possibilities, and not the fourth. I don't know how you can say that's 100% false - here's the post: I could get behind splitting the d...

The easy route doesn't allow you to paint people as scum. For all the angles Zebra expects DDL and Jack to have considered, at a time when no decision or claim can even be close to final, she overlooks angles herself like culture clash and approaches their statements as definitive in terms of Snow ...

I don't wanna talk about Glorf's moral principals. Look y'all, life is like a box of chocolates mmk? Sometimes you get cherry cordial, and you didn't want cherry cordial. Sometimes you pop an almond in your mouth and you're allergic to almond. Next time just stick to an apple or something that has ...

:| Playing Mafia while being unwilling to lie is like playing futbol/soccer while being unwilling to kick the ball. Lying is what the game is about; there is no moral issue. That's what I was afraid of. I think a better metaphor would be playing Call of Duty but refusing to shoot anyone because you...

@Glor

Forgive me.

What deep moral principles, exactly, cause you to not be able to claim your alignment?

Epignosis wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:I hope that Epi's scum game is half as good as he says it is!!
I don't have a "scum game."
You probably do, just don't know it yet
No. I don't.

*cough*

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I'm excited to understand this site's meta more where I can start to understand roles more - I didn't have a single guess to who was what role by the end of Monkey Island and I've found the lack of information makes me feel very very lost, but I'm hoping that changes pretty soon!! You! You're the g...

I'm excited to understand this site's meta more where I can start to understand roles more - I didn't have a single guess to who was what role by the end of Monkey Island and I've found the lack of information makes me feel very very lost, but I'm hoping that changes pretty soon!! You! You're the g...

If I had a daykill, I would not have been able to resist.

I'm excited to understand this site's meta more where I can start to understand roles more - I didn't have a single guess to who was what role by the end of Monkey Island and I've found the lack of information makes me feel very very lost, but I'm hoping that changes pretty soon!! You! You're the g...

Golden wrote:It's a bad idea to style-read Zebra, but what I perceive in her posts are good motives and an effort to cut through bullsuit.

With an axe made of further bullshit.

Only the Sith blah blah.

I hear you guys lynch on Day One round here.

When do people start deciding who they think is bad?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Two pages after his first post and I already think Sig looks fishy.

Must... not... lynch... Sig... again.

Fishy how.

Let me throw this out there and see what people think.

Mathematically, the cult is not much of a threat. Using one of Klaus's auto scum catches on Ishmael would most benefit.....the mafia.

So players expressing extreme unwarranted concern about the cult are somewhat suspicious to me at this point.

Uhhh ishmael, given those recent revelations is a huge threat. Explain... sounds like he could recruit baddies and help finish the game earlier in the Civs favour. I guess it works in reverse if he recruits Civs? He could recruit baddies yes, which hurts them. However they also need to be the large...

Uhhh ishmael, given those recent revelations is a huge threat. Explain... sounds like he could recruit baddies and help finish the game earlier in the Civs favour. I guess it works in reverse if he recruits Civs? Mirrors my thoughts. Could put us in the awkward situation where the cult and the town...

Zebra, Faraday , Long Con, Snow Dog, and you. I think those are the only ones in that game that were here discussing the subject. I will table my thoughts on Snow Dog and try to give him a fresh start in my book. I do seriously hate I wasted all that time on it though. I wasn't even going to read a...

Thanks, DF.

Same for me, usually, but I didn't want to assume.

Would the cult vanillaize its recruits? Can mafia members be cultified?

Would Olaf be immune to Klaus's role check? The gravedigger seems fairly weak and the conditional double voter, while strong, could give away herself and a teammate if she actually uses the double vote. I consider the roleblocker the best Klaus's target in this mafia. The other mafia don has SECRETS...

@LC On HCRealms, you are allowed to make statements specifically for a lie detector. There's really no getting around it. There's all sorts of reasons a cop could be wrong but lie detectors are generally bulletproof, putting a scum player in an impossible situation. I prefer this "no 'I am town...

Yeah @ the lie detector ruling. That's more fun than usual.

Boo @ the non threatening cult ruling. Cults should be super threatening, imo. More fun that way.

@Epi You never said Snow Dog was good, true. What you said was "I won't be voting for him." :shrug2: Well, for what it's worth, I won't be voting for you Day 1 either, Jack. It has nothing to do with your alignment (or his). Oh yeah? Can't figure out how to use the polls either, then? I'm...

@Epi You never said Snow Dog was good, true. What you said was "I won't be voting for him." :shrug2: Well, for what it's worth, I won't be voting for you Day 1 either, Jack. It has nothing to do with your alignment (or his). Oh yeah? Can't figure out how to use the polls either, then?

@Epi

You never said Snow Dog was good, true.

What you said was "I won't be voting for him."

Four pages all about Snow Dog and Long Con's bad directions. Snow Dog must feel special. I won't be voting him Day 1. Oh yeah? What caused you to determine SD is town or rather, definitely not someone you could see yourself lynching? Do you see a specific better option at this point? Or did you mer...

I could get behind splitting the difference with alignment only flips. While no janitoring is more comfortable to me, I'm big on trying new things. I'm playing without reading my role. This seems like a terrible idea. If you're being truthful and you're town, this only hurts your performance. If yo...

In fact not only is it a baseless assumption but if we look at previous claims of players not reading their rolecard in past games, they are usually lying. Their reasons for doing so vary wildly but not all of them are mafia-motivated and on some level DDL and Jackofhearts must recognize this. I wo...

How do you propose we read him, then? Based on the assumption he doesn't know whether he is civ or bad himself. As we normally would. We cannot be sure he's being truthful. He could be a lying scummer and we should be reading his posts attempting to look into that possibility. If he's being truthfu...

By the way, is Day 0 followed by Day 1 or Night 0?

I am a mafia deconstructionist. In mafia, much less is alignment-indicative than what the average mafia player believes is. Because of this, unorthodox tactics of finding mafia should not be punished but encouraged. Your claim that reaction-fishing tactics only help identify aggressive players rath...

I'm playing without reading my role. :hugs: In this game, I will defend Snow Dog to the death. Why? I drove him a bit loopy in the last game we played together so I am indebted to him. This transcends alignment, you see. But for what it's worth I do believe he is civ from what little content there ...

I'm okay with policy lynching Snow Dog. Or rather, policy vigging him. A player who doesn't know their alignment is a waste of a lynch. I strongly disapprove of this post with all due respect. Noted. Since you keep asking why I disapprove of it , I'll tell you. You seem to be encouraging a policy l...

I'm playing without reading my role. :hugs: In this game, I will defend Snow Dog to the death. Why? I drove him a bit loopy in the last game we played together so I am indebted to him. This transcends alignment, you see. But for what it's worth I do believe he is civ from what little content there ...

I could get behind splitting the difference with alignment only flips. While no janitoring is more comfortable to me, I'm big on trying new things. I'm playing without reading my role. This seems like a terrible idea. If you're being truthful and you're town, this only hurts your performance. If yo...

a2thezebra wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:I'm playing without reading my role.

In this game, I will defend Snow Dog to the death.

Why?

I could get behind splitting the difference with alignment only flips. While no janitoring is more comfortable to me, I'm big on trying new things. I'm playing without reading my role. This seems like a terrible idea. If you're being truthful and you're town, this only hurts your performance. If you...

What's the likely significance of the direction choice?

Not being able to change my vote is also going to take a bit of getting used to.

Woot! First Syndicate game. I'm thinking the auto janitored nightkills are going to be the toughest thing to get used to. Open setups? Lots of power roles? Inability to roleclaim? Been there (though only in vanilla games for that last one). Not knowing how many bad guys have been killed off by vig/s...

So what were the arch villain win conditions?

I want that last section to be "kill powers" but there's an extra blank.

More Grodd: ..... during the game.

Possible Grodd text: Is immune to all....

Also, can you alignment claim?

So I'm going to be disappointed when I get to the end and don't know who everyone was and what they can do? Just the janitored night deaths are a pretty massive change for me. Especially with so many factions, I'd at least prefer an autopsy of alignment, if not character. Thoughts from the Syndicate...

Would have voted Epi over Llama at the end of Day 1.

Holy shit you guys can talk at night?!?

I know my role, and I assume everyone here knows theirs as well (Depending on whether or not Made has opened his PM yet.) So, I know Epi is not my role. If you are a civvie or a non-baddie, you also know that Epi is not that role as well. It is then mathematically 100% certain that Epi is a baddie,...

Oh! I generally view survivors as scum roles. In a situation where a survivor is the tie breaker vote, scum can strongarm the survivor into voting with them. This means that scum will always intentionally kill townies over survivors. I tend to lynch survivors into silence. Let them take bullets for ...

Can I post here? I CAN post here. :) I love to hear myself talk so I'm going to leave my notes here. At first glance, this game appears unbalanced. Too few townies. Too many scum and survivors. However, inability to claim, no scum BTSC and at least two vigilante roles means a mass scum/neutral takeo...

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