The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:15 pm The only "integrity" beef I have against baddies is when they use the "Real Life sucks for me right now" excuse to get out of suspicion. It doesn't seem to be a problem anymore but I remember when it used to come up all the time, and it sucked cuz you'd feel guilty about genuinely suspecting someone who rolled mafia.

NKing a player and then saying "I wouldn't do that" doesn't compromise your real life principles, it's a valid strategy cuz you're supposed to lie about that kinda shit. It's a deception within the game itself.

Agreed. Also, hating quiet players and shooting them has nothing to do with my in game integrity, which I assure you all does not exist.

Regardless, rocking setup as always, Epi.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:30 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:05 pm Last time I had uncanny mindmeld with Speed was Phenon. I was town, he was bad indy.

I think that lends credit to the idea he’s town here. The mindset is of a player without teammates or a player who doesn’t gaf about their teammates.

Second day of the game, Jackofhearts2005.

Haha you should have tried lynching bad guys.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:06 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:37 amEpi has it right earlier. You don’t play, you don’t get to sign up. Then you don’t have a scenario where one team gets stacked with all the dead weight or one team decides to not go after inactives.

well yeah obviously that's the ideal, i just think it doesn't make sense to expect the mafia to prioritize killing inactives if the group as a whole aren't doing that as well

when town members are complaining that mafia is killing active players but then in the exact same breath trying to lynch sloonei or jack it just seems kind of disengenous.

if everyone that signs up plays there's no problem at all

That’s a fair complaint.

I don’t think I was so much complaining about the mafia shooting actives as using it as a scumhunting tactic/complaining about the situation. Sorry if I came off otherwise.

There is a point where scum can choose between making a mafia game an actual game or not but only when there are way more inactives than here. The town was significantly harmed by inactivity but there was certainly a fighting chance for most of the game and the multiple mislynches show this.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:27 am yeah i think both sides gunning for inactives early when there's too many of them would ultimately create a better game environment

This is silly.

If mafia kills inactives and civs lynch inactives, you’re just starting the game late and hoping both sides just decide to give up their biggest tool for the sake of balance. We just finished a game where that didn’t happen. We just finished several games where that didn’t happen.

Epi has it right earlier. You don’t play, you don’t get to sign up. Then you don’t have a scenario where one team gets stacked with all the dead weight or one team decides to not go after inactives.

Except Donald Trump because there are a lot of stupid people that are still allowed to vote.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:51 am What happened to Kyle's integrity? I thought he was one that people said would definitely never stoop so low as to kill JJJ first night, and to kill exclusively active players?

Yo Kyle was so sad in BTSC about all that. He was all "This is so dirty I feel so bad but what're ya gonna do" and "Dangit now I can never say I'd never do this ever again dangit"

Lol well yeah. Like, that’s your meta. Nobody gets to argue they’d never do a thing we’ve seen them do.

I still think LC is mafia.

Also, I just wanna day it really messes with the balance of a game to have four unreplaced inactive townies and it’s a shame that a game that was constructed with such care and was otherwise so much fun was tainted by the town being deprived of two lynches.

LC and Kyle, why you basically claim mafia and lynch me?

[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

I was gonna say that I like your new Link avatar but upon zooming in closer, I see that the spinning sword is actually energy rays. When did Killua get the infinity gauntlet?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:10 pm welcome back, jack

Rez plz

Here’s the part where I wake up.

Shiiiit.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:53 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:51 pm Hey jack did you see my re-evaluations that you asked for that I did and you then said I didn't and voted for me because I didn't huh did ya see that

I saw one evaluation, then nothing for a long time and then you going right back where you were pre evaluation.

So did you see the re-evaluations or didn't you because I did them and I can show you where I re-evaluated and tried to scum hunt and stuff like you wanted and then for fun I can show you where you said I didn't do those things and then voted for me for not doing those things and then you also said "I still think Chuck is bad" lol olololo

It’s not my fault you didn’t bus hard enough.

I mean honestly, there were less than 5 posts about actual independent scumhunting, right?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:51 pm Hey jack did you see my re-evaluations that you asked for that I did and you then said I didn't and voted for me because I didn't huh did ya see that

I saw one evaluation, then nothing for a long time and then you going right back where you were pre evaluation.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:08 pm voting for jack doesn't make it seem like you're interested in voting for actual baddies. do you suspect jack or are you voting for him just cus he's not you?

Yeah, I feel better now.

Dizzy died thinking Speed/TH and voted DH over Kness.

So there was no way to kill off the pressure for either Speed or DH.

Which at least tells me one if not both of them are bad.

My tinfoil is a lone Long Con *cries*

If 1, Speed is claiming a role I said I thought was bad in order to give me pause and independently, the mafia didn’t kill me (as he’d expect) so I’d eat Speedchuck. This is suuuuuper dangerous but it would fit with Speed supposedly hinting some role since you know, this is a role we’re aware of.

If 3, mafia wants me to eat Speedchuck and are hoping my high confidence means I won’t be stopped by the Speedchuck silence. Scum is actively trying to manipulate me specifically.

If 4, it’s a pure wifom bluff. Speed is tapped into me disliking silencing, has said there’s probably nothing he can say to get me off him and is keyed into my honor and shit. I think this is a really good scum play.

But what about....Dizzy?

Reasonable possibilities are in orange.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:53 pm so..... there's 6 possibilities here:

1. A. speed is civ and the imprisoner is also civ and wants to protect speed: possible, I think?
1. B. speed is civ and is the imprisoner himself, kind of complicated, would be a way to keep himself from getting lynched I guess?
2. speed is mafia and the imprisoner is civ but thinks speed is civ; also possible
3. speed is civ but the imprisoner is mafia, and wants to silence speed I guess? this one seems like the least likely.
4. A. speed is mafia and the imprisoner is also mafia, removing a vote from his team's repetoir seems like it would be a bad idea at this sort of juncture. I don't think it's this. JACKSAYS: BUT DAT WIFOM THO
4. B. same as 4. A. but it's fake and speed is still capable of posting or voting and plans to vote suddenly at the end of the phase. I don't know if this is the kind of plan speed would do or if it would even be necessary. doing this would accomplish less than not doing it at all would accomplish. plus forgoing using the imprisonment power just to give speed some cover would make no sense since they could just use that on someone else and get an easy majority

Voting DH.

That last post just really underlines that we’re 5 hours from EOD and the re-evaluation process that was teased has not started.

I still think Speed is bad.

Would scum silence Speedchuck and not nk me if Speedchuck was mafia? That would be stupid, right?

But Speedchuck was going on about how honorable I am. Maybe he thinks I won’t have it in me to lynch a silenced player.

Uuuuuugh.

This game needs three more Jacks so that we could have lynched DH AND Speedchuck so it wouldn’t matter.

As I work through the WIFOM surrounding a silenced/self silenced Speedchuck, his relations to DH, his potential claim, everything LC said today, Wilgy Wilgying, the possibility an imprisoned player is unlynchable and how close we actually are to lylo...

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:31 pmimprisoned?

Possibly.

[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention]

Could Speedchuck be distancing from DH in his nightphase posts?

Would scum Speedchuck make himself look so bad yesterday if DH was a townie? Or would he just let us lynch whoever with the T/T wagons?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:22 pm Has speedchuck posted at all today?

Jesus....

Gemini and Cut.

I’d like to thank the mafia for not killing me so I can relive the same poor town game over and over again.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:49 am your entire iso of me seems to be from the point of view of "what are things kyle has and hasn't done that i can talk about in a way to come to the conclusion that kyle is mafia"

+30

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:27 am Why are you pluralizing your post about speedchuck? Why is your case "big" and my suspicion of Kyle "little"?

DH had a case yesterday that is certainly not invalidated by Kness or Dizzy being town.

My case is big because it’s got like a dozen posts where Speed is pointed out as being disingenuous.

Your case is little because it can be summed up as “Kyle is doing a thing he always does.”

Why on earth should the town ignore Speed and DH to lynch Kyle for such nothing?

We’re dangerously close to lylo with two vote manipulation powers (at least) unaccounted for. You choosing to go down this path is not only counterproductive, it’s flat out suspicious.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:03 am I am moving on, you can do as you please. :zen:

jack do you want to do trust fall excercize with me since sloonei's not here

I think you're a bit far away to literally catch me so I don't know what you mean.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:19 pm jack how confident are you about LC

A little less confident that I am in you and TH. Still pretty confident.

I don't like him ignoring the big cases for the little ones and can see LC bussing a teammate for cred early. But GTH, he's still probably town.

Would be a lot easier to have a POE I can trust (town or scum) if there weren't so many empty slots.

We need townies to be on trains at EOD this time, though.

I’d like Kyle to go ahead and place a vote.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:06 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:05 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:57 pm What I'm seeing here is that Jack wants to verify Kyle's claims that this is his Civ game.

Jack wants us to focus on lynching speedchuck, not on investigating Kylemii.

Since Jack is lock-town, then I have to believe his statements are true and verifiable. So I have to stop looking at Kyle. So now Kyle is lock-town.

Is that an accurate assessment of the situation?

Do you think Jack has irrefutable intel? I thought it was a strongly worded opinion, same as his suspicion of speedchuck.

Good question. Jack?

I’m talking about Kyle’s meta. But I’m still town and I don’t think we should spend a bunch of time on Kyle.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:05 pm Really specific.

I was at an airport at the time.

Which airport? I'll try to start there.

DFW.

Really specific.

I was at an airport at the time.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:39 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:34 pm i promise the only thing you're finding here in me is a flaw in my gameplay that gets brought up in almost every game

That's an assertion that I'd love to see validated.

I know, I know, your valuable time is better spent... what was it you were bringing to the thread again? You want to spend your time "get[ting] closer to knowing who [the Mafia] are". That also sounds like a good way to spend time here.

I specifically remember having this complaint and Kyle linking to me having this complain in a previous game and I was like “Oh. Well I still think it makes you bad” but he was town both times.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:34 pm i promise the only thing you're finding here in me is a flaw in my gameplay that gets brought up in almost every game

Usually by me.

You guys leave Kyle alone.

I’d feel better about your questions if you were voting for Speedchuck.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:09 pm @Kylemii

Paint me a pretty rainbow, please. Gimmie all your best tinfoil, too.

I'm working on a rainbow list but I'm realizing that it will have more value later on. there's a few reads that I want to look back over some isos with to see if they still hold up. like I.e. i feel like I trust epignosis but I don't remember why or if it was for a good reason. also i want to take a nap cus I'm sleepy

Speed's like "I'm bad at mafia" and Kyle is trying to figure out if he can trust the host.

[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

Paint me a pretty rainbow, please. Gimmie all your best tinfoil, too.

Yeah, that's about Chuck.

Why is Kyle worse than that?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:33 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:30 pm Jack I'm only ignoring your suspicions in order to pursue my own. You are doing essentially the same thing. We're both town.

No.

You flat said you don't suspect Speedchuck. I was yelling to lynch DH yesterday and you haven't brought anything new to the table on Kyle. I'm not ignoring your shit.

Idk what you want me to say then I think DH and Kyle are our baddies and that's what I'm pushing.

I want you to say why Kyle’s not being present is more damning than Speedchuck being present, agreeing with the DH case, not really having a Kness case and continually sneaking away from DH to vote Kness anyway while showing a lack of townie solving.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:57 pm Anyway there ya go Jackie boi

Thank you for making me feel validated.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:30 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:29 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:24 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:22 pm Get outta here with that nonsense scumboi

You're all on my shit today and yesterday you voted to keep me alive idk man smells like a mafia who knows theres like, two maybe even one mislynch to go before its curtains.

Sounds like Speedchuck, doesn't it?

Tell me what you think about Speedchuck, who we are lynching today because he is mafia.

I'm working on that right now tbh

That's a brilliant idea.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:30 pm Jack I'm only ignoring your suspicions in order to pursue my own. You are doing essentially the same thing. We're both town.

No.

You flat said you don't suspect Speedchuck. I was yelling to lynch DH yesterday and you haven't brought anything new to the table on Kyle. I'm not ignoring your shit.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:24 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:22 pm Get outta here with that nonsense scumboi

You're all on my shit today and yesterday you voted to keep me alive idk man smells like a mafia who knows theres like, two maybe even one mislynch to go before its curtains.

Sounds like Speedchuck, doesn't it?

Tell me what you think about Speedchuck, who we are lynching today because he is mafia.