The Syndicate

So we can start with him.

But I have a hit list, and I'm considering putting you on it.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:03 pm Mac is self voting? Idgi. Does anyone remember him doing this before in a game?

Not sure.

I mean, Sig apparently told him to do so this game. So we should lynch Sig for suggesting it as well.

I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Hot take: Self-voting should literally not be allowed in mafia games.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:39 am I 100% disagree about that progression.

Jack was sure Nutella was scum and said so loudly.

Mac said Nutella was town and Jack was scum with basically no explanation.

Then, after nothing changed between Jack and Nutella, Mac adopted the idea that Jack is always right about Nutella and therefore she is bad and if she’s not, whatever. An excuse to pretend that makes Jack scum.

The not tiny part would be an understandable opinion to have if he started with it or he developed it. That didn’t happen. That opinion appears to have spontaneously generated. More likely, Mac saw a way to shade two players who had each accumulated 6ish votes at some point during the day, hoping for a one two lynch and lynch of players not on his team.

It’s worse than no progression. There’s agenda in it.

Sounds pretty non-subtle as flip-flops go. Do you think scum mac would be subtle or no?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:26 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:16 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:21 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:57 am I have a question for the thread that I just want to make sure gets asked before we get too absorbed in interactive analyses: who are the most suspicious players independent of Radishes?

I’m gonna be out for the day. Continue hunting for both teams, y’all.
Mac
Sprityo
Dizzy
Last I checked, Dizzy was locktown. What's up?
I've been saying he may be scum for awhie. Why locked town?

also I don't have like a real case case on him. Mainly tone/yesterday's lynch actions which were odd.

Lock might be a strong word, but Dizzy is one of my top town reads. Tossing Dizzy up as a most suspicious character without an actual case is worse than what I'm doing.

Which is putting them up as a top townread without an actual case.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:21 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:57 am I have a question for the thread that I just want to make sure gets asked before we get too absorbed in interactive analyses: who are the most suspicious players independent of Radishes?

I’m gonna be out for the day. Continue hunting for both teams, y’all.
Mac
Sprityo
Dizzy

Last I checked, Dizzy was locktown. What's up?

Scumlynch, nice.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:11 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:09 pm [VOTE: Ted] aubergine

I could be persuaded to vote Mac pretty easily.
Hey you should vote mac

wow okay that sounds good [VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

I could be persuaded to vote Mac pretty easily.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:50 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:44 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.
I actually wanna hear this
There's not much to hear, yo. You give me vibes. Even with this post you give me vibes.

"Someone suspects me!? I LAUGH! Tell me of this inconsequential suspicion, fellow townie, and we'll work it out over tea." It's, just, it doesn't feel genuine.
It comes more from a PoV of me having a civ role and transparently laying out my thoughts, which would make me believe I'm obvious town (I never filter my thoughts) and me never being mislynched in one year of mafia is also contributing towards this. I'd rarely been suspected as town so I have high expectation when such claims occur.

Ok, I got lynched once but that was when I was on a holiday at the sea and I didn't care enough to stress myself

Too calculated a response. Bad.

I mean, if you're seriously genuine here, then you have an ego the size of a train and self-analysis out the butt. It doesn't read like transparently laying out thoughts.

So hey, if you never get mislynched, and we lynch you today, then you must be scum, right? Otherwise you wouldn't get lynched.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.
I actually wanna hear this

There's not much to hear, yo. You give me vibes. Even with this post you give me vibes.

"Someone suspects me!? I LAUGH! Tell me of this inconsequential suspicion, fellow townie, and we'll work it out over tea." It's, just, it doesn't feel genuine.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.
Expand on this, mr chuck

I got weird vibes from Ted D1, and then he appeared reluctant to address Dizzy's 'scumslip' on him. It wasn't the slip itself that bothered me, but his forced nonchalance about it? Something like that. Lol at her flipping votes, though.

The Mac read is nothing special. I agree with what Jay said about his Dom post, and a few other sentiments expressed in the past two pages.

Dizzy and Dom both seemed like fairly stable, level heads in the thread D1. I like town dizzy and town dom.

Bonus: I don't care to lynch G-man.

Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

I've had possibly the busiest day I've had in a month. I will show up and try to provide a modicum of content tomorrow.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:27 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:29 pm Wozzit called? Stream of consciousness. Thassit.

Since that post I have at least been told why someone would vote master radishes. This post was entirely based on ISOs
What'd you see in the ISO before you were told why?

Reasonable D1 suspicions. Sincerity.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:33 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:32 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.
I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.
1. Reason wasnt crappy
2. Was laying out my thought process.

It would be imo so much worse to instantly switch off since Jack changed his mind, especially since I didnt base my vote solely off his read and two she wasn't a civ?

Not to mention I stated a few times she wasnt my top lynch which Is why I switched off once things evened our a bit.

Some of your reasons were crappy. And you had some perfectly good reasons. Overcompensating to justify staying on nutella. Meh. Minor sus.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:04 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:50 pm Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.
This post looks bogus.

Both wagons are shiny turds. But I understand why people suspect nutella. Here's a reason why I understand. But lynching her is wonky. But. Then the sentence about Radish is more strongly stated than would seem reasonable. No idea. Anyone. Dramatic

Wozzit called? Stream of consciousness. Thassit.

Since that post I have at least been told why someone would vote master radishes. This post was entirely based on ISOs

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:47 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:42 pm Also that lynch post was perfect. Salutations to you nanook.

I think this lynch result is a good look for Jack.
If he hadn't have backpedaled I'd agree. His post flip posts also read meh to me.

Why do you think he looks good from it.

He was certain he wasn't seeing good nutella, enough to boldly sing it into the streets.
Then he wasn't so certain he was seeing bad nutella, later.

Jack is AU me, and it seems like the way I'd coincidentally handle something like that while being 100% correct.

I don't have anything firm here, though. On a whim, it's like Jack was sorta right and had no way of concretely knowing that, and it feels neat.

Also that lynch post was perfect. Salutations to you nanook.

I think this lynch result is a good look for Jack.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:47 pm I am
1. Beyond happy someone actually used the leeroy role
2. It didn’t kill town
3. Nanook wasn’t even in danger of being lynched and said fuck it

Same~!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:39 pm Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.
Like this is a really townie post if Nutella is bad and a really scummy post if she's town because Mac's hiding behind me.

This had better be a joke because it's a logic break otherwise.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:53 pm I could maybe lynch Mac. Idk.

Linki: But what if we haven't read any of those reasons but Jay's? Checkmate, athiests.

Or even Jay's, for that matter. [mention]nutella[/mention]

Some of us have only read 2% of the thread. Instead of looking for reasons, I read Mister Radishes' ISO.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:50 pm Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.
What do you think about sloonei's point from a few posts ago?

Ah, didn't see that post. I can see it.

I've also said the same thing myself several times as town [citation needed but I think I have]. I might could do it this game, but I wouldn't have time to follow up if someone DID tell me what to do!

Some part of me realizes that not much good comes from 'tell me what to do' though, so I do see it now.
Is that why everyone is voting there? For a point that was made only after everyone already voted there?

Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:47 pm I've not voted yet so I haven't seen the poll. Who is in the 4th slot on Nutella, Jack, and/or me?

Thar be scum. Bet me.

Yay! Someone else ascribes to the "fourth is scum" theory of vote trains!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:08 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:06 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:50 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:25 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:19 pmNah, I'm talking about APPEAL to emotion. The idea of 'OMG how could you do this please lynch this person and not me because I'll feel just so awful if you lynch me uwu'

I hate appeal to emotion and it's lost several games to scum on this site.
I'll feel awful if you don't read me town, Speed. =(

But like. Are you caught up and stuff? Who are your main suspicions? I miss the days when you posted all the time.
Aww. I wouldn't want you to feel awful! Dizzy

Heck no I'm not caught up. I've read like 3 pages and skimmed another 5. I accidentally got myself into temporarily working 2 jobs a couple weeks ago and between that and my infant, life is a storm right now. People can suspect me though, that's fine. I miss the days when I posted all the time, too. It was easier to spearhead an accusation instead of bandwagoning on someone, which I'll probably have to do today.
How’d you accidentally get a second job? This is the most interesting thing in the thread tbh

I worked two for about 3 months starting when my infant was like 7 months, but I did it on purpose
I thought I'd audition for some audiobook productions, since I've improved my voiceover and editing abilities over the past year. I thought maybe I'd see what sort of feedback or offers I might get.

I got all of them. Now I'm swamped with audio work until mid-May.
Oh that’s pretty cool though! What do you use for editing, audition? Or are you a fancy pro tools man? I need to get better at my sound editing, definitely a weak spot for me.

Just audacity. Editing a single vocal stereo track isn't bad.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:50 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:25 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:19 pmNah, I'm talking about APPEAL to emotion. The idea of 'OMG how could you do this please lynch this person and not me because I'll feel just so awful if you lynch me uwu'

I hate appeal to emotion and it's lost several games to scum on this site.
I'll feel awful if you don't read me town, Speed. =(

But like. Are you caught up and stuff? Who are your main suspicions? I miss the days when you posted all the time.
Aww. I wouldn't want you to feel awful! Dizzy

Heck no I'm not caught up. I've read like 3 pages and skimmed another 5. I accidentally got myself into temporarily working 2 jobs a couple weeks ago and between that and my infant, life is a storm right now. People can suspect me though, that's fine. I miss the days when I posted all the time, too. It was easier to spearhead an accusation instead of bandwagoning on someone, which I'll probably have to do today.
How’d you accidentally get a second job? This is the most interesting thing in the thread tbh

I worked two for about 3 months starting when my infant was like 7 months, but I did it on purpose

I thought I'd audition for some audiobook productions, since I've improved my voiceover and editing abilities over the past year. I thought maybe I'd see what sort of feedback or offers I might get.

I got all of them. Now I'm swamped with audio work until mid-May.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:50 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:34 pm I need a nap. I probably have more thoughts, but those can wait I guess.

I want to hear from Nanook and G-Man especially probably.

What is Turnip like as scum? Anyone?
In the Yun Qui game (what game was that anybody? Can't remember the name.) he was bad and head of a team (the Yun Qui) with townies on it including me and nutella. I hate to speak for her but I think we both found him credible for a long time, he kept us working as a team and was downright charming. It wasn't at all like I see him here where he doesn't have much to say. @nutella may remember more of his behavior.

Firefly maybe? (Yeesh that game was a riot.)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:34 pm What is Turnip like as scum? Anyone?

Hawt.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:17 pm So Jack backing down on Nutella is meh for a few reasons.

1. He was so confident and into it, to suddenly 180 just doesn't look good for either of them.
2. *Adjusts tin foil hat* What's the chance they're on the same team? Didn't expect this to happen and it blew out of proportion or vice verse Jack is just mafia and did this without expecting results. However, he knew if Nutella was flipped partly due to his push he'd be next.
3. I don't think the progression of "I can read Nutella" to I want to give her more time, but still isn't sure seems very genuine.
4. Nutella's reaction to Jack and her tone were both two things I really didn't like, that doesn't change with Jack pulling his suspicion of her.

I also feel like if we all move off Nutella, what's to stop this from being Jack vs Nutella on Day 2 or 3 when he does the same thing? The door is definitely still open.

Nah.

Point number one is valid, which is why Jack wouldn't do it.
Point number two includes a tinfoil hat, so I'll let it stand with that caveat.
Points number three and four are fair enough.

The last thing is just a terrible reason to lynch someone though holy crap. I suss.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:29 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:19 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:04 am - Says he doesn't see any ATE in Nutella's posts. I interpreted this as him not seeing any emotion in Nutella's posts which I disagree with. I see a lot of emotion.
Nah, I'm talking about APPEAL to emotion. The idea of 'OMG how could you do this please lynch this person and not me because I'll feel just so awful if you lynch me uwu'

I hate appeal to emotion and it's lost several games to scum on this site.
Ok speed thanks for the clarification.

That said nutella does get a lot more emotional after Mac turns on her. I see why she has votes.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:19 pmNah, I'm talking about APPEAL to emotion. The idea of 'OMG how could you do this please lynch this person and not me because I'll feel just so awful if you lynch me uwu'

I hate appeal to emotion and it's lost several games to scum on this site.
I'll feel awful if you don't read me town, Speed. =(

But like. Are you caught up and stuff? Who are your main suspicions? I miss the days when you posted all the time.

Aww. I wouldn't want you to feel awful! Dizzy

Heck no I'm not caught up. I've read like 3 pages and skimmed another 5. I accidentally got myself into temporarily working 2 jobs a couple weeks ago and between that and my infant, life is a storm right now. People can suspect me though, that's fine. I miss the days when I posted all the time, too. It was easier to spearhead an accusation instead of bandwagoning on someone, which I'll probably have to do today.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:43 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:38 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:55 pm @speedchuck do you have any developed thoughts on jack and/or nutella? What about anyone else in the game?
I think the Jack/Nutella thing was interesting, primarily because of reactions to it. Tedxtr's reaction was notable, like he was incredibly pro-nutella and focused on nutella. Dunno if that's changed.

@tedxtr do you know nutella prior to this?
What is this post

Is it blank? I feel like I'm looking at a blank post here

Oh i must’ve missed this but thanks for pointing it out

No I don’t, why’s that relevant? My point was the AtE from her felt forced and it tempers with my handling of the slot.

speedchuck

I've played a game before where scum were nervous due to a combination of being sorta new to the site and players. They compensated by interacting with people they knew more than anyone else. Something you aren't doing. Good on you!

I still don't see any AtE and that makes your defense awkward to me, but whatever mate.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:04 am - Says he doesn't see any ATE in Nutella's posts. I interpreted this as him not seeing any emotion in Nutella's posts which I disagree with. I see a lot of emotion.

Nah, I'm talking about APPEAL to emotion. The idea of 'OMG how could you do this please lynch this person and not me because I'll feel just so awful if you lynch me uwu'

I hate appeal to emotion and it's lost several games to scum on this site.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:55 pm @speedchuck do you have any developed thoughts on jack and/or nutella? What about anyone else in the game?

I think the Jack/Nutella thing was interesting, primarily because of reactions to it. Tedxtr's reaction was notable, like he was incredibly pro-nutella and focused on nutella. Dunno if that's changed.

@tedxtr do you know nutella prior to this?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:58 pm But ted's insistence on how much he hates AtE and then saying we should lynch anyone who does is... is.... an appeal... to emotion...

I'm the one who said that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:54 pm Like Nutella is playing what I would expect from her if she tried really hard to mimic her town game.

Or she’s just town.

Like she’s hitting her scumtell a and her towntells.
This seems to be the epicenter of the Jacktella quake. I am brought to wonder:

How do we (we who know nutella) anticipate her to respond to a post like this, where is she is told she is playing to her norms in both alignments? This is an accusation from Jack after all, even if "softened" by the town half of the presentation. I'm not surprised nutella called it garbage, or that she wondered aloud if a mafioso Jack would be so obvious as to openly hedge in this manner.

Is that where it started? Did he push any harder?

Because I'd be surprised to see nutella offended by this cushy push. More like 'meh' and 'jack do you even have an opinion'

I don't see any AtE in nutella's ISO? I don't know what anyone is going on aboot.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:44 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:43 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:07 pm You’re totally AtEing
It's spelled EATing.

(seriously what is AtE)
Appeal to Emotion

Ah, I see. We should lynch everyone who does that. I friggin HATE AtE.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:34 pm Cases Are Scummy

Then I'm towncore.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:07 pm You’re totally AtEing

It's spelled EATing.

(seriously what is AtE)

I would rather vote nutella than jack, because nutella will start scumreading me any minute now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:05 pm speedchuck. What are you doing speedchuck. What's going on with these seven posts of yours, speedchuck.

Not a whole lot. What's going on with your

*checks*

59 why the hell.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:25 pm New poll.

Favourite spread:

-Strawberry jam
-Marmalade
-Peanut Butter
-Marmite
-Vegemite

...think that covers it.

PB.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:52 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:46 pm Mint chocolate chip is thin mints in ice cream form. Why on god’s minty green earth would anyone dislike that?
Thin Mints are nasty.
This also does not compute.

Mint + Chocolate = no likey.

I can see why people like it, but it's a no from me. The tastes are not meant to be combined. Like pineapple on pizza.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:46 pm Mint chocolate chip is thin mints in ice cream form. Why on god’s minty green earth would anyone dislike that?

Thin Mints are nasty.

nutella is mafia for liking mint ice cream

that's gross

Oh lol Vanilla love. Right.

Vanilla isn't even close to the best ice cream, but the best flavors aren't on the poll.

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