speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:01 pm
Liar.
[VOTE:
Tony] aubergine
Sorry I can't be around today. I'll try for better tomorrow.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:11 pm
Tony seems a pretty obvious lynch tbh. If we don't we're boned.
linki: he told me he had a cop.
Sorry I'm quite behind.
Caught one. Nutella and JJJ both make mention of it at this point -- it's pretty clear that Speed is panicking. There's no reason to do so if he's not scum -- everyone else has acted either confused or resigned. This gives me two pieces of info: 1) Speed is scum, since he assumes I'm telling the truth AND he thinks he has to do something about it, and 2) Desmond is also scum. Speed can cover under "TSP doesn't make sense" and get away with a Lynch next day if Desmond is town. In fact, he'd do all he can to get me to use the power. I suppose that opens up WIFOM here but I didn't think about that then.
The dual apology thing is important to note here -- he has an agenda but tries to cover it by being behind. For the second one, it's clear that he's picked up all of the relevant information, so it's not that he's behind in terms of what's going on but just in terms of discourse. That's distinctly scum, who usually has to make sure not to get behind in that sense whereas town does not.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:14 pm
I'm not counter-claiming, I'm calling Tony a liar based on his own posts.
Letting scum with a free extra kill live right now will cost the game.
Speed continues. It seems in some sense, like a real push. He has no ground to stand on but he knows he needs me dead to win. This post is why I went for speed instead of LC last night.
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:46 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:41 pm
LC is gonna be so confused after he catches up
LOL why? So far a lot of the talk is about you using a specific-character-kill. I don't really get the confusion, maybe it's because you slowplayed the claim so much. I've seen that type of role as both town and Mafia aligned before, and it's not that uncomon.
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:48 pm
LOL ok I'm a bit confused. Tony says his role is to kill Desmond. He targets a player every odd night, and if they're Desmond, then they die. No?
"LOL tell" should be a thing. It's a sign of being uncomfortable. For me LC is only uncomfortable here if he's Desmond or he's mafia. I've already established here that if he's Desmond, he's mafia. So this is my first sign that LC is scum. But LC to his credit doesn't come in barging like Speed does, he takes a more paced approach. In some sense, too paced. Everyone else is confused and LC's first response is "I understand perfectly" and then he qualifies that.
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:53 pm
Tony, you gonna use it tonight?
This goes back to Desmond/Mafia --> Mafia. This is a strangely pleading thing. I don't think anyone else bothered to ask me. First, it assumes I'm town. If I'm scum of course I use the power. That's at odds with what LC continues to push: me/speed.
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:57 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:18 pm
speedchuck screaming in here with LIAR and voting for Not Epignosis stinks something awful
i mean this is good info 'cause this is just way too much for tsp / speed to be partners. unless this is another thing y'all do on this forum
that helps me 'cause it means lc's a good lynch after epi
If Epignosis' lynch is nigh-inevitable today, then that's a great way to do some distancing.
There's something to be said about the option where LC is town but isn't sure if I'm scum. He would react similarly if he were Desmond, scum was FG and Speed, and Speed substantially misread my power. That's not very likely, but was enough to add to the ultimately fatal "reasons for targeting Speed over LC list last night.
Two more quick posts that sealed the deal:
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm
Is Nanook known for strange roles like that? My role is nowhere near as unusual.
did you see Mac's?
That is a cool role.
And unusual... and I want to steal it for my next game.
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:04 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:03 pm
I believe the world we are in is one in which finding Desmond is the only winning line Mafia have. Therefore, I suggest we continue with the Epignosis lynch, and if we lose in the night I will take responsibility. We cannot play around scum Tony if they are telling the truth here unless we lynch them, and I personally believe that is not the course of action we should take.
Agreed. We can't risk the lynch when we have a big fish already on the hook.
These posts are interesting because they both do the same thing: respond to Speedchuck. The first one less significantly, but it allowed me to go back and check and see that indeed, LC and Speed had ZERO interaction either way on day 3. LC would later put speed in his 3s list, I'm not sure if Speed made one. But why would LC as town piggyback on a TS post to respond to Speed without ever doing it himself? It makes no sense.
There's some more but in a reread of late d3 you can see it for yourself.
