The Syndicate

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Soooo... Banners?

Sorry for the delay guys. I'm going to try and get some graphics from MR to get the ball rolling on the banners. I appreciate your patience.

I'll toss a vote on Dreamy, just as a welcome to her for joining us here.

Seriously awesome to see you Dream, but i think I have my reservations about how that last lynch went down and I am comfortable pursuing a lynch on you.

Also, I am not surprised by the flip of Alex's role, but frankly I don't care. He has a shit ton of work to do with his current class, and one less mafia game is a good thing.

I only voted to kill you because I love you. And I have to live with you, so you know, I'd rather you stay sane...

Well, I guess Alex has imploded so I'll put my vow there considering he shouldn't be passing anyway and I don't have time to catch up...

I am sorry guys, I have family visiting me and gave not had time for getting online. But they leave early this evening so once they are gone I will catch up and play properly. Very very sorry.

I see I've been talked about again. I've been less active the last few days because I'm working like a mug, nine days straight and I'm trying to prepare for my family to visit at the same time.

I don't care if people agree with me because I'm forming and voicing my own opinions, not trying to start a bandwagon and convince people to vote the way I want. I don't have btsc. And it's no secret that I don't trust aces so I have no problem voting there.

*votes Aces*

It feels like every lynch has been a mad dash to lynch someone other than the front runner in the last few minutes. Every lynch has felt weird to me in this game.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Hello All! I'm excited to try and get back into the games! I'll do my best to keep my participation and general helpfulness up

Can anyone give me a brief, unbiased summary of the suspicions thus far? At least, as unbiased as humanly possible at this point. Lol.
I'm going to try and read up on how the whole map thing works, along with the rest of the game mechanics.

DEVIN! It's so good to have you back!

I honestly don't know. I don't understand where the case on BF even came from, but it's easy to say post result that I wouldn't have voted there so whatever.

I'm sorry I missed this vote guys. Won't happen again.

I thought I knew what had happened during the last lynch right when it did, but it quickly became clear that I was incorrect. So I have no idea who did it, but it wasn't me. And the way the host wrote it makes it pretty clear that it is focused on Aces rather than me. I even talked to him about it just to be sure he realized the votes piled on me at the end. I don't know what happened but it was not because of me.

Ok, I'll leave you guys to your drunken antics. I should sleep anyway because I open tomorrow. Night guys!

I was not asking how many squares, I was asking how many times. I mean what is the frequency of being able to move? Because I've only moved once, but I am pretty sure I forgot to move at least once, so have I missed more than that?

Yeah I'm not sure how people got map BTsc alreayd, but then I think I missed moving at some point too because I only moved once. How many times have we been able to move at most so far?

Sadly no.

Drunk mafia is most enjoyable when you are the sober one reading the drunken posts.

LMAO

Who is Xerox copy in the poll? It confuses me.

Welcome back llama.

Awe BR! You make me blush!

Just so you know, I was not being shady or manipulative. Was pointing out what I truly suspect and why. Agree or not, whatever. Obviously no one else sees it, but I'm fairly certain myself.

You all just don't know how to read talkative Daisy.

This game is funny.

Bullz, allow me make it clear why I voted you because of Aces voting BF. See, Day 1, Llama got lynched and flipped Flash. BF was his biggest defender. It makes it seem like BF would be the least likely baddie at that moment. Day 2, BF and Bullz go at each other. Aces comes in out of nowhere and drops a vote on BF, why? You guys going at each other (and you certainly looking worse than BF) and he jumps in to vote BF, looks bad to both of you, so that's why I voted you.

You all don't agree with my suspicion of LC, whatever. But I am willing to bet by end game you will see LC will not flip civ. He may be Indy, which is why I am willing to vote for Aces instead. But I will be shocked if he is civ. That's my opinion, agree or not, I don't care.

TH, I said fair enough, I still think you are suspicious meaning, "Iacknowledge that you are giving a defense, i, just not buying it." I can see how it looks like, you're right but I just going to suspect you anyway, which is not what I meant. I do think his actions around this magenta stuff is shady, but I am willing to vote somewhere else today and put him on a back burner seeing as how I'm apparently the only person suspecting him. In particular, I am perfectly fine with *voting Aces* for his vote on Day 1, his appearance and just dropping a vote onto the bandwagon here today.

LC to answer your question, the original misinterpretation of some win cons, which in all fairness you corrected later and I realize that, though I don't recall if it was after someone else commented or not. It is minor thing honestly, but it just adds to my greater concern of how you were handling lynches regarding magenta. Anytime someone seems to be vocally encouraging an idea that the lynch will most certainly be pardoned it makes me feel like civs are encouraged to not worry so much about where their votes are placed. It felt very off to me, and a good way to shirk one's own responsibility for their vote. I don't like it. Why would you as a seasoned mafia player ever think it is good strategy to rely on an Indy to do something for your team? It doesn't add up for me.

Regardless, I still am keeping you on my watch list, but I am more interested in Aces at the moment.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Sometimes I feel like playing mafia is somewhat akin to talking to a wall for me anymore. In death note I didn't comment on the fact things I said were largely ignored because I was bad and did t want to draw attention to myself unnecessarily, but here it is just plain annoying. Does anyone want to discuss LC? Or am I the only one who feels bad about him?

I do want to comment on one of your posts, but I just woke up. I will start the day with asking you how yours is going and giving you a hug though!

Awe thanks DH! Mine sucked, but I'm home now so it's better.

Roxy wrote:As for other things -

Daisy - LC has been doing the helpful thingin every game I have ever played with him - I mean he is no aapje but he does do this always irregardless of alignment. Right now I am not seeing your case on him.

DH- you never responded to me but I also think SVS does this mamam bear thing often. I am not sure if she is bad this game tbh I am feeling she isn't.

bf - others are right your posts read as sour grapes inre: the Bass lynch. I must say it twitched my nose.

I do not see where everyone is getting this helpful recent trend shit from? I did not use this as my basis for not trusting him, so why is this even a thing?

Long Con wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

timmer wrote:SD, I'm on the fence regarding Long Con. I see your points about him appearing very helpful etc. but I think I've seen him do that a few games recently, so I'm sure how to read it. And I feel like his Magenta tilde breakdown is likely correct, so it IS a bit surprising that the lynch stop hasn't happened yet. I don't really think he's civ necessarily, just... I'm meh on him. Not sure one way or the other. But your case seems based on gut, which I respect but it can be hard to jump onboard someone else's gut feeling, you know?

My problem with him, and my gut feeling is based not on his tilde breakdown. I have no problem with that. My read on him is how he keeps calling for magenta to pardon a lynch or excusing his vote as soon as it is cast it seemed on the basis "magenta will probably pardon you." I just do not see any reason why a civ would think that relying on an Indy that only need survive to win, would expect the Indy would use their lynch pardon to help the civs. I don't buy it from LC, I think he is a better and more experienced player than that, this combined with his misinterpretation, which I found troubling but not condemning on its own is what makes me feel super uncomfortable with him right now.

What is the misinterpretation you speak of?

And it's because I'm an experienced player that I believe Magenta's best move is to sacrifice the lynch save to gain the BTSC. Why don't you agree? An indy that just needs to survive to win has to avoid lynches AND nightkills. Gaining BTSC with the Detectives would help a great deal on both fronts.

Spacedaisy wrote:I wasn't trying to make it look some certain way, that implies manipulation. I was stating outright the way it read to me, and in the same post said maybe you meant it differently than it read. If I were trying to manipulate it, I would not have given you an out.

Well, you gave me an out, and I confirmed that you were reading it wrong, and you still believe that you read it right? That's... not really much of an out, is it? It's more of an out for you than for me.

And my posts on Llama are not that open to interpretation... I'm pretty clear in what I say in them. You haven't actually explained how to read them your way, maybe if you could do that, it would help your case?

I never said I still believe I read it right. I said even dropping that I still find your actions suspect.

Long Con wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Now I understand your whole "That was my read of the situation" comment, but my read of the situation is that LC is calling Llama's tactic heavy-handed, not FZ's case. And that there is no turnaround, but a follow-through in the post you quoted.

Ok, for the first time, I may understand Spacedaisy's point of view there. I never got how she could see the statements as contradictory... Spacedaisy, did you read the first comment as me calling FZ heavy-handed?

Yes, and it seemed weird to me, your turnaround, so I thought I might be misunderstanding it, thus why I said it.

I wasn't trying to make it look some certain way, that implies manipulation. I was stating outright the way it read to me, and in the same post said maybe you meant it differently than it read. If I were trying to manipulate it, I would not have given you an out.

timmer wrote:SD, I'm on the fence regarding Long Con. I see your points about him appearing very helpful etc. but I think I've seen him do that a few games recently, so I'm sure how to read it. And I feel like his Magenta tilde breakdown is likely correct, so it IS a bit surprising that the lynch stop hasn't happened yet. I don't really think he's civ necessarily, just... I'm meh on him. Not sure one way or the other. But your case seems based on gut, which I respect but it can be hard to jump onboard someone else's gut feeling, you know?

My problem with him, and my gut feeling is based not on his tilde breakdown. I have no problem with that. My read on him is how he keeps calling for magenta to pardon a lynch or excusing his vote as soon as it is cast it seemed on the basis "magenta will probably pardon you." I just do not see any reason why a civ would think that relying on an Indy that only need survive to win, would expect the Indy would use their lynch pardon to help the civs. I don't buy it from LC, I think he is a better and more experienced player than that, this combined with his misinterpretation, which I found troubling but not condemning on its own is what makes me feel super uncomfortable with him right now.

Long Con wrote:SD: Also, I sympathize with your "talking to a wall" thing... that's how most of what I say is received in most games. It drives me crazy too. Some players get listened to, and some just don't have the knack.

I listen to you in games, as long as I trust you that is.

Long Con wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Sometimes I feel like playing mafia is somewhat akin to talking to a wall for me anymore. In death note I didn't comment on the fact things I said were largely ignored because I was bad and did t want to draw attention to myself unnecessarily, but here it is just plain annoying. Does anyone want to discuss LC? Or am I the only one who feels bad about him?

Rabbit would probably be happy to discuss me with you, and BF has stated that he suspects me as well.

Maybe you should make a case if you want people to respond to it. It's not easy to respond to "I don't feel good about him".

I did make a very clear case, quoted posts and all. This is a bogus comment and you know it.

Sometimes I feel like playing mafia is somewhat akin to talking to a wall for me anymore. In death note I didn't comment on the fact things I said were largely ignored because I was bad and did t want to draw attention to myself unnecessarily, but here it is just plain annoying. Does anyone want to discuss LC? Or am I the only one who feels bad about him?

I think I made it clear over the night, I am not seeing civ LC so far. Therefore I voted you. Votes are changeable, so no reason to not vote it early

*votes LC*

I just don't believe you are civ. Everything in your posts up to this point have felt like you are off, trying to appear civ, but not really. And your comments about magenta only make me feel less comfortable with you.

Regarding my comment about your posts on the llama case. I did not say I was misreading it, I said I might be, because if I read it the way it felt natural to me, it seemed contradictory. So I was allowing I could be misunderstanding you on that point. And I am willing to concede from your remarks that I was. Regardless, it doesnot change my overall opinion of your gameplay so far. I don't think you are civ.

So, I am frankly not feeling Log Con this game at all. Allow me to explain what I see so far that I really don't like...

Long Con wrote:So llama is deliberately trying to act in such a way that is like a previous Civ game? Is that supposed to make us think he's Civ in this one? Kind of heavy handed.

When FZ brings up her case this was his initial case. Unless I am misreading it, it appears as though LC thinks it is heavy handed for Llama. Which would imply that he finds it difficult to swallow. I could be misreading this though....

If I am not, his turnaround to this next post seems odd. Especially since he didnti say anything regarding llama in the intervening posts.

Long Con wrote:My vote is going to Llama, not that it will matter much for now, for playing the "just like Civvie Llama in X-Men" too hard. I also thought that the post about other ways Llama is "acting too Civvie-Llama" was a good read.

Now he starts in on assuming Magenta will use a lynch stop Day 1. The following posts all deal with this:

Long Con wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Long Con wrote: I doubt he'll die even if he gets the most votes anyway.

Why do you doubt he 'll die?

I don't think anyone will die in this lynch because Magenta is pretty likely to stop the lynch. I might as well stop being coy about it. I'm pretty sure I have her secret figured out.

Magenta – She is a former love interest of Wally West and has magnetic abilities. She can prevent one lynch during the game. If she does, she will gain BTSC with the Detectives.

If I were Magenta, I would stop the Day One lynch and get my BTSC with the Detectives ASAP.

Long Con wrote:Noooo! Now we won't get any more letters! Magenta, why didn't you stop the lynch???

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I think I solved Girder's secret, but it was more logical than linguistic.

Girder – A man transformed into pure metal. ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~.

Girder cannot be night killed.

Looks good to me. And BF, that is possible, feel free to look for different solutions. I think it's more likely that Magenta either wasn't paying much attention (as I recall there was some latecomers not-caught-up) or just plain didn't agree with wasting a lynch save. I think BTSC is a way more powerful ability than a lynch save.

Long Con wrote:Oh, and Magenta... good call on not saving him. It seems as though you are choosing to save your lynch save for a rainy day, or whatever... just want to remind you that it could mean the difference between Wally West chatting it up with you and Pied Piper... and Wally West killing you.

Frankly, these posts read a lot to me like a lack of taking responsibility for your own vote. It's easy to cast a vote, preface it with, oh he probably won't die anyway, then when he does die, you can shake your fist and blame someone else. I think it is foolishness to expect an Indy whose only goal is to survive to use the lynch save on someone other than themself. I expect more from you LC. Your musings surrounding the roles of the indies so far has been questionable at best, I just don't understand your purposes.

Well done DH!

No stress Sophie. Real life trumps mafia. Do what you need, we will still be here, maybe even still waiting on this lynch result, lol.

blindfaeth wrote:Th, you seem to be a bundle full of non suspicions. I get that you say you suspect roxy, but she's silenced. And you're looking at ika and soneji, but they are lower posters and also new to our forum and unfamiliar with our customs. I have a hard time believing you can't come up with something more convincing. These three are an easy out for coming up with suspects on day 2.

If this were the case then I would say that either Epi or Bullz are baddies with him because they seem like the easier lynch candidate for today to me....

Metalmarsh89 wrote:And since there are 6 players who haven't posted, that could account for 3 pairs of BTSC.

I don't understand this thought. Why would having not posted = BTSC? In my experience, people with BTSC tend to be more engaged with the thread because their conversations BTS keep them invested. For my part, I simply have had a busy couple days.

AceofSpaces wrote:I voted for Blindfaeth I'm sorry I haven't been more active. It was a busy weekend for me. I'll be posting more as the week goes on.

Wait, what? I suspected BF Day 1, but the landscape has changed now and I think at the moment there is no real good reason to suspect him, but you came in and voted him?

Bullzeye wrote:

FZ. wrote: I'm not talking about when you do an obvious screw up. I'm talking about when you play the game and people just start going after you.

I think anyone would be mad. In fact, I know it. I'm quite annoyed that I might be lynched as a civ day 2 because of a case that makes no sense. If anything I'm more annoyed than I would be if I were bad.

Bullz dear, I love you, who way back. But surely it is not such a reach for someone to suspect a guy who went after and voted someone who flipped like llama did.

Frankly I was torn between bullz and bass, but the Aces vote makes me want to lynch bullz at this point and see what happens with bass from here. There are some other things that bear watching I think, but that is another subject.

*votes bullz*

If I'm wrong, at least you will be publicly vindicated when you flip, right? Better than getting killed by the civ ninja... I don't think this is a bad vote though.

Epignosis wrote:And I had my reasons for voting FZ. even if I was wrong.

Holy shit y'all! It must be mighty cold in hell right now, I never thought I would ever see those words!

FZ. wrote:BF, if you'd rather find my suspicion of him not genuine, rather than this obvious lie, then I'd say either you're logic is very bad, or you're bad.

Yeah, I am feeling BF being civ less and less as time goes by. He totally mischaracterized your case against llama...

Re: Epi/Elo, I suspected that he was doing exactly what both he and his wife have said he was doing. I have done the same to Alex when I knew he needed to be putting his attention somewhere other than mafia.

I'm going to put my vote on Bf right now.... We'll see if anything changes my mind.

Lol, I love drunk mafia, it makes things all kinds of enjoyable. And I am glad you are having fun too Sophie, sounds like you needed a lighthearted evening.

It has been said by Splints that she thinks llama would not act so crazy if he had BTSC, but let's be real, this is llama and he does whatever the heck he wants. He is cautious because he wants to be or crazy because he wants to be. I doubt his weird behavior is a tell of him not having good BTSC. I don't understand his obsess with the monkey, nor do I care tbqh. I gave up trying to figure out why he or Epi act weird and over the top, they just are sometimes. And other times, like in Death Note, he plays it very close to the vest. I have no read on him currently.

Epi and Elo. I am not inclined to vote either today, at least at the moment. I like to vote for Elo because I find her suspect, not simply based on Epi's declaration.

Rabbit, as far LC's comment, I have read most of his actions so far as being those of an Indy. But that doesn't mean he actually is an Indy, he could just as easily be a civ or a baddie trying to seem as non-threatening to the other alignment as possible. Which didn't work well for the yotsuba, so I doubt it will here either. But that is just my opinion so far.

Here is what I find odd. BF did some early baddie hunting, but he seemed to switch gears very abruptly and go silly for a while when some people defended against what he said and a couple others seemed to disagree with him. It felt really weird to me, but frankly I'm not sure what to make of it and I'm not all together sure my view of him isn't colored by my interaction with him so quickly into the game. Plus I feel like I just don't have any good experience reading him.

Epi, aside from Elo do you have any suspicions?

Ok. I was half expecting you to just say no, lol.

Did you want to?

DH, did you say why llama?

Sorry not more posting from me today. Seei worked this morning, ran errands this afternoon and then dove fully into the new book my sister sent me for my birthday which I am enjoying immensely. Just put it down because I was nodding off. Now I am going to sleep. Seeing as how we have not got into Day 1yet, I don't think this all matters much, but I wanted to at least communicate it and keep up with my rediscovered play style of posting like MP, only less of the tl;dr posts...