The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:21 am
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:17 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:14 am
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:12 am Yep I'm good with this for now
VOTE LYNCH NUTELLA
why?
I mentioned suspciions about you earlier so you can read up on those two, and you seem to be going eith whatever lynch is easy like me and mac. You went for extremely low hanging fruit on my lynch and were the only one to ask me multiple times about why i gave my role to iron dwarf which was extremely weak reasoning. So imo you were trying to oush that angle for my lynch.
I was not the only one to talk about the draft issue. In fact I'm pretty sure dunya brought it up first.

Your point? I didn't say you brought it up first? I said there were multiple things making me wary of you before, AND you were the one continuously tagging me for answers about it and then voted me on flimsy logic.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:19 am
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:17 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:14 am
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:12 am Yep I'm good with this for now
VOTE LYNCH NUTELLA
why?
Because it is extremely speculative? I am a new player here who was one of the last people to vote. Trying to gauge possible nefarious intention on who and what I assigned is extremely weak reasoning for a lynch chain ( completely ignoring in game content especially) as you have no clue why i did what I did and that method for deciphering intention is extremely non evidenced.

I mentioned suspciions about you earlier so you can read up on those two, and you seem to be going eith whatever lynch is easy like me and mac. You went for extremely low hanging fruit on my lynch and were the only one to ask me multiple times about why i gave my role to iron dwarf which was extremely weak reasoning. So imo you were trying to oush that angle for my lynch.
Why was it weak reasoning, besides the fact that you don't agree with it?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:14 am
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:12 am Yep I'm good with this for now
VOTE LYNCH NUTELLA
why?

I mentioned suspciions about you earlier so you can read up on those two, and you seem to be going eith whatever lynch is easy like me and mac. You went for extremely low hanging fruit on my lynch and were the only one to ask me multiple times about why i gave my role to iron dwarf which was extremely weak reasoning. So imo you were trying to oush that angle for my lynch.

Yep I'm good with this for now
VOTE LYNCH NUTELLA

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:02 am
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:47 amMafia is not a children's game lol
it is, it's played in scout camps, but that's also not really the point

They usually play werewolf, not actual mafia. Not to mention by your definition nearly all sports, chess, gymnastics, and a bunch other things are all "for kids".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:53 am
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:05 am Also if me and jayjay are just civ-civing than epi is defintely trying to use knowledge of me not being mafia to paint jayjay in a bad light
Could be.

"Going after easy targets" is weak in the absence of a civilian read on the alleged easy target. RDW is an easy target.

Who is rdw?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:40 am I dont believe that epi is mafia. I think his character is a reference to l'arachel the princess troubador and i don't think a lynch stop would be a wildly out of place ability for her. It's possible epi is a mafia with a thematically appropriate ability by coincidence but I think it's unlikely

also, can everyone plz chill? this is a silly internet version of a game for children, there's no reason to have emotions about it.

I'm hearing the same 4-5 voices right now, I want to hear what the other 19 voices think.

Mafia is not a children's game lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:06 am
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:04 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:00 am
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:59 pm Learn to read.

Why are you switching your vote? Take responsibility for the mess you've pushed for multiple day phases.
Because I think you're a civilian. I don't give a shit about any mess or your pitiful insults. I give a shit about where my vote is when the deadline arrives.
Why? You haven't explained how I went from a hard oragne to a civilian in your head yet, nor did you explain your current vote. Yet I'm supposed to be a mind reader and the one being vague?

Topkek at your high horse'ing when you got wayy more emotional earlier and told me to die.
Are you saying Jay hasn't made a case?

What? Are you even reading? I'm asking why he went from voting me multiple phases in a row, to switching his vote now that I've shown up with no justification on his switch from me or the current voe

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:01 am
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:57 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:51 pm People to watch Imo
Mac
Jjj
Rundontwalk
Longcon
Kyle
Nutella

Keep an eye on dunya as well, although she'spinging me the least. Just don't like people giving her the pass because of post count.
Bye scum
Great post. Sucks not being good doesn't it
I would expect fellow civs to be reading the thread enough to know dunya switched out. How will you find Mafia otherwise?

Have you been reading the thread enough to know I am heavily behind? I stated this and you apparently either missed it or disregarding it since you know, you're so caught up

Also if me and jayjay are just civ-civing than epi is defintely trying to use knowledge of me not being mafia to paint jayjay in a bad light

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:00 am
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:59 pm Learn to read.

Why are you switching your vote? Take responsibility for the mess you've pushed for multiple day phases.
Because I think you're a civilian. I don't give a shit about any mess or your pitiful insults. I give a shit about where my vote is when the deadline arrives.

Why? You haven't explained how I went from a hard oragne to a civilian in your head yet, nor did you explain your current vote. Yet I'm supposed to be a mind reader and the one being vague?

Topkek at your high horse'ing when you got wayy more emotional earlier and told me to die.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:58 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:57 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:54 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:52 pm I already argued this with you. You are either being purposefully daft to what I meant (especially since I explained it afterwards and you still kept pushing me being vague), or braindead . Pick your poison
I'm not the only one who didn't know what the hell you meant. You've loved to cite "other people" in this argument. Here's one for you. Is everyone who doesn't know what you meant either bullshitting or braindead?
Depends on if they are scum with you or your town and they are just parroting you because of your status here. Not sure why "interesting" in the post context would be confusing to anyone who has passed middle school tbf.
Your clarity is shit. Write better.

[VOTE: rundonwalk] aubergine

Learn to read.

Why are you switching your vote? Take responsibility for the mess you've pushed for multiple day phases.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:57 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:51 pm People to watch Imo
Mac
Jjj
Rundontwalk
Longcon
Kyle
Nutella

Keep an eye on dunya as well, although she'spinging me the least. Just don't like people giving her the pass because of post count.
Bye scum

Great post. Sucks not being good doesn't it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:54 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:52 pm I already argued this with you. You are either being purposefully daft to what I meant (especially since I explained it afterwards and you still kept pushing me being vague), or braindead . Pick your poison
I'm not the only one who didn't know what the hell you meant. You've loved to cite "other people" in this argument. Here's one for you. Is everyone who doesn't know what you meant either bullshitting or braindead?

Depends on if they are scum with you or your town and they are just parroting you because of your status here. Not sure why "interesting" in the post context would be confusing to anyone who has passed middle school tbf.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:50 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:44 pm I however found JJJ "strong town reading" Colonial interesting, since it was solely on the grounds of him listing his own reads. Mafia can easily do that as well as to not appear like they are parroting . That is a very interesting link given the colonial-Mac dynamic.
Vague shit.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:35 pm That's complete and utter bullshit JJJ and you know it. You are clearly being super daft at the original quote, which you have been called out for by others.
Read my mind, JaggedJimmyJay.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:35 pmkeep questioning my blatant as hell meaning with the quote
Read my mind, JaggedJimmyJay.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:55 pm > It means others have noticed your blatant bullshitting about not knowing what I meant. Very simple.
Read my mind, JaggedJimmyJay.

I already argued this with you. You are either being purposefully daft to what I meant (especially since I explained it afterwards and you still kept pushing me being vague), or braindead . Pick your poison

People to watch Imo
Mac
Jjj
Rundontwalk
Longcon
Kyle
Nutella

Keep an eye on dunya as well, although she'spinging me the least. Just don't like people giving her the pass because of post count.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:48 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:46 pm Uhm... I did?
And you demanded that I have the superpower of reading your mind.

Nope, just reading plain english is all that I requested of you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:45 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:43 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:39 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:39 pm
There is at least one scum on my wagon. Don't let JJj and his nonsense keep you guys going all game. Lynch him next.
Why do you think JJJ is the scum?
His arguments have been pretty shit tier and he's been tunnelling me since I came at him, almost ibsessively. And now I'm getting lynched on bs. So when I flip town just remember the people that started this. It's likely 1-2 scum on me while the others follow random wagons tk steer clear. People with more status are more likely to push me
At what point in our dialogue do you think a civilian JJJ should have reasonably changed his mind about you?

Well obviously I think I answered your points well enough in our major back and forth. Your question is inherently difficult to answer as i don't know you so can't tell if you're being stubborn in your read, or being nefarious.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:45 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:43 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:39 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:39 pm
There is at least one scum on my wagon. Don't let JJj and his nonsense keep you guys going all game. Lynch him next.
Why do you think JJJ is the scum?
His arguments have been pretty shit tier and he's been tunnelling me since I came at him, almost ibsessively. And now I'm getting lynched on bs. So when I flip town just remember the people that started this. It's likely 1-2 scum on me while the others follow random wagons tk steer clear. People with more status are more likely to push me
If the arguments are BS why not refute them?

Uhm... I did? We had a very long back and forth...the only new thing to come up is this low hanging fruit draft argument which I literally just addressed.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:39 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:39 pm
There is at least one scum on my wagon. Don't let JJj and his nonsense keep you guys going all game. Lynch him next.
Why do you think JJJ is the scum?

His arguments have been pretty shit tier and he's been tunnelling me since I came at him, almost ibsessively. And now I'm getting lynched on bs. So when I flip town just remember the people that started this. It's likely 1-2 scum on me while the others follow random wagons tk steer clear. People with more status are more likely to push me

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:39 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:39 pm
There is at least one scum on my wagon. Don't let JJj and his nonsense keep you guys going all game. Lynch him next.
Why do you think JJJ is the scum?

His arguments have been pretty shit tier and he's been tunnelling me since I came at him, almost ibsessively. And now I'm getting lynched on bs. So when I flip town just remember the people that started this. It's likely 1-2 scum on me while the others follow random wagons tk steer clear. People with more status are more likely to push me

Look at those pushing the nonsense draft stuff too particulalry nutella, looking for oppurtunistic arguments to keep pushing this narrative on me

There is at least one scum on my wagon. Don't let JJj and his nonsense keep you guys going all game. Lynch him next.

Sorry guysbhave been really busy this week with work and valentines day shenanigans. I'm teetering on asking for a replacement so I don't waste the host role if my achedule remains busy.

To answer the question that is continually being asked, I originally wanted to pick marmot because I loved the guy when he played on nF. But i couldn't pick at the time so when i did i just rng'd people and landed on dwarf nd gave him the role i thought he would have best liked.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:32 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:31 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:22 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:16 pm Also can I get meta descriptions for DDL on this forum and nutella by any chance?
They're both pretty variable in their styles, so it's not the easiest descriptions to request (not your fault). Briefly:

I would say a civilian DDL operates in accordance with his own whims and pursuits, and doesn't necessarily concern himself with prevailing dialogues (though he doesn't avoid them either). He is reasonably active and assertive. There has been very little data on a mafia DDL.

A civilian nutella in recent memory has been active and assertive to a point. She plays loose and fires reads into the thread without a lot of concern for the consequences. Mafia nutella has been less willing to take concrete stances.

I would call these metas barely reliable if that.
ok thanks, this is somewhat helpful and good for me to keep in mind. It seems DDL doesn't have any major changes across forums.
Have you ever played with a scum DDL?

I don't recall playing against him off top, but he was scum in a HunterxHunter game I hosted. He died pretty early though/

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:26 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:09 pm
Forget everything else: tell me now, as of this second, how has your "pressure case" on Jay developed your read of him? Are you in any better position to lynch him today?
Slightly more sus based on how emotional he got. It's one thing to curse or use coarse language but telling someone to die and what not indicates being legit tilted. I'm not sure if that's how he always gets though, so either his emotion is belying him being upset that I'm on his case, or that's just how he gets when arguing with someone he sees are wrong and bullshitting. That's where your impression would be much more helpful.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:22 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:16 pm Also can I get meta descriptions for DDL on this forum and nutella by any chance?
They're both pretty variable in their styles, so it's not the easiest descriptions to request (not your fault). Briefly:

I would say a civilian DDL operates in accordance with his own whims and pursuits, and doesn't necessarily concern himself with prevailing dialogues (though he doesn't avoid them either). He is reasonably active and assertive. There has been very little data on a mafia DDL.

A civilian nutella in recent memory has been active and assertive to a point. She plays loose and fires reads into the thread without a lot of concern for the consequences. Mafia nutella has been less willing to take concrete stances.

I would call these metas barely reliable if that.

ok thanks, this is somewhat helpful and good for me to keep in mind. It seems DDL doesn't have any major changes across forums.

Also can I get meta descriptions for DDL on this forum and nutella by any chance?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:41 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:35 pm That's complete and utter bullshit JJJ and you know it. You are clearly being super daft at the original quote, which you have been called out for by others. Saying the interaction between you two is "interesting" is very clear. It was very sus that you would so strongly town read someone THAT EARLY in D1, simply because he gave his own reads that weren't apart of the major town babble. You keep conflating this as if bob had 100 post in Day 1, and 36 hours had passed or something. It was extremely early and on questionable grounds that you gave him such a strong read.

This however does not force the conclusion that both or either of you are scum, which you keep trying to use as a means to sus me for not directly stating such. I am simply making my take on an interaction known. Yes you could be scum buddies, or you could be using him for town cred. I don't know yet, it is something to build upon in later interactions between you two and others in the thread. To quote your system "you lost a point there". Now what you're doing is like someone saying "what do you mean by that JJJ? Why don't you just come out and say I'm scum!".

The fact that you've latched on to me so strongly from this, keep questioning my blatant as hell meaning with the quote, and now are trying to push this narrative that I'm ducking you, is very, very suspect, and I honestly don't believe you are this daft.
What is this and why should I give a shit?
quick point, who has called Jay out for "being super daft at an original quote"?

I mean, I know how he loves to analyze words and sometimes assume you mean something you didn't say to the point of convincing you that maybe you did mean to say what he is saying you said...but still, who called out Jay for being super daft? I want to shake their hands. no but really, I didn't see these people?

now, Dr. White, what would you say if I quote you at least 3 others who have quoted people's reads on other people and have them town cred for that simply because they came out and said something? Because I can. Because it's happened in this thread, several times. Perhaps this is something you aren't accustomed to; maybe you're as stingy with your town reads as Jay is with his 4+ start ratings on magnificent albums. But as a third party neutral, calling cBob strong town on Day 1 doesn't really mean shit in the grand scheme of things. It means he pinged him the right way and viola, a town read was assigned. Similarly, it takes 1 negative ping on Day 1 and a sus read is assigned.

Why are you making such a huge deal out of this? Are you actually convinced Jay is scum now because he called cBob town?

> I actually believe it was you. You said something along the lines of Jay making things overly complicated because I was new. I used the word daft but was referecing them clearly having the impression that Jay was messing with me in regards to my interesting quote, when in fact he was indeed serious.

> I never claimed this was a big deal? IF you actually read my post, and stopped defending Jay for a second you'd realize that I am more concerned with his subsequent reaction to me making that observation more so than the observation itself. which is why I said
"This however does not force the conclusion that both or either of you are scum, which you keep trying to use as a means to sus me for not directly stating such. I am simply making my take on an interaction known. Yes you could be scum buddies, or you could be using him for town cred. I don't know yet, it is something to build upon in later interactions between you two and others in the thread. To quote your system "you lost a point there". Now what you're doing is like someone saying "what do you mean by that JJJ? Why don't you just come out and say I'm scum!". "

> No, once again please read my posts before making a narrative of me. I made a comment about how we could pressure JJJ to see what came of it (since I had slight sus of him), and explained why I sussed him and why he kept bringing me up as a scum read, voted me, and championed others too (with his whole F the grace period for newbies line) and then JJJ responded and we are in this whole shtick now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:41 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:35 pm That's complete and utter bullshit JJJ and you know it. You are clearly being super daft at the original quote, which you have been called out for by others. Saying the interaction between you two is "interesting" is very clear. It was very sus that you would so strongly town read someone THAT EARLY in D1, simply because he gave his own reads that weren't apart of the major town babble. You keep conflating this as if bob had 100 post in Day 1, and 36 hours had passed or something. It was extremely early and on questionable grounds that you gave him such a strong read.

This however does not force the conclusion that both or either of you are scum, which you keep trying to use as a means to sus me for not directly stating such. I am simply making my take on an interaction known. Yes you could be scum buddies, or you could be using him for town cred. I don't know yet, it is something to build upon in later interactions between you two and others in the thread. To quote your system "you lost a point there". Now what you're doing is like someone saying "what do you mean by that JJJ? Why don't you just come out and say I'm scum!".

The fact that you've latched on to me so strongly from this, keep questioning my blatant as hell meaning with the quote, and now are trying to push this narrative that I'm ducking you, is very, very suspect, and I honestly don't believe you are this daft.
What is this and why should I give a shit?

No it fucking isn't.

Horseshit. colonialbob made posts and I made a read. You know what you did in response? Made a read. You made a read that you are presently calling "very sus". That's strong language. How can you have such a strong read so early?

I "keep trying to use it as a means" so hard that I said it one time. Fake.

We could be scumbuddies. I could be buddying a civilian for credit. I can't be town myself. Garbage.

There is nothing blatant about the meaning of "interesting" in a "read" being made in a Mafia game.

You're freaking the fuck out and spewing trash. Die.

> It means others have noticed your blatant bullshitting about not knowing what I meant. Very simple.

> Uhm, yes it is.

> Yes because you keep bringing it up every time we converse. Hence my words.

> False equivalnce. You made a strong read off of ONE action. You did not state you read bob that way because of his body of post but rather solely because of his reads which weren't apart of the major town conversation. I called your ACTION very sus, not you as a player which would have lead to a mafia lean. I am now leaning mafia towards you due to your insistence on me combined with bad arguments, and your reactions in this conversation. So miss me with your bullshit.

> I never said you couldn't be town. I was clearly replying from the standpoint of your sus action being due to you being nefarious. It's called context.

> So how else would you take that JJJ? You think I found it academically interesting and wanted to write a thesis on internet forum replies? You said yourself that you thought I was trying to say you and bob were scum buddies hence "putting me and bob together is too simple" and telling me to come out and say I think you are scum. I even explained this to you afterwards, and it was until our most recent exchange that you "finally got" your answer. Which is nonsense given well, I know you know how to read.

Lmao, I'm the one freaking out

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:28 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:45 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:40 pm Overall I'd be most comfortable with a Mac, LC, or Running lynch. If we wanna go big fish hunting then it's JJJ. JJJ responded quite weird to me when I mentioned him backing colonial up so strong that early as interesting. He's kept quite a strong tone towards me since than, and hasn't really explained why he's made two post since then (a vote in the subsequent one) sussing me. I'd like to know why I am one of his biggest suspects and he feels so strongly about my lynch.
To put it most succinctly:

You keep dancing around "JJJ and colonialbob are mafia teammates" without just saying it. It smells like a desire to manipulate a negative climate without committing to an actual read. To stick me alongside bob is too easy and I am not convinced you really believe that.
This is a real shallow and forced conclusion. I am noting something that is sus. I am not "dancing around saying you two are scum mates" because that isn't the only conclusion one can come to. Yes, you could be scum mates, or you can be going for town cred by latching on to a townie and giving him good marks. So yes it is contributing to my sus of you, but in no way entails I have to 100% subscribe to both of you being scummates.
You've made the problem crystal clear then.

You suggested earlier that "I had my answer" what you were implying about colonialbob and I:

Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:12 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:09 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:06 pm Did I peg you right already so you go for the linguistic call out? So sad.
No that can't be it, because you didn't "peg" me as anything. You called my behavior "interesting". Is that a read? What does that mean?
Interesting, meaning worthy of note. Adding that to the context of you strongly town reading someone off of one action this early in the game and I believe you got your answer J dog.
Apparently I didn't have my answer, because I had no clarification on what you were actually saying until right now. I have had to force numerous posts out of you to get this assertion about the interaction which you called interesting, and it should not be that hard to derive a clear perspective.

And it's all based on an assertion which is total bullshit: Having a strong town read on Day 1 is suspicious.

That's complete and utter bullshit JJJ and you know it. You are clearly being super daft at the original quote, which you have been called out for by others. Saying the interaction between you two is "interesting" is very clear. It was very sus that you would so strongly town read someone THAT EARLY in D1, simply because he gave his own reads that weren't apart of the major town babble. You keep conflating this as if bob had 100 post in Day 1, and 36 hours had passed or something. It was extremely early and on questionable grounds that you gave him such a strong read.

This however does not force the conclusion that both or either of you are scum, which you keep trying to use as a means to sus me for not directly stating such. I am simply making my take on an interaction known. Yes you could be scum buddies, or you could be using him for town cred. I don't know yet, it is something to build upon in later interactions between you two and others in the thread. To quote your system "you lost a point there". Now what you're doing is like someone saying "what do you mean by that JJJ? Why don't you just come out and say I'm scum!".

The fact that you've latched on to me so strongly from this, keep questioning my blatant as hell meaning with the quote, and now are trying to push this narrative that I'm ducking you, is very, very suspect, and I honestly don't believe you are this daft.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:45 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:40 pm Overall I'd be most comfortable with a Mac, LC, or Running lynch. If we wanna go big fish hunting then it's JJJ. JJJ responded quite weird to me when I mentioned him backing colonial up so strong that early as interesting. He's kept quite a strong tone towards me since than, and hasn't really explained why he's made two post since then (a vote in the subsequent one) sussing me. I'd like to know why I am one of his biggest suspects and he feels so strongly about my lynch.
To put it most succinctly:

You keep dancing around "JJJ and colonialbob are mafia teammates" without just saying it. It smells like a desire to manipulate a negative climate without committing to an actual read. To stick me alongside bob is too easy and I am not convinced you really believe that.

This is a real shallow and forced conclusion. I am noting something that is sus. I am not "dancing around saying you two are scum mates" because that isn't the only conclusion one can come to. Yes, you could be scum mates, or you can be going for town cred by latching on to a townie and giving him good marks. So yes it is contributing to my sus of you, but in no way entails I have to 100% subscribe to both of you being scummates.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:42 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:40 pm @nutella
LC is playing really suspect especially his earlier post, and now he is falling back on more excuses like him being really bad. Kites was doing something similar in that he'd pop in, talk about how much he doesn't understand stuff, and that he'd contribute later. I always find that play sus. I may have come on a bit strong in the moment, and while I do still there is good odds about them, not as certain.

I think Kyle, Runningdude, and maybe Tony are new watch targets. Kyle dude has been playing very apprehensively, and when he tries to contribute to conversation it seems a bit forced or reactive. Runningdude seems aggressive but in a scum manner of trying to pin stuff on people, and Tony is a tone/intuition read from his post.

Overall I'd be most comfortable with a Mac, LC, or Running lynch. If we wanna go big fish hunting then it's JJJ. JJJ responded quite weird to me when I mentioned him backing colonial up so strong that early as interesting. He's kept quite a strong tone towards me since than, and hasn't really explained why he's made two post since then (a vote in the subsequent one) sussing me. I'd like to know why I am one of his biggest suspects and he feels so strongly about my lynch.
Um, I'm a big fish too

cool beans

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:06 pm I don't do elaborate iso analyses like some other people, I just skim it and write out general impressions, maybe with one or two quotes, so it doesn't take very long
I didn't feel that way reading your Dr. White iso today. It felt pretty comprehensive, though non-conclusive. Even after ISOing him, you refused to give a firm read on him, calling him decent overall, but leaving plenty of room to be swayed one way or the other, then asked Jimmy on what bad he saw in him. Opportunism.

Epi cases ColinIsCool, in great depth, amidst your downfall with RYMers and you take it as a lifeline to see what Epi has cooked up.

MacDougall mentions a possible RDW scumslip - you really jumped for that one. MacDougall claims it was a gag, and you back off.

WIFOM - I didn't go after Colin, because Colin is definitely town. TMI.

Voting for MacDougall when he was an easy lynch target being on holiday and all, then quickly following Long Con on the Shaman whom you drafted (which is still a question mark for me) makes two bad vote lynch decisions that look really opportunistic for you.

reeks of opportunism on all fronts this phase.

I saw some of this too.

[mention]nutella[/mention]
LC is playing really suspect especially his earlier post, and now he is falling back on more excuses like him being really bad. Kites was doing something similar in that he'd pop in, talk about how much he doesn't understand stuff, and that he'd contribute later. I always find that play sus. I may have come on a bit strong in the moment, and while I do still there is good odds about them, not as certain.

I think Kyle, Runningdude, and maybe Tony are new watch targets. Kyle dude has been playing very apprehensively, and when he tries to contribute to conversation it seems a bit forced or reactive. Runningdude seems aggressive but in a scum manner of trying to pin stuff on people, and Tony is a tone/intuition read from his post.

Overall I'd be most comfortable with a Mac, LC, or Running lynch. If we wanna go big fish hunting then it's JJJ. JJJ responded quite weird to me when I mentioned him backing colonial up so strong that early as interesting. He's kept quite a strong tone towards me since than, and hasn't really explained why he's made two post since then (a vote in the subsequent one) sussing me. I'd like to know why I am one of his biggest suspects and he feels so strongly about my lynch.

Kenway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:35 pm So far, my impressions are you lot post... a lot. It's a bit hard to follow, especially since I'm playing this game on mobile. Anyway, I have a bit of bias towards Rymers so it might show up in my votes and reads.

I have no clear reads at this point, I'll wait until more bodies pop up down the river.

This post makes my spine tingle.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:30 pm I thought the pressure on Mac today was a bit much.

why do you believe this?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:16 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:13 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:03 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:59 pm I like Dr White so far. Throwing out firm reads with thought process behind them.
Dr. White, your read on this immediately please.
Either wanted to give his two cents on me since no has read me, or trying to soft buddy me. I think the most possibly alarming thing would be that it came out of nowhere and he hasn't posted in a while before that read.

How do you feel? This is the same type of posting that made you strong town read him correct?
I make note of it because his reason for giving you civilian credit is pretty similar to my reason for giving him civilian credit. Do you believe you have earned that credit to this point?

I think the post is fine personally and fits the paradigm of colonialbob's content to this point which I have generally liked.

I do feel my arguments and insights have been well reasoned and that is seemingly what he likes most about me and my reads, so yeah.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:03 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:59 pm I like Dr White so far. Throwing out firm reads with thought process behind them.
@Dr. White, your read on this immediately please.

Either wanted to give his two cents on me since no has read me, or trying to soft buddy me. I think the most possibly alarming thing would be that it came out of nowhere and he hasn't posted in a while before that read.

How do you feel? This is the same type of posting that made you strong town read him correct?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:58 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:56 pm Best way to deal with Epi imo is have him scanned for that info in backpocket. I have 3 theories that I would use to explain his gameplay so far, but I'll keep quiet on that for now.
Names.

Whom would you recruit. Go.

I'd randomize, since I only know 3 people here. Although I'd actually prob take Metalmarsh cause I love that critter.

Best way to deal with Epi imo is have him scanned for that info in backpocket. I have 3 theories that I would use to explain his gameplay so far, but I'll keep quiet on that for now.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:18 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:15 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:13 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:08 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:05 pm OH man I am so fucked

Thanks jack I appreciate it
I....don't understand.
Jack gave me a double edged sword passive regarding lynches

I can’t quote word for word but it essentially means I’m easy to lynch AND I’m a target for mafia because I’m a Doctor role

I’m. So. Dead.
This post along with your general attitude of posting "good" when I said I want to lynch you (tongue in cheek mostly, for your--I assumed--tongue in cheek posts) make me scratch my head. It's like you're itching to be lynched? Idgi. Why else would you share this info with us?
well the prior information doesn’t correspond to the new present since I didn’t have my background to my role yet.

So your connections don’t match up, in regards to sharing: I don’t want to have some kinda silly vote on me and end up Lynched when someone else clearly had more votes and cause some kind of schism in the rational of the game.

Unless of course there’s the case of role reveals upon death which off the top of my head I can’t remember is a thing

It was these exchanges [mention]dunya[/mention] . Him weirdly giving info while talking aloud to the host, followed by being so worried about getting lynched when only one vote was placed.

He and Longcon are giving my vibes of trying to veil themselves, Spirit with this shtick and LC with his "ignorance of everything". Feel similar with kites and his continued presence in the game being only to pop in and let us know he doesn't get things, and will try to do better later. I firmly believe a scum would be between these 3, but I do believe of all of them that spirit may just be a town power role for whatever reason decided to info blab.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:15 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:57 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:44 pm I too do not like how Mac tried to make a quicklist of reads based on pretty much intuition alone. Even if on vacation, why posit that as contribution?
So in a game in which one is to determine who received a mafia role one should utilise no intuition whatsoever? Interesting. I have been playing the game wrong for 7 years.
This is a bad reply. I clearly know how to play mafia, and you clearly are twisting what I said. You couldn't have possibly had gotten any solid info on that many people enough to make that many reads at the time you posted that in the thread. Gattling a ton of random reads doesn't really give us much except possible connections back to you for later game. If you were vacationing why choose this as your one contribution to the thread? Once again, seems to be you attempting to set up a presence in the thread with those "reads".
The Syndicate has something weird here called Gun To Head reads (which I think are easy to fake, so I think the exercise is a waste of time when performed in a group usually). Are you familiar with those? Because MacDougall's defense was that those fast civ/sus reads were GTH reads which is basically a game where you make a fast, uninformed decision on how you feel about players by placing them in one of two categories: town or scum--without analyzing or backing up with reasons.

Never have. Sounds futile as the only benefit would be cross referencing those reads later when more alignment info is present. Seems much more of a scum ploy as I've previously explained, especially with the amount given.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:09 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:06 pm Did I peg you right already so you go for the linguistic call out? So sad.
No that can't be it, because you didn't "peg" me as anything. You called my behavior "interesting". Is that a read? What does that mean?

Interesting, meaning worthy of note. Adding that to the context of you strongly town reading someone off of one action this early in the game and I believe you got your answer J dog.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:57 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:44 pm I too do not like how Mac tried to make a quicklist of reads based on pretty much intuition alone. Even if on vacation, why posit that as contribution?
So in a game in which one is to determine who received a mafia role one should utilise no intuition whatsoever? Interesting. I have been playing the game wrong for 7 years.

This is a bad reply. I clearly know how to play mafia, and you clearly are twisting what I said. You couldn't have possibly had gotten any solid info on that many people enough to make that many reads at the time you posted that in the thread. Gattling a ton of random reads doesn't really give us much except possible connections back to you for later game. If you were vacationing why choose this as your one contribution to the thread? Once again, seems to be you attempting to set up a presence in the thread with those "reads".

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:55 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:52 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:47 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:46 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:00 am DDL no, there's nothing to suspect about my posts, it's all just real. I refrained from admitting that I didn't know whether I was Civ or bad, because that's just to La Dee Da, but I could have said it honestly in my earlier post. I am not bad.
This is also bad, and Spy also gave me similar vibes.
who is Spy? do you mean sprityo?
yeah, forgot his name and didn't wanna haul back through those pages.

Is there a way for me to be notified when I am quoted? It's not showing up for me.
@Dr. White see if you're notified now.

Would it be possible to quote me something specific sprityo said that pinged you? He said a lot of wacky shit, but what in particular made you feel iffy?

I wasn't . I will get that for you after I grab something to eat

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:53 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:44 pm I too do not like how Mac tried to make a quicklist of reads based on pretty much intuition alone. Even if on vacation, why posit that as contribution? Seems like he was trying to feign activity. The split between him and colonial is very interesting.

I however found JJJ "strong town reading" Colonial interesting, since it was solely on the grounds of him listing his own reads. Mafia can easily do that as well as to not appear like they are parroting . That is a very interesting link given the colonial-Mac dynamic.

Nutella jumped on Mac pretty early. Not sure if it was a pressure vote, but it really put me off towards them.

Not sure how DDL plays here. He seems more passive and backing down a bit, I will keep a watch on him for sure. Anyone who wants to give me his meta summary feel free.

Other person of note was dunya. Pretty much just need more time to see if she's genuinely town leading, or "the string pulling" mafioso that was mentioned earlier.

Did I peg you right already so you go for the linguistic call out? So sad.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:47 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:46 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:00 am DDL no, there's nothing to suspect about my posts, it's all just real. I refrained from admitting that I didn't know whether I was Civ or bad, because that's just to La Dee Da, but I could have said it honestly in my earlier post. I am not bad.
This is also bad, and Spy also gave me similar vibes.
who is Spy? do you mean sprityo?

yeah, forgot his name and didn't wanna haul back through those pages.

Is there a way for me to be notified when I am quoted? It's not showing up for me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:00 am DDL no, there's nothing to suspect about my posts, it's all just real. I refrained from admitting that I didn't know whether I was Civ or bad, because that's just to La Dee Da, but I could have said it honestly in my earlier post. I am not bad.

This is also bad, and Spy also gave me similar vibes.

I too do not like how Mac tried to make a quicklist of reads based on pretty much intuition alone. Even if on vacation, why posit that as contribution? Seems like he was trying to feign activity. The split between him and colonial is very interesting.

I however found JJJ "strong town reading" Colonial interesting, since it was solely on the grounds of him listing his own reads. Mafia can easily do that as well as to not appear like they are parroting . That is a very interesting link given the colonial-Mac dynamic.

Nutella jumped on Mac pretty early. Not sure if it was a pressure vote, but it really put me off towards them.

Not sure how DDL plays here. He seems more passive and backing down a bit, I will keep a watch on him for sure. Anyone who wants to give me his meta summary feel free.

Other person of note was dunya. Pretty much just need more time to see if she's genuinely town leading, or "the string pulling" mafioso that was mentioned earlier.

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