The Syndicate

Good game guys, sorry I didn't do more to help us win. I'm surprised I got scum right in my GTH. I should have stuck with it. :P

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:18 pm

Endgame

With the ice cream cartons culled, the Frozen Fiends were able to make their final strike ...

Spoiler: show

MafiaMenace was overpowered by the Frozen Fiends. He was Mint Chocolate Chip, a vanilla civilian.

Spoiler: show

Lunalee was overpowered by the Frozen Fiends. She was Elf Trash, a vanilla civilian.

Spoiler: show

novaselinenever was overpowered by the Frozen Fiends. He was Rocky Road, a vanilla civilian.

Congratulations to Epignosis (Bag of Frozen Vegetables), nutella (The Last Orange Popsicle), and sprityo, the mafia, for their victory.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:04 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:08 pm luna:

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:54 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:52 pm [VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

...you got a reason to go with this?

towny post considering gman was town
i read the tone of this post as not knowing gmans alignment either, but still curious as to the reasons for the vote

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:17 pm I looked over the sprityo interactions. I don't feel like posting everything, but here's a road map:

Good looks: Sloonei, nutella, novaselinenever

Meh: Epignosis, MafiaMenace, reywaS, Spacedaisy

Icky: G-Man

^This is something to note. But Jay could have been killed for being wrong, so we would pursue the wrong people.

feels like an attempt on framing gman, follows this post up with a vote on him
experienced mafia players would know not to do that, it would lead nowhere

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:25 am [VOTE: Nova] aubergine

Actually the way he and Menace are quick to vote G-man for his mis-vote yesterday makes them both look like opportunistic scum.

gives the feeling of town being out of the loop, since a few posts after this luna found slooneis spirit/gman interactions wall
counterwagonning me/nova for voting gman does nothing to help luna if she was mafia, especially since gman is town

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:50 pm @MafiaMenace What made you switch your vote from G-man to Sloonei? I don't see where you said anything about it.

even though i was a scumread luna bothered to ask me about my reads rather than sentencing me to death (sloonei too, my read on sloonei has changed as well but ill get into that later)

other points that i cant use a quote as evidence for:
- towny interactions, no indications of being mafia with anyone (if mafia)
- i like their tone in the majority of their posts, it gives across a sense of innocence
- theyre asking the right questions, wanting to acquire information that town needs to know to win

this ends with a townread

luna im curious on your entire readslist
can you share it?

Sloonei
MafiaMenace
reywaS
Nova
Nutella
Epignosis

Spoiler: show

Here's what I'm thinking right now.
Sloonei has looked town from the beginning. He's been doing all the heaving lifting for town with his sprityo interactions posts, and I don't see scum doing that really.
MafiaMenace is looking more town to me because of his efforts in the thread. He seems genuinely concerned about lylo, and nailing down the last scum.
I still don't have a good feeling on reywaS, since it's hard for me to get a good read on them, but Sloonei seems to think they are town despite the posting gimmick, and I'm inclined to trust him on that.
I'm torn on Nova. I've been gut reading them as scum, but then it seems like they are making an actual effort to help town. I really don't know where to put him.
Nutella has been agreeing with my opinions and hasn't suspected me. Town nutella usually tries to get me lynched.
Epi has swung from town to scum in my opinion because of the day 3 lynch. He refused to jump on the G-man wagon, (perhaps because he knew G-man was town and didn't want to be on it) but he then voted MM to just be off G-man. He didn't try to push anyone else. I would expect town Epi to have more of a fit close to EOD if he doesn't agree with the lynch options.

ugh, [mention]MafiaMenace[/mention] I'm switching back to reywaS. I'm having doubts on Epi, and rey came in to blow up the thread for a minute to look active, but didn't even come to a conclusion on anyone or leave a vote. He just said "no u" to your vote on him, and made some joke posts.

Does anyone else think it looks suspicious that reywas has posted in thread today, but has not voted yet? If he's scum, he could wait until the end to vote to try to get town lynched. I don't like it.

Also, Epi if you're town, help us figure out who to lynch. Just assume for a second that you're wrong and I'm town.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:07 pm Why is Lunalee preferring my head for "more information" when...if she is wrong (and she is), the game is over?

There is no information to be had. The game is over.

Luna, you just told on yourself.

wait, we have to lynch scum today?

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:54 pm @Lunalee
what made you change your mind? you said you were willing to lynch rey over epi

I thought more about it. (see earlier post about Epi's reads) Also lynching Epi today will give us more info than just waiting to lynch him tomorrow after rey (or whoever else).

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:41 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:39 pm @MafiaMenace I see your vote is currently on reywaS, but you suspect both reywaS and Epi. I think an Epi flip (either town or scum) will provide us more info to work with than a reywaS flip.

i would vote either but people say theyd vote reywas so i change it to him
then they never vote the fucking guy
its stupid

There's time. Poll doesn't end until 8

[mention]MafiaMenace[/mention] I see your vote is currently on reywaS, but you suspect both reywaS and Epi. I think an Epi flip (either town or scum) will provide us more info to work with than a reywaS flip.

1. If Sprityo were teamed with Epi and rey, would Epi list them both as "would lynch"?
2. Epi does not give a reason for wanting to lynch reywaS. Could be a scum play. Throw shade for no real reason so it doesn't stick.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:17 pm Dear G-Man:

G-Man- I do not suspect this person. If I had to name one person as a civilian, it's G-Man, because his thought process jives mostly with mine and he's doing the most work (although the bar hasn't been set real high). Would not lynch.

JJJ- I maintain a healthy suspicion of JJJ, as most of the time lynching him requires an act of God. I read his commentary on WaywardSon. It makes sense to me, but I had differing assumptions when I read WaywardSon's posts. I'll get to those at the end since Wayward starts with a W. For right now, I don't have any pressing reason to lynch JJJ unless I am right about Sloonei. Would not lynch.

MafiaMenace- I do not suspect this person. I give passes to new people Day 1 (and rey, who has returned from the dead, resurrected as an "artist" of questionable skill). MafiaMenace has earned an extension of that pass, because I like his stuff. He started out slow, but I can see a progression of thinking that feels natural and indicates sincerity. Would not lynch.

nutella- nutella gives me fits. I never get her right, so take whatever I have to say about her with a grain of salt (or the whole Morton company). I don't agree with G-Man that nutella fell into some trap of over-eagerness. nutella may be a Gullible-Ass Basic BitchTM, but I'm not buying that. Would not lynch.

reywaS- He is God's vessel. His greatest pain in life is that he will never be able to see himself perform live. Would lynch.

Sloonei- I suspect this person the most. Here is why if you missed it. Would lynch.

Spacedaisy- I've got nothing. Would lynch.

sprityo- The guy has 18 posts, and I do not see where this happened. Would lynch.

Spoiler: show

WaywardSon- As I said, the way JJJ framed WaywardSon's posts makes sense, but I had differing assumptions when I read them. For example:

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:16 pm So the thread isn't locked at night?

I would have thought, were WaywardSon annoyed by Night posting (because he was bad), he would have voiced his question to Colin privately, and not broadcasted it in the thread. I get that doesn't preclude his being mafia, but that was my own view. However, I have not forgotten this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:58 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:05 pm im here for like 30 min
catching up

3:05pm EST

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:12 pm im putting catching up on hold
half an hour isnt enough time

3:12pm EST

That's seven minutes.

He tried to make it look like he had invested a half an hour in the thread, but had devoted a whopping seven minutes. Maybe where he's from, they don't have timestamps. Would lynch.

Also, I won't be around at EOD, so where ever my vote is by 5 pm, that's where it's staying. I am not planning to vote "no lynch" since I'm the only one who thought it was a good idea. Hopefully we can hit scum today.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:07 am sorry epi but honestly this small thing has made me even more certain about you
@Lunalee
@novaselinenever
@nutella

please give your stances on epi and reywas and if youre willing to lynch one or both of them

Both, really. I will be surprised if neither of them are scum.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:58 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:57 am

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:55 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:53 am

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:51 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:49 am

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:45 am https://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/v ... 17&t=92999
most recent scum game
i died pretty early but w/e

I appreciate it, but I'll be honest: I'm not reading that.

Your word is enough for me. I'm merely trying to get insight as to how you would judge others' moves.

You are overvaluing nova's move against sprityo because you (like me) don't like to use the tactic of lynching your teammates as leverage. Would that be a fair statement?

yes
anyone who purposely puts their teammate up on the spotlight to make themselves townier is borderline gamethrowing

When I say "overvalue," I mean that you are putting too much confidence in that outcome.

Suppose nova got lynched today and was bad. How would that affect your opinions?

you also dont see how massive of a point that is

i know its a hypothetical but nova isnt flipping scum here
theres no world where this hypothetical is true

I really hope you stick around here. I say that with all sincerity.

?
thanks but whered that come from

lol, Epi's scum and he's killing you tonight.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:46 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:14 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:13 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:00 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:54 pm so you're more sure that rey is mafia either way, but you're saying it's safer to take the risk on either epi or luna today so we can be safer tomorrow?

yes
from my pov atleast

you guys might not be as sure

so from my pov
hang someone im not sure about, but think they are scum (epi)
then get the one im certain about tomorrow (rey)

I think I'm most okay with lynching rey right now. I'm more hesitant about epi again, and my first choice is to vote no lynch so the mafia can narrow the pool for us to choose from tomorrow.

the mafia arent gonna narrow it down at all
what if they kill
say nova or smth
who nobody is willing to vote rn i believe
that narrows down nothing

if youre fine with voting rey then sure
i just want a scum hang today

Why would nobody be willing to vote for nova?

I just looked through sprityo's posts, and only found this:

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:07 am

WaywardSon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:41 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:34 pm Seriously though WaywardSon is a glowing red beacon of mafia. The posts are ugly. Y’all can read them and figure it out.

lol Are you considered good at this game? Just wondering.

this is the funniest thing i have read all day

That's the only exchange the two had.

I'm also open for voting Nova.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:00 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:54 pm so you're more sure that rey is mafia either way, but you're saying it's safer to take the risk on either epi or luna today so we can be safer tomorrow?

yes
from my pov atleast

you guys might not be as sure

so from my pov
hang someone im not sure about, but think they are scum (epi)
then get the one im certain about tomorrow (rey)

I think I'm most okay with lynching rey right now. I'm more hesitant about epi again, and my first choice is to vote no lynch so the mafia can narrow the pool for us to choose from tomorrow.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:42 am I like you though- a lot of people would tell you to "dial it back" and "consider all angles" and blah blah blah.

You are sticking to your guns, and that's going to serve you well.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:43 am You're voting me right now, so maybe that's not the best timing for that particular piece of advice.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:35 am I'm voting Lunalee. Called me good. Called me bad because I called G-Man good and refused to vote for him (leaves out the part where I called sprityo a would-lynch candidate and woulda coulda dida lynch him?).

I trust and doubt everyone at different times when I'm town because I don't know who is good. If you decide to push for my lynch then we will lose this.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:22 pm after a nolynch mafia will probably go for a vastly townread players
we have this game pretty locked down

so we still shouldnt nolynch

no-lynch is the safer option though. I'm not confident about who to lynch.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:08 pm luna:

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:54 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:52 pm [VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

...you got a reason to go with this?

towny post considering gman was town
i read the tone of this post as not knowing gmans alignment either, but still curious as to the reasons for the vote

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:17 pm I looked over the sprityo interactions. I don't feel like posting everything, but here's a road map:

Good looks: Sloonei, nutella, novaselinenever

Meh: Epignosis, MafiaMenace, reywaS, Spacedaisy

Icky: G-Man

^This is something to note. But Jay could have been killed for being wrong, so we would pursue the wrong people.

feels like an attempt on framing gman, follows this post up with a vote on him
experienced mafia players would know not to do that, it would lead nowhere

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:25 am [VOTE: Nova] aubergine

Actually the way he and Menace are quick to vote G-man for his mis-vote yesterday makes them both look like opportunistic scum.

gives the feeling of town being out of the loop, since a few posts after this luna found slooneis spirit/gman interactions wall
counterwagonning me/nova for voting gman does nothing to help luna if she was mafia, especially since gman is town

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:50 pm @MafiaMenace What made you switch your vote from G-man to Sloonei? I don't see where you said anything about it.

even though i was a scumread luna bothered to ask me about my reads rather than sentencing me to death (sloonei too, my read on sloonei has changed as well but ill get into that later)

other points that i cant use a quote as evidence for:
- towny interactions, no indications of being mafia with anyone (if mafia)
- i like their tone in the majority of their posts, it gives across a sense of innocence
- theyre asking the right questions, wanting to acquire information that town needs to know to win

this ends with a townread

luna im curious on your entire readslist
can you share it?

Sloonei
MafiaMenace
reywaS
Nova
Nutella
Epignosis


Here's what I'm thinking right now.
Sloonei has looked town from the beginning. He's been doing all the heaving lifting for town with his sprityo interactions posts, and I don't see scum doing that really.
MafiaMenace is looking more town to me because of his efforts in the thread. He seems genuinely concerned about lylo, and nailing down the last scum.
I still don't have a good feeling on reywaS, since it's hard for me to get a good read on them, but Sloonei seems to think they are town despite the posting gimmick, and I'm inclined to trust him on that.
I'm torn on Nova. I've been gut reading them as scum, but then it seems like they are making an actual effort to help town. I really don't know where to put him.
Nutella has been agreeing with my opinions and hasn't suspected me. Town nutella usually tries to get me lynched.
Epi has swung from town to scum in my opinion because of the day 3 lynch. He refused to jump on the G-man wagon, (perhaps because he knew G-man was town and didn't want to be on it) but he then voted MM to just be off G-man. He didn't try to push anyone else. I would expect town Epi to have more of a fit close to EOD if he doesn't agree with the lynch options.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:58 am

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:55 am

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:15 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:56 pm That bit of reading didn't do much for me, so I want to propose something else:

Assuming three mafia and G-Man is bad, who is his teammate and why?

reywas, because they are in G-man's "positive feelings" list despite not doing much

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:56 pm Assuming three mafia and MafiaMenace is bad, who is his teammate and why?

Nova, because they were both first to vote G-man today

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:56 pm Assuming three mafia and Sloonei is bad, who is his teammate and why?

nutella, because Sloonei gave nutella a very strong town read

this is the stupidest shit ive seen
holy fuck

im going to actually defend everyone here in the post rather than myself cus its all dumb asf

gmans town obv but im still going to rip this apart
"not doing much" doesnt mean someone is instantaneously scumread
g-man provided a perfectly sound reason for townreading reywas

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G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:51 pm Look, I get why some may be skeptical of reywaS. What he’s doing is weird and cumbersome to understand at times, which makes it borderline unhelpful in a game this small.

The thing is, though, that I lived this. One of my first games here I posted only in pictures. Granted, I had a reason for it, but I did it as a civvie. There’s no reason to do this kind of thing as a baddie, because, once you do, you can never expect to receive the benefit of the doubt ever again.

While inferring meaning from his posts is difficult, I can find it in some. He disliked Jay’s vote for Eloh and threw shade at Nutella for doing the same.

He’s not a strong civvie read, but as long as he can inject meaningful commentary on the game through his gimmick, he’s not an outright liability. I realize that “I did this sort of thing once and he seems to agree with me on a few player reads” sounds like weaksauce justification for even a low-degree civvie read, but that’s my reality.

now for me and nova

for the last 2 mafia to coordinate their votes to place it on town early in the day is absolutely fucking retarded
just because me and nova were the first votes on gman doesnt mean we are both scumbuddies here

now for sloonei and nutella

sloonei has every right to townread nutella
after the flip of spirit, if you dont townread them at this point then wtf r u doing

also if a mafia member has a top townread
that doesnt immediately make the top townread mafia
thats stupid

You do realize this was a quick read exercise. You spent more time critiquing my post than I spent making it.

yes

also sorry for getting heated, i realise this community is full of a lot more peaceful players than most sites do
especially my home site

Thanks

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:15 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:56 pm That bit of reading didn't do much for me, so I want to propose something else:

Assuming three mafia and G-Man is bad, who is his teammate and why?

reywas, because they are in G-man's "positive feelings" list despite not doing much

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:56 pm Assuming three mafia and MafiaMenace is bad, who is his teammate and why?

Nova, because they were both first to vote G-man today

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:56 pm Assuming three mafia and Sloonei is bad, who is his teammate and why?

nutella, because Sloonei gave nutella a very strong town read

this is the stupidest shit ive seen
holy fuck

im going to actually defend everyone here in the post rather than myself cus its all dumb asf

gmans town obv but im still going to rip this apart
"not doing much" doesnt mean someone is instantaneously scumread
g-man provided a perfectly sound reason for townreading reywas

Spoiler: show

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:51 pm Look, I get why some may be skeptical of reywaS. What he’s doing is weird and cumbersome to understand at times, which makes it borderline unhelpful in a game this small.

The thing is, though, that I lived this. One of my first games here I posted only in pictures. Granted, I had a reason for it, but I did it as a civvie. There’s no reason to do this kind of thing as a baddie, because, once you do, you can never expect to receive the benefit of the doubt ever again.

While inferring meaning from his posts is difficult, I can find it in some. He disliked Jay’s vote for Eloh and threw shade at Nutella for doing the same.

He’s not a strong civvie read, but as long as he can inject meaningful commentary on the game through his gimmick, he’s not an outright liability. I realize that “I did this sort of thing once and he seems to agree with me on a few player reads” sounds like weaksauce justification for even a low-degree civvie read, but that’s my reality.

now for me and nova

for the last 2 mafia to coordinate their votes to place it on town early in the day is absolutely fucking retarded
just because me and nova were the first votes on gman doesnt mean we are both scumbuddies here

now for sloonei and nutella

sloonei has every right to townread nutella
after the flip of spirit, if you dont townread them at this point then wtf r u doing

also if a mafia member has a top townread
that doesnt immediately make the top townread mafia
thats stupid

You do realize this was a quick read exercise. You spent more time critiquing my post than I spent making it.

Well crap

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:54 pm Why is Reyas on G-man?

well, you see, he has to throw his teammate under the bus

linki: nvm?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:53 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:52 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:43 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:32 pm I disagree with the G-Man lynch more though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:32 pm Voting MafiaMenace for now.

Epi has tmi on gman, calling it now. if menace flips bad we are lynching epi next.

what? That doesn't make much sense to me. If Epi were teamed with menace, why not just let G-man get lynched?

He is letting G-man get lynched. He is making it look like he is giving G a chance to come back but in reality he is not expecting him to because there are like ten minutes left and he figures it is safer just to throw a vote on his teammate.

Eh, not sure I agree, but I get what you mean.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:43 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:32 pm I disagree with the G-Man lynch more though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:32 pm Voting MafiaMenace for now.

Epi has tmi on gman, calling it now. if menace flips bad we are lynching epi next.

what? That doesn't make much sense to me. If Epi were teamed with menace, why not just let G-man get lynched?

Idk, I'm feeling worse about G-man. Like there isn't town motivation to self-vote. Ever. It's more of a "lynch me, I dare you" thing that scum do

What about reywaS?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:32 pm Voting MafiaMenace for now.

just because you don't want to lynch G-man? Because it doesn't sound like you're all in on a MafiaMenace lynch either.

Civ or scum, G-man looks to have given up. It sort of feels like a let-down to lynch someone who is voting for themselves and not even around posting.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:23 pm Luna, I didn't suspect MafiaMenace, but I don't disagree with Sloonei's posts about him either. It's a bump down for MafiaMenace, but I had a good opinion of him earlier on, and now it looks like he's getting steamrolled.

you had a good opinion of him on day one when he didn't vote too?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:14 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:56 pm That bit of reading didn't do much for me, so I want to propose something else:

Assuming three mafia and G-Man is bad, who is his teammate and why?

Assuming three mafia and MafiaMenace is bad, who is his teammate and why?

Assuming three mafia and Sloonei is bad, who is his teammate and why?

Luna. Some soft and indirect defense of G-man in her push against me. Twisting my suspicions and painting some points as optimistic. Quick to jump on MM as well. There was that Sprityo's post as well about a baddie amongst non-voter that G-Man hijacked and they had a weird interaction. Seemed really team-matey.

Sloonei maybe

Me, lol. j/k. I'm blanking on this one for now. Gotta have to re-read some stuff

Hmm Luna as well I think. I got pinged by his comments about Space Daisy. Felt like he knew something we didn't, and how he implied that we won't be able to solve the game without dealing with her. His dealings with Luna are also noteworthy, especially how he keeps mentioning her entrance and how he's neutral on it. Feels unnatural

No, you're doing it wrong. You can't have the same person for two.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:15 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:56 pm That bit of reading didn't do much for me, so I want to propose something else:

Assuming three mafia and G-Man is bad, who is his teammate and why?

reywas, because they are in G-man's "positive feelings" list despite not doing much

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:56 pm Assuming three mafia and MafiaMenace is bad, who is his teammate and why?

Nova, because they were both first to vote G-man today

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:56 pm Assuming three mafia and Sloonei is bad, who is his teammate and why?

nutella, because Sloonei gave nutella a very strong town read

Doesn't this seem too easy lol ?

I tried not to over-think it.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] , what did you see from Sloonei that made you like Menace? Cause I'm seeing this most recently:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:06 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:53 pm ....I share I think it was your or Nutella that epi’s antagonizing weirds me out, but I can’t decide if it’s him being town or mafia

He would be my best lead outside of Jay who what appears from our angle to change people’s alignments at a whim (but he says he’s actually hunting)

Then of course we have everyone who isn’t participating. I’m sure there’s one person who didn’t vote yesterday that is scum

Sprityo throws this comment away at the end of a post. If he is scum and he sincerely wants us to push this angle, he might give it more attention, maybe even devote an entire analytical post to it or something. But instead he just floats the idea with a shrug, not even naming the three people he’s vaguely accusing here (Spacddaisy/Lunalee, WaywardSon/nova, MafiaMenace). Sprit’s apparent lack of emphasis on this subject would cause me to speculate that maybe he’s telling the truth when he says one of them is bad.

MafiaMenace is one of them. I feel mildly good about nova. I have no clearly defined read on luna. She should give us reads and get attention.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:56 pm That bit of reading didn't do much for me, so I want to propose something else:

Assuming three mafia and G-Man is bad, who is his teammate and why?

reywas, because they are in G-man's "positive feelings" list despite not doing much

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:56 pm Assuming three mafia and MafiaMenace is bad, who is his teammate and why?

Nova, because they were both first to vote G-man today

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:56 pm Assuming three mafia and Sloonei is bad, who is his teammate and why?

nutella, because Sloonei gave nutella a very strong town read

do you think G-man's vote is a last-ditch effort at WIFOM, or what?

Hi I'm here.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:51 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:56 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:23 pm Let’s get this over with, then. With Luna replacing Spacedaisy, we no longer have to worry about mulling over the fate of an inactive. Grill her and don’t let her glom onto the opinions of others. Force original content from her (and everyone, really).

Barring anything compelling, I entered Day 2 pretty sure I would vote for either Nutella or Jay. With Jay NK’d and sprityo’s flip, I find myself less convinced of Nutella’s guilt. That leaves me in a common predicament- I tunneled on a few people and now they’re either dead and civ or I have reason to doubt my reads. This leaves me at square one in a game that’s now too post-heavy for me to re-read to recalibrate all my thoughts, making me both a poor hunter and, thereby, less useful to the civvie cause than ever.

Vote for me but don’t settle down. Don’t get lazy. Keep reading and forcing interaction. The more you guys get reads, theories, and thoughts from each other, the more likely you’ll be able to find the cracks in someone’s posts. Just don’t over-analyze and force people into tidy little boxes.

Mafia is an art, not a science. When you try to force art into becoming science, you get midichlorians and mislynches.

If there’s two baddies left, then it’s 6v2 right now, which will make tomorrow Lylo. If there’s just one baddie left, then there’s plenty of cushion to survive mislynching me.

So you're recommending everyone force "original" content from myself and each other, but you won't be able to contribute?

I do like that you said, "vote for me but don't settle." I agree fully with that and will continue to look at other people today.

Teammates confirmed.

Why do you say that?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:08 pm See the response to Sloonei's suspicions

oh, thanks.

[mention]MafiaMenace[/mention] What made you switch your vote from G-man to Sloonei? I don't see where you said anything about it.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:55 pm Looking back through the first half of Day 2, I’m reaching the conclusion that either Sloonei or WaywardSon/Nova is bad. I’m just at the point where Nova steps in, so I have to see what comes from the new blood. Re-reading Wayward was giving me all kinds of weird vibes.

Sloonei seemed to harp on Wayward a bit through that point, agreeing and expounding on Jay’s assessment. I can see him bussing one teammate but not two quite like that. His sprityo focus D1 and his Wayward focus D2 share similarities. Maybe not structurally but in the way they make me feel while reading it.

WaywardSon voted for the "non" option on day 1, correct? Is there ever a town motive for doing something like that?

Corrected post from before:
Thanks for another long post, Sloonei. I'll add answers in where you had questions.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:16 pm Looking at lunalee. Replacements always have the slight advantage, if and when they're scum, of being able to form genuine opinions before the enter the game. However, when Luna entered she appeared to do a big catch-up and posted her reads quickly after. It's not a bad look, though some points were a bit questionable:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:23 am Here's my current take on things:
Epi looks town because of his rainbow post on day 2 with sprityo listed as "would lynch" before the wagon had even taken off. Also his interactions with the thread look like genuine town to me.

The "rainbow post" is a post by Jay used to accuse Epi. I don't disbelieve that the original post from Epi could have been a good look to Luna, but this seems like an odd mix up. Care to explain how that happened, Luna? And maybe explain how/why the post(s) in question made Epi look good?

I originally saw this post when I started my day 2 read-through. I started out with the mind-set, "knowing sprityo was mafia and lynched, who looks good and who looks bad." Disregarding Jay's opinion on Epi's post (which btw, I don't agree with), I saw that Epi listed Sprityo as someone he "Would Lynch". Which seems a bit unnecessary for him to do if they were teammates, because I don't think anyone had really looked that closely at sprityo yet, but I do recognize it could be early distancing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:16 pm

Nutella looks town from her posts so far, also Sprityo voted for nutella day 2. I don't really see a reason for him to vote for a teammate at that point. But she did stay on Sloonei until the very end even with him refusing to vote her to save himself. Seems a bit strange.

I'm sure this has been pointed out, but nutella announced that she would not be around for the end of day. She didn't see any of the developments that lead to sprit's lynch.

I'm liking Sloonei's content. He looks town for his banter with nutella and nova. But also wants Epi lynched. When Sprityo comes up he says, "sprityo is a town read, but not a strong one. if anyone has a compelling case on him, please share it." That looks like he's ready to bus a teammate, but is looking for a good enough reason first. Says "so we're not lynching Epi?" as the sprityo wagon pulls away. Then places a vote on Spacedaisy and asks, "anyone?" Then very reluctantly votes sprityo. It's almost too reluctant to be a convincing bus. Then his reaction post-lynch is embarrassment for not being totally on board. Sort of looks town for that. Also looks town for refusing to settle for a nutella lynch. But I flipped back and forth on Sloonei a lot while reading day 2.

I like this. It seems to cover real ground as Luna struggles with her read on me.

You like being ambiguous? okay

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:16 pm

Nova looks good for posting "I don't like sprit's vote on nutella." If Sprit and Nova were scum-mates, there would be no reason for him to point this out. But Nova also takes advantage of G-man's nutella vote to petition a last-minute switch to G-man. After Sprit flips scum, he also is very quick to point a finger at G-man as being "teammate compatible." Not a good look.

Could you elaborate on why it's not a good look for nova to push G-man after sprit flips bad? I can get this criticism prior to the lynch, but afterwards it seems like totally fair game. Plus, I was directly asking him to share his thoughts on G-man.

Actually Nova said this before you even asked him for an opinion on G-man. I have a mixed view on G-man, but the thing that rubbed me the wrong way here wasn't that nova thought G-man looked to be team mate compatible with sprit, but how quickly he brought it up post-lynch. I know as scum I'm hyper aware when town makes themselves look bad so I can set them up for a mislynch, and it looked like Nova could be doing just that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:16 pm

MafiaMenace thought lynching Sloonei was a good idea. But after sprityo becomes an option, Menace posts the two people he wants to lynch are nutella or Jay (one now confirmed town, and the other looks town to me). Also the way he was quick to get defensive with Epi makes him look suspicious to me.

Why does the quick defensiveness make him look bad?

so what I saw was the day 1 banter between epi and MM about why MM being away made him look scummy, and then later Epi calling him out for being in the thread for 7 minutes, and saying that half an hour wasn't enough time to do anything. I suppose MM's reaction would be normal for scum or town, but it did look like he was floundering a bit, and I thought Epi had fair points.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:16 pm

G-man pops in near EOD with a "I want to lynch nutella." I see how this looks bad, but it's not completely condemning, especially if he wasn't around much. Actually Nova's quick reaction to G-man's vote looks worse.

I'm sure there have been updates on this read because I remember you talking about G-man a bit and then voting him.

I had difficulty reading reywaS behind all their Kanye memes and lyrics. They voted Sloonei and stayed there while Sprityo was lynced. Not a good look, but I also distrust people who seem to hide behind a post gimmick.

I impulsively leap to defend people who post with gimmicks because they're willfully making themselves an easy target to criticism. Note that that's happening here a little. For what it's worth, I thought reywas looked genuine in his drunken relapse from the shtick last night.

I agree he looked genuine last night. And I realize that people use post gimmicks to spice up their game, and since this is literally vanilla mafia, reywaS probably saw this as a good time to do that. That said, I still don't really love it, but I can deal.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:16 pm I appreciate that this post exists, but I have a few questions about the mindset reflected in these reads. Some seem like they could be dishonest to an extent.

I'm not sure which reads came across as dishonest. But I do realize my opinions can sometimes be all over the place and conflict as I see more and think more about things.

Thanks for another long post, Sloonei. I'll add answers in where you had questions.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:16 pm Looking at lunalee. Replacements always have the slight advantage, if and when they're scum, of being able to form genuine opinions before the enter the game. However, when Luna entered she appeared to do a big catch-up and posted her reads quickly after. It's not a bad look, though some points were a bit questionable:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:23 am Here's my current take on things:
Epi looks town because of his rainbow post on day 2 with sprityo listed as "would lynch" before the wagon had even taken off. Also his interactions with the thread look like genuine town to me.

The "rainbow post" is a post by Jay used to accuse Epi. I don't disbelieve that the original post from Epi could have been a good look to Luna, but this seems like an odd mix up. Care to explain how that happened, Luna? And maybe explain how/why the post(s) in question made Epi look good?

I originally saw this post when I started my day 2 read-through. I started out with the mind-set, "knowing sprityo was mafia and lynched, who looks good and who looks bad." Disregarding Jay's opinion on Epi's post (which btw, I don't agree with), I saw that Epi listed Sprityo as someone he "Would Lynch". Which seems a bit unnecessary for him to do if they were teammates, because I don't think anyone had really looked that closely at sprityo yet, but I do recognize it could be early distancing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:16 pm

Nutella looks town from her posts so far, also Sprityo voted for nutella day 2. I don't really see a reason for him to vote for a teammate at that point. But she did stay on Sloonei until the very end even with him refusing to vote her to save himself. Seems a bit strange.

I'm sure this has been pointed out, but nutella announced that she would not be around for the end of day. She didn't see any of the developments that lead to sprit's lynch.

I'm liking Sloonei's content. He looks town for his banter with nutella and nova. But also wants Epi lynched. When Sprityo comes up he says, "sprityo is a town read, but not a strong one. if anyone has a compelling case on him, please share it." That looks like he's ready to bus a teammate, but is looking for a good enough reason first. Says "so we're not lynching Epi?" as the sprityo wagon pulls away. Then places a vote on Spacedaisy and asks, "anyone?" Then very reluctantly votes sprityo. It's almost too reluctant to be a convincing bus. Then his reaction post-lynch is embarrassment for not being totally on board. Sort of looks town for that. Also looks town for refusing to settle for a nutella lynch. But I flipped back and forth on Sloonei a lot while reading day 2.

I like this. It seems to cover real ground as Luna struggles with her read on me.

You like being ambiguous? okay

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:16 pm

Nova looks good for posting "I don't like sprit's vote on nutella." If Sprit and Nova were scum-mates, there would be no reason for him to point this out. But Nova also takes advantage of G-man's nutella vote to petition a last-minute switch to G-man. After Sprit flips scum, he also is very quick to point a finger at G-man as being "teammate compatible." Not a good look.

Could you elaborate on why it's not a good look for nova to push G-man after sprit flips bad? I can get this criticism prior to the lynch, but afterwards it seems like totally fair game. Plus, I was directly asking him to share his thoughts on G-man.

Actually Nova said this before you even asked him for an opinion on G-man. I have a mixed view on G-man, but the thing that rubbed me the wrong way here wasn't that nova thought G-man looked to be team mate compatible with sprit, but how quickly he brought it up post-lynch. I know as scum I'm hyper aware when town makes themselves look bad so I can set them up for a mislynch, and it looked like Nova could be doing just that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:16 pm

MafiaMenace thought lynching Sloonei was a good idea. But after sprityo becomes an option, Menace posts the two people he wants to lynch are nutella or Jay (one now confirmed town, and the other looks town to me). Also the way he was quick to get defensive with Epi makes him look suspicious to me.

Why does the quick defensiveness make him look bad?

so what I saw was the day 1 banter between epi and MM about why MM being away made him look scummy, and then later Epi calling him out for being in the thread for 7 minutes, and saying that half an hour wasn't enough time to do anything...

G-man pops in near EOD with a "I want to lynch nutella." I see how this looks bad, but it's not completely condemning, especially if he wasn't around much. Actually Nova's quick reaction to G-man's vote looks worse.

I'm sure there have been updates on this read because I remember you talking about G-man a bit and then voting him.

I had difficulty reading reywaS behind all their Kanye memes and lyrics. They voted Sloonei and stayed there while Sprityo was lynced. Not a good look, but I also distrust people who seem to hide behind a post gimmick.

I impulsively leap to defend people who post with gimmicks because they're willfully making themselves an easy target to criticism. Note that that's happening here a little. For what it's worth, I thought reywas looked genuine in his drunken relapse from the shtick last night.

I appreciate that this post exists, but I have a few questions about the mindset reflected in these reads. Some seem like they could be dishonest to an extent.
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posting this so I don't lose it, but gtg.

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:04 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:03 am

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:57 am no shit he's bad as bad gets
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talking bout how many bad guys we have in this game lmao


that's something we will never know till end game so why the fuck even bring it up, cuz?

Did you not notice nova did that too?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:25 am What's the consensus on the setup? I've been working with 2 remaining baddies, but I thinking the likelihood of it being just 1 is important.

It's a little weird playing mafia with Kanye West

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:57 am no shit he's bad as bad gets
\

talking bout how many bad guys we have in this game lmao


that's something we will never know till end game so why the fuck even bring it up, cuz?

Did you not notice nova did that too?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:25 am What's the consensus on the setup? I've been working with 2 remaining baddies, but I thinking the likelihood of it being just 1 is important.

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:54 am too bad none of ya'll be around right now

Yeah, I'm usually asleep at night.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:49 pm @Lunalee why did you switch your vote to MafiaMenace?

Because sprityo's interactions with MM look worse than G-man's EOD apathy.

reywaS wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:55 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:58 pm @reywaS I would love to see opinions from you that aren't in the form of you reacting to other people's posts. Who would you be okay with lynching today, and who do you think should not be lynched?

Spoiler: show

Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, unless you will
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, then play you will, I pray you will

Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, you will you will
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Don't say you will, if you will, I pray you will

Does this mean you won't give input until I answer the question I just asked you?

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:21 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:59 pm @G-Man It's too early in the day for your train to be permanent. No need for the self pity vote. Who would you like to see lynched today?

Luna, I just don’t know. I let myself get too focused one two people and I don’t know that I have the time or energy to start from scratch.

Okay, who are you most focused on right now then?

[mention]G-Man[/mention] It's too early in the day for your train to be permanent. No need for the self pity vote. Who would you like to see lynched today?

[mention]reywaS[/mention] I would love to see opinions from you that aren't in the form of you reacting to other people's posts. Who would you be okay with lynching today, and who do you think should not be lynched?

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:23 pm Let’s get this over with, then. With Luna replacing Spacedaisy, we no longer have to worry about mulling over the fate of an inactive. Grill her and don’t let her glom onto the opinions of others. Force original content from her (and everyone, really).

Barring anything compelling, I entered Day 2 pretty sure I would vote for either Nutella or Jay. With Jay NK’d and sprityo’s flip, I find myself less convinced of Nutella’s guilt. That leaves me in a common predicament- I tunneled on a few people and now they’re either dead and civ or I have reason to doubt my reads. This leaves me at square one in a game that’s now too post-heavy for me to re-read to recalibrate all my thoughts, making me both a poor hunter and, thereby, less useful to the civvie cause than ever.

Vote for me but don’t settle down. Don’t get lazy. Keep reading and forcing interaction. The more you guys get reads, theories, and thoughts from each other, the more likely you’ll be able to find the cracks in someone’s posts. Just don’t over-analyze and force people into tidy little boxes.

Mafia is an art, not a science. When you try to force art into becoming science, you get midichlorians and mislynches.

If there’s two baddies left, then it’s 6v2 right now, which will make tomorrow Lylo. If there’s just one baddie left, then there’s plenty of cushion to survive mislynching me.

So you're recommending everyone force "original" content from myself and each other, but you won't be able to contribute?

I do like that you said, "vote for me but don't settle." I agree fully with that and will continue to look at other people today.