Vanilla Mafia - [MELTED]

[reywaS]

What's the consensus on the setup? I've been working with 2 remaining baddies, but I thinking the likelihood of it being just 1 is important.

Thoughts?

this game is what, 13 players?
id say 3 is the balance here

9 v 3 isn't balanced in my book. The first post "you're all vanilla, but nobody is" implies all generic aka vanilla, but no one is the vanilla flavor.

I mean 10 v 2 is barely balanced with no power roles.

yeah it might be mountainous
day 3 with no cop results, unlikely that cop doesnt get a single red check

i had the opinion that it was with prs

i guess 10v2 works the best here

The hang ups we have today-ay-ay
But they don't really realize, though
This next verse, this next verse though
These bars
Watch this some shit, go

Poopy-di scoop
Scoop-diddy-whoop
Whoop-di-scoop-di-poop
Poop-di-scoopty
Scoopty-whoop
Whoopity-scoop, whoop-poop
Poop-diddy, whoop-scoop
Poop, poop
Scoop-diddy-whoop
Whoop-diddy-scoop
Whoop-diddy-scoop, poop

[reywaS]

Ayy, time is extremely valuable
And I prefer to waste it on girls that's basic
That's just some Ye shit

[Sloonei]

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] why did you switch your vote to MafiaMenace?

[novaselinenever]

What's the consensus on the setup? I've been working with 2 remaining baddies, but I thinking the likelihood of it being just 1 is important.

Thoughts?

this game is what, 13 players?
id say 3 is the balance here

9 v 3 isn't balanced in my book. The first post "you're all vanilla, but nobody is" implies all generic aka vanilla, but no one is the vanilla flavor.

I mean 10 v 2 is barely balanced with no power roles.

yeah it might be mountainous
day 3 with no cop results, unlikely that cop doesnt get a single red check

i had the opinion that it was with prs

i guess 10v2 works the best here

The hang ups we have today-ay-ay
But they don't really realize, though
This next verse, this next verse though
These bars
Watch this some shit, go

Poopy-di scoop
Scoop-diddy-whoop
Whoop-di-scoop-di-poop
Poop-di-scoopty
Scoopty-whoop
Whoopity-scoop, whoop-poop
Poop-diddy, whoop-scoop
Poop, poop
Scoop-diddy-whoop
Whoop-diddy-scoop
Whoop-diddy-scoop, poop

Only tell you real shit, that's the tea, no sip.

[Sloonei]

the first one was the quote without my post
"that was my goal by stirring up an argument"

its just a direct interaction, it was a normal conversation and i dont see the reason how its wolfy
theres many insignificant interactions throughout this game, you cant just single that one specifically lmao

My only meaningful gripe with MafiaMenace's response to me is this bit. I can't just dismiss the interaction in question here as "normal conversation" when one of the two parties involved is confirmed scum. The entire point of interactive reads is to read the interactions between people. When I see severely limited interactions between Confirmed Scum and Potential Suspect, and the most noteworthy exchange is totally superfluous, I'm going to scrutinize that. That sort of stuff is my mafia lifeblood.

Other than that, I like some of your responses to me, but there's nothing more to be said. What matters most now, to me at least, is the development of new reads from you. Tell us what's going on in your head right now.

[VOTE: G-man] aubergine to keep the poll nice and tight for now.

[nutella]

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] you seem pretty against the recent suspicions on menace. do you have particular reason to believe he is town, or do you just not find any compelling points against him?

[novaselinenever]

@novaselinenever you seem pretty against the recent suspicions on menace. do you have particular reason to believe he is town, or do you just not find any compelling points against him?

Hmm where are getting the bolded from?

There were some good points raised by Sloonei in the ISO of MM posts themselves. I didn't find compelling the linkage to Sprit though

[nutella]

I guess it was just the criticism of the sprit linkage and the sheep gif, maybe I unjustifiably over-extrapolated your opinion because I remember you and him agreeing a fair amount.

[Sloonei]

@novaselinenever you seem pretty against the recent suspicions on menace. do you have particular reason to believe he is town, or do you just not find any compelling points against him?

Hmm where are getting the bolded from?

There were some good points raised by Sloonei in the ISO of MM posts themselves. I didn't find compelling the linkage to Sprit though

I feel like the sprityo connections are the strongest pieces of the case. Why do you disagree?

[novaselinenever]

I guess it was just the criticism of the sprit linkage and the sheep gif, maybe I unjustifiably over-extrapolated your opinion because I remember you and him agreeing a fair amount.

The sheep gif was a poke at you, not the case on MM lol.

[novaselinenever]

@novaselinenever you seem pretty against the recent suspicions on menace. do you have particular reason to believe he is town, or do you just not find any compelling points against him?

Hmm where are getting the bolded from?

There were some good points raised by Sloonei in the ISO of MM posts themselves. I didn't find compelling the linkage to Sprit though

I feel like the sprityo connections are the strongest pieces of the case. Why do you disagree?

I think the indirect defense point is a stretch. I read it more as an attack on Nutella, since he was scrutinizing her behavior in that exchange.

I don't see the 2 fluff exchange between them as compelling evidence of partnership. I fluff around, and have playful banter in-thread with most players regardless of my alignment. Case in point, me and you had similar exchanges early last day that Nutella qualified as banter/distancing. I'm Town, so from my PoV it isn't. If you're Town, you should have the same PoV. I see their exchanges in the same light.

Now, the lack of mentioning and interaction between them could be telling something but Sprityo hasn't been really active nor talkative so it's moot point. I remember you making this conclusion has well.

[novaselinenever]

Now your ISO of him on the other hand is much more compelling. I liked the observation about the double-standard he had in his treatment of Nutella and his several inconsistencies.

[Sloonei]

@novaselinenever you seem pretty against the recent suspicions on menace. do you have particular reason to believe he is town, or do you just not find any compelling points against him?

Hmm where are getting the bolded from?

There were some good points raised by Sloonei in the ISO of MM posts themselves. I didn't find compelling the linkage to Sprit though

I feel like the sprityo connections are the strongest pieces of the case. Why do you disagree?

I think the indirect defense point is a stretch. I read it more as an attack on Nutella, since he was scrutinizing her behavior in that exchange.

I don't see the 2 fluff exchange between them as compelling evidence of partnership. I fluff around, and have playful banter in-thread with most players regardless of my alignment. Case in point, me and you had similar exchanges early last day that Nutella qualified as banter/distancing. I'm Town, so from my PoV it isn't. If you're Town, you should have the same PoV. I see their exchanges in the same light.

Now, the lack of mentioning and interaction between them could be telling something but Sprityo hasn't been really active nor talkative so it's moot point. I remember you making this conclusion has well.

It’s the lack of interaction paired with those couple of “fluff” posts that has me concerned. And also sprityo’s unapologetic support of MafiaMenace in his argument with nutella on Day 2. It looked like a teammate trying to lend support of his partner’s case without calling too much attention to the fact.

There is also another post I want to emphasize separately.

[Sloonei]

....I share I think it was your or Nutella that epi’s antagonizing weirds me out, but I can’t decide if it’s him being town or mafia

He would be my best lead outside of Jay who what appears from our angle to change people’s alignments at a whim (but he says he’s actually hunting)

Then of course we have everyone who isn’t participating. I’m sure there’s one person who didn’t vote yesterday that is scum

Sprityo throws this comment away at the end of a post. If he is scum and he sincerely wants us to push this angle, he might give it more attention, maybe even devote an entire analytical post to it or something. But instead he just floats the idea with a shrug, not even naming the three people he’s vaguely accusing here (Spacddaisy/Lunalee, WaywardSon/nova, MafiaMenace). Sprit’s apparent lack of emphasis on this subject would cause me to speculate that maybe he’s telling the truth when he says one of them is bad.

MafiaMenace is one of them. I feel mildly good about nova. I have no clearly defined read on luna. She should give us reads and get attention.

[novaselinenever]

@novaselinenever you seem pretty against the recent suspicions on menace. do you have particular reason to believe he is town, or do you just not find any compelling points against him?

Hmm where are getting the bolded from?

There were some good points raised by Sloonei in the ISO of MM posts themselves. I didn't find compelling the linkage to Sprit though

I feel like the sprityo connections are the strongest pieces of the case. Why do you disagree?

I think the indirect defense point is a stretch. I read it more as an attack on Nutella, since he was scrutinizing her behavior in that exchange.

I don't see the 2 fluff exchange between them as compelling evidence of partnership. I fluff around, and have playful banter in-thread with most players regardless of my alignment. Case in point, me and you had similar exchanges early last day that Nutella qualified as banter/distancing. I'm Town, so from my PoV it isn't. If you're Town, you should have the same PoV. I see their exchanges in the same light.

Now, the lack of mentioning and interaction between them could be telling something but Sprityo hasn't been really active nor talkative so it's moot point. I remember you making this conclusion has well.

It’s the lack of interaction paired with those couple of “fluff” posts that has me concerned. And also sprityo’s unapologetic support of MafiaMenace in his argument with nutella on Day 2. It looked like a teammate trying to lend support of his partner’s case without calling too much attention to the fact.

There is also another post I want to emphasize separately.

That unapologetic support is actually my biggest issue with pairing them. It read to me like a baddie hijacking a townie's push, so that if something goes wrong he isn't fist in line to catch some poo lol. His back-tracking during that post emphasize this for me. It's what got me on Sprit's tracks.

[novaselinenever]

....I share I think it was your or Nutella that epi’s antagonizing weirds me out, but I can’t decide if it’s him being town or mafia

He would be my best lead outside of Jay who what appears from our angle to change people’s alignments at a whim (but he says he’s actually hunting)

Then of course we have everyone who isn’t participating. I’m sure there’s one person who didn’t vote yesterday that is scum

Sprityo throws this comment away at the end of a post. If he is scum and he sincerely wants us to push this angle, he might give it more attention, maybe even devote an entire analytical post to it or something. But instead he just floats the idea with a shrug, not even naming the three people he’s vaguely accusing here (Spacddaisy/Lunalee, WaywardSon/nova, MafiaMenace). Sprit’s apparent lack of emphasis on this subject would cause me to speculate that maybe he’s telling the truth when he says one of them is bad.

MafiaMenace is one of them. I feel mildly good about nova. I have no clearly defined read on luna. She should give us reads and get attention.

Mildly good isn't good enough

OT: I remember this post. Still waffling on it, and Luna's is in my PoE.

[reywaS]

ok ok ok ima break character and drunk post fa da next 30 minutes. get in where ya fit in cuz

[reywaS]

Unbreakable, what you thought, they'd call me Mr. Glass?
Look back on my life like the Ghost of Christmas Past
Toys "R" Us where I used to spend that Christmas cash
And I still won't grow up, I'm a grown-ass kid
Swear I should be locked up for stupid shit that I did
But I'm a champion, so I turned tragedy to triumph
Make music that's fire, spit my soul through the wire

[reywaS]

hey hey hey

[reywaS]

i do enjoy a good spam

[reywaS]

too bad none of ya'll be around right now

[reywaS]

smh

[reywaS]

that means shaking my head btw

[reywaS]

im litcherally shaking my head right now

[reywaS]

mafia menace is so so so bad yo

[reywaS]

no shit he's bad as bad gets
\

talking bout how many bad guys we have in this game lmao


that's something we will never know till end game so why the fuck even bring it up, cuz?

[reywaS]

MM and whoever da fuk he was talkin bout it to. both could be bad as far as yo momma is concerned.

Epi is good probably

aslgnkagnoiwng[oewrng

wooot muthafuckin woot

[reywaS]

ive been tryyyyin..to make you love me....but everything i try...just takes u further from meeeeee

[reywaS]

Some day we gon' set it off
Some day we gon' get this off
Baby, don't you bet it all
On a pack of Fentanyl
You might think they wrote you off
They gon' have to rope me off
Some day the drama'll be gone
And they'll pray, it's not enough
Sometimes I take all the shine
Talk like I drank all the wine
Years ahead but way behind
I'm on one, two, three, four, five
No half-truths, just naked minds
Caught between space and time
This not what we had in mind
But maybe some day

[reywaS]

seriously tho. read my words, you assholes

[reywaS]

night night

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee why did you switch your vote to MafiaMenace?

Because sprityo's interactions with MM look worse than G-man's EOD apathy.

[Lunalee]

too bad none of ya'll be around right now

Yeah, I'm usually asleep at night.

[Lunalee]

no shit he's bad as bad gets
\

talking bout how many bad guys we have in this game lmao


that's something we will never know till end game so why the fuck even bring it up, cuz?

Did you not notice nova did that too?

What's the consensus on the setup? I've been working with 2 remaining baddies, but I thinking the likelihood of it being just 1 is important.

[reywaS]

no shit he's bad as bad gets
\

talking bout how many bad guys we have in this game lmao


that's something we will never know till end game so why the fuck even bring it up, cuz?

Did you not notice nova did that too?

What's the consensus on the setup? I've been working with 2 remaining baddies, but I thinking the likelihood of it being just 1 is important.

[Lunalee]

no shit he's bad as bad gets
\

talking bout how many bad guys we have in this game lmao


that's something we will never know till end game so why the fuck even bring it up, cuz?

Did you not notice nova did that too?

What's the consensus on the setup? I've been working with 2 remaining baddies, but I thinking the likelihood of it being just 1 is important.

It's a little weird playing mafia with Kanye West

[Sloonei]

Looking at lunalee. Replacements always have the slight advantage, if and when they're scum, of being able to form genuine opinions before the enter the game. However, when Luna entered she appeared to do a big catch-up and posted her reads quickly after. It's not a bad look, though some points were a bit questionable:

Here's my current take on things:
Epi looks town because of his rainbow post on day 2 with sprityo listed as "would lynch" before the wagon had even taken off. Also his interactions with the thread look like genuine town to me.

The "rainbow post" is a post by Jay used to accuse Epi. I don't disbelieve that the original post from Epi could have been a good look to Luna, but this seems like an odd mix up. Care to explain how that happened, Luna? And maybe explain how/why the post(s) in question made Epi look good?

Nutella looks town from her posts so far, also Sprityo voted for nutella day 2. I don't really see a reason for him to vote for a teammate at that point. But she did stay on Sloonei until the very end even with him refusing to vote her to save himself. Seems a bit strange.

I'm sure this has been pointed out, but nutella announced that she would not be around for the end of day. She didn't see any of the developments that lead to sprit's lynch.

I'm liking Sloonei's content. He looks town for his banter with nutella and nova. But also wants Epi lynched. When Sprityo comes up he says, "sprityo is a town read, but not a strong one. if anyone has a compelling case on him, please share it." That looks like he's ready to bus a teammate, but is looking for a good enough reason first. Says "so we're not lynching Epi?" as the sprityo wagon pulls away. Then places a vote on Spacedaisy and asks, "anyone?" Then very reluctantly votes sprityo. It's almost too reluctant to be a convincing bus. Then his reaction post-lynch is embarrassment for not being totally on board. Sort of looks town for that. Also looks town for refusing to settle for a nutella lynch. But I flipped back and forth on Sloonei a lot while reading day 2.

I like this. It seems to cover real ground as Luna struggles with her read on me.

Nova looks good for posting "I don't like sprit's vote on nutella." If Sprit and Nova were scum-mates, there would be no reason for him to point this out. But Nova also takes advantage of G-man's nutella vote to petition a last-minute switch to G-man. After Sprit flips scum, he also is very quick to point a finger at G-man as being "teammate compatible." Not a good look.

Could you elaborate on why it's not a good look for nova to push G-man after sprit flips bad? I can get this criticism prior to the lynch, but afterwards it seems like totally fair game. Plus, I was directly asking him to share his thoughts on G-man.

MafiaMenace thought lynching Sloonei was a good idea. But after sprityo becomes an option, Menace posts the two people he wants to lynch are nutella or Jay (one now confirmed town, and the other looks town to me). Also the way he was quick to get defensive with Epi makes him look suspicious to me.

Why does the quick defensiveness make him look bad?

G-man pops in near EOD with a "I want to lynch nutella." I see how this looks bad, but it's not completely condemning, especially if he wasn't around much. Actually Nova's quick reaction to G-man's vote looks worse.

I'm sure there have been updates on this read because I remember you talking about G-man a bit and then voting him.

I had difficulty reading reywaS behind all their Kanye memes and lyrics. They voted Sloonei and stayed there while Sprityo was lynced. Not a good look, but I also distrust people who seem to hide behind a post gimmick.

I impulsively leap to defend people who post with gimmicks because they're willfully making themselves an easy target to criticism. Note that that's happening here a little. For what it's worth, I thought reywas looked genuine in his drunken relapse from the shtick last night.

I appreciate that this post exists, but I have a few questions about the mindset reflected in these reads. Some seem like they could be dishonest to an extent.

[G-Man]

Languishing through a partial re-read. I got through Night 1. It offered me a new perspective. I see room for Sloonei to be bad. He chimed in with mentions of sprityo several times during Day and Night 1 combined. It’s almost like he wanted us to follow him down that rabbit hole.

Because we didn’t, he looks better after the flip. He didn’t push hard for a sprityo lynch, because that would look way too obvious in retrospect, especially had we lynched sprityo Day 1. He was tied with two civvies for the Day 1 lynch before he switched to Eloh. Pulling a sacrifice switch on Eloh is much easier to swallow for many of us than pulling a sacrifice switch of Jay. Sloonei always values Jay’s input, something he mentioned later to me when I asked him about why Eloh over Jay. All this, plus being a day removed from his sprityo focus could be evidence of a smooth operator, which Sloonei can be.

I don’t know if I’ll have time to read through Day 2, so I’ll leave my vote where it is for now. Far too much to work through to call Sloonei hard mafia. I still see room for Nutella to be bad too. Reading back through keeping in mind that Jay, Eloh, and Sabie were civvie and Sprityo was bad didn’t open much more up in my mind about MafiaMenace, Wayward/Nove, or Spacedaisy/Luna. That where I think I need to do the most work to develop firmer reads on everyone.

[Sloonei]

Languishing through a partial re-read. I got through Night 1. It offered me a new perspective. I see room for Sloonei to be bad. He chimed in with mentions of sprityo several times during Day and Night 1 combined. It’s almost like he wanted us to follow him down that rabbit hole.

Because we didn’t, he looks better after the flip. He didn’t push hard for a sprityo lynch, because that would look way too obvious in retrospect, especially had we lynched sprityo Day 1. He was tied with two civvies for the Day 1 lynch before he switched to Eloh. Pulling a sacrifice switch on Eloh is much easier to swallow for many of us than pulling a sacrifice switch of Jay. Sloonei always values Jay’s input, something he mentioned later to me when I asked him about why Eloh over Jay. All this, plus being a day removed from his sprityo focus could be evidence of a smooth operator, which Sloonei can be.

I don’t know if I’ll have time to read through Day 2, so I’ll leave my vote where it is for now. Far too much to work through to call Sloonei hard mafia. I still see room for Nutella to be bad too. Reading back through keeping in mind that Jay, Eloh, and Sabie were civvie and Sprityo was bad didn’t open much more up in my mind about MafiaMenace, Wayward/Nove, or Spacedaisy/Luna. That where I think I need to do the most work to develop firmer reads on everyone.

Your vote is currently on yourself. I advise against that.

[Lunalee]

Thanks for another long post, Sloonei. I'll add answers in where you had questions.

Looking at lunalee. Replacements always have the slight advantage, if and when they're scum, of being able to form genuine opinions before the enter the game. However, when Luna entered she appeared to do a big catch-up and posted her reads quickly after. It's not a bad look, though some points were a bit questionable:

Here's my current take on things:
Epi looks town because of his rainbow post on day 2 with sprityo listed as "would lynch" before the wagon had even taken off. Also his interactions with the thread look like genuine town to me.

The "rainbow post" is a post by Jay used to accuse Epi. I don't disbelieve that the original post from Epi could have been a good look to Luna, but this seems like an odd mix up. Care to explain how that happened, Luna? And maybe explain how/why the post(s) in question made Epi look good?

I originally saw this post when I started my day 2 read-through. I started out with the mind-set, "knowing sprityo was mafia and lynched, who looks good and who looks bad." Disregarding Jay's opinion on Epi's post (which btw, I don't agree with), I saw that Epi listed Sprityo as someone he "Would Lynch". Which seems a bit unnecessary for him to do if they were teammates, because I don't think anyone had really looked that closely at sprityo yet, but I do recognize it could be early distancing.

Nutella looks town from her posts so far, also Sprityo voted for nutella day 2. I don't really see a reason for him to vote for a teammate at that point. But she did stay on Sloonei until the very end even with him refusing to vote her to save himself. Seems a bit strange.

I'm sure this has been pointed out, but nutella announced that she would not be around for the end of day. She didn't see any of the developments that lead to sprit's lynch.

I'm liking Sloonei's content. He looks town for his banter with nutella and nova. But also wants Epi lynched. When Sprityo comes up he says, "sprityo is a town read, but not a strong one. if anyone has a compelling case on him, please share it." That looks like he's ready to bus a teammate, but is looking for a good enough reason first. Says "so we're not lynching Epi?" as the sprityo wagon pulls away. Then places a vote on Spacedaisy and asks, "anyone?" Then very reluctantly votes sprityo. It's almost too reluctant to be a convincing bus. Then his reaction post-lynch is embarrassment for not being totally on board. Sort of looks town for that. Also looks town for refusing to settle for a nutella lynch. But I flipped back and forth on Sloonei a lot while reading day 2.

I like this. It seems to cover real ground as Luna struggles with her read on me.

You like being ambiguous? okay

Nova looks good for posting "I don't like sprit's vote on nutella." If Sprit and Nova were scum-mates, there would be no reason for him to point this out. But Nova also takes advantage of G-man's nutella vote to petition a last-minute switch to G-man. After Sprit flips scum, he also is very quick to point a finger at G-man as being "teammate compatible." Not a good look.

Could you elaborate on why it's not a good look for nova to push G-man after sprit flips bad? I can get this criticism prior to the lynch, but afterwards it seems like totally fair game. Plus, I was directly asking him to share his thoughts on G-man.

Actually Nova said this before you even asked him for an opinion on G-man. I have a mixed view on G-man, but the thing that rubbed me the wrong way here wasn't that nova thought G-man looked to be team mate compatible with sprit, but how quickly he brought it up post-lynch. I know as scum I'm hyper aware when town makes themselves look bad so I can set them up for a mislynch, and it looked like Nova could be doing just that.

MafiaMenace thought lynching Sloonei was a good idea. But after sprityo becomes an option, Menace posts the two people he wants to lynch are nutella or Jay (one now confirmed town, and the other looks town to me). Also the way he was quick to get defensive with Epi makes him look suspicious to me.

Why does the quick defensiveness make him look bad?

so what I saw was the day 1 banter between epi and MM about why MM being away made him look scummy, and then later Epi calling him out for being in the thread for 7 minutes, and saying that half an hour wasn't enough time to do anything...

G-man pops in near EOD with a "I want to lynch nutella." I see how this looks bad, but it's not completely condemning, especially if he wasn't around much. Actually Nova's quick reaction to G-man's vote looks worse.

I'm sure there have been updates on this read because I remember you talking about G-man a bit and then voting him.

I had difficulty reading reywaS behind all their Kanye memes and lyrics. They voted Sloonei and stayed there while Sprityo was lynced. Not a good look, but I also distrust people who seem to hide behind a post gimmick.

I impulsively leap to defend people who post with gimmicks because they're willfully making themselves an easy target to criticism. Note that that's happening here a little. For what it's worth, I thought reywas looked genuine in his drunken relapse from the shtick last night.

I appreciate that this post exists, but I have a few questions about the mindset reflected in these reads. Some seem like they could be dishonest to an extent.
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posting this so I don't lose it, but gtg.

[G-Man]

Looking back through the first half of Day 2, I’m reaching the conclusion that either Sloonei or WaywardSon/Nova is bad. I’m just at the point where Nova steps in, so I have to see what comes from the new blood. Re-reading Wayward was giving me all kinds of weird vibes.

Sloonei seemed to harp on Wayward a bit through that point, agreeing and expounding on Jay’s assessment. I can see him bussing one teammate but not two quite like that. His sprityo focus D1 and his Wayward focus D2 share similarities. Maybe not structurally but in the way they make me feel while reading it.

[Lunalee]

Corrected post from before:
Thanks for another long post, Sloonei. I'll add answers in where you had questions.

Looking at lunalee. Replacements always have the slight advantage, if and when they're scum, of being able to form genuine opinions before the enter the game. However, when Luna entered she appeared to do a big catch-up and posted her reads quickly after. It's not a bad look, though some points were a bit questionable:

Here's my current take on things:
Epi looks town because of his rainbow post on day 2 with sprityo listed as "would lynch" before the wagon had even taken off. Also his interactions with the thread look like genuine town to me.

The "rainbow post" is a post by Jay used to accuse Epi. I don't disbelieve that the original post from Epi could have been a good look to Luna, but this seems like an odd mix up. Care to explain how that happened, Luna? And maybe explain how/why the post(s) in question made Epi look good?

I originally saw this post when I started my day 2 read-through. I started out with the mind-set, "knowing sprityo was mafia and lynched, who looks good and who looks bad." Disregarding Jay's opinion on Epi's post (which btw, I don't agree with), I saw that Epi listed Sprityo as someone he "Would Lynch". Which seems a bit unnecessary for him to do if they were teammates, because I don't think anyone had really looked that closely at sprityo yet, but I do recognize it could be early distancing.

Nutella looks town from her posts so far, also Sprityo voted for nutella day 2. I don't really see a reason for him to vote for a teammate at that point. But she did stay on Sloonei until the very end even with him refusing to vote her to save himself. Seems a bit strange.

I'm sure this has been pointed out, but nutella announced that she would not be around for the end of day. She didn't see any of the developments that lead to sprit's lynch.

I'm liking Sloonei's content. He looks town for his banter with nutella and nova. But also wants Epi lynched. When Sprityo comes up he says, "sprityo is a town read, but not a strong one. if anyone has a compelling case on him, please share it." That looks like he's ready to bus a teammate, but is looking for a good enough reason first. Says "so we're not lynching Epi?" as the sprityo wagon pulls away. Then places a vote on Spacedaisy and asks, "anyone?" Then very reluctantly votes sprityo. It's almost too reluctant to be a convincing bus. Then his reaction post-lynch is embarrassment for not being totally on board. Sort of looks town for that. Also looks town for refusing to settle for a nutella lynch. But I flipped back and forth on Sloonei a lot while reading day 2.

I like this. It seems to cover real ground as Luna struggles with her read on me.

You like being ambiguous? okay

Nova looks good for posting "I don't like sprit's vote on nutella." If Sprit and Nova were scum-mates, there would be no reason for him to point this out. But Nova also takes advantage of G-man's nutella vote to petition a last-minute switch to G-man. After Sprit flips scum, he also is very quick to point a finger at G-man as being "teammate compatible." Not a good look.

Could you elaborate on why it's not a good look for nova to push G-man after sprit flips bad? I can get this criticism prior to the lynch, but afterwards it seems like totally fair game. Plus, I was directly asking him to share his thoughts on G-man.

Actually Nova said this before you even asked him for an opinion on G-man. I have a mixed view on G-man, but the thing that rubbed me the wrong way here wasn't that nova thought G-man looked to be team mate compatible with sprit, but how quickly he brought it up post-lynch. I know as scum I'm hyper aware when town makes themselves look bad so I can set them up for a mislynch, and it looked like Nova could be doing just that.

MafiaMenace thought lynching Sloonei was a good idea. But after sprityo becomes an option, Menace posts the two people he wants to lynch are nutella or Jay (one now confirmed town, and the other looks town to me). Also the way he was quick to get defensive with Epi makes him look suspicious to me.

Why does the quick defensiveness make him look bad?

so what I saw was the day 1 banter between epi and MM about why MM being away made him look scummy, and then later Epi calling him out for being in the thread for 7 minutes, and saying that half an hour wasn't enough time to do anything. I suppose MM's reaction would be normal for scum or town, but it did look like he was floundering a bit, and I thought Epi had fair points.

G-man pops in near EOD with a "I want to lynch nutella." I see how this looks bad, but it's not completely condemning, especially if he wasn't around much. Actually Nova's quick reaction to G-man's vote looks worse.

I'm sure there have been updates on this read because I remember you talking about G-man a bit and then voting him.

I had difficulty reading reywaS behind all their Kanye memes and lyrics. They voted Sloonei and stayed there while Sprityo was lynced. Not a good look, but I also distrust people who seem to hide behind a post gimmick.

I impulsively leap to defend people who post with gimmicks because they're willfully making themselves an easy target to criticism. Note that that's happening here a little. For what it's worth, I thought reywas looked genuine in his drunken relapse from the shtick last night.

I agree he looked genuine last night. And I realize that people use post gimmicks to spice up their game, and since this is literally vanilla mafia, reywaS probably saw this as a good time to do that. That said, I still don't really love it, but I can deal.

I appreciate that this post exists, but I have a few questions about the mindset reflected in these reads. Some seem like they could be dishonest to an extent.

I'm not sure which reads came across as dishonest. But I do realize my opinions can sometimes be all over the place and conflict as I see more and think more about things.

[Lunalee]

Looking back through the first half of Day 2, I’m reaching the conclusion that either Sloonei or WaywardSon/Nova is bad. I’m just at the point where Nova steps in, so I have to see what comes from the new blood. Re-reading Wayward was giving me all kinds of weird vibes.

Sloonei seemed to harp on Wayward a bit through that point, agreeing and expounding on Jay’s assessment. I can see him bussing one teammate but not two quite like that. His sprityo focus D1 and his Wayward focus D2 share similarities. Maybe not structurally but in the way they make me feel while reading it.

WaywardSon voted for the "non" option on day 1, correct? Is there ever a town motive for doing something like that?

[Epignosis]

I have not forgotten about this, but I won't be available until after 7pm EST at the earliest.

[Lunalee]

[mention]MafiaMenace[/mention] What made you switch your vote from G-man to Sloonei? I don't see where you said anything about it.

[novaselinenever]

See the response to Sloonei's suspicions

[Lunalee]

See the response to Sloonei's suspicions

oh, thanks.

[Epignosis]

Let’s get this over with, then. With Luna replacing Spacedaisy, we no longer have to worry about mulling over the fate of an inactive. Grill her and don’t let her glom onto the opinions of others. Force original content from her (and everyone, really).

Barring anything compelling, I entered Day 2 pretty sure I would vote for either Nutella or Jay. With Jay NK’d and sprityo’s flip, I find myself less convinced of Nutella’s guilt. That leaves me in a common predicament- I tunneled on a few people and now they’re either dead and civ or I have reason to doubt my reads. This leaves me at square one in a game that’s now too post-heavy for me to re-read to recalibrate all my thoughts, making me both a poor hunter and, thereby, less useful to the civvie cause than ever.

Vote for me but don’t settle down. Don’t get lazy. Keep reading and forcing interaction. The more you guys get reads, theories, and thoughts from each other, the more likely you’ll be able to find the cracks in someone’s posts. Just don’t over-analyze and force people into tidy little boxes.

Mafia is an art, not a science. When you try to force art into becoming science, you get midichlorians and mislynches.

If there’s two baddies left, then it’s 6v2 right now, which will make tomorrow Lylo. If there’s just one baddie left, then there’s plenty of cushion to survive mislynching me.

So you're recommending everyone force "original" content from myself and each other, but you won't be able to contribute?

I do like that you said, "vote for me but don't settle." I agree fully with that and will continue to look at other people today.

Teammates confirmed.

[Lunalee]

Let’s get this over with, then. With Luna replacing Spacedaisy, we no longer have to worry about mulling over the fate of an inactive. Grill her and don’t let her glom onto the opinions of others. Force original content from her (and everyone, really).

Barring anything compelling, I entered Day 2 pretty sure I would vote for either Nutella or Jay. With Jay NK’d and sprityo’s flip, I find myself less convinced of Nutella’s guilt. That leaves me in a common predicament- I tunneled on a few people and now they’re either dead and civ or I have reason to doubt my reads. This leaves me at square one in a game that’s now too post-heavy for me to re-read to recalibrate all my thoughts, making me both a poor hunter and, thereby, less useful to the civvie cause than ever.

Vote for me but don’t settle down. Don’t get lazy. Keep reading and forcing interaction. The more you guys get reads, theories, and thoughts from each other, the more likely you’ll be able to find the cracks in someone’s posts. Just don’t over-analyze and force people into tidy little boxes.

Mafia is an art, not a science. When you try to force art into becoming science, you get midichlorians and mislynches.

If there’s two baddies left, then it’s 6v2 right now, which will make tomorrow Lylo. If there’s just one baddie left, then there’s plenty of cushion to survive mislynching me.

So you're recommending everyone force "original" content from myself and each other, but you won't be able to contribute?

I do like that you said, "vote for me but don't settle." I agree fully with that and will continue to look at other people today.

Teammates confirmed.

Why do you say that?

[novaselinenever]

lolol