The Syndicate

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:48 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:21 pm I had shot Drago in the night for backstabbing me xd

ye lol

I had shot Drago in the night for backstabbing me xd

Here the indie role:

speedchuck wrote:Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:46 pm REJ, you are Ryuji Sakamoto

You are vanilla town. Perhaps your power will awaken through friendship?

REJ, you are Goro Akechi

You are a third party assassin. Your goal is to make sure the other two power roles in the game, one town and one mafia, die. If the game ends with one of them alive, you lose.

You are a persona user! A selection of 3 random personas will be available each night. Each persona provides a different power. You are free to use one of them.

You also have a 1-shop bulletproof and a 1-shot vigilante! If you use one, you lose the other. You cannot use this power at the same time as a persona.

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You were randomly chosen among the town roles to become the third party assassin.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Told ya epi is scum, if Drago had co-opd with me I would have achieved my wincon (it's not a kill-all wincon).


My D1 reads on Epi were flawless ya can say what ya want, I never was correctly read as partner of someone.

Tho I liked JJJ this game, he showed me some new ways of analysing players and posts. Really loved to see it, even if some stuff about me was incorrect, I loved his enthusiasm in this game. Looking back from EoG on, he really had townspirit I have never seen before.

[mention]Dragomir[/mention] was correctly scumhunting, really WP for this man. Sadly I wasn't as hostile as to define me as scum.

I think my role was pretty hard to play, only successful if I had constantly involved myself in towncore and found both mafia, which I mostly aimed for.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] thanks for the game, really well hosted, liked my role all in all and every player here in was great! good job!

I was betting most on my D1 reads and in future I will be more confident with those.

And yes I will always be protown. My playstyle was always protown in this game.

@sprityo you will know what to do after my flip.

All your tony/LC analysis on me were bullshit. Sry guys.
Byebye

@Mac you are the man of this game...get your shit together. You and epi get this Drago/JJJ shit solved.

@jackofhearts revenge me. Drago/JJJ are the targets.

@nutella please Drago/JJJ after my flip.

Ok JJJ and Drago are not on the same wagon anymore. One of em is the mafia. @Epignosis I trust you to find the wolf between Drago and JJJ! Please! Trust my scents.

Or scum let it be an autorunner.

How long does DP last? There is scum on my wagon.

Any time for me to go to bed, Civillian Rej says, g'bye and g'morning



If I flip Civ, make sure to go after Dragomir. (Indie/Mafia)
Also check on the Epi, nutella and Mac triangle.

Adios

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:10 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:39 pm yes drago changed in his playstyle, this is indiscussable, is there mafia abilities that forces someone to lead a mislynch for them? out of curiosity.

else based on my day 1 suspicion on Epignosis I feel free to enter the epignosis wagon whenever I please, I can always come back to it plus add my D2 thoughts and feels to it.

I would have no problems to vote Dragomir, as he could also provide info to the civillians, I am so torn and for me personally it is hard to find a new option.

[VOTE: novote] aubergine

My playstyle at its backbone is still the same that you are familiar with from OJ/TB. It's just got a different "mood" to it.

Ah yeah I am familiar with your mislynch playstyle. LoL!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:59 pm @Rej what is your perspective of Dragomir as of this very moment?

I took my vote off Epignosis, so Drago can form the wagon on me with more ease and I become an easier lynch.
Dragomir is not trustworthy, can be Indie, can be everything.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:27 pm I think Nutella is maybe the answer?

why nutella?
[mention]nutella[/mention]

yes drago changed in his playstyle, this is indiscussable, is there mafia abilities that forces someone to lead a mislynch for them? out of curiosity.

else based on my day 1 suspicion on Epignosis I feel free to enter the epignosis wagon whenever I please, I can always come back to it plus add my D2 thoughts and feels to it.

I would have no problems to vote Dragomir, as he could also provide info to the civillians, I am so torn and for me personally it is hard to find a new option.

[VOTE: novote] aubergine

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:51 pm Can't see the image.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:46 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:30 pm I'm not voting for Epi no more. There's a scum on that wagon.

Based on what?

How many mafia do you think there are left btw?

I think Drago rly might be scum here lol. Maybe he might even be the indie. His behaviour is odd. He is idealess and he lacks some effort imho. What you think?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:15 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:08 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:30 pm I'm not voting for Epi no more. There's a scum on that wagon.

How do you determine it? Time for your tinfoil dragoboi.

Simple. You're the scum on the wagon.

Yes? More please!

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:30 pm I'm not voting for Epi no more. There's a scum on that wagon.

How do you determine it? Time for your tinfoil dragoboi.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:12 pm @Rej why have all your arguments been tinfoil and wifom?

else I would be repeating others and this would be nothing new, so with that I try to add something new for the townfolk

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:12 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:54 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:36 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:19 pm Afk, watching Jojos

You will be surprised...I exactly watched that episode LMAOOOOO

I’m just glad you’re actually watching JJBA because it’s so over the top ridiculous and it’s great

Drago pushed me to watch it lol, glad I found time to watch it =D

not much happened huh, I just feel that Epignosis might be a safe lynch here this DP

if anyone reads epi as civillian, please let me know, I still need to learn how and why

if JJ assumption is right that mafia might have used kill + ability then JJJ is defending the possibility of a 2v9.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] Okay my newest theory: If you are scum, then you are third paty, which justifies the civ read on you.


So did scum epi waste a shot on Long Con? I feel scum could shoot Dragomir at best, with high profitting out of it.
But maybe Dragomir has deflected the attack via transport or redirect and thus Long Con got sacrificed.

If Dragomir received a notification EoN, then it justifies his sudden turn against me in order to find out if I am behind that night actions.

And again I am civ reading Drago and JJ and I stick to the defensive PR tinfoil.

Also I feel like nutella tries to tell us something, which screams town to me. But who knows.


Oh yeah and...Mac might be scum too, but I don't feel like he would bus D1, he could profit from the LC kill, because he possibly could turn reads on him by starting to be proactive. I feel like Mac being the kind of person you suspect and then he struggles out of suspicion and then he turns out to be town. Stuggle might be overtoned tho. What would be meta indicators for scum Mac?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:36 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:19 pm Afk, watching Jojos

You will be surprised...I exactly watched that episode LMAOOOOO

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:55 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:10 am So this said, the kill can be done by the mafia PR. And the post restrict might come from a third party or even a second mafia in the worst case scenario. Nothing is hinting towards a second mafia tho.

It is typical here for mafia members with abilities to be able to kill and use abilities. If there's a mafia curser, they can still be the only one alive.

In the sockville this wasn't possible, and in vanilla mafia I heard never about using kill + ability lol.

and yes a 2v2v7 has the least possibility, but it still is out there

also at this point we have 4 agendas within the DP:

the agenda of towns PR
the agenda of mafia PR
the agenda of the third party PR
the agenda of vanilla town

I will sadly go sleep now, but we gotta defiddle this chaos. And it's not that hard.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:47 am Rej, makes Dragomir your choice vote among all of the "towncore" players who could be associated with the LC kill given your theory?

I don't wanna vote Dragomir anymore, I have a ballsy idea, but I don't want to give mafia the basis to find out town's PR.
Anyway I have got another thing for you guys:
[mention]nutella[/mention] was possibly hit by a post restrict. So if a kill happened at night then we can start to question the origin of this possible vote restriction. Which could mean we are in 3v8 or 1v2v8 (now 2v7 or 1v1v7). 3 given PRs could be the strongest hint to this being a three sided game. I exclude the possibility of 2 town PRs fighting 1 mafia PR or vice versa. Someone can correct me if this would be fair.

So this said, the kill can be done by the mafia PR. And the post restrict might come from a third party or even a second mafia in the worst case scenario. Nothing is hinting towards a second mafia tho.

if nutella was striked by a third party attack, then she can still be town/mafia, considering she is towncore for solidifying the lynch on TSP.

Also I expanded the theory, depending on towns PR, the Long Con shooter can be a sideliner.
Also in a multiball, noone would have a reason to shoot Long Con because for balancement reasons a faction should not be additional informed about the setup structure.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:24 am

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:21 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:01 am

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:55 pm If you consider this an excuse from my side, then the only way of me being the shooter would be one of the other 2 PRs possessing motion control/manipulative abilities (bus driver, redirector). I feel kinda nah about it.

Someone would have had to redirect your shot to Long Con, you mean?

As said it is just clever to shoot towncore if you ain't part of it. I don't consider myself as towncore, and Long Con ain't too.
So yes I would have shot someone else and someone would have redirected my shot. Or my original target was transported/busdriven.
So no, that is not how killer Rej works. Killer Rej takes out and confronts the danger, no matter who's behind the danger.

This is the absurdest shit I have ever heard, me shooting a sideliner as wolf.

So you did shoot someone, then?

No I am not scum bro

Now wait.
This scenario is possible:
Town's PR is a protective/manipulative role.
He protected a towncore by switching them with a sideliner.
Wolf shooter shot the protected towncore and the sideliner died.
This scenario justifies the shooter not to be towncore.

I see in both scenarios the wolf CAN create a confusion within towncore.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:01 am

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:55 pm If you consider this an excuse from my side, then the only way of me being the shooter would be one of the other 2 PRs possessing motion control/manipulative abilities (bus driver, redirector). I feel kinda nah about it.

Someone would have had to redirect your shot to Long Con, you mean?

As said it is just clever to shoot towncore if you ain't part of it. I don't consider myself as towncore, and Long Con ain't too.
So yes I would have shot someone else and someone would have redirected my shot. Or my original target was transported/busdriven.
So no, that is not how killer Rej works. Killer Rej takes out and confronts the danger, no matter who's behind the danger.

This is the absurdest shit I have ever heard, me shooting a sideliner as wolf.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:34 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:08 pm Lmao

Guys the big question is: Why isn't someone from towncore killed by scum?
The answer is simple: The scum is inside towncore and feels like they can manipulate towncore.

Why is this even necessary for someone in the "towncore"? If we're concerned with what's "optimal", then it's never "shoot Long Con" for anyone in this game. But they shot him anyway.

So why did you shoot him?

I would have been clever and went against some more central person to weaken town.
The only reason why I should kill Long Con would be, if I had a plan to carry wolves with that kill. And tbh I don't have a plan.

If you consider this an excuse from my side, then the only way of me being the shooter would be one of the other 2 PRs possessing motion control/manipulative abilities (bus driver, redirector). I feel kinda nah about it.

Afk, watching Jojos

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:56 pm Rej knows damn well that I am town. Scum reading me this game does not add up with a town Rej.

No I don't know when I feel you go into a different or miscalculated direction.
Then yeah how about the idea of the wolf being in towncore? And you are part of the towncore.
So who could be the wolf? Between JJJ, Tony, Nutella, Mac for example.

Or who is supposed to be "towncore". I feel my and Creature activity is not enough to be considered towncore. Epignosis is to shady and way on his own to be counted as towncore.

I feel Creature is not rly profitting from the Long Con kill because of several reasons. It is way easier to kill towncore from his position and then throw shades at other towncore to generate a mislynch. Atleast it is what I would do if I were a wolf.

Outside of the towncore/wolf idea I feel that Epignosis is also not clear. So I get back to the standpoint I had earlier, of me trusting literally noone right now. And Creature can prove himself with no conditions if he is town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:24 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:52 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:12 pm I've witnessed mafia do stupid shit so many times that it fails to surprise me anymore.

Like what Rej is trying to pull off against me?

I think his line of thinking is reasonable. I'm gonna need you to take it seriously please.

Who's Rej?

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

you still have your vote on sprityo lol

wtf Drago

is bussing popular on this forum? I see people talk about bussing in every game

Lmao

Guys the big question is: Why isn't someone from towncore killed by scum?
The answer is simple: The scum is inside towncore and feels like they can manipulate towncore.


[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

[mention]Dragomir[/mention] come at me! You a PR that bussed his goon!

Poor Long Con, why mafia killed him off when they could order a mislynch on him if they played well.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

Are you always acting like this when people throw shades on you? In the last vanilla oriented game I played I suspected towns jailor as vanilla the whole game.
We won it together when he suspected me and jailed me while no kill happened. We just got our balls together.

I see nothing wrong with suspecting a person that is highly confident they are town. You overact alot if its about suspicion on you.

lol [mention]Dragomir[/mention] repeatedly asking same questions to fish for others opinions.
oh boi it's EoC and ya still talk like BoC.
bring the case, then ask people!

a new tinfoil before I go sleep:

tinfoil consists of 2 parts:

part 1:
D1 Town was giving out town reads like fuck and this is what the wolves tried to build on.

part 2:
D1 Mafia PR bussed D1 Mafia goon/vanilla in order to receive town creds.

both parts are x/z combineable and could paint JJJ/Drago or anyone else who received town creds or good townreads as scum


I will go sleep now, I am currently renovating my living and sleep room that's why I was busy and still will be tomorrow, but I read everything.

JJJ made some nice analysis' which I loved to read

I still dont have a clue who could be Tony's partner, possibly it could be everybody. Take care so the wolf doesn't create confusion!

Nightey guys.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:04 pm @nutella
@MacDougall
@Dragomir
@Rej

Who was wolfin with Tony and why is the answer JaggedJimmyJay?

I am with you, especially because it is easy to give townreads out to you and Dragomir for establishing the wagon on Tony. And suddenly his strongest townreads are you and Drago. LMAO.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:32 am I am not going to defend myself at all against the token accusations sure to flood in.

You tried to lynch Rej!

You moved your vote to Tony for credit when it was late!

Like, that’s ordinary shit. People will suspect it. That’s what civilians do, whatever. This is all you get:

Ask yourself if that’s how you handle business as a teammate Tony is the most likely lynch in a tiny game of 11.

If you think I did that, then lol okay. Sure. I hope you’ll (the general you) use this night phase for greater investigative effort and depth than just that.

I’m going to find Tony’s team. Fuck the rest.

You did so much nonsense last DP. but I respect you for all the effort.

We can still talk during night? Damn.

TSP was eaten. They was JJJ desperately tried to strenghten my wagon makes me think JJJ is the next one.

Also epi gave me vibes of him giving up to form any other wagon.

I am busy at the mobile tho.

Has anyone an overview of the votes moved?

@epignosis what do you think about JJJ?

Mafia probably has a PR left. A theory:
We already had a wagon on the PR and TSP tried to move the vote away from the PR.

Just some thoughts I would like to mention.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:35 pm Twenty minutes remaining.

fuck

anyway I rly dont like JJJ
he is comfortable now with no votes on him and he tries to strenghten the wagon on me, while TSP is on the hot seat.
I don't like this scenario whatsoever from JJJs standpoint.
JJJ rly could turn out to be a wolf who just wanted to make himself comfortable with every possibility out there.

I will go sleep now, so I will move my vote to TSP then. I will keep my eyes on Epi and JJJ. Rest will resolve on its own.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:35 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:30 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:14 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:43 pm I will point out that nutella and JJJ have had nothing to say about me.

Just like the NFL.

Two problems:

1) As of my last post in this thread, you had made one (1) post -- to cast suspicion upon the Miami Dolphins. What exactly is someone supposed to say about you?

2) The number of times each player had mentioned or responded to Epignosis as of my last post:

Creature - 0
Dragomir - 0
Jackofhearts2005 - 0
JaggedJimmyJay - 2 (one in my silly ISO)
Long Con - 0
MacDougall - 1
nutella - 0
Rej - 0
sprityo - 0
TonyStarkPrime - 0

So, that's clearly not a real thought. You're bad.

Funny Jay couldn't find a way to spin my Dolphins comment into a suspicion or vouch?

You're avoiding me. Like Cam Newton avoids questions.

This doesn’t track. Why would JJJ avoid you as scum? Why wouldn’t he as town?

connected with my previous post, you can also see this post of him taking from a perspective where he sees JJJ as town
it fits in the suspicious pattern if you look deeper into it

so what I'm hearing is if you look deeper into it as in you avoid the sentence that directly contradicts your theory right before the sentence that's in pink it fits the pattern

because I differencise between the main question and the followup question. The followup questions often hold secrets.

sry for my bad english at this point lmao, dunno if it made gramatical sense

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:29 pm @Rej what are your current reads?

Also has Long Con posted yet?

I am still skimming through the ISOs of certain people, to see if I find inconsistencies, mistakes, etc, some detail stuff, that can help the current situation.
Sadly LC did not post yet, but I strongly feel that we still move forward in scumhunting.