The Syndicate

Epi, why are you not voting wilgy if not 112? Your vote on arete doesn't sound like much to vote for them near EoD specially when you are scum reading them based on wilgy.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:24 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:19 pm It's the main reason that, despite my own thoughts, I am not voting 112.
why would you trust my read over your own?
A) I'm not reading (much),

2) I think you know 112 better than I do, and

d) I think mafia is comfortable with a 112 lynch. Therefore I am not. I want shit shaken up.

(Whoever gets the holiday film reference gets a prize)

If in the end epi/112 flips scum together I would be going crazy.

Ah damn I'm just gonna go back to sleep, lynch whoever you want or make it a no lynch or just let the house fly or lynch the host instead I don't think we'll end up with a 112 lynch today. I'll be back minutes before EoD to see what happens. Or I'll be sleeping and checking it out later.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:19 pm It's the main reason that, despite my own thoughts, I am not voting 112.

Who are you voting then?

I would never understand how 112 survives and wins the game at last despite being so scummy.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:12 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:38 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:32 pm like, I have trouble seeing how a reasonable native speaker of English* would interpret my sentence like that

and it kinda feels like you picked out a random line from my post and completely ignored my actual argument so that you could vote me and have a reason other than OMGUS

because the reason you're presenting does not make sense

*I don't know if you're a native English speaker, if you're not then I'm sorry and I'm not trying to insult you
Native English speaker?

I'll do you one better.

I'm an English teacher.
So so so how to improve grammar, sir?
Pick a different language. For real.

ঠিক আছে। আপনি বুঝতে পারবেন তো?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:07 pm i don’t have to soft as mafia lmao

i would just make you all deal with it next day. it’s strictly better for me as mafia to make you waste an elimination on me next day and i don’t need to give you advance notice of that if im mafia when none of you were planning to vote me this day anyway

I think the same tbh

Let's say, if, hypothetically, Hally is mafia I think she would be bluffing about it and Idk try to shift the focus of the game in case their scummate is also in danger.

If Hally is Bpv, they are most likely a scum. I don't see 2hy a town would have Bpv in a setup like this with only 3 PRs.

Oh no no, tsp died due to LC poison and they did not knew about it cominh? idk tbh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:03 pm I mean if she’s town I don’t really see a reason it’s a good idea to soft like that?

If she’s mafia she sort of has to so

If we are talking about mafia pr who can heal poisons then isn't that a bit weird, I mean think about it they didn't save tsp.

Cause tbh, I don't believe there's be two docs, Hally clearly suggesting and dropping tidbits but I have doubts in that.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:55 pm The tldr is that there’s only three roles in the game, there’s two green role flips, I have doubt there’s a third town role rather than the third role being scum, and Hally has STRONGLY hinted that they could potentially save themselves

Tbh, I don't think anyone supports a Hally lynch or it would happen at all. Even if she survives I think we can always lynch her tomorrow.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:54 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:53 pm Why is nook voting Hally?
I’ve explained it fairly clearly I think shouldn’t be hard to find

Reading reading

Why is nook voting Hally?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:46 pm i don’t think its reasonable to say aretes post is “a lot of words that say nothing.” it’s not. it may be a bit of a convoluted thought process but the process is clearly there and they do actually reach a conclusion. it’s a bit lazy to just dismiss the whole post as saying nothing

like idk, ime that sort if post is villagery. villagers often post stuff that’s like... messy like that because organic thoughts are sometimes messy. but i think it’s the kind of post a wolf doesn’t really fake usually

If you talk about 112, her conclusions were casted before, mostly with no explanation or some when asked. And they basically called the whole player's list scum. Very towny indeed.

Arete wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:02 pm still wondering if anyone not named Hally can confirm that Poison is lock V from meta

Arete seriously try to read me out of the meta I'm pretty sure you can come to conclusions without the meta.

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:42 pm Like even if you think Arete is a wolf protecting her partner Wilgy, the correct thing to do in that circumstance is flip Wilgy.

I mean if epi is scum reading arete only based on that line wilgy - arete is probably w/w to them or I'm missing something.

Are we tying to make it a no lynch?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:38 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:32 pm like, I have trouble seeing how a reasonable native speaker of English* would interpret my sentence like that

and it kinda feels like you picked out a random line from my post and completely ignored my actual argument so that you could vote me and have a reason other than OMGUS

because the reason you're presenting does not make sense

*I don't know if you're a native English speaker, if you're not then I'm sorry and I'm not trying to insult you
Native English speaker?

I'll do you one better.

I'm an English teacher.

So so so how to improve grammar, sir?

Good morning!

What is happening!? Although I'm too tired to stay awake would wake up early tomorrow am hour before EOd

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:00 am I kind of hate the no-claiming rule.

On one hand I feel like any townie who could prevent their own death should do so. I also feel like a townie who demonstrated their ability to survive in certain circumstances would be all but mech-cleared In my eyes.

On the other hand clearing yourself in that way would seem to me to clearly go against the spirit of the rules.

On the other, other hand, if the situation is indeed as it has been hypothesised, it seems difficult and unfair to prevent players from discussing it.

So in conclusion, I just wish the no-claim rule wasn’t a thing and we could deal with this set of circumstances sensibly.

kinda yeah, i don't like no claims either.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:02 am epi
poison
nook
arete

these are the players besides me who voted lc and who could possibly become infected. i would like everyone to pick the name from here that you are most confident is town (other than yourself)

nanook

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:55 am double post my b.

why are you voting yourself?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:42 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:40 am
Arete wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:33 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:33 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:24 am
112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:20 pm I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.
see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:33 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:24 am
112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:20 pm I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.
see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
There isn't at the same time there is.
if a town is about to get yeeted they would try to survive while trying to find or lynch a scum.
In this scenerio, if we lynch 'anyone" which the scum would want us to do cause that mught win them the game, it wouldn't matter for them as long as they don't get yeeted instead.
When I'm a civilian, I don't care who dies as long as it isn't me.

would you care if you town wins or loses this game with just anyone dying who is not you?

Arete wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:33 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:33 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:24 am
112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:20 pm I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.
see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:33 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:24 am
112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:20 pm I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.
see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

There isn't at the same time there is.
if a town is about to get yeeted they would try to survive while trying to find or lynch a scum.
In this scenerio, if we lynch 'anyone" which the scum would want us to do cause that mught win them the game, it wouldn't matter for them as long as they don't get yeeted instead.

Arete wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:17 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:15 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:48 am
Arete wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:46 pm just going to ... go through each of my clears, I guess, and talk about why I'm clearing them/whether I think those reasons are still Good And Valid

posting this one at a time in case wolves randomly decide to kill me, for some reason? but this way I'll at least be able to get some thoughts out before EoN

Ash

why I am clearing Ash: Ash was one of the most driving forces behind the TSP wagon and was basically hardpushing him from the start of the game, TSP also seemed legitimately bothered by his push on him in a way that scum aren't usually bothered by their teammates' pushes on him and spent a fair amount of time trying to discredit it. Without Ash TSP ?probably? wouldn't have even been a major wagon on D1.

do I think this is still valid: yes, I do. while obviously bussing is a known phenomenon that exists, I doubt that Ash (who as I understand it is relatively less experienced)? would immediately hard-bus a more experienced partner. additionally, TSP's spew is a good look for him -- TSP spends the most time trying to discredit TSP's scumread on him out of any of the people that had been pushing him.
112

why I am clearing 112: I thought the thing where she came into the thread and immediately started calling the most consensus villagers wolves was a good look, I didn't think a wolf was likely to do that. Also, I thought the ways in which Tony hedged on her were most likely to indicate a wolf partner TMIing her V, rather than a W/W interaction.

do I think this is still valid: ...probably not, like, these are reasons that exist but I'm not sure they're strong enough to have 112 as lock V on D4 still

idk GTH 112 is still a villager but I'm less confident in that
Nanook

why I am clearing Nanook: he "feels" like a villager, like, when I read his posts I'm like 'these feel like posts that were written by a villager and not posts that were written by a wolf.' His defense of TSP in itself is kind of WifoM but I think some aspects of how he handled it point to him being a wrong villager over him being a wolf - e.g. him clearing me for clearing TSP right after EoD1 doesn't really seem like a thing written about a partner trying to powerwolf. I ... don't really know how to explain it?

also some of his approach on D1 doesn't really feel like how a wolf would approach things, when Vul and I were dancing around each other I think a wolf with TMI that Vul and I were V/V would feel more pressure to maintain initial consistency with his early townread on me.

do I think this is still valid: ...yes but I can't really justify it? like, I would be really surprised if Nanook is a wolf here, but those don't feel like reasons that should still be valid on D4?
Poison

why I am clearing Poison: people keep saying she's lock V on meta

do I think this is still valid: uhhhhh I'm pretty sure the person who's been saying that the most is Hally who I now think has a good chance of flipping scum given how they've handled today. would be interested in hearing if other people who have familiarity with Poison's meta also think Poison is lock V.

so, I have done nothing more than my meta? I would say if you are reading me town only because of my meta, then you might as well null read me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:29 pm So this game is very easy

112 - Weird Dichotomy with Hally.

Arete - On a team with Hally, not 112.

Ash Lael - Will blindly trust.

DrWilgy - Clearly scum

Epignosis - Could be scum.

Hally - My smooth brain doesn't understand mechanics, scum and will still yeet unless someone says that's a bad idea because of mechanics.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - I have no clue why I don't scum read them.

Poison Chan - Will blindly trust. IDGAF fight me. Poison can do nothing wrong in my eyes.

By that merit, you have these classifications

Will just lose if they are scum:
Nook, Ash, Poison

Want to sort Hally/112 before:
Epi, Arete

Why are they still alive:
Hally, 112

lmao wdym I can do nothing wrong in your eyes, doc? are you pocketing me?

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:20 pm I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.

see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:19 pm Lies.

Everything I've done has made perfect sense.

I loved Tony like a brother, but I could never have supported what he did.

I'm casting around suspicion in a manner that implies I'm town, not scum, clearly.

The process of elimination bids us to hang Wilgy, not me.

I'm town, guysssssss. Seriously.

cyan : That's what you did for town cred. there has not been any scum-hunting approach in your play, regardless of playstyle every town tries to scum hunt.

I'm just gonna go to bed actually

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:56 pm I'm gonna throw a tantrum.

Instead you could /can be just towny enough to show it to me....

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:38 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:36 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:32 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:22 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:20 pm At the very least, Poison needs to think outside of the box before I'm yeeted to avoid being completely uninformed as to who the last scum actually are. It's one thing to want to yeet someone badly, but it's another thing entirely to eschew looking for alternative realities in the case that that read is wrong.
The thing is 112, I have been looking at others and never pushed you hard early in the game, and because I looked at all the other possibilities i ended up voting towns.
You haven't looked at all the other possibilities, though. There's like 8 or 9 players left in the game and presumably 2 wolves.
Yes of course but they had their towniness from my Pov while I failed to get one from yours so far in the game.

Hally is town in my opinion.
Ash is spewed town also did a lot of towny thing.
I don't know about epi or how to read them.
Nook is towny and kinda same as the other town games I played with him.
Hmm arete idk.
And wilgy idk.

So I have 3 idks. Arete, wilgy and Epignosis. While I scum read you instead of just an idk.
You don't know how to read me either, though. We've never played together before.

Yes we didn't. But I think it's simply not a playstyle which makes me scum read you.

Actually brb

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:32 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:22 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:20 pm At the very least, Poison needs to think outside of the box before I'm yeeted to avoid being completely uninformed as to who the last scum actually are. It's one thing to want to yeet someone badly, but it's another thing entirely to eschew looking for alternative realities in the case that that read is wrong.
The thing is 112, I have been looking at others and never pushed you hard early in the game, and because I looked at all the other possibilities i ended up voting towns.
You haven't looked at all the other possibilities, though. There's like 8 or 9 players left in the game and presumably 2 wolves.

Yes of course but they had their towniness from my Pov while I failed to get one from yours so far in the game.

Hally is town in my opinion.
Ash is spewed town also did a lot of towny thing.
I don't know about epi or how to read them.
Nook is towny and kinda same as the other town games I played with him.
Hmm arete idk.
And wilgy idk.

So I have 3 idks. Arete, wilgy and Epignosis. While I scum read you instead of just an idk.

I'll explain it in details why I'm hard scum reading you 112, after dinner.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:28 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:23 pm I read all of Poison's Day 1 posts regarding Tony and I don't see how Poison arrived at the conclusion that Tony was the best choice for a vote.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:40 am ohh tony is actually leading with votes. I like it tbh, they have been weird.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:42 am
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:47 pm Tony/Michelle/X. Easy game.
nice. kinda mindmeld, although you aren't my town read but kek.
That's the closest I saw to anything about Tony.
I'm pretty sure you haven't read all of my interactions with tiny or my read on them. If you are ctrl + f tony, I'll suggest you do it with TSP.
Yep, you're right. There's a substantial post.

Have you made any similar posts about anybody else so far? If so, can you post a link?

Yes I think 112, mich, and uh idk vul I'm not sure though. Can you please ctrl + f on my iso. I'm going for dinner also, not on PC.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:23 pm I read all of Poison's Day 1 posts regarding Tony and I don't see how Poison arrived at the conclusion that Tony was the best choice for a vote.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:40 am ohh tony is actually leading with votes. I like it tbh, they have been weird.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:42 am
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:47 pm Tony/Michelle/X. Easy game.
nice. kinda mindmeld, although you aren't my town read but kek.
That's the closest I saw to anything about Tony.

I'm pretty sure you haven't read all of my interactions with tiny or my read on them. If you are ctrl + f tony, I'll suggest you do it with TSP.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:21 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:20 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:13 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:09 pm 112, what's your take on Poison?
probably town but have been getting lees of bad vibrations

i don't understand why she's pushing me so hard when her case on me wasn't even that solid (imo)

trying to work out if she's just in a tunnel or if she's actively pursuing my mischop; i lean town here because i think she'd be a bit more subtle about it if she was scum

still, she's one of the most frustrating players in the game for me right now with how she's approaching my slot

random add-on: I don't like her 'hmm's and ellipses. i'm prejudiced against those.

at any stretch, she's not as cleared as a lot of people are treating her
I'm sorry, my case against you is not solid? If you go by your own iso and a few reasons you have while reading other people scum, you wrote down the traits you posses yourself. All things aside, tell me what is towny about you and only towny which cannot be faked by a scum?
Nothing I've done can't be faked by scum. That doesn't make me a wolf.

Of course not, that doesn't make you a town for that very reason.

As to why you are mafia, well I have a wall on it.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:20 pm At the very least, Poison needs to think outside of the box before I'm yeeted to avoid being completely uninformed as to who the last scum actually are. It's one thing to want to yeet someone badly, but it's another thing entirely to eschew looking for alternative realities in the case that that read is wrong.

The thing is 112, I have been looking at others and never pushed you hard early in the game, and because I looked at all the other possibilities i ended up voting towns.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:18 pm I don't see why I'm "clearly" scum either. That seems disingenuous.

Because whatever you did so far in the game is scummy to me.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:13 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:09 pm 112, what's your take on Poison?
probably town but have been getting lees of bad vibrations

i don't understand why she's pushing me so hard when her case on me wasn't even that solid (imo)

trying to work out if she's just in a tunnel or if she's actively pursuing my mischop; i lean town here because i think she'd be a bit more subtle about it if she was scum

still, she's one of the most frustrating players in the game for me right now with how she's approaching my slot

random add-on: I don't like her 'hmm's and ellipses. i'm prejudiced against those.

at any stretch, she's not as cleared as a lot of people are treating her

I'm sorry, my case against you is not solid? If you go by your own iso and a few reasons you have while reading other people scum, you wrote down the traits you posses yourself. All things aside, tell me what is towny about you and only towny which cannot be faked by a scum?

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:57 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:52 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:51 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:49 am Tbh, I think if we don't lynch today, scum would have more control in the game don't you think so? They can kill people of their liking first and handle it their way in the end.
There's only one scenario to refrain from voting someone out, and this isn't that scenario.
Sorry I don't understand. Can you explain?
Perhaps I misread what you were saying. All I meant was that there is generally only one reason to vote "no lynch," and that's if there are four people remaining.

What's your take on who should die today?

112.clearly they are scum.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:51 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:49 am Tbh, I think if we don't lynch today, scum would have more control in the game don't you think so? They can kill people of their liking first and handle it their way in the end.
There's only one scenario to refrain from voting someone out, and this isn't that scenario.

Sorry I don't understand. Can you explain?

Tbh, I think if we don't lynch today, scum would have more control in the game don't you think so? They can kill people of their liking first and handle it their way in the end.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:06 am Like if I have to bet the game on one flip, I’d like to have as many flips prior as possible, you know?

Are we doing a no lynch?

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:53 pm
KIEV OR BUST

Sunday, May 31st, 2020
5:02 a.m. EESK

They crossed the border as the sun was rising. Weary but focused, the snuck into the small farming community of Veterynarne. There weren't many vehicles to choose from, but they also didn't need many in order to make the journey to Kiev.

"Alright, there's eleven of us," Chelsea said, so we need to find three decent sized cars to spread us around."

"Why not a truck?" Sidney asked.

"I think truck will be more conspicuous. Plus it will probably require more fill-ups along the way."

"Good thinking," Sidney said. "But I think we'll have to steal at least one other set of cars along the way unless we find a kind soul to fill up the tanks for us."

"Over here," Chelsea pointed. "There are a few cars by this building." She looked back at the rest of the travelers, but something was wrong.

"Sidney," she said. "Where's Polina?"

"Well damn," he said. "I haven't done a head count since you snuffed out Oleg. Is she lagging behind in the fields?"

The strained their eyes to the horizon for any sign of Polina making her way toward them. The rising sun was unforgiving in its assault.

"We don't have time," Chelsea said. "We need to go."

"Right," Sidney agreed. "At least now we can all squeeze into two cars."

In their hearts, they hoped that Polina was just tired, trailing behind them, and would somehow find a way to freedom on her own. In their minds, she was dead somewhere back along their route.

Their minds were right.

The hotwired two cars and set off on yet another leg of their journey. They had escaped from Russia, but they weren't out of trouble yet.

------------------------------

tedxtr is dead.

He was Polina Kolchenko, an escaped political prisoner and vanilla civvie.

It is now Day 4.

You have 48 hours to eliminate someone.

So you were town ted... Hm... Should I start trusting you from next game [mention]tedxtr[/mention] ?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:17 pm [VOTE: Ash Lael] aubergine

Why are you voting ash?

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