The Syndicate

agree with kami

BK definitely did well this game yeah.

I find myself increasingly grumpy in postgame chats lately so I don't know if I've been grumpier or if the games have just been shit. Maybe I'll just refrain from commenting in postgames in the future and just vent in private.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:28 am i don’t think it’s fair to blame wilgy entirely for the loss alison

he subbed into a zero posting slot, was PoE’d by everyone and put in a lot of effort to post himself clear (and arguably played the hardest of anyone down the stretch)

i get you were busy and that’s not in your control but respectfully, in F3 you didn’t case BK at all and just said “sheep dead town” so i don’t think it’s really fair to blame wilgy so much when you gave him practically nothing to work with the last day

he should have listened to dead town, yes, but it’s also on you as the other villager to try to help him see why BK is the wolf and you didn’t really (which again is not really your fault because you were busy but it is an extremely difficult position to put him in and you should recognize that)

very well played on reevaluating and getting the correct solve though

My problem isn't that he made the wrong call. Wrong calls are made in F3 all the time, I'm not going to go around flaming everyone who votes a townie there. My problem is that he made the wrong call and his first reaction was to be like "well you should have done XYZ" instead of "well I should have voted the mafia". I really don't like it when people do that, when their kneejerk reaction is to shift the blame.

I dunno, maybe I'm just grumpy because of IRL shit. But it didn't feel great voting the right person, giving the right reasons for voting that person, and then being told in endgame that I should have done more.

Yeah we both lost. But don't try to push the blame on me for that loss by saying I didn't "work with" you. I don't like it when I make the right decisions and someone who made the wrong ones try to blame everyone but themselves. Just say "yeah I guess I made a bad call, my bad, gg". When I no voted and griefed that vote I immediately apologized and admitted my mistake. I didn't make up an excuse about how it was someone else's fault.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:20 am Yup and look how that worked.

I voted right, you voted wrong. The loss is on you, not me. Don't try to push blame on the people who caught scum.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:14 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:55 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:37 am @Alison I think it probably just is LC

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:07 pm Lime Coke is a wolf

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:00 am Esooa has been killed. She was Thomas Munley, one of the Molly Maguires.
Gee, I wonder why Esooa was killed when Ender was hard tunnelling her.
Man, imagine if you posted this and decided to work with me rather than just put all the weight of the game on me there.

I told you straight to your face that dead town wanted LC dead. I gave you the answer who the mafia was and you refused to listen. Don't put that on me or pretend like you had no choice but to refuse to listen to me because I wasn't "cooperative" enough when I literally had the solve and the reason and you turned away for it for no reason at all.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:03 am I'm glad that I won the game I at the least unpolarized myself and actually tried to better my scum game.

I did start panicking near the end, especially after the accidental no kill on Day 3, the longer the game went the more I wanted it to end so I was starting to freeze up.

Good work Luckbox, I'm sorry if I was harsh on you being inactive during the game in the discord, but you did an amazing job spewing people as possibly partnered and me not with you.

Thanks for the compliments.

GGs.

Nah you did good. Don't feel bad about your endgame play or whatever. Everyone townread you early when usually you get caught D1.

Yeah when you play games based on how good you feel instead of what makes you win then you won't win. That's the long and short of it.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:56 pm Amazing LC

I didn't really follow after I died (or really before I died honestly)-- but you must have played great.

He did. Miles better than his usual scum performance; he's really broken out of his "polarized" meta now. Compared to Buckets it was a huge improvement.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:54 pm So that's the game! Inactivity in the later phases killed the town, but both wolves did very well! Luckbox did a good job of spewing so that town wouldn't get any useful information out of his flip, while LC of course brought home the win. For the sake of transparency, here are the host errors I made:

- Accidentally giving EnderWiggin the role that RNG had determined should have gone to Esooa. Since both were vanilla town, this didn't affect the game at all, but I'm mentioning it anyway for the sake of transparency.
- A couple of technical difficulties - namely, not being able to set up the poll immediately D1, and me having to send DrWilgy his Role PM several times before it went through
- Forgetting to remove the Discord link from Luckbox's flip. This was really bad and could have cost the game, but fortunately DrWilgy and anyone else who happened to notice it were good sports and nobody clicked on that link. Still, I responded by editing it out, making the link expire, and making the wolfchat server more secure. In the future, I am definitely going to send Discord links separately from Role PMs, no matter how much more convenient the forum makes it to send them together.

And now for the typical questions - did you enjoy the game, was the hosting fair, and was flavor good?

Game was okay. Hosting was fair. Flavor was very good.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:37 am @Alison I think it probably just is LC

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:07 pm Lime Coke is a wolf

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:00 am Esooa has been killed. She was Thomas Munley, one of the Molly Maguires.

Gee, I wonder why Esooa was killed when Ender was hard tunnelling her.

Grats on the win LC, very well played

Yeah, that's what you get. GG all.

@leetic

Wrap this up please.

I was town. You just lost the game with your vote.

And telling you to look at the legacies of people who've died isn't AtE, it's smart play. Keep that in mind for the future.

I'm just glad LC finally stopped being polarized, it makes games a lot better with him.

If you choose to ignore the reads of all dead town you will deserve to lose. I am immensely busy and don't have any time to play. I am just informing you what the right decision is and it's up to you whether you're smart enough to make it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 5:37 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 3:00 am I'm leaning towards LC
K... Why?

Because I'm good at the game and can tell he is mafier

Also because Esooa said he was

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

I'm leaning towards LC

Wilgy why didn't you snap vote me?

LC why are you still alive?

No snap votes tomorrow please

Theres no poll option so [VOTE: sleep] aubergine

I would probably sleep here

I think Ender just votes me out if he's mafia, getting rid of Wilgy isn't a winning play for him because idk who he intends to get exed in F3.

Esooa getting mad at me for no voting and wanting to policy and just hating the game in general seems extremely townie.

Just gonna let LC take his scum win home with pride if he is mafia.

Which leaves Wilgy.

I'm never voting LC or Esooa atp and am probably just voting Wilgy in F3 if I make it. If y'all wanna policy me it's a loss but I'll take responsibility and it's understandable, I'd do the same and I always get mad at and policy people who troll the vote so I gotta own up when I do the same.

Yeah I griefed it guys. Mea culpa. When I'm wrong I'm wrong. Deepest apologies to everyone, I got caught up in IRL shit and didn't even realize I was playing.

Can you summarize the Esooa case? FMPOV she buried LB and got the Mac seal of approval for most of the game. The only person who scumread her was Kami and Kami TRed LB so I dunno if she can be trusted. I read Esooa by results a lot and a 50% pelt rate isn't too bad for her.

Dont make me play on my birthday cmon.

I don't believe that you believe that I felt so threatened by your push on me that I killed Mac just to WIFOM your theory

Now that Akemi Homura Mafia has ended I can say that I scumread Wilgy's catchup because it seemed like the kind of stuff he did in Akemi Homura, just spam the thread with surface level takes in the hopes of getting volume cleared

So why are you not snapvoting me now that mac has flipped town?

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Why can't me and Mac just be loud townies who people listen to?

Why do those things guarantee a wolf between us two?

I'm back to suspecting Wilgy because all that felt like a crock of shit. Since when do you think in terms of percentages and numbers, and why would you turbo Mac if I flipped town when I've been consistently pro-Mac?

I think it makes sense for wilgy who is feeling like he is being railroaded into an sleepwalked exe to be paranoid that the same is happening to lb

Good answer

Why were you against the LB exe?

That Wilgy townclear only applies tomorrow though. In F3 he should still be considered.

Which makes Wilgy town actually.

It probably makes him town also because I think if his partner is Luckbox he just lies down and dies rather than go super saiyan just to redirect the exe to his partner.

I'm hereby declaring all reads made on Luckbox spew invalid. Too many people seem eager to swallow his spew and Luckbox is not a dumb individual. I bet he saw the writing on the wall and crafted some fake spew.

I am taking lc as hard town, if he's mafia i hope he wins man

I kind of want to just policy wilgy for being the only one anti lb exe

There is a pretty low chance i am voting esooa or mac d3

If ender is maf why doesn't he just let us railroad wilgy? Is he so good at wolfing he can predict that v wilgy would go super saiyan with the catchup and white knight him in advance only to watch in misery as we kill LB?

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:49 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:47 am I havent read anything but the flip but the interactions between me and LB should be pretty clearing and also the motherfucker who told me that Kami hard townread luckbox N1 is a mafia taking advantage of my known tendency to sheep town legacies.
I told you the opposite to not sheep Kami's reads can I get a gold star

Well if you're town you knew her biggest wolfread was wrong and that shes having an offgame so not as much credit

Actually you had some clearing interactions with LB too.

Everyone had except Wilgy though.

Maybe we should just turbo Wilgy D3 to prove there's a busser and then reeval in LyLo

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