The Syndicate

I'm confused as to why Allison is the best option out of the 3

Mr. Burns, Krusty the Clown, Grampa Simpson

Please explain your reasons for voting Ortto

sorry I missed the vote I thought I still had an hour

Okay so what the fuck

do not have time to catch up what the fuck is happ ning

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:00 amI was sort of thinking that it's possible that you and Otto were pretending to squabble over something inconsequential so we get it into our heads that you two aren't teammates without actually having to make serious pushes against each other.

valid i guess. i think we had already squabbled about consequential things prior to that.

my frustration at otto was real. i barely have the energy for the effort i'm putting in. if i were mafia and someone came to me and said "hey let's get in a semi-heated debate about how many words is too many words or whatever" i'd just be like "no thanks, i would rather do something fun or productive with my free time"

What are your reads?

i haven't really had the time to look deeper into anything or anyone since day 3, so i haven't had any new feelings or thoughts that i haven't already said

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:15 amI do that occasionally. Gamestate frustration + booze.
Sorry, maybe.

it's okay lol. i was just frustrated at getting my shit so thoroughly wrecked.

it's been a while since i've interacted with anyone on the interwebs, i forgot that sometimes people are insincere for pranks

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:33 pmGrumple has been towncored without being townread. Nobody seriously suspects him, but nobody explicitly townreads him either.

this means nothing, obviously, but that is a pretty accurate description of me in every game.

It's a lot easier to ignore your wolf teammates who aren't under suspicion than stir up controversy about them. I'm actually wondering if Grumple/Otto/X teams are possible.

if otto were my teammate i would bus him asap after day 3, pragmatic or not. :\

Otto trolled me by pretending to care about post length and formatting; a great and shameful personal failure that i would have never knowingly participated in.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:13 pmI'm currently voting Grumple and I want to drag him into the light to see if he shines or stinks.

hello, if you have any questions for me please feel free to ask,

my presence here today is going to be unimpressive, because of reasons

I personally love reading posts so idk what you guys are about.

I'd been viewing Otto as being an Epignosis expy but that doesn't really seem to be the case

I'm stopping. I'm going to feel bad when this game gets over and it turns out I've been arguing with a 14 year old about their syntax preferences if I don't.

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:33 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:32 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:31 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:27 pm seriously though is this normal for him

Yes.
Especially when I have a red peek

was a question for someone unbiased sir

Are you calling me biased?

Triggered

Oh jesus

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:27 pm Grumple, what's your read on me? What convinces you that I'm scum over Lisa?

Over the course of the game I've disagreed with the logic behind some of your reads and I've felt like they were opportunistic. I.E. when you went after Hugh for making a long post. Also it's just like a vibes thing.

I'm not convinced you're more scum than Lisa.

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:31 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:27 pm seriously though is this normal for him

Yes.
Especially when I have a red peek

was a question for someone unbiased sir

seriously though is this normal for him

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:08 pm What? So a guy who won't curate his posts worries about his font size looking boring like a stuffy MLA? I don't get it.

Bright yellow me baby. Just pee everywhere, Grumple, at least Grampa wears a diaper.

you're either misquoting or misunderstanding. I'm not going to post to follow your weird standards because you're a random person on the internet, and we're playing a game.

I will gladly reformat my posts for fun, or spite however.

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:06 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:03 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:31 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:29 pm @The Grumple what's your take at this moment?
Who is in your Poe?

I posted this a little earlier.

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:24 pm Allison Taylor
The Grumple
Hugh Jass
Marge Simpson
Otto Mann
Principal Skinner

Bart Simpson
Grampa Simpson
Krusty the Clown
Lisa Simpson
Mr. Burns

some of this is flexible. Otto flashes downward whenever he goes after me or anyone else over things that aren't actually related to the game. It's so frequent and consistent and no one else seems bothered by it, so I have to assume that's just a personality trait.

You and Mr. Burns are basically in the bottom part because I haven't seen any particular reason to read you as town yet.

If you put me and Burns in the same tier that means the bottom is not ordered?

yes

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:31 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:29 pm [mention]The Grumple[/mention] what's your take at this moment?
Who is in your Poe?

I posted this a little earlier.

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:24 pm Allison Taylor
The Grumple
Hugh Jass
Marge Simpson
Otto Mann
Principal Skinner

Bart Simpson
Grampa Simpson
Krusty the Clown
Lisa Simpson
Mr. Burns

some of this is flexible. Otto flashes downward whenever he goes after me or anyone else over things that aren't actually related to the game. It's so frequent and consistent and no one else seems bothered by it, so I have to assume that's just a personality trait.

You and Mr. Burns are basically in the bottom part because I haven't seen any particular reason to read you as town yet.

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:13 pmYou and gramps were wonder twins yesterday! What killed the spark?

that was something that you decided on your own. we joked about having a similar name that's the only thing we have in common.

In your most recent colour coded list I'd like to point out two things which I always find scummy -

1) You included yourself, in green, on the list. I hate it when players include themselves in their own town reads.

that sounds like a "you" problem. I copy pasted the list from the front page.

2) That it's colour coded. I hate colour coded lists, just ask Kza.

this is also a you problem. Color coded lists are standard, or at least they have been in the past.

Further to point two, I gave you a hard time for not being succinct and you replied with "sorry I dont curate my posts", but then you take the time to curate a fucking colour coded list.
Puked in my mouth.

[VOTE: Grumple] aubergine

It takes 5 seconds to choose color tags you dork. I put the colors because I wanted to, and again because they're the universally understood standard for read lists.

If you want all your posts to be plain text, size 14 calibri font double spaced, with 1 sentence paragraphs and MLA formatting that is your prerogative, have fun with it.

if you say anything else on thie topic I promise to respond to you in bright yellow text forever
(or until I get bored of it)

oh i should have previewed the color scheme

Allison Taylor
The Grumple
Hugh Jass
Marge Simpson
Otto Mann
Principal Skinner

Bart Simpson
Grampa Simpson
Krusty the Clown
Lisa Simpson
Mr. Burns

what is The Math for PoE at this point?

before today i was ambivalent about marge but this effort looks good to me. i don't see the scenario in which mafia cares about making new cases when the vote is so spread, regardless of whether a teammate is threatened

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:23 pm The silence from Lisa is a bad look. She's had a wagon on her both nights and considering both yeets flipped town, you'd think that if she were town we'd be seeing some sense urgency to solve and take herself off the block with good play.

I get the feeling Grandpa has no desire to solve or take stand, yet will write a bunch of fluff and filler to look busy.

My vote will land on one of them tonight, not sure if I care which one.

that's where i'm at rn as well. of the cluster of people that have votes right now, the only person i think I wouldn't be comfortable voting for is Allison.

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:42 pm You could have very well not known the lingo (which I am inclined to believe you don't, why would you lie about that part, ldo)

but if Lisa were scum and she KNEW you were also scum, then they'd be able to take information in the thread and make it look like it's scummy for you because they know you are a wolf, ergo twist anything and say you are a wolf for it because it's easy to do so with the knowledge that you're a wolf

hope that makes some sense

ah okay. so it's more that she said i could be bad at all, rather than for the reasoning.

i see. that does make more sense. thank you

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:35 pm I assume there will be little to no wagon fluctuation at EoD and the yeet will probably be exactly Lisa

if she does flip wolf and I am wrong about her being a villager, I think she's the most likely to be with Grumple off the post that I had called her townie for

i'd call that post extremely villagery but if Lisa's a wolf, then i'm pretty confident that she can only make that read on Grumple if she has TMI on him being a wolf

talking about this one

Lisa Simpson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:52 pm

Lisa Simpson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:47 pm Is it me or does it feel like Grumple fell down a flight of stairs in the middle of D1

He seems to know what a player salad is but doesn't know what TR means. Just seems odd to me. I don't know why one would fake it though but just putting this down since i noticed alot of his posts D2 are just asking about terminology.

i'm a little confused about this, maybe.

your theory is that i'm just pretending to not know recently invented mafia slang words for some reason, and that Lisa bringing up the concept of faking would be a sign that she and i are teammates, because a teammate would be aware of the ruse taking place?

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:40 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:18 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:56 amGrumple's indignation with the tie break felt underwhelming and I don't really buy into the tie meta argument, think it's also a not the time to be ticked about it since we haven't actually seen Lisa flip yet to draw conclusion from it. It's meh.

Incorrect. The time to be indignant about recklessly ties is always. Tie meta is amazing and anyone who says otherwise is a cop who hates fun.

I was mostly questioning Otto to figure out his motivation for his vote change. From my perspective, as a person who was also voting to maintain the tie to see if anyone would try to pull some shit on it, Otto's vote stuck out as preventing that or being that. That's why it irked me.

Fair I guess. What did you take from it hearing his reasoning and with Homer flipping civ and being the other late voter?

linki -

Well... his answers were logically consistent with the kind of person he seems to be, and makes sense from the perspective he's presented. I am content with his responses.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:30 pm Tied it up nicely. This one is for you Grumpy

<3

[VOTE: Krusty Clown] aubergine as a placeholder for now

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:56 amGrumple's indignation with the tie break felt underwhelming and I don't really buy into the tie meta argument, think it's also a not the time to be ticked about it since we haven't actually seen Lisa flip yet to draw conclusion from it. It's meh.

Incorrect. The time to be indignant about recklessly ties is always. Tie meta is amazing and anyone who says otherwise is a cop who hates fun.

I was mostly questioning Otto to figure out his motivation for his vote change. From my perspective, as a person who was also voting to maintain the tie to see if anyone would try to pull some shit on it, Otto's vote stuck out as preventing that or being that. That's why it irked me.

didn't mean for that to come out harshly i just think it's amusing the obsession some of you guys have with people spending extra time curating every post to be as nice and consumable as possible, when in reality the people who spend the most time doing that are mafia

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:19 am Sorry i had to eat


First GTH will be posted at 9 AM EDT, hope i will have someone join this.
I will set my alarm

this is also way too early for me, but go ahead without me, i can do my own thing later

i made that one succinct just for you though

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:26 am

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:14 am

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:26 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:27 pm @Otto Mann I don't think you should bother with tone reading me. I have no emotions tied to this game whatsoever aside from a loose desire for serotonin. In real life I am, as the teens say, straight up not having a good time right now, for obvious reasons. So that may account for whatever defeated mood you're seeing in my posts.

It wasn't obvious to me because those things you just said weren't addressed in your vote posts, that's why I asked.

I understand leaving to be with family but why break the tie in the first place if you suspected both players and wanted to look out for suspicious vote movements? Why not just leave the tie as it was?

Because as I'd already said, my strongest scum read was on CBG. I'd have enough of him. I'd ask him a question and he'd say shit like "don't worry about it", and "why not" etc. I've got no time or sympathy for townies who sign up for a game and proceed to suck ass.
Milhouse and CBG were playing extremely shitty games and would've had to be sorted by town at some point anyways because there isn't a wolf pack dumb enough to kill off townies that are largely scum read.
The Homer kill is a head scratcher for me.

my post replying to this got eaten while i was playing Video Game

I understand why you voted for CBG, i was more asking why you would break the tie instead of letting it actually play out. Even if you suspected CBG more than Lisa, if one of them is bad then keeping the vote close at end of day forces mafia teammates to choose to protect or sacrifice, which can lead to awkward reasonings and shady justifications which stick out and sweater thread. I thought that was what you were going for with the tie wagon thing, but creating a two vote gap prevented that.

Kids these days just don't respect tie-meta, i think.

I play with my heart on my sleeve. I didn't want any monkey business getting in the way of me having my vote where I wanted it.

Would it hurt you guys to be more succinct?

So.many.unnecessary.words

i don't exist for your convenience. if it's really too much of a hassle for you to read one paragraph then i don't really know how to help you. i'll die before i proofread a post

[mention]Lisa Simpson[/mention] if you are around i am interested in hearing your ideas on things, you haven't posted much since d2

VC = Vote Count?

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:26 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:27 pm @Otto Mann I don't think you should bother with tone reading me. I have no emotions tied to this game whatsoever aside from a loose desire for serotonin. In real life I am, as the teens say, straight up not having a good time right now, for obvious reasons. So that may account for whatever defeated mood you're seeing in my posts.

It wasn't obvious to me because those things you just said weren't addressed in your vote posts, that's why I asked.

I understand leaving to be with family but why break the tie in the first place if you suspected both players and wanted to look out for suspicious vote movements? Why not just leave the tie as it was?

Because as I'd already said, my strongest scum read was on CBG. I'd have enough of him. I'd ask him a question and he'd say shit like "don't worry about it", and "why not" etc. I've got no time or sympathy for townies who sign up for a game and proceed to suck ass.
Milhouse and CBG were playing extremely shitty games and would've had to be sorted by town at some point anyways because there isn't a wolf pack dumb enough to kill off townies that are largely scum read.
The Homer kill is a head scratcher for me.

my post replying to this got eaten while i was playing Video Game

I understand why you voted for CBG, i was more asking why you would break the tie instead of letting it actually play out. Even if you suspected CBG more than Lisa, if one of them is bad then keeping the vote close at end of day forces mafia teammates to choose to protect or sacrifice, which can lead to awkward reasonings and shady justifications which stick out and sweater thread. I thought that was what you were going for with the tie wagon thing, but creating a two vote gap prevented that.

Kids these days just don't respect tie-meta, i think.

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:05 am About the 5 players poe, looks like a trap, even if we.can make a consensus poe of 5 that will contain villagers too and wolves can switch the elim of a mate in the Poe with a new mischop especially if at least one wolf is outside the Poe.

I wish to try some GTH reads, as exercise, who is in?

yes i'm in

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:44 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:24 pm Fun fact, I've been looking for 112. She's tricky af and for a little while I was thinking she might be Lisa, but theres been some spelling and grammar errors which are definitely not 112 even though the post frequency and some meta stuff kinda lines up with Lisa.
I fear 112 might actually be Grumple, and if she is in fact Grumple I'd scum read that slot so hard.

I've only played with 112 once - she was scum and she was mostly quiet and got exed pretty much on consensus D1 for doing nothing. But anti-spewed well enough to let her teammates win the game after. That hasn't matched up super well with what Grumple's been doing this game. What makes you scumread Grumple if Grumple is 112?

I didn't realize that was a person's name. To clarify, I am not them.

[mention]Otto Mann[/mention] I don't think you should bother with tone reading me. I have no emotions tied to this game whatsoever aside from a loose desire for serotonin. In real life I am, as the teens say, straight up not having a good time right now, for obvious reasons. So that may account for whatever defeated mood you're seeing in my posts.

It wasn't obvious to me because those things you just said weren't addressed in your vote posts, that's why I asked.

I understand leaving to be with family but why break the tie in the first place if you suspected both players and wanted to look out for suspicious vote movements? Why not just leave the tie as it was?

[mention]Otto Mann[/mention] or also why you voted Lisa in the first place? thank you

[mention]Otto Mann[/mention] I can't find where you explained this; what drove you to break the tie between Comic Book Guy and Lisa Simpson on Day 2?

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:18 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:37 pm workposting

do any of you guys keep a spreadsheet of voting order that includes initial votes; not just final placement?

No, i have just a midday VC saved because as anon game the final VC is not enough.

Not everyone uses the voting button when they vote on the poll

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:18 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:37 pm workposting

do any of you guys keep a spreadsheet of voting order that includes initial votes; not just final placement?

No, i have just a midday VC saved because as anon game the final VC is not enough.

Not everyone uses the voting button when they vote on the poll

boo. but okay.

something I've been thinking about is the late phase push on CBG that broke the tie. were there any voters other than Homer that were part of that? this is more of a note for myself to look into this later than anything

workposting

do any of you guys keep a spreadsheet of voting order that includes initial votes; not just final placement?

I'm vexed because this is coming out of left field from you, a person who has been mostly reasonable this whole game, to suddenly nitpick on something both hypocritical and minute.

it's really cool of you to ignore the subject of my response and focus on word choice instead, Otto.

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:34 am

The Grumple wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:26 am

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:24 am Why tf are grampa and grumple even talking about chopping Skinner?

That shit was never on the table. Wtf, just trying to look busy or something?

Wonder twins are bugging me

it was literally being discussed in the thread

Wasn't in actually discussion though.

Seems like the perfect subject for scum to latch onto. Easy entry, something to look busy talking about AND can serve them well if they poison the thread well enough.

Not a good look from the wonder twins.

Otto. I saw you and some others discussing the possibility of getting rid of an empty voting slot. I think to myself, "wow, that's probably a bad idea." I made my opinion known, with a post that took less than 15 seconds to type and moved on.

You made a basically similar argument on the same exact topic less than 60 seconds before me. I'm honestly a little vexed by your reaction.

I haven't agreed with anything Krusty has said at any point, but there's something about the way he has... idk how to word this. The way he has gone after people like Hugh and Elizabeth for things that basically amount to using sentences he doesn't like. it seems like... whatever the opposite of opportunistic is.

you were one of the people talking about it