The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:26 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:04 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:59 pm how come no one is explaining to me why we're killing cat

I would really appreciate it if, for example,

someone told me who or what started the Cat wagon

because that *totally* couldn't affect reads based on cat's flip
Here is Mac's case, or at least the first post (of three)
Reading/lightly skimming the first two

I think that's a satisfactory case and I don't see much or any of a counter argument to it unless we start conjecturing some things of what Cat must've been thinking but never said in a towny light.

I'm not sold on Made though; I've seen (and quite frankly experienced) towns being portrayed as partners to someone as the sole explicit reason of being scum and then getting mischopped for it.

Actually, where is Made?

i was just wondering this

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:10 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:09 pm oh and i think sloonei is village as well
Why is this?

I don;'t really know. he's kind of hitting the same notes as he did in finale for me

oh and i think sloonei is village as well

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:07 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:06 pmi like what marmot's doing
What's he doing?

he's questioning in ways that make me think he's actually considering the content and what it means first.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:56 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:39 pm well... in my opinion these types of reads work when you know the person well and youre noticing small stuff like this

i dont believe youve played with dyachei before, and in my experience i have seen towns use the words they used, its not a scumtell, and while dya could be scum i think applying this read on them will have random accuracy

i ... was trying to say that in the most kind and respectful way, maybe i overdid it and came across as too condescending, not the intent, but, when i see types of reads that wont land well from my experience i will speak up about it since its in my interest to do so!
Sure. The response I got from you and nutella was "dya is just town", so I'll just accept that for now. It was a thing that I noticed that I pointed out, but I do appreciate the response.

Dismissing might not have been the right word for me to use, but it did feel like something in that ballpark. And despite my assertion that word usage is a useful tool, I'll admit that I'm not the best with using the right words in the right era.
Dya has a pretty big wolfrange so I'm not townreading them now. It concerns me how hyperfocused Dya's been on me this game, I dislike how they've spent more time and effort pushing me than on sorting people out or on any of their other reads.

i was trying to get other reads on you to confirm or argue with my current read so i could get a better idea of if it was just me or not

I also know you better than a lot of people here

i have given several town reads

Mac I've talked about
MR I've at least alluded to
I don't think I've mentioned nutella but this is miles away from the wolf games I've seen from her

i like what marmot's doing

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:37 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:35 pm it doesn't say in the rules that the thread will be closed during the night, does that mean it won't be or is it just such a common thing now that it doesn't bear mentioning
I don't know if I can keep up if the thread stays open

i personally want it closed so I can focus on something else for a day

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:28 pm dya wolf-swept the semifinal game also ftr theyre a fantastic woofer

i'm a better villager than I am wolf but d1s suck

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:17 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:01 pm it feels manipulative when I spell it all out for you?

you guys must think I'm the worst wolf lmao
It's the wording of it. The manner of saying "I want to these to be the top two wagons" instead of something like "These are my preferred votes".

I can't say I've ever played with you, so I don't know your wolfing capabilities (but you're in the GoC, so I assume they aren't the worst)

that's just how I talk

I subbed in so I didn't meet some of the requirements of this game on TS. I've met them elsewhere

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:01 pm If I give in to the "too easy" feeling on Cat I might want to kill Marmot or Syn. Any takers?

i've never played with syn before and I think marmot is being slightly villa

talk about syn some?

it feels manipulative when I spell it all out for you?

you guys must think I'm the worst wolf lmao

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:57 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:56 pm all these people pretending they've never wanted to flip 2 people before

I call you on your lies
oh your role lets us do a double d1 yeet? thats groovy lets see if im right

I wish!

72 hr d1s are too long and should be outlawed

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:27 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:04 pm so like lots of people talking about my thunal vote but not many people telling me their thoughts on thunal
dya town

you're probably not gonna like me saying this but...I'd do this as any alignment, why do you think it's so town indicative?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:56 pm was hyena already under suspicion when he claimed or was it rando?

there were like 5 people on his wagon?

all these people pretending they've never wanted to flip 2 people before

I call you on your lies

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:53 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:17 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:12 pm @dyachei you said you want two votes and received Marmot's
If you need another one, i'll give you mine
i really want the top 2 wagons to be thunal and cat

I've explained thunal a lot and I think cat's a hit too (mostly based on mac's case)

i think that if both those wagons were to die today I'd be pretty happy
bad vibes

time to get your vibes re-calibrated then

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:29 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:24 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:20 pm Arguments for me being a wolf:
-I don't have the motivation/solving spark as in other games
-My tone is less emotional and more formal
-I'm not pushing people as hard

I don't see why you get to that I'm a wolf from those. I'm putting as much effort in this game as I can (probably more effort than I can at some points tbh) and I feel badly that it's somehow not showing. I'm moving back to school and I also have a lot of work to do so I'm stressed out and can't focus on this game as much as I can for most games. I'm not super excited right now because my mind isn't on this game, it's on going back to school. My tone being stiff/formal is completely normal for me (as you can see if you skimmed the town games I linked, but I don't think anyone did) and it's unfair to compare turbos to normal games.

@tedxtr @dyachei Since you're reading me based on my behavior in turbos, I want you to take a look at this.

In a turbo graveyard Actvscenei said: I only know Thunal from two games and both times she was VT. This game is notably different from when I’ve played with her. But, idk if that’s because this is a turbo and her play style is different, or if she’s scum or PT. But I don’t think she’s VT.

I was VT that turbo. I know Act from full length games on MafC and she noticed I acted really differently in turbos than in normal games. Here's the graveyard for context: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/29681
it's not about effort, it's about tone and how you're solving

Iwish you'd stop blaming yourself for activity levels because god knows you've been active

it just does very little to move the needle for me when i look at your cases and how you're presenting them

thunal, even though I'm wolf reading you this game, I have a ton of respect for you and your game and I usually get there on you being a villager. You don't have to convince me you're worthy. it's not about that
Thanks. I know it's not that you don't respect me and I'm not blaming myself for activity, I'm genuinely confused and frustrated that I can't stop being different because my real life circumstances are different and the game circumstances are also different. I'm frustrated that despite my effort I feel like I don't have anything to show for it. I think after I get settled back in school and finish the big assignment I have (I'm moving back Sunday) then I might have more of that spark.

Can you please skim these town games?
https://mafiacafe.boards.net/thread/177 ... ue-retreat
https://mafiacafe.boards.net/thread/183 ... cine-mafia

my schedule is a little full to be skimming town games right now. at work, have multiple obligations to deal with

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:20 pm Arguments for me being a wolf:
-I don't have the motivation/solving spark as in other games
-My tone is less emotional and more formal
-I'm not pushing people as hard

I don't see why you get to that I'm a wolf from those. I'm putting as much effort in this game as I can (probably more effort than I can at some points tbh) and I feel badly that it's somehow not showing. I'm moving back to school and I also have a lot of work to do so I'm stressed out and can't focus on this game as much as I can for most games. I'm not super excited right now because my mind isn't on this game, it's on going back to school. My tone being stiff/formal is completely normal for me (as you can see if you skimmed the town games I linked, but I don't think anyone did) and it's unfair to compare turbos to normal games.

@tedxtr @dyachei Since you're reading me based on my behavior in turbos, I want you to take a look at this.

In a turbo graveyard Actvscenei said: I only know Thunal from two games and both times she was VT. This game is notably different from when I’ve played with her. But, idk if that’s because this is a turbo and her play style is different, or if she’s scum or PT. But I don’t think she’s VT.

I was VT that turbo. I know Act from full length games on MafC and she noticed I acted really differently in turbos than in normal games. Here's the graveyard for context: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/29681

it's not about effort, it's about tone and how you're solving

Iwish you'd stop blaming yourself for activity levels because god knows you've been active

it just does very little to move the needle for me when i look at your cases and how you're presenting them

thunal, even though I'm wolf reading you this game, I have a ton of respect for you and your game and I usually get there on you being a villager. You don't have to convince me you're worthy. it's not about that

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:12 pm @dyachei you said you want two votes and received Marmot's
If you need another one, i'll give you mine

i really want the top 2 wagons to be thunal and cat

I've explained thunal a lot and I think cat's a hit too (mostly based on mac's case)

i think that if both those wagons were to die today I'd be pretty happy

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:41 pm Completely random tangent:

What is everyone's opinions on Tim?

he's certainly a player in this game

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:39 pm [VOTE: cat] aubergine

thanks!

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:38 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:36 pm i want to have 2 votes today
You can have my vote then.

vote cat

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:35 pm also where tf is mac, i wanna real time with the dude

my sixth sense tells me we're villaging

yeah i was concerned about mac earlier but he got villagery mostly last night to this morning

i want to have 2 votes today

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:27 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:21 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:21 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:19 pm hmmm, maybe thunal's just pocketed me

Her frustration came across as genuine to me
I agree, and it kind of held me back from piling on earlier.

But frustration can come from both alignments.
I'm gonna force a masonry on you
Get in line - Ted declared me his mason already.

We can form a neighbourhood.

i'll get in line when you get out of my head

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:21 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:19 pm hmmm, maybe thunal's just pocketed me

Her frustration came across as genuine to me
I agree, and it kind of held me back from piling on earlier.

But frustration can come from both alignments.

I'm gonna force a masonry on you

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:19 pm hmmm, maybe thunal's just pocketed me

Her frustration came across as genuine to me

it might be genuine. it's not fun to be read as a wolf even when you are one

I don't think it's AI to be frustrated

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:15 pm My mason bro articulating my feelings on Thunal better than I can.

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Let's go cat v cat.

i feel like I'm chopped liver now

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:07 pm done reading thunal's iso

usually how i'd read thunal in turbos is by the depth of her thought and aggressiveness in pushes. in here, she kind of goes for a push, starts talking about other things and then moves her vote. i don't really see any progression from her on the slot that she's voting at all either. it's kind of like, place the vote down, say why you did it, talk about something else, rinse and repeat. in other games i think there's a touch more investigation going on and relentlessly chasing the read down.

I think she's got a more formal tone and lacks her solving spark

you put it more eloquently but I think we're in agreement

I just wanted someone else who knows her to weigh in because she's also been trying to convince me that she's not a wolf by blaming it on the type of game or that she feels more free in turbos

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:42 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:40 pm hey ted, are you caught up yet?
nope but i can iso

iso thunal and tell me what you think

hey ted, are you caught up yet?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:09 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:07 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:04 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:03 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:52 am She never patpatpats me.

I don't want a pity pat.
non-pity pat <3

Spoiler: show

this just looks lewd

@Dyslexicon did you ever read thunal?

also yes, cat seems like a wolf, but I don't want to get off my thunal vote since she hasn't made me feel better about her slot yet

mac definitely trended up

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:53 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:51 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:46 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:45 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:30 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:29 pm Why are people voting Thunal, I was obviously joking
because she's wolfy

her tone is off and more stilted/formal

she normally gets this spark of joy or excitement when she solves and it's not there
This is what sucks
feel free to read my previous posts on it, too

you can tell me they suck for no reason as well!
I’ve read some of them

I don’t mean they suck in a mean spirited way, just in an OMGUS way cause you’re scumreading my townread for what I see as not good reasons
Doesn't an OMGUS only involve 2 players?

yes

nanook is using omgus to mean something it doesnt

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:51 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:46 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:45 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:30 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:29 pm Why are people voting Thunal, I was obviously joking
because she's wolfy

her tone is off and more stilted/formal

she normally gets this spark of joy or excitement when she solves and it's not there
This is what sucks
feel free to read my previous posts on it, too

you can tell me they suck for no reason as well!
I’ve read some of them

I don’t mean they suck in a mean spirited way, just in an OMGUS way cause you’re scumreading my townread for what I see as not good reasons

you keep using that term. I don't think it means what you think it means

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:45 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:30 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:29 pm Why are people voting Thunal, I was obviously joking
because she's wolfy

her tone is off and more stilted/formal

she normally gets this spark of joy or excitement when she solves and it's not there
This is what sucks

feel free to read my previous posts on it, too

you can tell me they suck for no reason as well!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:43 pm Anyways my vote is on sigya as a protest

based on what exactly?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:34 pm I went to OMGUS dya and she’s not in the poll

What gives

a vote for sig is a vote for me

also like...

i havent given a read on you

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:29 pm Why are people voting Thunal, I was obviously joking

because she's wolfy

her tone is off and more stilted/formal

she normally gets this spark of joy or excitement when she solves and it's not there

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:30 pm wait is it confirmed that this is multi ball

no

i do think jpic feels diff than radiohead

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:12 pm im legit tilted for being scumread on complete nonsense.

Would you prefer being scumread on logic?

mountainous is a type of torture that some people have been stockholm syndromed into believing they love it

it's not pure mafia, it's the worst of mafia

im caught up

you guys chat a lot

MR is kind of spicy around page 41-43 somewhere

radishes arent meant to be spicy

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:29 pm Falcon kinda does feel like he'd just be a hit. But on the other hand if my scumreads agree and everyone unites on him he could be lhf town. Meh. Could be an ok d1 yeet but not a super inspiring one

why does falcon feel like a hit to you

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:18 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:17 pm You're posting so much on-topic content compared to your recent town-games it's difficult to equate you to that meta here.
Not my fault people keep making bad pushes on me.

what would make a good push on you?

i dunno why i keep up with backreading. i dont think I'm getting much from it

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:35 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:33 pm @Dyslexicon

can you tag me when you do read thunal and come up with your read?
What's your read on MR?

I dont have one yet

he is doing mr things in the thread

@Dyslexicon

can you tag me when you do read thunal and come up with your read?

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