The Syndicate

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:37 am hourly reminder to unvote tsp

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:45 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:53 am Feels frustrating when everyone talks about me instead of at me

Agreed I know that feel. So what are your thoughts right now? What was your reasoning for following the dizzy vote to ender?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:16 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:44 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:37 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:30 am Anyone checked for marmot spew?

He voted creature but then changed his vote to alison for her case on creature. So seems like that looks better for Alison and maybe not as great for creature

Yeah, think I agree with this after having read his ISO (I was expecting more than his 13 pitiful posts). His vote on Alison comes out of nowhere

I take that back jpic paid attention to it when I said it. But now you think creature is the towniest person. I'm assuming this change is because of the change in his posting today vs day 1

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:51 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:50 am 112 - maybe mafia
alexa - very likely town, have mech
Belzy - very likely town
c4e5g3d5 - poisslby town
Creature - town
DrWilgy - possibly mafia
dyachei - very likely town, has mech
falcon45ca - town because mech
Guillotine - who knows
hollowkatt - who knows
ilario - very likely town, has mech
Justplayingitcool - towniest town to ever town
LinearPoint - maybe town, dizzy interaction doesnt feel partnery
Master Radishes - town, has mech
nutella - lol
Paopan - mafia
Phil and Gloria - mafia because i want to piss off mac
Porscha - has mech, apparently
sabie12 - who knows
sig - maybe mafia
Sloonei - possibly town
TonyStarkPrime - mafia because i want to piss off mac

a list this hedgey can only come from town, right?

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:05 am ilario i can see as wolf as of recent

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:07 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:07 am

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:05 am ilario i can see as wolf as of recent

He shot dizzy tho

dizzy was obvwolf

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:18 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:51 am @ilario

What did i say in the comments to you that pinged you?

ig the reasonings to ur reads felt very generic to me and not very convincing if im being totally honest

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:53 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:06 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:01 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:58 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:53 am True, it does involve me doing some preflipping but I also felt like you didn’t really believe in any of those pushes as you were doing them, maybe I’m just confbiased rn

Which trs and srs do you feel strongest about rn?

I feel strongly about Creature and belzy from the non-confirms.

Feel mildly decent about c4, nutella and MR and others that i can't remember from the top of my head.

I don't have any super strong scum reads so far over than im casting my eye at TSP who knows how to read me well and hasn't really made an attempt to solve me as far as I can tell.

Aighttt Ty for this

Can you elaborate on why u tr those people?

Creature - his detatched doom crying was towny as I recall he did that in the past in his town game. His scum game feels very different here compared to the one I played him on. I think Dizzy sorta shaded him heavily as well iirc, I think I had an interaction with dizzy on that which you can check in my iso

Belzy - I think they were the first one to call dizzy scum? Doubt a partner would bus dizzy that early when they had potential to go very deep imo. There was a derp they had iirc and i remember a post from them on day 1 whcih made me snap townread them.

C4 reminds me of his town game in Yolo's invitational. Do you feel the same way there?

So the creature take felt like you were more or less echoing what others had said and also his detached style was still present on d1 but u kinda pushed him for it anyways. So part of me wonders if your d1 push was
Opportunistic.

The belzy reasoning seems fine enough and I don’t really have a problem with it

The c4 reasoning is very generic and generally a reasoning I tend to find >rand w. You also pass the question back to me in a way that it looks like you don’t really believe in the read that much yourself which is fine if you don’t but I sorta would have expected you to have more nuanced and passionate views about several slots by this point in the game

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:20 am @jpic Oh well fwiw I liked c4s d1 but I’m not sure what to make of his reaction to sloonei. How do you feel about it?

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:18 am jpic was all wah wah wah and I thought one of his wahs sounded like a baby and I just watched grogu and I was emotional and guillo was super scummy before

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:22 am Mac saved jpic Mac saved jpic someone get him

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:24 am My votes always gonnna be on sig and sab here as I think they need resolving. The last 2 votes are up in the air for me.

Paopan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:27 am I'm out of the PoE. Finally I can post scummy stuffs

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:51 am I'm not a potato I'm a radish duh.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:55 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:52 pm I've misread falcon a bunch lately, thinking scum when he's town. This time he doesn't feel like either, at least not his usual meta. But in a vacuum I find him a bit too appeasing. His read on me is too confident. Unless there are raisins I just don't know how long I can keep ignoring him and hoping something happens to help me settle on an opinion.

Oh FFS



I have a green check on you



Go ahead and soup me Maf

this seems kinda abrupt? i have thoughts about this but wont out it out loud for a specific reason

Paopan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:45 am HK - 3p

112/SABIE/C4 wolves

remaining scum: Deep wolves --> Belzy, Alexa or Ilario

Game solved

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:54 am I also lean on Wilgy being town maybe probably I think. Even as I type that I change my mind again though. He didn't really act like improperly in the final moments of D1 when it was unclear if he'd go over or not. And he's been more engaged today rather than demoralised at his thread position. But I dunno, I don't want to make that decision. Part of me hopes he's scum as it was my D1 vote.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:07 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:02 am

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:48 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:47 am

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:43 pm I think my four preferred lynches are

112
DrWilgy
sabie12
sig

Please, tell me this is not all town

1/4 imo

yeah? which 1 bruh breh

one of the vigis, dunno who which is why i want both dead to be safe lol

I mean the mafia definitely would want town vig dead so they don't have to worry about them later.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:34 am

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:18 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:55 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:49 pm Dear wolves,

Let’s make this clear so you don’t waste your time: I will not be one of your miselims this game.

You will soon think I could be, of course. Even with the postcap I will likely not be able to keep up with the tryhards on this roster, and I will inevitably be perceived as low-hanging fruit. ‘Marmot will be an easy chop’ you’ll think. ‘Probably a flash wagon candidate.’

But you will be mistaken. You simply won’t be able to mis-elim me. Not this time. I will pull out the WIM when I need to. I have tricks up my sleeves. In fact, save me the energy and just treat this post as an inno child claim. I am for all your intents and purposes untouchable. If you decide you want me out of this game, you will need to spend a kill on me.

It is not your fault you randed wolf, and I am nothing if not sympathetic to an unfortunate rand, so I give you this warning now to help you plan around it. Everyone deserves a fair shot.

In the words of Descartes, ‘I post therefore I am town’. Or, in the words of a more modern philosopher, ‘U Kant touch this’.

Good luck, wolves. Just don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Town

Nanda kore wa

Dizzy can you explain because that post is stunningly NAI

i think unlikely to be w/w/w intereaction

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:16 am Could worst case scenario it be alexa, Belzy, Porscha and Phil&Gloria?

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:18 am idk claims would really help atp if it wasn't for the soup kill

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:23 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:21 am

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:18 am idk claims would really help atp if it wasn't for the soup kill

Don't think it would help at all really, regardless of soup. We have seen usually scummy roles be assigned to town already

I mean, there's that Belzy-Porscha thing I want sorted because Porscha seems to not be doing jackshit this game.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:00 am

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:18 pm I promised to talk some more about my c4 suspicion. It seems he has gained sufficient momentum since last night anyway, but I will still dump my thoughts into the thread.

Something that I feel is sometimes true about mafia members is that they struggle to actively pursue suspicions. It is one thing to name suspects and place votes, but it is another to flesh out reads and have them develop in real time. Making up fake arguments about a person about why they are lying when you know that they are not can be a difficult thing to do, especially when the person you are targeting is capable of being more vocal than you about it. The result is a bunch of stagnant suspicions that fail to take off, with more energy spent arguing (truthfully) about why certain players are town instead of mafia.

I think I see this trend playing out in c4's posts. Observe:

Spoiler: show

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:53 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pm The fact that Creature can only bring himself to talk about one thing so far is wolfy.

The fact that he's clearly beenfollowing along live for a reasonable amount of time given how quickly he voted nut makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's a piece of mechanical information also makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's an obviously fake redcheck also makes it wolfier.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:39 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 pm Is soup kill a thing?

Derp denied

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:05 pm @Sloonei post

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:20 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:14 pm I feel like I shouldn't be the one towncasing myself

Then lemme do it

Creature's strings of posts of talking to himself came off as pure and more drawn out than w!Creature would bother with

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:04 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:03 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:00 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Sup

hey gamer what's poppin

You feel wolfy from a glance

Are you a wolf?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:12 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:10 pm C4, shoot:

Scotty (scummy)

Bo (as KZA wanted)

or

Wilgy (as he requested)

Could totally shoot Scotty

Bo seems to be genuinely enjoying himself and is decently polarized but since both of you know him better do you have specific insights?

Wilgy lolno

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:26 pm Yeah Mac isn't towny lul

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:19 pm Ender townreaders talk to me about Ender pls

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:30 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Where's that spark I saw in RYM 96

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:46 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:44 pm i think paopan may be town rn based on his response and my spiritual vote is not on him, just haven't figured out where to go yet

@dyachei what's your read on me rn?

I have an idea of where you can go

Were you paying attention to Sloonei's posting in RYM perchance? It was miles townier than this even with low engagement.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:59 pm I'm very tempted to just shoot Sloon

Etc.

C4's most substantive Day 1 posts are an exchange with Porscha that lists reasons to suspect her, but never develops in any meaningful way. The rest of c4's Day 1 feels like aimless prodding and asking for direction on who to shoot. I am lacking the full context leading up to his decision to shoot Bo, but based on c4's posts alone I do not find his process to be all that convincing.
The suspects c4 does prod for most of Day 1 are easy options. He starts with Creature, whose playstyle invites suspicion, especially early on. Then he shifts to Porscha, an unfamiliar face with light activity. Then he spends a few posts prodding me with no direction because of my absence/lack of spark. But c4 never actually put real pressure on me. He demanded that I post and then didn't have anything to say to me when I did.

Compare all of this to the amount of time and energy c4 puts into townreading people on Day 1. I am having trouble finding any evidence that he is making a sincere effort to uncover suspects. He steps in to declare town reads every once in a while, and then gropes around listlessly at potential suspects. I'm uninspired by all of this. If c4 is town, I need to see him demonstrate that he is actually trying to develop reads on players.

Finally gonna properly cover this thing.

The actual point you're making and how you're landing at the expectations you have are beyond me.

In terms of the specific pushes you describe,

The Porscha push developed into exactly what it was meant to develop into, which was a wolf read and push, and saying otherwise just looks like word salad. It was literally "this is why Porscha is a wolf" followed by voting Porscha followed by asking people to vote Porscha followed by getting people to vote Porscha. I'm stunned that I have to explain this.
Creature, sure, but we can agree that doesn't mean much on its own.
My push on you was not to pressure you. I voted you and called you a wolf because I thought you were a wolf. Extrapolating more and then saying "But why didn't c4 follow my manual on pressuring players in order to pressure this player he wasn't trying to pressure?" is just disingenuous.

It is true of me in general that I townread more people than I scumread, and villagers have pushed me plenty for it historically, but like, what the fuck is this? Was there a word minimum you were shooting for here or something? It's like every time you almost say a reason I'm a wolf, you stumble, then say, "Hm, I don't know what to write here. Let me add the nearest objective observation and word it dramatically."

Regretting saying this in some amount because your posting has improved a lot and I think you're town.

jpic thoughts on this post?

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:13 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:10 am @ilario

Not sure if you saw my post about the interaction between c4, marmot and dizzy?

If it’s in the last 10ish pages then nah I’m still catching up

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:11 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:06 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:01 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:58 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:53 am True, it does involve me doing some preflipping but I also felt like you didn’t really believe in any of those pushes as you were doing them, maybe I’m just confbiased rn

Which trs and srs do you feel strongest about rn?

I feel strongly about Creature and belzy from the non-confirms.

Feel mildly decent about c4, nutella and MR and others that i can't remember from the top of my head.

I don't have any super strong scum reads so far over than im casting my eye at TSP who knows how to read me well and hasn't really made an attempt to solve me as far as I can tell.

Aighttt Ty for this

Can you elaborate on why u tr those people?

Belzy - I think they were the first one to call dizzy scum? Doubt a partner would bus dizzy that early when they had potential to go very deep imo. There was a derp they had iirc and i remember a post from them on day 1 whcih made me snap townread them.

C4 reminds me of his town game in Yolo's invitational. Do you feel the same way there?

Two things about the bolded statement.

1) Why did you think Dizzy could have deep wolfed if not stopped by Belzy?

2) Did you think this before or after Dizzy flupped.

3) Proof that Belzy would bus Dizzy early as scum: https://www.mafiacafe.net/forum/standar ... ame-thread

Im giving Belzy temporary credit for putting shading Dizzy but if she outlives you when she should be dead because she is hard spewed town by Dizzy and wolves gotta kill that, then slmething must be up.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:37 pm i think HK (claimed kill on NAA)/Sabie (claimed kill on Ender) low key are CCs. i don't see how it's possible for there to be only 1 mafia/3P KP N1 in a game this big and 2 village KP. plus that + all the day vig's, some of these have to be scum

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:34 pm I have a couple different ways to win, none of them are aligned with mafia.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:41 pm I can't normally win domes, but can I win an 8-way dome?

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:24 pm Letting a claimed third party role survive in the GoC has never backfired for town before.

is there a link to the game last year, i'm curious to look at it

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:58 pm is there a world where scum!dya shoots a partner for cred? not really, right, like it wouldn't make sense that early? i am only nervous because they feel less impactful than usual.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:06 pm This is sincere question with no agenda other than promoting discussion: Does it make sense for town c4 to shoot Bo when he did?

I wasn't here when it happened. I don't know what the discussion looked like, what the atmosphere was, when others shot in relation to Bo, etc.