GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Guillotine]

I have a couple different ways to win, none of them are aligned with mafia.

Sorry HK, but 3P and Mafia are both scum to me. You die!

[c4e5g3d5]

I can't normally win domes, but can I win an 8-way dome?

[alexa]

if we had 1 chop i would potentially spare HK but we have 4 chops anyway so even if you believe the claim, there's no real reason not to chop someone without a town wincon

[c4e5g3d5]

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

Holy shit I get to do this and still have been basically right on hk again, win/win

[Justplayingitcool]

I can't normally win domes, but can I win an 8-way dome?

Town it up in this game

I believe in you

[c4e5g3d5]

I can't normally win domes, but can I win an 8-way dome?

Town it up in this game

I believe in you

Lol hopefully

[Guillotine]

If HK is a solo 3P, no one gets town cred from the flip alone, but i'll take it.

[hollowkatt]

If HK is a solo 3P, no one gets town cred from the flip alone, but i'll take it.

you'll get nothing and you'll like it.

[c4e5g3d5]

Still feel queasy about voting Wilgy with Dizzy not giving half a fuck about EoD1 and going right back to railroading Wilgy D2

[hollowkatt]

the thing that sucks here is I'm a free chop for wolves, and there's literally no reason they shouldn't be on my wagon. The reasoning is simple too: 3p = die die die and nobody questions that. Killing me today doesn't advance town win condition, but it does eliminate one hiding spot for wolves so that's good.

[hollowkatt]

anyways, back to work, then driving home tonight through a monster snow storm. No idea if I'll make it back to the thread in anything less than 18ish hours and I'm not even sure when the killing deadline is

[alexa]

Okay I still only have hollowkatt for wolf but

c4e5g3d5
Master Radishes

May be an interesting place to look at

mr feels towny

falcon has a claimed green on mr

ohhhh nicee thx for that

im 20 pgs behind and catching uyp

sabie claimed the shot on ender and hollowkatt claimed the shot on axe also

Hmmm ender shot could possibly have been to protect dizzy

If neither sabie or hk is a wolf shot that means wolves only had factional kill as kp and that seems pretty low? Feels like one of them might be a scum kp but I don’t think it’s hk since I don’t see why wolves wouldn’t wanna keep town naa alive to derail the thread

mmmm this is true, re: sabie shooting Ender because of dizzy. sabie could still be scum vig so i'll do this again

[VOTE: SABIE] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

Shit, this day did not work as I interpreted it, I thought we were just yeeting the top four at end of half.

I'm glad I'm still alive. I guess since the vote pool is smol now, I'll try to do some ISO's and think about my suspicions.

[alexa]

the thing that sucks here is I'm a free chop for wolves, and there's literally no reason they shouldn't be on my wagon. The reasoning is simple too: 3p = die die die and nobody questions that. Killing me today doesn't advance town win condition, but it does eliminate one hiding spot for wolves so that's good.

i don't disagree that wolves + town alike would come together to chop you if you're actually 3P

but there's still a chance you are a wolf and even if you're 3P, unless all 5 wolves are being wagoned right now which i doubt you're still a fine kill for town

[hollowkatt]

the thing that sucks here is I'm a free chop for wolves, and there's literally no reason they shouldn't be on my wagon. The reasoning is simple too: 3p = die die die and nobody questions that. Killing me today doesn't advance town win condition, but it does eliminate one hiding spot for wolves so that's good.

i don't disagree that wolves + town alike would come together to chop you if you're actually 3P

but there's still a chance you are a wolf and even if you're 3P, unless all 5 wolves are being wagoned right now which i doubt you're still a fine kill for town

obvs fmpov it's meh but yes basically

[sabie12]

Just checking back in during my lunch break. I see HK is claiming 3p vig which is always iffy on whether that's town sided or not. So I'm just wondering how anyone would think it's logical that I would have killed ender as mafia. I don't see a world where mafia wants to kill off the person they were pushing and have them flip town immediately after. Ender was townreading me and his flip made dizzy look bad. Ender would have been easy mischop target. Ender wasn't even suspecting dizzy at EoD so how does killing him protect dizzy? If anything keeping ender alive would have helped dizzy more. And of course mafia wants you to think they could have more kp to make me look bad.

[alexa]

Just checking back in during my lunch break. I see HK is claiming 3p vig which is always iffy on whether that's town sided or not. So I'm just wondering how anyone would think it's logical that I would have killed ender as mafia. I don't see a world where mafia wants to kill off the person they were pushing and have them flip town immediately after. Ender was townreading me and his flip made dizzy look bad. Ender would have been easy mischop target. Ender wasn't even suspecting dizzy at EoD so how does killing him protect dizzy? If anything keeping ender alive would have helped dizzy more. And of course mafia wants you to think they could have more kp to make me look bad.

i think you could still be town vig so i'm on the fence in this regard, i'm just of the belief that we resolve among the vig's. there is likely 1 in sig/you but idt you're both scum really.

the CFD ender was a thing, but as a whole i've never seen him mischopped before/he is definitely not mischop bait. i had him as town and he is a strong villager who is capable of clearing himself later.

[alexa]

i am clearing HK for meta reasons NGL. he feels very different than the game he was a wolf. but i did the same thing to lag last game and was very wrong so i'm getting paranoid, especially because the way he claimed earlier felt like something i'd do as wolf to divert pressure. does anyone have good meta/a good read on HK?

ya hes town

@ilario apparently you missed it but he's claimed 3P now

[Sloonei]

Letting a claimed third party role survive in the GoC has never backfired for town before.

[alexa]

Letting a claimed third party role survive in the GoC has never backfired for town before.

is there a link to the game last year, i'm curious to look at it

[alexa]

NVM i found it

[Justplayingitcool]

Letting a claimed third party role survive in the GoC has never backfired for town before.

is there a link to the game last year, i'm curious to look at it

Pain

[Sloonei]

Anyone who is curious can find all past GoC’s on this subforum, for a lovely romp down Syndicate history:

[alexa]

lmao, last year alison solo won as 3P

[hollowkatt]

lmao, last year alison solo won as 3P

yeah, and both her and MR used her opening post from that game as their opening posts in this game. I thought we went over this yesterday? not being snarky just sayin

[Porscha]

maybe nutella is 3P

but they are definitely non-town

why are you 3P hunting? 3P and Mafia are both scum and must die, what's the difference?

The difference is that they might more of a threat to scum than to us.

Right Alexa?

i'm not 3P hunting, i'm simply stating that i have a check on nutella that states she isn't town

Do you hard claim this? If you do I have the means to kill her now.

Guillo did you ever claim any shot kills that have happened so far

[alexa]

lmao, last year alison solo won as 3P

yeah, and both her and MR used her opening post from that game as their opening posts in this game. I thought we went over this yesterday? not being snarky just sayin

i followed, just didn't realize she solo won lol

[Porscha]

Letting a claimed third party role survive in the GoC has never backfired for town before.

I'm generally a big fan of killing survivor, so i'm on board with yeeting a 3rd party unless given a strong reason not to

[falcon45ca]

Letting a claimed third party role survive in the GoC has never backfired for town before.

Yeah, I'm not letting that slide.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: c4] aubergine
[VOTE: guillotine] aubergine
[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Not really available to talk a lot today. These are my four votes to start off the second phase of this phase.

I owe TSP more scrutiny if I find the time.

[Master Radishes]

I want to make clear I advocated multiple times to kill Alison/all 3Ps.

[dyachei]

[VOTE: c4] aubergine
[VOTE: guillotine] aubergine
[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Not really available to talk a lot today. These are my four votes to start off the second phase of this phase.

I owe TSP more scrutiny if I find the time.

what do you think of sabie's claim in light of HK's 3p claim?

[Master Radishes]

I have a memory of town winning last year's GoC and I don't know what everyone keeps talking about.

[Porscha]

i think HK (claimed kill on NAA)/Sabie (claimed kill on Ender) low key are CCs. i don't see how it's possible for there to be only 1 mafia/3P KP N1 in a game this big and 2 village KP. plus that + all the day vig's, some of these have to be scum

I think the NAA kill is more likely to come from town

agree cuz if I was maf I would leave NAA alive to destroy the next day voting and conversation around policy lynching him. who was onboard with policy killing NAA? maybe there is a vigi in that list of people that wasn't alexa

[alexa]

i think HK (claimed kill on NAA)/Sabie (claimed kill on Ender) low key are CCs. i don't see how it's possible for there to be only 1 mafia/3P KP N1 in a game this big and 2 village KP. plus that + all the day vig's, some of these have to be scum

I think the NAA kill is more likely to come from town

agree cuz if I was maf I would leave NAA alive to destroy the next day voting and conversation around policy lynching him. who was onboard with policy killing NAA? maybe there is a vigi in that list of people that wasn't alexa

HK claimed NAA kill. So it was a 3P kill

[falcon45ca]

I have a memory of town winning last year's GoC and I don't know what everyone keeps talking about.

Prolly suppressed the memory of what actually happened due to PTSD

[alexa]

I have a memory of town winning last year's GoC and I don't know what everyone keeps talking about.

last year's game sounds hilarious

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: c4] aubergine
[VOTE: guillotine] aubergine
[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Not really available to talk a lot today. These are my four votes to start off the second phase of this phase.

I owe TSP more scrutiny if I find the time.

what do you think of sabie's claim in light of HK's 3p claim?

I think the abundance of guns in this game indicates that mafia can have them as well. I believe that the information we have about the setup strongly indicates that abilities are not necessarily tied to alignment, so I am inclined to focus on behavior in situations with ambiguous mechanics. Dizzy's handling of Sabie looked like it had strong bussing potential. There is a world where that is not the case, though.

[dyachei]

[VOTE: c4] aubergine
[VOTE: guillotine] aubergine
[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Not really available to talk a lot today. These are my four votes to start off the second phase of this phase.

I owe TSP more scrutiny if I find the time.

what do you think of sabie's claim in light of HK's 3p claim?

I think the abundance of guns in this game indicates that mafia can have them as well. I believe that the information we have about the setup strongly indicates that abilities are not necessarily tied to alignment, so I am inclined to focus on behavior in situations with ambiguous mechanics. Dizzy's handling of Sabie looked like it had strong bussing potential. There is a world where that is not the case, though.

thanks

[alexa]

is there a world where scum!dya shoots a partner for cred? not really, right, like it wouldn't make sense that early? i am only nervous because they feel less impactful than usual.

i think ilario is town regardless of shot

[Justplayingitcool]

is there a world where scum!dya shoots a partner for cred? not really, right, like it wouldn't make sense that early? i am only nervous because they feel less impactful than usual.

I doubt it.

[Master Radishes]

is there a world where scum!dya shoots a partner for cred? not really, right, like it wouldn't make sense that early? i am only nervous because they feel less impactful than usual.

i think ilario is town regardless of shot

The same thought has fluttered around my head at times. But that is a future MR problem.

[112]

Aight let's get em

[VOTE: 112] aubergine
[VOTE: c4e5g3d5] aubergine
[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

mfw

[alexa]

the only world where it's possible IMO is if dya thinks v!c4 is 100% shooting Marmot and wants to take the credit instead. i don't think c4 indicated this was a sure thing, though, so i can probably put the tinfoil to rest. most important to worry about the 8 options, anyway

[Sloonei]

This is sincere question with no agenda other than promoting discussion: Does it make sense for town c4 to shoot Bo when he did?

I wasn't here when it happened. I don't know what the discussion looked like, what the atmosphere was, when others shot in relation to Bo, etc.

[Master Radishes]

Yes re: Bo

[TonyStarkPrime]

The final GTH. I'm going to bed and likely won't be up. Orange I'm unsure of, but if forced would say red. Think of them as backups if I'm wrong about the others.

112
alexa
Belzy
c4e5g3d5
Creature
DrWilgy
dyachei
falcon45ca
Guillotine
hollowkatt
ilario
Justplayingitcool
LinearPoint
Master Radishes
Paopan
Phil and Gloria
Porscha
sabie12
sig
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime

fwiw this is an ~interesting~ set of reads

[TonyStarkPrime]

This is sincere question with no agenda other than promoting discussion: Does it make sense for town c4 to shoot Bo when he did?

I wasn't here when it happened. I don't know what the discussion looked like, what the atmosphere was, when others shot in relation to Bo, etc.

I think it was possibly the third worst shot of the game but it was at least defensible. There was some defense of Bo in thread and all that but it didn't really strike me as bad

[TonyStarkPrime]

with the hk claim i think sabie is more likely town and sig is more likely scum

[Justplayingitcool]

This is sincere question with no agenda other than promoting discussion: Does it make sense for town c4 to shoot Bo when he did?

I wasn't here when it happened. I don't know what the discussion looked like, what the atmosphere was, when others shot in relation to Bo, etc.

Yes it made sense