The Syndicate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:13 am
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Urist wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:35 pm what is 112's wolf meta?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:44 am I don't see how 112's entrance was scummy, but for every second that passes without a post from her I become more comfortable with the wagon.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:45 am
112 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:38 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:36 am willing to believe this is just a bad reach and not some made up scum narrative

"I would dayvig nutella/alison right now" is still horrible
I think it's horrible in that it's probably not the right play, but I don't think it's horrible in the sense that tutuu's significantly more likely to flip scum for it.
tutuu has said she doesn't have high confidence in her scum reads so idk why she'd think dayvigging someone is a good idea if she's town

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:19 pm I just got off the phone with my wagon analyst, she says that 112 is most likely town here due to lack of momentum on that wagon.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:23 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:21 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:19 pm I just got off the phone with my wagon analyst, she says that 112 is most likely town here due to lack of momentum on that wagon.
Where is the momentum supposed to come from if 112 were scum?
Her buddies, duh.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:47 pm hot take: 1 scum is not voting, and the other two are on their own vanity wagons.
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112
Voters: nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool

Alison
Voters: tutuu, Urist

Amy
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall

MacDougall
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, protocultures

Carotenoid
Voters: Turnip Head

nutella
Voters: tedxtr

TenThousandCalories
Voters: 112

tutuu
Voters: Alison

No vote / Unvote
Voters: TenThousandCalories, Carotenoid

Voters: None
So that'd mean that one of 10k / Carotte is scum and two of Alison / 112 / tedxtr / TurnipHead are scum.
This read brought to you by a bad analysis that's probably incorrect.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:04 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:50 pm for the record i think the fact that 112 exists in this state of being arguably consensus scumread but not actually being pushed harder than she is is somewhat wolf indicative

if it were a stagnant runaway wagon then yeah i'd be concerned we were dunking on an LHF villager

but like

people are still running around trying to get their own wagons to take off and surpass 112, there's not that much momentum in favor of actually yeeting her even despite her status on people's readslists

and i think that indicates there are people who feel pressured to not townread her but also would really prefer to vote someone else

i.e. teammates

quite possibly too early for that sort of analysis, but it's a thought i want out there
I think that you're reading the wagon with a bias of already thinking she's scum.
I think your analysis is solid, but one thing isn't quite right. Nobody is really pushing for a competing wagon to surpass 112's (aside from tutuu, who is probably town anyway).
I do agree with you that if there actually were strong counter-pushes, 112 might be mafia being protected by teammates. But that isn't happening soooo I'm probably right. Sorry.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:06 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:12 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:39 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:27 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:23 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:21 pm

Where is the momentum supposed to come from if 112 were scum?
Her buddies, duh.
what if they're just afk though
I know this game feels slow, but how many AFKers do we actually have? 10k, maybe? I think that most people have logged on since 112 became the thread's pariah, so I'm not sure your counterargument is valid.
I'm ok with slapping a caveat of "if 2 lurkers flip scum, invalidate me" on my analysis. But like... I don't really think that's going to happen.
Hmn yeah I kinda came around to that conclusion about AFKers after ISOing the people I didn't have strong impressions of.
I still think it's a bit early to clear 112 from that alone though, it relies too much on the idea that her teammates would be eager to bus, which really depends on who said teammates are.
Bus? No. Distance, with the expectation that the wagon will collapse like most early d1 wagons do? Sure.
You're right that it's too early to clear 112 for this. But it's enough to make me argue against the wagon.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:32 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:19 pm Votecount
112 (3): nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool
Alison (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu
Amy (1): Turnip Head
ColinIsCool (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (2): protocultures, tedxtr
Turnip Head/DrWilgy (3): 112, Alison, Urist
Urist (1): MacDougall

112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.
Wait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:46 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

So from this progression - we get a little defending argument based on the classical "wolves wouldn't allow this to go" which, ironically, is what Urist is doing by defending 112 there, although acknowledging Carote's PoV as probable.

The progression goes from a "i didn't find their entrance scummy" to a defence based purely on game state, then he turns on 112 for switching their vote without posting about it in thread and still makes the tie-breaking vote between Alison and 112, putting Alison at 4-3 with 112.

Yeah, looks pretty terrible. I'd vote them out today.

I probably got a little tunneled on thinking 112 was going to flip town. The thing I didn't (and still don't) understand is how 112 sat at 3 votes for forever, when so many people scum read her. If all of those people were town, I would expect 112's partners to bus earlier because it was pretty clear from the start of day that 112 was going to be a major candidate, if not the obvious yeet. I guess the piece I was missing is that at least one person who called 112 obv was not town, making the yeet not as overwhelmingly predetermined as it might otherwise seem.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:15 pm my broader point is that even if you think TSP is mafia, Urist can easily be his teammate so I still think Urist is the correct exe for today.

If I were a wolf I would know I'm getting yeeted and would def be distancing here. Therefore if I were mafia, TSP is almost certainly mafia as well. Ergo the correct yeet is TSP.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:56 pm Okay so I'm not super on my game since I'm busy with other stuff but I gave it a brief think and I sort of think Urist/TSP is a possible scumteam. Urist made some noise about voting TSP and even offering to go off my wagon to vote him, but reversed that read/folded up the pressure afterwards, which makes me think it can be an attempt at looking unaligned without the actual followthrough. I don't actually think TSP was particularly locked into his read and could easily have shifted wagons, but the most obvious possibility for why he didn't as wolf was that his teammate was already on the Alison wagon and he really didn't want to have the whole scumteam pile on the counterwagon and get instantly POE'd.

Seriously, don't waste your time or energy considering worlds where I flip mafia.

[VOTE: None] aubergine for now bc i actually am reconsidering my read on mac but i have to go do family stuff for a while.

I do want to say that town's winrate at this point is less than 40%, and that's with the d1 scum yeet. So we're def not out of the woods yet, don't get complacent and think we can afford a liberal PoE.

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:14 am I don't want to vote tutuu today but can some people give their views? This whole submissive "will sheep towncore votes" feels off to me. I don't scumread them enough to vote them but it doesn't feel right or normal. Anyone else?

I feel like carot is still trying to solve my slot so want to lean them town still and won't vote them today. Also they might make a cool presentation again and who wants to miss that?

Mac - still undecided on. They seem to be going powertown mode now for some reason. They aren't being super sussed following 111 flip anyway so maybe this is the example of "sometimes Mac just spews himself town"?

I don't have a strong read on TSP but I don't see the reason Mac super scumreads them. They have more meta together I guess. Is anyone other than Mac super scumreading them?

Nanooks spamming of shrug emoji now means something, I just don't know what.

10k probably an easy misyeet for being low post count.

I can never read Urist at all and when I try, I am still wrong so never going to "make a case" against them and lead a charge for their head.

I would probably be okay flipping turnip/Dr today. I don't read too much into interactions or votes or kills etc. Just vote scummy kinda people. This is nothing scummy Dr has done btw, all turnip head. Maybe that's bad but unless I see wagons forming threatening my townreads or it becomes clear my vote is a useless vanity vote, I'm okay parking my vote there for now.

[VOTE: wilco] aubergine

Making a big deal about being wrong is something I never read as town, and tutuu is doing just that so she does ping me a little. She also pushed the Alison wagon, which if I'm being real is +wolf. I realize I did this myself but it is what it is.

I think if you saw my scum game you would be able to tell pretty easily. I have a hard time not commiting TMI and other such basic scum faux pas.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:52 am I was reevaluating on Urist but his omgussing and tunneling of me while I am town reading him and trying to solve his slot is swinging me back the other way a bit tbh.

World 1 - Urist is mafia. TSP = Carotte > Wilgy > TTC POE.
World 2 - Urist is town. TSP/Wilgy are lock mafia.
Amy, Alison, Tutuu, Nook, Tedxtr, Colin, Protocultures are townreads for various different reasons right now.

This is the way. Sheep this.

Am I tunneled? I just got online and am catching up as quickly as possible (and trying to keep up tbh, I'm multitasking and certain people are flooding the thread).

I would def be willing to go for TSP first. I'm not going to be convinced that there isn't scum in the people who were calling 112 mafia early without voting there, but I haven't actually inventoried the full list of the people this applies to so I'm not 100% sure what my own PoE looks like atm, if that makes sense.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:40 am I'm no risk of being yeeted but given I actually kind of think Urist is town now (and Nook too tbh) it's important you stop omgussing me Urist.

On mobile so going to reply to your long posts here.

Fair enough re: timezones, I kinda forgot about that. But I still don't agree that your vote was impactful. I highly doubt that anyone in this game would be stupid enough to tie the vote, as either alignment. Especially since I think I was the only one who'd expressed a serious townread on 112.

Re: TSP... I absolutely agree on your analysis of TSP, he was probably my second choice yesterday and is definitely a valid option today for reasons I've already stated.

Re: Wilgy... I don't necessarily agree with this. I did heavily dislike the fact that he didn't post on d1, not even a "hi", considering he was active enough to post a few times in the upick discord. It looks especially bad knowing that 112 was mafia. The thing that gives me pause though is that in the middle of the day, 112 placed a silent third vote on Wilgy / TH. It's hard for me to see this as w/w, considering it was the 3rd vote and TH was probably a viable wagon at that point. I'd be tempted to say that Wilgy is spewed town if it weren't for the +wolf stuff I mentioned. In any case, I don't think Wilgy is a great option today.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:41 am Mac -

So, after ISOing I came to the conclusion that he's likely doing his own thing and it's just a playstyle difference that he's trying to adopt. (in regards to first posting hunting, etc etc)

The constant shading of nutella and then town reading her and flip flopping that much when he ended up on 112 is actually >rand v.

Why? I don't really see the motivation for why he'd do it as a wolf. Ending up on the wagon, still calling her scum and calling the main pusher of 112 (now flipped mafia) scum feels like something counterintuitive when you're like 10 minutes away from flipping 112 wolf and having that knowledge as a wolf.

The only concern I have with him currently is the fact that he'd claim that he'd still be tunneling nutella here - which seems really fake and came more as a bravado thing and a thing I often do as wolf in order to repress my guilty conscious.

It's a somewhat reachy thing though and he looks predominantly good just based on the horrible progression that I think a wolf would be very uncomfortable with. I think on balance the strength of this evidence outweighs the mini tinfoil I have boiled up on him.

He probably already planned on killing nutella and wanted to call her scum because "why would anyone do that as mafia", i.e. to get the read you're currently giving him.

I used to nk my scumreads as mafia all the time, trying to capitalize on the logic of "why would he kill someone who he thought could be executed". But in the end I realized the better logical route is "why would mafia kill someone a townie was tunneled on", so I stopped doing it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:40 am
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:33 pm i am 1000% not giving any scum reads this game, let's see how it works out for me

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:49 am i'm ok with being yeeted here, i know what i signed up for when i defended 112 so it's fine.

but the mafia are probably in the people who scumread 112 but didn't vote until late in the day.

mac is actually obvious scum at this point, calling me scum with 112 and then voting for ME instead of 112 is outing.
Well that was a lie.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:19 pm i feel like i'm watching me vs alison from lion king act out in this game. this is prob just tvt.
tutuu, if i found an instance or two where alison was nitpicky as town, would you accept my findings?
This post is pretty hard to read as mafia though. If Alison is town. It's sub optimal to force a townread on someone like Alison here. But then he's done the opposite towards me and I suppose having open warfare with multiple players could just be something Urist is looking to avoid.

@Urist you had a "lean town" read on TTC quite early. TTC's post history is pure null to me. Can you explain that read?

What can I say, old habits die hard.

10k's early posting had decent timing & seemed casual enough in context. You probably won't get that from the iso. Given that he hasn't posted since then I doubt the read still holds water.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:39 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:49 am i'm ok with being yeeted here, i know what i signed up for when i defended 112 so it's fine.

but the mafia are probably in the people who scumread 112 but didn't vote until late in the day.

mac is actually obvious scum at this point, calling me scum with 112 and then voting for ME instead of 112 is outing.
So in your opinion it makes more sense for a 112 teammate to late vote 112 when 112 can still be saved than any other alternative?

I voted at 6-5 15 before eod. If I don't vote there any dumb fuck thing could happen. I am the least likely teammate on vote analysis. I am effectively responsible for hammering day 1. It's not out of my range to do but I wait til much later to determine whether I need to. I don't just throw away teammates for the fuck of it.

Wilgy is right about my meta. He scummed with me in pyre.

112 could not be saved, give me a break. Nobody was posting at EoD. Of all the votes on that wagon, yours is certainly the least impactful and the most likely to come from a partner.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:27 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:12 am those are actual good points
No. Neither of them are good points. Scum reading 112 and Urist and voting for Urist just means I had a bigger scum read on Urist. You will find this in keeping with the reality.

Voting not Urist right now is partly for the same reason I didn't just vote 112 day 1. Why bother? His wagon is formed and everybody seems at peace with it. I'll be of more use elsewhere.

So no.

You had a maf read on 112 the entire day. I don't recall whom you were voting before me, but it sure wasn't 112. And to stay on me when it was clear that Alison was being wagoned and there was a chance of 112 not beng yeeted... yuck. If you were town, I think you'd have abandoned your read on me and wagoned 112 a lot earlier. You only voted 112 when it was already decided.

If you actually thought I was outed scum, you'd just vote for me.

macdougall not voting for me here is outing tbh, he doesn't want to be caught pushing the misyeet

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine btw

i'm ok with being yeeted here, i know what i signed up for when i defended 112 so it's fine.

but the mafia are probably in the people who scumread 112 but didn't vote until late in the day.

mac is actually obvious scum at this point, calling me scum with 112 and then voting for ME instead of 112 is outing.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:38 pm Eh, ime Urist is usually a bit less obvious as scum

it's true, i'm out of my scumrange by virtue of being so bad LOL

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

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Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:38 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:32 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:19 pm Votecount
112 (3): nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool
Alison (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu
Amy (1): Turnip Head
ColinIsCool (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (2): protocultures, tedxtr
Turnip Head/DrWilgy (3): 112, Alison, Urist
Urist (1): MacDougall

112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.
Wait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?
huh yeah
Time to see if your script is working!

I already checked at the start of day, it's busted and I haven't had time to make it work. The fact that you have to be *logged in* to see the voters is uh, a thing.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:32 pm Urist: “112 isn’t scum because nobody on the team has come along to make a counterwagon”

*makes a 112 counterwagon*

i see what you're getting at, but 112 is probably just town soo

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:19 pm Votecount
112 (3): nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool
Alison (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu
Amy (1): Turnip Head
ColinIsCool (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (2): protocultures, tedxtr
Turnip Head/DrWilgy (3): 112, Alison, Urist
Urist (1): MacDougall

112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.

Wait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:10 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:40 am So in the last game I played here, there was a mad scramble to organize at EoD and it allowed mafia to openly make scummy plays. Can we not do that again??
No.

apparently not.

i'm not going to be around for the last 3h before EoD by the way. so you lot have fun misyeeting some random sap who doesn't even have any scum equity. good luck!!!

So in the last game I played here, there was a mad scramble to organize at EoD and it allowed mafia to openly make scummy plays. Can we not do that again??

k bye

LOL she got u there alison

aaaaaaaaaa i have to sleep k bye

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:57 am TH's post seems broadly NAI? Like it's obviously AtE (because they're not providing actual reasons for me to believe they're town, just begging for mercy in a way) but that's something both alignments would use when they feel like they're being suppressed.

idk it doesn't seem genuine to me

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:55 am It is not melodtamatic dude wtf

Ur free to scumread them but why r u insulting their emotions?

I dont think any emotion is invalid

If u feel an emotion - ur body is feeling it - everything ur body tells u is the absolute truth

i encourage TH to go forth and spread their wings and do whatever else penguins do, i'm just saying that it's not as if TH has been posting anyway so the AtE of "i'd do stuff if you weren't breathing down my neck" does not seem genuine and does not evoke much sympathy from me

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:50 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:49 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:46 am I would love nothing more than to prove my towniness to you, I'd just appreciate if you got off my back a little and allowed me to spread my wings
is alison your mom or something, wtf even is this post
No no no no

Some ppl are emotional and sensitive and thats fine

Pls dont pick on Penguin-chan

i mean fine, but do you really not think it's a little melodramatic for someone who has already squandered over half the day?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:46 am I would love nothing more than to prove my towniness to you, I'd just appreciate if you got off my back a little and allowed me to spread my wings

is alison your mom or something, wtf even is this post

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:44 am I often feel like I end up being so aggressively orthodox a player that I end up being unorthodox because lots of people agree with my ideas about how to play mafia in principle but are hesitant about implementing them as seriously as I do in practice (eg. most people would agree if you said you should pretend to play the way you play as town when you are mafia, but I think I take this idea a lot further than the vast majority of mafia players do)

it's funny bc i went on a like 5 year break from mafia, and when i started again i played pretty similarly to you
i burned out after i think 4 games? it's just too hard to keep up when i rarely have a solid few hours to dedicate to mafia.
and when i do have time (like now) i do end up reverting a little and being more cooperative. so i'm not a total degenerate.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:37 am i just woke up its 7:35.

Actually i dreamt about alison ngl. Like about this game

Like, i kinda forgot now but i think somehow the game transformed into a diff game with roles and mechanics and the game hosts on anonymous discord accounts dm'd me that ive acquired green and blue mana and told me i can cast a spell and alison also casted a spell with blue and green mana itt and thats all i remember i think

oh damn, mafia dreams are awesome. you just reminded me how much i miss those. i used to have clairvoyant reads in my dreams, sometimes they were even correct, it was great

i meant to do other things tonight and now it's 12:34 ha haaa

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:33 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:30 am sign me up for the "hate your own voice" club
But it’s so sultry

aww ty <3

just fuckin coalesce already ya bastards

just kidding but not really

i unironically hate everyone who is on a solo wagon or not voting rn

sign me up for the "hate your own voice" club

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:24 am 112 is a good info yeet. TH is less good info yeet (i think theyre both town)

This games townsided af dude. 4 misyeets before lylo holy moly

pretty sure town has a winrate of like 20% here

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:20 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:15 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:12 am Can you imagine star playing a game here kek

I’d laugh so hard
it's pretty fun listening to him talk about his adventures on other sites.

you should invite him!
Maybe I’ll get him to play my avatar game kek

Watching him and people new to him is almost as watching people discover elli for the first time tbh

we certainly are a group of characters, aren't we?? :laugh track:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:12 am Can you imagine star playing a game here kek

I’d laugh so hard

it's pretty fun listening to him talk about his adventures on other sites.

you should invite him!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:08 am This is normal

pls no

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:08 am I think my points about TH's scumminess are fairly straightforward and easy to understand. TH has been anti-town; TH knows they're anti-town and refuse to change. TH has voted a very easy/lazy push for bad reasons. TH ghosted the thread for a bit and then came back to defend themselves when I called them out. These are behaviors that are, in a vacuum, objectively scummy. Any one of them could be defensible (especially the anti-town bit if that's just their meta like people said) - but taken altogether, it paints a poor picture of TH. Whatever you think about me and my vote for TH, these are facts about TH's behavior that you can evaluate the truth of for yourself.

meh, i'm more concerned about the vote on amy for "wagonomics" reasons followed by keeping the vote on amy despite the wagon evaporating.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:08 am I don't really understand what's so scummy about my vote for TH but we'll shelve that aside.

tutuu voted for TH in the midst of your argument with her, and you quickly followed. That's what I find scummy about it, there was no pause to consider the intentions of the person you were following onto that wagon.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:04 am
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:59 pm tsp's popping in to change the vote from mac to colin is bad tho
hm

I agree that Colin does fall loosely into the "easy, riskless push for mafia to make" category like Amy/proto are like I was arguing earlier. I suppose he has been townread quite a bit this game but I can believe your point that this vote move is suspicious. I wasn't really paying close attention to it but I didn't find anything from TSP that was baldly objectionable so I did not have a strong suspicion on him

mhm, and i have difficulty believing that tsp is just lazy town not reading colin properly, because i'd expect him to simply hop on the 112 wagon in that case (tsp's earlier posts indicate a strong conviction that this is 112's wolf meta).

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:49 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:48 pm ok anyone other than alison
it's unclear to me why TH becomes magically more scummy if voted by someone other than me

your AtE is getting to me so i'll explain that i do have some reservations about voting with you on TH considering my reason for voting you in the first place was mostly based on your vote for TH.
but it's d1 and i've proven that i'm terrible at reading you in general sooooooo whatever

tsp's popping in to change the vote from mac to colin is bad tho

anyway i guess i'm fine with this
[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:53 pm I do tend to be a fairly pragmatic player and I'd rather adapt to a playstyle than try to get someone to change via brute force but I there are in fact limits to my adaptability and "5 players just randomly decide not to give any rationale behind any of the things they do say or think and scumread anyone who tries to ask them to" crosses that line so I'm just going to do my best to read you accurately, act accordingly and refrain from trying to engage you or convince you of anything from now on

linki: no, TSP hasn't done anything wrong

who is scumreading people for asking them to explain rationale?

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