The Syndicate

I think the only strong mechanically strong mafia ability was jpic's "treacherous duel" ability or whatever it was called, which allowed him to also eliminate his opponent if he was executed.
I think everything else was mechanically null, town just had to work around it. If anything the abilities were inversely proportional to town's competence - that's probably why they seemed so broken this game. I think that's the mark of good design though... if we played well then the abilities would not have been effective at all. Town just refused to coordinate and come up with solid plans to deal with these mechanics.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:26 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:22 pm well played mafia btw, you used your abilities well.

i don't think the reverse yeet was that bad. we could have ensured that one person was left with 0 votes, but certain people were committed to playing suboptimally. i think that was the biggest advantage it gave the mafia, it was an obstacle for the town to play around.
giving everyone x votes instead of 1 wouldn't change anything btw. if everyone has 3 votes, i think it's even worse for the town because then you have to coordinate even more to get everyone even at 3 or 4 votes, etc.
you can call me out Urist, it won't hurt my feelings. I played like ass

Also it should go without saying but no hard feelings over here, I don't think that either of us were at peak performance this game hahah

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:33 pm Can I just how funny it was that none of you noticed how the pursue card for the marking has wolves in it!

LOL true

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:26 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:22 pm well played mafia btw, you used your abilities well.

i don't think the reverse yeet was that bad. we could have ensured that one person was left with 0 votes, but certain people were committed to playing suboptimally. i think that was the biggest advantage it gave the mafia, it was an obstacle for the town to play around.
giving everyone x votes instead of 1 wouldn't change anything btw. if everyone has 3 votes, i think it's even worse for the town because then you have to coordinate even more to get everyone even at 3 or 4 votes, etc.
you can call me out Urist, it won't hurt my feelings. I played like ass

Nah I was talking about Epi

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:20 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:16 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:02 pm On day 4 if JPIC was yeeted I think the scales would have been evened out and it would have been 50/50, maybe even town would have been slightly ahead
I don't think town would have figured out the mana leaf thing was w/w. But at least it would have been closer to a win!
The mana leaves would have showed up on their corpses

So if either LC or Enri got chopped or vigged, a Mana Leaf would show up on their corpse (as being part of their possession), and on their Mana Leaf Generator Ability it would have been written "You cannot self-target"

(They both gave each other a Mana Leaf on N1)

Oh so we would have just won then.

well played mafia btw, you used your abilities well.

i don't think the reverse yeet was that bad. we could have ensured that one person was left with 0 votes, but certain people were committed to playing suboptimally. i think that was the biggest advantage it gave the mafia, it was an obstacle for the town to play around.
giving everyone x votes instead of 1 wouldn't change anything btw. if everyone has 3 votes, i think it's even worse for the town because then you have to coordinate even more to get everyone even at 3 or 4 votes, etc.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:02 pm On day 4 if JPIC was yeeted I think the scales would have been evened out and it would have been 50/50, maybe even town would have been slightly ahead

I don't think town would have figured out the mana leaf thing was w/w. But at least it would have been closer to a win!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:23 pm I approach things not just as a player but as a game designer.

So the first question given this morning's mana a mana clash (I'm so clever ) for me is this: "Would a mafioso use an ability to make himself the only other name on the poll?"

The answer to that is "Hell no unless you crazy."

The second question I ask is, "Would I as a game designer give mafia an ability to transform the poll from anybody can die to 'Mafia has a 50% chance of death?'"

The answer to that is "Hell no I ain't crazy."

The third question I ask is, "Would a mafia member whose faction has this in hand use this ability?"

See the answer to number one.

I'm gradually gaining the perspective that this is all going to be a cautionary tale of "Just because you can don't mean you should."

The reverse lynch mechanic was almost certainly going to work against civilians.

This lynch mechanic may very well work against civilians.

JPIC has essentially forced our hands into choosing between them, which means if we agree with the answers to the questions above, we have no choice but to accept JPIC's decision on the matter.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

On the other hand, silencing is a pro-Mafia mechanic in almost every scenario, and I'm not altogether sure I buy the "There's a secret benefit to it." I don't even make civilian silencers anymore.

The fact is we've been dealt two names to choose from, and one of them is someone whose skill set doesn't make much sense coming from a mafia member. The other one does.

And at the end of the day, if we lose, I get to blame JPIC.

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

If scumJpic ends the game with a free kill tonight I'm saving this as copypasta

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:08 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:07 pm imagine keeping the entire decision of whom to axe behind closed doors so that scum can just lurk all day
You could have posted more.

Pretty sure I have the highest postcount today.

imagine keeping the entire decision of whom to axe behind closed doors so that scum can just lurk all day

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:51 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:50 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:46 pm What's really fucking me up is that if JPIC's mafia and he wins, WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE (it's not an "automatic loss" as it's been framed) if the vigs move against him and do enough damage to kill. I was going to say we can't coordinate that publicly if they have a blocker, but actually who cares? They're still probably gonna block the vigs to be safe (we were talking about repeat roles earlier and totally forgot about this, but what's the difference between hk and falcon anyway? If one of them is lying that's also really dire at this point).
I don't like this train of thought. Even if I get executed here, I don't think jpic would be my #1 choice of vig shot.
Are you saying you think you and JPIC are town/town?

I'm saying it's possible and that if I were a vig, I'd prefer to shoot LC first. I think he has a higher chance of a scumflip than jpic.

If jpic does flip mafia btw, I think this analysis is valid: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 3&p=753263
i.e. LC and Guillotine look the worst from the d2 wagon on jpic.

Enrique wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:46 pm What's really fucking me up is that if JPIC's mafia and he wins, WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE (it's not an "automatic loss" as it's been framed) if the vigs move against him and do enough damage to kill. I was going to say we can't coordinate that publicly if they have a blocker, but actually who cares? They're still probably gonna block the vigs to be safe (we were talking about repeat roles earlier and totally forgot about this, but what's the difference between hk and falcon anyway? If one of them is lying that's also really dire at this point).

I don't like this train of thought. Even if I get executed here, I don't think jpic would be my #1 choice of vig shot.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:46 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:41 pm If I'm still alive tonight I'll be protecting Epi. So at the very worst the mafia will have to counter me if they want the confirmed town to die.
it will also silence him.

Being dead would silence him even more.
But I don't think Epi has made 10 posts yet today. Would we even notice if he was silenced?

If I'm still alive tonight I'll be protecting Epi. So at the very worst the mafia will have to counter me if they want the confirmed town to die.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:50 pm @Urist you said there was a benefit to being silenced. I think you need to claim what that benefit is.

Protect against x damage.
x is greater than 1. I don't think it's beneficial to go into more detail than that.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:56 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:50 am
hollowkattt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:45 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:43 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:10 am It takes 4 mana for TSP to create the three person hood. TSP can generate 3 from his lands, and he was given the Maple Leaf which takes 1 colorless and turns it into two of any given color. Therefore, if TSP isn't lying, he could easily kick his ability last night to create the 3 person hood.
Thank you for effectively pointing out that he created the neighborhood last night if he isn't lying about creating the neighborhood last night. I hadn't thought of that.
thank you for ignoring my point lol
The point was that the 6 mana from Epi is a red herring, that dunya never needed 6 to kick her ability, and that the current hood is not a result of anything that she did two nights ago
You're saying that if he's not lying about his ability, it works in the way he says it works. I understand that. I'm not an idiot.
I'm saying it's possible he and dunya lied and that the neighborhood today is caused by another ability, or has another more expensive kicker that does what we saw the day before.
ok, obvs take this what however many grains of salt you want to, but dunya and I had talked about her kicker and what it could do in that hood. I knew from 4 IRL days ago that she could kick her ability to create a 3 person hood that would control the chop.
I also know that TSP, when he came into the game, barely had read his role PM let alone the game thread and the full chat between dunya and myself.
There is no reason for him to lie to me given that at the point he joined the game I knew as much or more about his slot than he did.

For what you're saying to be true he would have to have 3 abilities: 1 - create 2 person hood; 2 - inverse vote mechanic; 3 - create 3 person hood that controls the vote.
Nobody we've seen thus far has more than "base ability + kicker". I don't see how you can tie "inverse vote mechanic" and "3 person control hood" into one kicker.

Yeah that's true, TSP probably didn't have time to do anything other than skim your neighborhood. This is good to know.
I'll clarify that I'm not actually advocating for TSP to be executed any time soon. I mostly just wanted to get the theory out in the wild because I can imagine people clearing TSP for using what is at its core an anti-town ability that should never have been used if he's town.

Like, you know that if TSP is mafia he can say literally anything right.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:45 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:43 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:10 am It takes 4 mana for TSP to create the three person hood. TSP can generate 3 from his lands, and he was given the Maple Leaf which takes 1 colorless and turns it into two of any given color. Therefore, if TSP isn't lying, he could easily kick his ability last night to create the 3 person hood.
Thank you for effectively pointing out that he created the neighborhood last night if he isn't lying about creating the neighborhood last night. I hadn't thought of that.
thank you for ignoring my point lol
The point was that the 6 mana from Epi is a red herring, that dunya never needed 6 to kick her ability, and that the current hood is not a result of anything that she did two nights ago

You're saying that if he's not lying about his ability, it works in the way he says it works. I understand that. I'm not an idiot.
I'm saying it's possible he and dunya lied and that the neighborhood today is caused by another ability, or has another more expensive kicker that does what we saw the day before.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:10 am It takes 4 mana for TSP to create the three person hood. TSP can generate 3 from his lands, and he was given the Maple Leaf which takes 1 colorless and turns it into two of any given color. Therefore, if TSP isn't lying, he could easily kick his ability last night to create the 3 person hood.

Thank you for effectively pointing out that he created the neighborhood last night if he isn't lying about creating the neighborhood last night. I hadn't thought of that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:57 am
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:58 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:49 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:59 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:26 pm Has anyone claimed the Neighborhood Yeet ability? Was it TSP?
Would love an answer to this sooner rather than later btw @TonyStarkPrime @hollowkatt @Epignosis
I don't know what this means.
I suspect that the ability which created the special execution mechanic on d3 is the same one that created the special execution mechanic today. It doesn't make any sense for them to be two separate abilities (what would happen if they were both used at the same time?)
Also, dunya was given a ton of mana for n2 and I don't think anyone gave her mana for n3, so how would Tony execute this special ability unless it was initially triggered n2 and this is just an after-effect?
What I'm getting at is that TSP is probably mafia. And that, unfortunately, I'm probably wrong on hk and that he's likely town after all.
Am I supposed to already know all this stuff?

Epi claimed to have given dunya 6 mana for n2, yes.

If he's town he's definitely not getting a shot.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:21 am right, except that the marked people that day were sloonei and epi, and the added marks are now jack and you

So there was no way in hell Guillo/Epi were being chopped yesterday, yeah? Like I think we can all agree on that. So no way to earn vig shots for mafia in those two. They're never dying.
Having the marks today be you and jack again guarantees that at most they'll have you in contention for a mark chop. Worst case situation is the mark on you is real, you're town, and jpic is mafia and we lose.
Best case situation is the person we chop is mafia and the marker, yeah?

Would scumjpic know that Epi had no chance of being executed when he sent the mark? This was before Epi had claimed mason with Marmot.
You're focusing too much on what is currently happening this game instead of whether it makes sense from a design perspective. But let's be real, I don't think this mech discussion is very productive.

A question for you now. In the neighborhood, who was being discussed as the execution target? If jpic is mafia, I'd give a stern look toward the person who was being discussed as well as the people in the neighborhood.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:08 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:44 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:38 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:33 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:28 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:43 am Seems pretty unlikely that either of the tokens are real if you're mafia though.
If you're town then congrats on guaranteeing another misexecution.
Why would those tokens be fake if JPIC is mafia? What leads you to that conclusion?
Because it's totally broken otherwise. Assuming yesterday's execution mechanic was scum's doing, it would be so easy to get a mark executed. So not only would they get to guarantee a misaxe, they get a second nightkill on top of that. Seems a bit much.
Do you think the marks on Sloonei and Epi are fake as well?
I think that if jpic is mafia that all the marks are probably fake yes.
Why?

Because it's totally broken otherwise. Assuming yesterday's execution mechanic was scum's doing, it would be so easy to get a mark executed. So not only would they get to guarantee a misaxe, they get a second nightkill on top of that. Seems a bit much.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:38 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:33 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:28 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:43 am Seems pretty unlikely that either of the tokens are real if you're mafia though.
If you're town then congrats on guaranteeing another misexecution.
Why would those tokens be fake if JPIC is mafia? What leads you to that conclusion?
Because it's totally broken otherwise. Assuming yesterday's execution mechanic was scum's doing, it would be so easy to get a mark executed. So not only would they get to guarantee a misaxe, they get a second nightkill on top of that. Seems a bit much.
Do you think the marks on Sloonei and Epi are fake as well?

I think that if jpic is mafia that all the marks are probably fake yes.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:28 am
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:43 am Seems pretty unlikely that either of the tokens are real if you're mafia though.
If you're town then congrats on guaranteeing another misexecution.
Why would those tokens be fake if JPIC is mafia? What leads you to that conclusion?

Because it's totally broken otherwise. Assuming yesterday's execution mechanic was scum's doing, it would be so easy to get a mark executed. So not only would they get to guarantee a misaxe, they get a second nightkill on top of that. Seems a bit much.

Seems pretty unlikely that either of the tokens are real if you're mafia though.
If you're town then congrats on guaranteeing another misexecution.

Also just going to throw it out there that if jpic is mafia and these tokens are real, executing me loses the game immediately.

Could you not do it to Guillotine?

And you didn't use this ability yesterday why, exactly?

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:23 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:19 pm Pretty sure Mac would have flipped with the token in his possession if you gave it to him. Non-damaging abilities resolve before damaging ones.
... I'm gonna have to consult TPTB, because I think you're right, but I did give him a leaf. It's no convenient excuse, you can see the posts where he and Jack ask me to target them before any more than vague hints were public.

I highly doubt that mafia blocks you and I highly doubt that town blockers can target the same person on consecutive nights.

Why you'd fakeclaim that is ???????? but that's honestly what it looks like. A fakeclaim gone wrong.

This just looks like a bad fakeclaim tbh.

Pretty sure Mac would have flipped with the token in his possession if you gave it to him. Non-damaging abilities resolve before damaging ones.

Enrique, who did you target n3?

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:09 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:05 pm That's right, mac claimed RB.
He blocked Dunya N1, confirmed by him in thread and confirmed by Dunya in thread and chat.
Right, Mac blocking Marmot would block you from sending a leaf, but he died.

Do you think LC is a scum mirror of you? @Enrique
I assumed from the first moment this clicked that he somehow blocked me and copied my power (for one night). The dunya/tsp connection to me makes a lot of sense when framed like that. It is possible I'm being too stubborn with my precise explanation (and I know it has holes - I've pointed these out myself, Urist did too), but it's what I think happened and it makes LC scum. If I'm wrong about his specific role, I still feel like there's something fucky there.

I seriously doubt he'd claim a stolen ability. That would just be so dumb.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:37 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:58 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:49 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:59 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:26 pm Has anyone claimed the Neighborhood Yeet ability? Was it TSP?
Would love an answer to this sooner rather than later btw @TonyStarkPrime @hollowkatt @Epignosis
I don't know what this means.
I suspect that the ability which created the special execution mechanic on d3 is the same one that created the special execution mechanic today. It doesn't make any sense for them to be two separate abilities (what would happen if they were both used at the same time?)
Also, dunya was given a ton of mana for n2 and I don't think anyone gave her mana for n3, so how would Tony execute this special ability unless it was initially triggered n2 and this is just an after-effect?
What I'm getting at is that TSP is probably mafia. And that, unfortunately, I'm probably wrong on hk and that he's likely town after all.
Gosh, if you didn't put a post restriction on him, maybe you could ask him a bunch of questions or something.

You act like I could predict he'd have this ability today.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:34 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:51 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:47 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:59 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:26 pm Has anyone claimed the Neighborhood Yeet ability? Was it TSP?
Would love an answer to this sooner rather than later btw @TonyStarkPrime @hollowkatt @Epignosis
Hello. I have done it. I have also been silenced. The purpose of the neighborhood is as follows: this ability gains its power from the existence of the confirmed town epi. I will plan on sheeping whatever Epi decides (barring him making a stupid decision or disappearing). However, I only have 10 posts to use in the thread and I have to use posts to vote so HK and Epi speak for me today.

Would also love to know why you silenced me. smh. [VOTE: urist] aubergine that's not nice.
Because there's a beneficial side to my action and I knew you'd be the least affected since you'd most likely be able to speak through a neighborhood today.
Also because I couldn't silence Guillotine on consecutive nights.
A few observations and questions here.

1. You targeted TSP with a silence because TSP would be able to speak through a neighborhood.
a. That somewhat implies you knew he would be alive today (not necessarily), but you wouldn't silence someone you expected to be dead.

2. The second sentence implies you wanted to silence Guillotine twice in a row. Why would you want that?
a. You said you chose TSP because you knew he wouldn't be as affected. Did this reasoning equally apply to Guillotine?
b. Why did you quiet Guillotine, someone I have trusted?
c. You pretended to not understand the mechanics behind quieting Guillotine, and from what I can tell, you didn't do anything with that as a civilian might in order to catch opportunistic mafia. No, indeed, you just said you wish you could target Guillotine again.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:18 pm @Guillotine do you just die if you go over 10 posts then?
d. One could even accuse you of trying to bait Guillotine into wasting a post or more:

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:12 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:51 am
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:20 pm @Guillotine if you like to eat poop just don't respond to this and we'll get the idea
what is the context?
No context. But he never responded so I guess he does.
3. Silencing people in any context is at its core a mafia-aligned ability. If I am a civilian with that role, I don't use it.
a. So why did you? What did you hope to accomplish putting a post restriction on Guillotine (and hoping to do it twice)? And what are you hoping to accomplish putting a posting restriction on TSP?

I actually wasn't going to use it at all at the beginning of the game. N1 I sent my mana to kylemii, Jack and 112. But then Guillotine continued to be Guillotine so I used my ability in a pro-town albeit toxic way. No regrets.
And then dunya revealed the neighborizing thing so I figured there wasn't much downside to silencing that slot. There is an upside to the silence which I won't reveal yet, but I will say that I wouldn't use it on anyone who I feel would not be able to contribute positively to the town if they were silenced, because I do realize that the negative utility of my role outweighs the positive.
I pretended to not know what happened to Guillotine if he broke his restriction because I thought he might lie about it. So yes, I did try to catch opportunistic mafia when the opportunity presented itself, although I only thought about that question right before I posted it and even if Guillotine is/was mafia I don't know why he'd lie about that. Even now though I can't think of a solid way to catch opportunistic mafia with a silence.

I'm going to ignore the rest of your questions for now, sorry. But please do trust me when I say that I wouldn't silence people for no reason.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:14 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:09 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:12 am
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:10 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:46 am
Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:42 pm Are 112 and JPIC consensus not-town-reads?
Myself and Mac view 112 as not mafia.
Mac is dead ofc so

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:32 pm In my time in post cap jail I observed HK essentially outing himself as mafia. I believe HK and 112 are teammates.

Oh right ok well maybe I'm wrong on 112. Would still prefer to axe the actively-scummy hk first.
Why do you scumread HK?
His reads show no progression and he continued to push the ted wagon for bad reasons after being shown that his stated reasons were invalid. He said he was going after ted due to a couple of d0 posts as well as the fact that ted was being defensive & deflective. I told him to look at ted's iso and point out where ted was being defensive. Hk's response was essentially "ok well he's not being defensive but he's still lock scum for the d0 stuff". This was on d2. Absolutely no progression on the read, and when ted flipped town hk's reads didn't change at all. Personally, when I find out that I was that wrong on someone, my reads are shaken at least a little.

He also keeps stating that my read on 112 is strange. I've repeatedly said that it's a weak town read due to a hunch I have on Esooa's meta. Hk is calling me scum because I don't have a read on 112. I'll ask you jpic, has 112 done anything especially alignment-indicative this game? I disagree that he hasn't been solvy... he hasn't posted a ton of questions, but he's been posting his reads and he tried to engage ted on d2 when he was pushing him (note: 112 wasn't here on d1 and d3 was a crapshoot). I don't think I've received a response from hk about what "not solvy" really means to him, but that's the only objection he has to 112's play. Considering this, it's very odd that hk's main complaint about me is that I'm defending 112 when hk's read of 112 is so weak and vague.

Those two reasons are the main reasons for why I suspect hk.
Regardless of this, HK isn't getting lynched today.

Talk about someone else.

Yes I know.
I'd be ok with LC or falcon being killed today.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:53 pm So it means you think falcon and I are wolfmates. Sub-par slang IMO.

No it specifically means I think falcon's post is indicative of him being your mafia buddy.
Your response to him wasn't Oscar-worthy either, to say the least.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:03 pm If I'm mafia, and I control the tie between two civilians, do I pick Wilgy (25 posts) or JPIC (significantly more thread presence) to die?

jpic had already had a wagon on him and was actively being discussed as an execution option. He also never had a vote on him to save him on d3 (unlike Wilgy, who was voted by Jack at one point).

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:49 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:59 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:26 pm Has anyone claimed the Neighborhood Yeet ability? Was it TSP?
Would love an answer to this sooner rather than later btw @TonyStarkPrime @hollowkatt @Epignosis
I don't know what this means.

I suspect that the ability which created the special execution mechanic on d3 is the same one that created the special execution mechanic today. It doesn't make any sense for them to be two separate abilities (what would happen if they were both used at the same time?)
Also, dunya was given a ton of mana for n2 and I don't think anyone gave her mana for n3, so how would Tony execute this special ability unless it was initially triggered n2 and this is just an after-effect?
What I'm getting at is that TSP is probably mafia. And that, unfortunately, I'm probably wrong on hk and that he's likely town after all.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:47 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:59 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:26 pm Has anyone claimed the Neighborhood Yeet ability? Was it TSP?
Would love an answer to this sooner rather than later btw @TonyStarkPrime @hollowkatt @Epignosis
Hello. I have done it. I have also been silenced. The purpose of the neighborhood is as follows: this ability gains its power from the existence of the confirmed town epi. I will plan on sheeping whatever Epi decides (barring him making a stupid decision or disappearing). However, I only have 10 posts to use in the thread and I have to use posts to vote so HK and Epi speak for me today.

Would also love to know why you silenced me. smh. [VOTE: urist] aubergine that's not nice.

Because there's a beneficial side to my action and I knew you'd be the least affected since you'd most likely be able to speak through a neighborhood today.
Also because I couldn't silence Guillotine on consecutive nights.

I silenced TSP. He can still make 10 posts today, not sure why he's not using them.
Did he claim to have created the special yeet mechanic today or not? If he didn't cause this mechanic, who did he neighborize last night?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:26 pm Has anyone claimed the Neighborhood Yeet ability? Was it TSP?

Would love an answer to this sooner rather than later btw @TonyStarkPrime @hollowkatt @Epignosis

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:18 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:17 pm Why didn't you use your ability on n1 jpic?
What makes you think that I didn't?

I know you're being flippant, but I'll answer seriously anyway. No mark tokens were given out on N1.

Why didn't you use your ability on n1 jpic?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:28 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:28 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:26 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:55 pm You all can continue as you will but I'm asking this:

Name your top suspect.
Name your top civilian.
Epi civvy, LC sus
This is the worst. Pretty sure you can't pick a confirmed town as your top civilian, the exercise is supposed to get your opinions. And jumping on Enrique's weird fantasy is doubly shady.

Town: TSP
Scum: falcon
Sorry, I didn't read that rule anywhere. Interesting you single me out, when others did the same.

It wouldn't be because I'm sussing you, right?

No, thats never why
Beep beep
Is that like... the Road Runner?

No it's the sound a bus makes.

Has anyone claimed the Neighborhood Yeet ability? Was it TSP?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:31 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:16 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:37 pm In a world where exactly one player in @Sloonei ’s poe is town, its Enrique.
I listed 6 players and we know there are only 4 mafia. So at least 2 of them should be town.
you're reading for content but the context is also important to note.
what does this mean?
That of all the people you list Jack is most confident in Enrique?
Also, why isn't Urist in your POE of 6?
I get that. I was just saying that there should be one other town-read in there if he’d be comfortable giving one.

I don’t know. People don’t seem to be suspecting Urist when I ask for suspects. I thought someone implied there was a mechanical reason to view him as town.

I am just pooling together what seems to be the consensus opinion among the responses I’ve gotten. I haven’f actually read stuff.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:39 pm I think Urist/112 are tied together with the way Urist handled Bolas and the way he's town reading the slot even without being able to commit to a townread on 112 themselves. Yeah, I get not having read through all the posts yet, that's fair
If we yeet Urist, and he’s mafia, I get a vig shot. I am currently aiming it at 112 right now.

Get ready, folks

Spoiler: show

I'm not mafia, sorry to disappoint you. If you're town you've wasted your ability.

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