The Syndicate

gg everyone

glad that I was night-killed tbh, I wouldn't have had much spare time for the rest of the game xD

Welp we gotta get the next two guesses right

because we're out of miseliminations

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:50 pm He's mentioned every other player today except for TSP.

I honestly hadn't thought to check for this.

But I don't know which weighs more heavily on me, Chuck or Made.

I think and feel atm if Made is town then yes we certainly go for TSP/Chuck.

I'm not sure if I want to live through a world where Chuck flips town though, before Made flips, and having to live through that because knowing Made's flip (IMO) will help solve TSP's slot and by extension Chuck's as well since they're both voting the same person.

If you have any additional questions, please put them into a single post. I only have 5 more posts till EoD now.

I mean, I did defend Chardonnay earlier on this to TSP, I believe. Maybe I gave him some counterargument he found worthwhile.

Although, If you somehow in my perceived unlikelihood of flipping town I likely will look into TSP more for that point, then I do think that aspect becomes more suspicious.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:55 pm But his vote is on speed. That’s weird.

Martin, when did you decided speedchuck was not the way?

They have only one vote.

Can't have suspicious along-side his primary suspects, now can he?

For your question, see here.

Special note that "reconsider" does not mean that I will be changing my read on him. However its possible I may do that in tandem or respect to TSP because if both were wolves I doubt they would do this in the middle of D2:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:42 am
chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:24 am D1 Speed chuck was hard to figure out since I thought the thing about copping Tony's partner just seemed like a joke, but i did want him to out the result for curiosity. He backed off later and said it was a post restriction thing. I did take his word at face value, and didnt press it since i didnt see it as particularly useful info to pick at.

I think post restrictions should be treated as non-AI this game. Not sure if i have said that already.

I do think that Speed tying up the votes is probably the singerly most scummy thing he has done this game. Like, its scummy wheather or not Marmot turns out to be scum. Giving mafia the chance to choose who to shoot means they can build WIFOM on a player that was garnering suspicion, (Marmot in this case).

Really only argument i can think of for town doing this is not knowing better, I dont have the experince w/ Speed to know if town them makes a mistake like that.

So yes, i do scum lean Speed.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:35 am Tony SR was fueled by spinning non-ai things about me as if they were scummy.

Just seemed like he was saying things for the sake of putting reads out there, but not really thinking about it in a slovely way. If that makes sense.

Of course im not very familiar with Tony, so there could be method to the madness.
Sort by character count become WW expert?

Char puts almost zero thought into this read on me, puts paragraphs in on Speed, and still inexplicably has a bloodlust for the groundhog

Actually I think in both worlds (Scum/Town Made) I start reconsidering Chardonnay.

I get the feeling that the bar for who counts as "Town" either raises higher or starts to get more confusing; since I work on a more or less relative scale or progression of who's town and who's not.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:44 pm Okay, so martin is really really REALLY far off. And now I’m scared he’s town.

Ik you’re low on post, but Martin, if I’m town, who is bad here and why?

IF you're town then I probably would start reconsidering Chardonnay, along with a close analysis of TSP.

I'm kinda hoping that you flip scum so I can lazily give town points to TSP and just pretend I've solved him.

Honestly @Long Con I get the feeling one of us is likely to get shot tonight.

I think both of us are possibly quite difficult to delete from a scum perspective, and if one of is scum, or someone else is scum and wants to paint that picture, then one of us probably dies anyways or gets shot.

On the off-chance it is you who gets shot, I would encourage you to post how you feel/thinking/read about anyone else before night 2 ends.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:38 pm And that was @ mr con, Martín, not you. I think long con is Townie. I was just saying that other players think he’s town as well. It’s a whole thing

Oh I see. I misinterpreted.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:12 pm Esooa (3): TSP, made, Chuck
Marmot (3): Chardonnay, Mac, LC
TSP (2): martin, marmot
Chuck (1): esooa

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:16 pm Well that’s lame. Sorry Esooa

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:12 pm The whole Martin not breaking the tie but voicing concern for ties is stupid weird. Like I don’t see the town angle unless he’s also believed that it was possible the host post was lying, which is something I feel like he would of voiced by now if that were the case

If the tie is such a concern to you, how come you didn't bring it up earlier? You responded rather quite quickly how the vote/execution was "Lame". When D2 comes, your first vote isn't on me or Marmot (because we were both possible people for breaking the tie if we wanted to), but rather on speedchuck.

Are you kidding me I closed every vote tag and yet it freaks it anyways

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:23 pm Now stop scum reading me cuz I think ur town

That's not what the vote says.

Also:

Made wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:55 pm Yeah, nah that’s a yikes speedchuck is bad here
[VOTE: SpeedChuck] aubergine

Made wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:54 pm [VOTE: Martin] aubergine
this is the way

Made wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:02 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:00 pm honestly WHY DONT WE YEET THE HIGHEST POSTER IN THE GAME
i mean if it really bothers you
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Made wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:54 pm [VOTE: [VOTE: Martinplease don't be mad at me] aubergine] aubergine

[VOTE:

This voting pattern and dancing around me also feels and looks bad from any angle and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Made flips scum that I would appear to be a possible scum buddy.

Other people have taken what seems to be more firmer stances about me, and I'm not really "in the middle".] aubergine

The rub is, is that I'm not really sure what worlds are most plausible with a !scum Made yet.

Though I have moved my vote to him.

Oh and I would like to emphasize one thing:

Long Con should be lock-town IMO, his whole progression for D2 feels very genuine, and while perhaps a scum could replicate it at certain points I really don't think that's plausible.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:35 pm Man the baddies are really coming out of the woodwork to jump on lil old me.

You guys have grievances you wanna talk about? Those would be good.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:18 pm Jeez I forgot this game existed for like 24 hours.

To respond to the question someone asked, I'm vanilla at the moment. Maybe that changes, maybe I have an ability and don't know what it is, but right now I'm vanilla.

This game doesn't feel very bastard. I was honestly expecting a clusterfuck and here we are actually solving at things.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:22 pm Don't know anything about Martin's meta but I'm inclined to disagree with LC a little.

The "Yeah you think I'm scum but for dumb reasons and I am indignant about those reasons" thing isn't universal. It's something some players do, but I'm not one of them. I don't like the 'I'm a high poster' defense, but I could see a town person making it.

It's still sus for him not to break the tie on D1, but I don't see a scum motive for doing it either.

Martin could be scum. He's a little overdefensive, but I think the self-righteous defense rings genuine. It's like he got obsessed with the tunnel and was building up for an 'I told you so' if he flips.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:26 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:07 am Oh yeah, Made exudes town looking paranoia several times this game. Expressing concerns over things that I dont think mafia would be comfortable asserting. Like the "Maybe mod OP is lie, and ties aren't mafia kill choice" line.

I think tonally he looks town over all I'd say.

-/-/-/-

Ill lookit LC tomorrow.
So (I was looking at Char and remembered this:)

The 'maybe OP lies and ties aren't mafia choice' is just the worst thing. -EV. Not a helpful observation. It's like observing that 'Maybe Esoaa was scum and the flip was a lie.' It's unhelpful for town to consider calling those bluffs, because it's what we have to work with.

Don't remember the context, but if Made was going 'Eh, don't worry about the Tie,' that's bad. If they were being subtle about it, that's worse.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:29 pm [VOTE: Made] aubergine

Seeing a lot of egging on from the sidelines to push people in direction, not a whole lot of leading or genuine consideration of points? It is hilarious, but I have no idea where Made stands.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:30 pm Iduno maybe I should just say 'Vibe' I'm having trouble articulating why Made's ISO is meh to me

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:52 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:26 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:07 am Oh yeah, Made exudes town looking paranoia several times this game. Expressing concerns over things that I dont think mafia would be comfortable asserting. Like the "Maybe mod OP is lie, and ties aren't mafia kill choice" line.

I think tonally he looks town over all I'd say.

-/-/-/-

Ill lookit LC tomorrow.
So (I was looking at Char and remembered this:)

The 'maybe OP lies and ties aren't mafia choice' is just the worst thing. -EV. Not a helpful observation. It's like observing that 'Maybe Esoaa was scum and the flip was a lie.' It's unhelpful for town to consider calling those bluffs, because it's what we have to work with.

Don't remember the context, but if Made was going 'Eh, don't worry about the Tie,' that's bad. If they were being subtle about it, that's worse.
maybe its personal pref but i feel most scum avoid making blatant unhelpful/anti-town observations for the exact reason that they could get SR'd for it

These are all the D2 posts so far by chuck.

This guy, if scum, isn't interested in spew or anti-spew even when he quite swiftly came under a lot of pressure. At the very least I would've expected something with TSP but that's not happening and his primary interest is him stating he's vanilla and then jumping right to giving his thoughts or comments on me and then on Made.

And given the general climate (or lack thereof with regards to the thread towards him) I think we should ignore chopping him for today.

I'm also believing everyone else's points on Made are valid.

I will shamelessly admit that I have ignored Made in the past simply because Mac decided to town read him exclusively off the entrance, as well as other people I think such as Chardonnay (whom I was feeling as possibly town and still do, but I haven't been dead-set on him being absolutely town).

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:46 pm This post sure as hell didn't age well.

yeah I know it turns out people aren't great at predicting what they will think or say in the near future

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:50 pm I moved my vote on the basis that I've been mostly lost on D1 and that they're town-reading eachother (the wagons) for the most part

which I wasn't expecting

Anyways, as of now I only have about 21 more posts before cap so if there's more chaos tomorrow I can't respond to much.

honestly if it comes to me or marmot I would rather die than to see LC tunnel any further

I'm guessing if I'm not up for the platter by EoD then LC just votes marmot and then marmot flips villa and then LC looks at a recent post of mine talking about how the tie kill and the NK was palnned to spew nothing about marmot and so clearly martin is just open-wolfing scum anyways

Made
1
9%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
Marmot
2
18%
Voters: speedchuck, Made
Martin
1
9%
Voters: Long Con
Chuck
2
18%
Voters: MartinGG99, Marmot

Huh.

This tunnel is quite frankly ridiculous and I believe I warned about it earlier

at least you talked to me for quite some time about it; it would've been more unpleasant had you come to that conclusion without interacting further

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:14 pm I've only mentioned the possibility once, and it was certainly not "I think that if Martin is bad then Marmot is bad", I just said "I guess it makes most sense if Marmot is your partner?" when pressed to come up with reasons wolf-Martin acts that way.

Honestly voting me (which implies I'm your top scum-read) and then raising the possibility of me + someone else

is acting like believing in it more regardless, especially with the concept of "I guess it makes most sense if X"

At that moment I did feel he was possibly town though. I don't see wagons and counter-wagons TR'ing each other often and I felt with this unique opportunity I could be wrong on both of them because originally I wanted one or both of them eliminated.

Well, If marmot was town or mafia.

I would've likely ensured Esooa's elimination with the context of that day. Marmot had more overall activity at the time I think, and Esooa didn't really react up until around 2 hours prior to EoD if I recall.

Yes, this is sort of an NAI way of looking at things but if Marmot was town then with his higher activity there would be more content that would help me be less lost about him and others.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:38 pm How could a villager possibly leave a tie that they could break?

I am addressing the main issue because I am that villager. There is no real "how" I can provide you other than what's been stated in the thread and if you want how then all you need to do is look at me during EoD.

If you find that "how" to be unsatisfactory then so be it. I've been arguing all this time trying to show (what I believe to be) is evidence that you could potentially see to realize that conclusion, where villagers never leave a tie they can break, is wrong.

I got no other choice other that vote-self and just ATE away like some asshole town who doesn't care about the game

like I have to prove my towniness

in order to defeat your conclusion that you believe in so much

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:25 pm "I was supposed to get extra townreads off my post count, and I'm not, so I have to bring it up myself which sucks because someone else should have brought it up like I expected".

why is that a problem???

how the hells am I supposed to prove my towniness or show it in this situation where two of my town-reads are pushing me

without it being read as "I was expecting to get town-points off of this"

Honestly if I didn't town-read you earlier I would be SR'ing you.

I don't see why you think that my responses are bad and not beyond the range or are somehow plausible for a !wolf Martin to do.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:20 pm mechanical role or alignment check

ebwop

Actually, I think anything I feel is being used as exclusive evidence (other than a mechanical role check against a claim by me such as a redcheck) is just bound to irritate me to hell.

I don't think anything should be easily treated as exclusive evidence, or given the weight that it is given as compared to other pieces of evidence.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:11 pm What I keep seeing you do is argue against reasons that aren't my main reason. It feels like misdirection - I didn't suspect you because of a Marmot association, I suspected you because you did something I don't think a villager would ever do. I think it was a mistake, and maybe you had too many factors in play for that decision and you weighted their significance differently than I now do. You should have voted to break the tie, and you chose not to, and you now have a arguments against accusations that no one made as though you were preparing for them.

Yes well I can't take that as fact because ~~I am a villager~~.

To combat you on that reasoning, to me, required arguing for my towniness on other aspects. To say that there's other evidence at play here and I feel like that conclusion simply ignores them.

I think I was still roughly talking about that or hinted towards it when I mentioned "tunel" earlier and implied that I felt that my EoD and voting actions shouldn't be viewed as the exclusive evidence of my alignment.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:00 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:58 pm Like, for a big fucking example,

both as town and as mafia I generally create some sort of readwall on d1

read walls depending on how you can look at it can be viewed as having an agenda
yes, I remember in MC, you're reading like town you syntactically, that's not what I mean by an agenda. it just feels like you have vested interest in particular players being lynched in a way that other players haven't really voice.

I also don't like that LC, me, and speedchuck have all said some variation of "my role is a d0 power thing" and you and marmot have not, and both of you were voting speedchuck

Okay, so you're referring to pre-association flips, right?

But I think if Speed chuck does flip mafia then that may look bad on me as well for the pre-association flip.

To give a point, however: An idea or thought has to start somewhere. While some other people don't seem to have voiced the same thoughts I have, the primary purpose of stating those thoughts in the first place was to see how others felt about that. (Of course you could say that's a wolf testing the waters - _ -)

Oh jeeze I did double post

Sorry, didn't realize that's what its for

Nah its fine LC

you were upset by EoD

its concievable you would pursue me in questioning

Made however I just didn't expect at all

Edit: what the hell is a

You cannot make another post so soon after your last.

warning

Nah its fine LC

you were upset by EoD

its concievable you would pursue me in questioning

Made however I just didn't expect at all

-_-

jesus christ all of this just because I think Marmot is town and people are *are sooo* quick to think I am associated with him

like what the fuck

THIS IS TOTALLY MAFIA MARTIN

HE DOESNT GET SELF-CONSCIOUS AT ALL AND STARTS POSTING LESS

NOOOO

HE TOTALLY STARTS POSTING MORE THAN HE NORMALLY DOES

PROBABLY CUZ OF SOME GODAMM AGENDA HE HAS

CONTROLLING THE THREAD SINCE 1999 EVEN THOUGH HE WAS LOST D1

honestly WHY DONT WE YEET THE HIGHEST POSTER IN THE GAME

D0 = D1 btw

some people refer to it as such but this is besides the point

(This is ignoring the fact that I played most of D0 WITHOUT a damm clear clue as to who's mafia)

Like, for a big fucking example,

both as town and as mafia I generally create some sort of readwall on d1

read walls depending on how you can look at it can be viewed as having an agenda

Made wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:56 pm who seems to have a agenda

Oh, LOVELY.

Isn't that's how it is for me unless I play a game where I flip on my top town-reads twice back in Grasslands?

Or do I have to pull that shit again just so you can see I'm town or that I just *talk* like I have an agenda

what the hell man

Made why do you think I'm scum

also excuse me but what the fuck

Oh look.

Someone just tied up the vote under the belief it was EoD....as I happened to come back to the thread

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:21 pm those possibilities should not

ebwop

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