The Syndicate

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:36 pm Anyway, I'm here, clearly. I get really tired of defending myself and it isn't at all fun for me. So if you have questions you can lay them on me. Otherwise I'll continue posting song lyrics.

Sure. I'll lay off you for a bit and focus on making a PoE. What does your current PoE look like?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:10 pm It's going down
I'm yelling timber

Is it terrible that my brain jumps to reading PSV as an outed lolcatting wolf? Probably, I think regardless of her alignment she knows she's not going down for sure and wouldn't give up.

I didn't really like Quin scumread on Seanzie though. I'm getting similar vibes as Seanzie that he could be an easy and likely incorrect shrug wagon today and I don't get Quin's take on him.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:11 pm *SCREAMS*

My internet literally went out right as I was trying to post Quin quotes for the SECOND time. I'm not willing to try on my phone. Sorry @Thunal33 it'll have to wait, apparently that ISO is cursed.

It's fine, I can look myself. He's a bit hard to read because of his short off the cuff posting style, but I actually liked his reaction tests and prodding since it's a bit more putting himself out there than most scum are comfortable with.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:58 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:56 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:50 pm I'd like to ask those on my wagon where they will go when I flip town. What's the next move?
If you flip town I want to look at Pyxxy and he's also in my PoE but I'm not as confident about him. I don't like that he sheeped Seanzie on me and he's focusing on past games and mech a lot which could indicate him wanting to focus on things that are true instead of lying. I think you're unpaired with pyxxy and I also think the things that ping me about him could be a playstyle difference.
Good answer, pyxxy is a wildcard to me. He's playing a little different than usual but I don't get a baddie feel from him.

Pyxxy are you bad? Indy?

I have a tinfoil that Pyxxy is a weird scum role that doesn't get powers from art but I don't think that's particularly likely.

PSV is a moderately confident scumread, to the point where I think PSV flipping scum is more likely than PSV flipping town. There's still a glaring hole of PSV not caring about resolving Seanzie or me, her recent posts haven't made me feel better and I'm not convinced PSV thinking pyxxy is lying about the art is a real thought.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:50 pm I'd like to ask those on my wagon where they will go when I flip town. What's the next move?

If you flip town I want to look at Pyxxy and he's also in my PoE but I'm not as confident about him. I don't like that he sheeped Seanzie on me and he's focusing on past games and mech a lot which could indicate him wanting to focus on things that are true instead of lying. I think you're unpaired with pyxxy and I also think the things that ping me about him could be a playstyle difference.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:05 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:01 pm Anyway, I'd like to chop pyxxy, Seanzie, and I suppose Thunal, in roughly that order.
[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

cue being conflicted >:)

Any of your own reasons?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:29 pm art ≠ powers

I guess I did actually read the rules, but none of y'all did

I think you're pretty much never lying about the art thing regardless of alignment so I'm curious, did you think that you'd be given a role instead of having to make one up, or did you submit one but it didn't get a response, or was it something else?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:27 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:55 pm So I likely won't be around in the final hours of the day. I apparently have some sus on me even though I don't think anyone has vocalized anything about me, and so I want to give y'all a chance to actually talk to me. If you suspect me, let's get this cleared up now. None of this "shrug yeet Seanzie" bs that almost happened yesterday.
@Kate @potentialsheltervet @Quin @Scotty

anyone else?

I'll veto any wagon attempts on you and that's not going to change today.

And I'll ask the same for me. Shrug PoEing me honestly feels worse than voting me for legitimate reasons and if I get MLed I don't want anyone to hide behind "they were in my PoE/uninspiring/I sheeped Seanzie" after I flip town.

@Zenon were you assigned a piece of art or did you get one from the auction?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:07 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:05 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:03 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:21 am Pyxxy is bad.

For someone that is a self-described mech lover, why have you not even talked about mech this game? There’s many many claims, and your iso is mostly ‘oops, blush, die demon, creature deserved to die, I’m a little teacup’ type stuff.

You’ve said you don’t have time until at least d3, which like…ok. But you have enough time to fluff post. I know I’m one to talk- I feel like half my iso is just fluff.

But here’s the difference- my fluff is *attached* to my body. When you pet me, you realize you’re petting something living and breathing.
Your fluff is just floating in the wind, with nothing of substance attached; a proverbial hairball, if you will.

I just expect more of you with the amount of posts you have.

I’d vote for you but I also think roxy needs some pressure.
I'm multitabling by accident, I think I said this, and also somehow I didn't do the art right or didn't read correctly or didn't ping the right GM and didn't get a roll/role at all :/

if you want to chop me for this explanation I think that's pretty reasonable
Wait, you have no role?
yep, no special art powers

Huh, what PSV said is true that art would be assigned to you if you didn't get any, but I think lying about that would be pointless. Did you check your Discord for assigned art?

Also, I know there were two pieces of assigned art and I got one from Creature so he's one of the 2 people that didn't get any from the auction. There's only one other person and I have a hunch it's Camilla/Zenon since she was completely inactive d1.

PSV ISO:

Spoiler: show

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:03 pm

Honestly I've only read the first twoish pages and all I saw were her comments on art. Those are NAI for her
I'll say activity is NAI in general but especially so for genny. She tends to get misyoten more often when she's quiet and town. But sometimes she's just quiet and town
It's more about the zest and spark when she is here.

There seems to be an SDN consensus on Genny’s inactivity.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:05 pm

I don't think I've seen anything ai from Dubz. Slight town lean on Dennis thus far. Never seen him as scum tho

Read with a disclaimer which looks slightly wolfy.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:05 pm Quin's entrance was weird and Creature has been basically nonexistent.
I'm also wondering if this is typical Scotty we're seeing? He sounds a little... Unhinged I guess is the word I would use. That isn't what I saw from him in the only other game I played with him.

Mild paranoia that PSV doesn’t express suspicion on Scotty for being different here and only votes Scotty much later.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:50 pm No, sorry. If you're voting genny for having minimal content and not being around then that's almost a guaranteed bad play. Genny gets misvoted a lot in exactly this way.

I think shielding Genny in this manner looks slightly good if Genny is town.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:56 pm @Scotty Is the personal reason you think Seanzie is town? I'm scanning his ISO and he feels very similar to scum!Seanzie I played with recently.

Noted. I want to see how this evolves.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:27 pm My eyes are on Scotty after that EOD and Seanzie since he turned into the Creature CW.

Consistent with her d1 reads.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:57 pm

I have absolutely no idea. My initial thought during EOD was maybe you were partners with Creature but clearly that wasn't it.

This looks slightly good that she expressed this thought instead of not saying anything after Creature flipped town.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:08 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:05 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:27 pm My eyes are on Scotty after that EOD and Seanzie since he turned into the Creature CW.

No. Nothing exactly nothing about "turning into" a CW actually suggests something about my alignment.

What movement suggests this? Explain in detail please.

I have never explained anything in detail, but:
It feels like votes cascaded to creature after they started getting on you. At least in my memory.

This isn’t a bad reason but so far there’s a lack of actually pressuring Seanzie or reading into his content. I had wagon reasons to suspect Seanzie too, but that led me to look into his content and read it independently. This feels like using the wagon as a crutch.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:42 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:31 am

Do you think weird makes me good or bad?

Legitimately? I don't know, and I'm hoping praying for clarity works.
GTH I'd lean town.

Small town ping.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:46 pm

Falcon and pyxxy haven't been here enough for me to have any significant reads on them.
I've only played with Thunal once and it was a Mafia game. There she was louder and filled the space more. It was also a smaller game. I think I lean town here?

This is a fine analysis of my play.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:49 pm Actually, I think pyxxy was the one I questioned whether they were voting creature due to the whole lowposting as wolf business
@pyxxy How do you feel now?

Then she voted pyxxy shortly after. It could go either way imo, either a townie wanting to prod pyxxy or a wolf thinking he’s a reasonable vote.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:26 pm

I'm not going to tell you not to follow your gut, but I will say genny is commonly miselimmed because lowposting is just... Genny. Town genny gets voted often because her activity is low and content can be hard to decipher (no shade, just a statement). So unless she is well paired with other scum or says outright scummy things, it's more of a coin flip imo and I don't have good luck with rng.
Like, there is nothing here to distinguish genny's aff one way or the other. She's just gennying around.
Idk. @Dubz you've played with genny a lot, too. Agree? Disagree?

I think it’s a decent look that PSV continues to defend Genny’s low activity on meta instead of wavering.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:19 pm Hmm. Hmm.
What happened to Thunal?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:20 pm

Me. I oppose it and have said so multiple times.
I dislike voting out people who have barely been here to begin with but with genny it is proven to be a total gamble and I'd much prefer continuing to pressure pyxxy, Seanzie (somewhat, I guess, he baffles me), and Thunal.

This pings me. Why am I here? There's no followup or reasoning on me from when PSV townleaned me other than me not being there which was completely NAI. I also feel like PSV's Seanzie read is lazy. Like, Sean had a lot of readable content yesterday and today but there's a lack of PSV actually analyzing that content.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:54 am
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:49 am @potentialsheltervet why vote pyxxy?

Because I think he's scummy. I thought his reason to vote creature was lackluster and his defense of it when he came back was not so hot either.

I think this is fine and I had similar pings on him d1. Now it’s hard to tell whether those pings are a playstyle difference or not.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:01 pm Anyway, I'd like to chop pyxxy, Seanzie, and I suppose Thunal, in roughly that order.

How to Make Player Salad: A Guide

Player Salad is the signature dish of The Syndicate. Those of you who have been following this tournament closely may have seen one of our head chefs, JaggedJimmyJay, teach the recipe to his fellow townies in Game 6. Player Salad is a dish which can sometimes confound people, but it's really quite simple. The basic recipe is this: "I could lynch Player X, Y, or Z. Maybe W." I am not one to rigorously argue for "mafia tells", but for whatever reason this one has an unusually high success rate. I suppose the above-mentioned configuration suggests that the player lacks conviction, and simultaneously feels a need to compensate for that lack of conviction by lumping several players together in an indistinguishable blend of suspicion: A salad, if you will. I will not say that it is 100% accurate or foolproof, but I give it some weight.

Conclusion: I feel worse about PSV than I did before the ISO. There were a couple fairly big pings I had, like the lack of consideration she gave to Seanzie today beyond him being the CW and a general lack of curiosity about those in her PoE. I just don't get the sense she cares about finding wolves this game and there's a lack of scrutiny of Seanzie or me. I mean, two of her scumreads have a whole lot of interaction and one is tunneling the other. Is there nothing to gain from that?

[VOTE: PSV] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:53 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:28 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:05 am Although I'm struggling to find footing with scumreads, I do have some pretty confident townreads which is something:
Kate
Falcon
Seanzie
Lemonfairy

And my less confident townreads are Dennis, PSV, and Zenon.
Tell me about PSV.
I'm about to ISO her so I'll tell you about her in a bit.
I'd rather hear your thoughts pre-ISO.

Well it's a little late now lol, but my thoughts pre-ISO were that I had mixed feelings because she felt similar to Solar System and I thought her analysis of my play was decent, but I had paranoia about her tacking me onto the end of her PoE twice and I wanted to investigate Kate's read since I give that some weight.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:28 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:05 am Although I'm struggling to find footing with scumreads, I do have some pretty confident townreads which is something:
Kate
Falcon
Seanzie
Lemonfairy

And my less confident townreads are Dennis, PSV, and Zenon.
Tell me about PSV.

I'm about to ISO her so I'll tell you about her in a bit.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:29 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:04 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:01 pm Anyway, I'd like to chop pyxxy, Seanzie, and I suppose Thunal, in roughly that order.
This again. You're tacking me on to the end of your PoE without any reasoning for doing so and your only real reasoning had me as a tentative townlean. Commit to a scumread on me or don't scumread me at all.
"Again"? Have you addressed this at all?

Yes, I asked you why you had me in your PoE earlier and I posted a general post telling people to at least have a case on me if they scumread me.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:30 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:29 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine
Towny vote

He has no impetus to start a wagon on me as wolf imo

Don’t lynch quin

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:38 pm Like my d1 reads are generally Jackson Pollack paintings. But I feel confident Quin is town. Let’s get off him

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen

I still think Scotty's handling of EoD1 was towny. He seems more fluid, his snap townread on Quin leans town to me, and just the amount of view changing and purposeful vote switching is difficult to fake.

I think the post I quoted looks fairly good for Dubz because of the observation of Lemon sussing Scotty for switching votes when she did it too. @Dubz why did you end up voting Quin and what are your reasons on him?

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:05 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:00 pm Dubz ISO:
Spoiler: show

Dubz wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:40 pm I enjoy the vibes here but I've got shit for reads from them
This actually reads as slight town.
Dubz wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:18 am
You didn't ask me but since I've played with genny for a long long time...

Activity level is NAI for her. She's always fun but her content when she's present is more balanced between jokes and solving when she's village, whereas scum!genny tends to have a lower signal:noise ratio.

I don't think she's posted enough yet to get a read here
Noting this to see how it evolves.
Dubz wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:21 am [VOTE: quin ] aubergine

Just vibez
Not a huge fan of this vote and the “just vibez” reasoning. It kind of felt like she had a need to give reasoning.
Dubz wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:22 pm
Was wondering about this too. The pop in to say it was quiet and then disappearance again feels like crossover Creature. Which...granted is the only Creature I'm familiar with lol

I will look back at Kate's d1 from the game falcon posted if I get the chance but I'm about to see Across the Spider-Verse!!!

[VOTE: Creature ] aubergine
Votes Creature for being quiet.
Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:37 am Okay fine I will do my own vote tracking homework. There's an emoji I would use here if y'all weren't lacking in emoji selection.

I did read that D1 that falcon posted for v!Kate. I'm not seeing the disparity he's seeing...tone feels similar to me.

Still raising an eyebrow on Quin, I'm not convinced by Scotty's assertion that he'd never start the wagon there as a wolf, but I really need to see vote progression to decide so I'll work on that. I am thoroughly confused by the Sean sus. Scotty's vote hopping leans more town imo.

I would love to get reads on my SDN peeps but genny is too absent and I am horrible, terrible, no good, very bad at reading PSV the latter feels okay so far though

Overall feeling kinda lost which is typical for me when I don't know people

quin - bad
thun - mild nausea
falcon - meh to not great
pyxxy - throat tickle
genny - ???
lemon - exists?
Roxy - whomst?
Zenon - just arrived
PSV - tentatively alright
Scotty - decent
Sean - sailboats are fine
Kate - okay?
Dennis - okay

I am not comfy enough to call strong village on anyone which is hampering my usual solving methods
Doesn’t have many takes on anyone. She seems to have some pressure on herself to get more reads which could go either way.
Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:48 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:10 am I don’t like lemonfairy’s voting at end of day.

Should I?

Because I don’t.
Just finished vote tracking spreadsheet and I don't like it either tbh

@Lemonfairy can you talk about your D1 votes pls?

Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:56 am [VOTE: lemon ] aubergine
Still looking over Quin and Thunal...I think both have scum equity but not sure I see them as partnered so there's that
A bit of a sheep vote on Scotty which imo isn’t good. Dubz’ reasoning on Lemon is very shallow and realistically Lemon’s vote hopping isn’t necessarily scummy. Not to mention she’s sheeping Scotty of all people who vote hopped a lot at EoD yet doesn’t get the same scrutiny.

Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:27 pm Yeah I agree. I've played with genny for...some number of years. More than 5 probably. I'm pretty decent at reading her when she's around, but activity level is entirely NAI for her. She's just gets really busy/life gets hectic sometimes, it has happened regardless of her aff and she doesn't slank just because she's wolfing.
I think this looks decent and consistent with her earlier post on genny.
Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:11 pm Actually yes, let's let this ruminate

[VOTE: quin ] aubergine
There’s no real explicit change on Lemon from Dubz. She switches after Lemon’s return but didn’t engage with Lemon at all or openly change her read.
Tldr: She's in my PoE and I had a few pings from her. She's hard to read because her thought process isn't very open. I think her vote on Lemonfairy and vote off Lemonfairy were both somewhat wolfy.
Er, flat out wrong that I didn't engage with lemon at all, I talked to her several times and was questioning her about her Scotty read and her own vote movements. Those conversations are what made me feel better about her.

I also did talk about why Scotty's vote movements were different in my eyes and less suspect than lemon's, that was part of that whole conversation.

Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:06 pm
I'm not actually saying that I felt you were doing the same as Scotty. I'm saying I felt like you were doing what you've accused Scotty of. I can track why Scotty was switching votes, yours were floating on the breeze with no rhyme or reason. So fmpov it's really odd for you to sus him for that reason. If he made a towncred grab for it, I missed it.

What did you learn from those counterwagons?

You're right, and I actually did miss this post. I started ISOing you, took a break, then came back by reading the posts I had grabbed and I think I mistook where I left off.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:01 pm Anyway, I'd like to chop pyxxy, Seanzie, and I suppose Thunal, in roughly that order.

This again. You're tacking me on to the end of your PoE without any reasoning for doing so and your only real reasoning had me as a tentative townlean. Commit to a scumread on me or don't scumread me at all.

Dubz ISO:

Spoiler: show

Dubz wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:40 pm I enjoy the vibes here but I've got shit for reads from them

This actually reads as slight town.

Dubz wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:18 am
You didn't ask me but since I've played with genny for a long long time...

Activity level is NAI for her. She's always fun but her content when she's present is more balanced between jokes and solving when she's village, whereas scum!genny tends to have a lower signal:noise ratio.

I don't think she's posted enough yet to get a read here

Noting this to see how it evolves.

Dubz wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:21 am [VOTE: quin ] aubergine

Just vibez

Not a huge fan of this vote and the “just vibez” reasoning. It kind of felt like she had a need to give reasoning.

Dubz wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:22 pm
Was wondering about this too. The pop in to say it was quiet and then disappearance again feels like crossover Creature. Which...granted is the only Creature I'm familiar with lol

I will look back at Kate's d1 from the game falcon posted if I get the chance but I'm about to see Across the Spider-Verse!!!

[VOTE: Creature ] aubergine

Votes Creature for being quiet.

Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:37 am Okay fine I will do my own vote tracking homework. There's an emoji I would use here if y'all weren't lacking in emoji selection.

I did read that D1 that falcon posted for v!Kate. I'm not seeing the disparity he's seeing...tone feels similar to me.

Still raising an eyebrow on Quin, I'm not convinced by Scotty's assertion that he'd never start the wagon there as a wolf, but I really need to see vote progression to decide so I'll work on that. I am thoroughly confused by the Sean sus. Scotty's vote hopping leans more town imo.

I would love to get reads on my SDN peeps but genny is too absent and I am horrible, terrible, no good, very bad at reading PSV the latter feels okay so far though

Overall feeling kinda lost which is typical for me when I don't know people

quin - bad
thun - mild nausea
falcon - meh to not great
pyxxy - throat tickle
genny - ???
lemon - exists?
Roxy - whomst?
Zenon - just arrived
PSV - tentatively alright
Scotty - decent
Sean - sailboats are fine
Kate - okay?
Dennis - okay

I am not comfy enough to call strong village on anyone which is hampering my usual solving methods

Doesn’t have many takes on anyone. She seems to have some pressure on herself to get more reads which could go either way.

Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:48 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:10 am I don’t like lemonfairy’s voting at end of day.

Should I?

Because I don’t.
Just finished vote tracking spreadsheet and I don't like it either tbh

@Lemonfairy can you talk about your D1 votes pls?

Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:56 am [VOTE: lemon ] aubergine
Still looking over Quin and Thunal...I think both have scum equity but not sure I see them as partnered so there's that

A bit of a sheep vote on Scotty which imo isn’t good. Dubz’ reasoning on Lemon is very shallow and realistically Lemon’s vote hopping isn’t necessarily scummy. Not to mention she’s sheeping Scotty of all people who vote hopped a lot at EoD yet doesn’t get the same scrutiny.

Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:27 pm Yeah I agree. I've played with genny for...some number of years. More than 5 probably. I'm pretty decent at reading her when she's around, but activity level is entirely NAI for her. She's just gets really busy/life gets hectic sometimes, it has happened regardless of her aff and she doesn't slank just because she's wolfing.

I think this looks decent and consistent with her earlier post on genny.

Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:11 pm Actually yes, let's let this ruminate

[VOTE: quin ] aubergine

There’s no real explicit change on Lemon from Dubz. She switches after Lemon’s return but didn’t engage with Lemon at all or openly change her read.

Tldr: She's in my PoE and I had a few pings from her. She's hard to read because her thought process isn't very open. I think her vote on Lemonfairy and vote off Lemonfairy were both somewhat wolfy.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:41 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:22 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:57 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:46 pm as you can see, I am just a silly lemon and definitely not evil or nefarious
Ironically, we’re now seeing the OMGUS juxtaposition that zenon was talking about with you
Uh huh, but now that it's been brought up it can't be used to read alignment effectively.
Though I think lemonfairy is more likely not a hit. Her posts give me the same vibe as when she was getting mischopped last game (solar system).
You mean the absolute silence? Your unwavering defense of her has just made me more confident and has also made me doubt your towniness. I mean defending a low posting friend is one thing, but you're taking it over the top. So either one of two things is happening. 1. You are bad and know she town or, more likely imo, youre partners.

This was after Lemonfairy's return btw.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:34 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:05 am Although I'm struggling to find footing with scumreads, I do have some pretty confident townreads which is something:
Kate
Falcon
Seanzie
Lemonfairy

And my less confident townreads are Dennis, PSV, and Zenon.
I'm reading psv now. Something rang wrong in her posts yesterday but I can't quite put my finger on it. An iso is in order.

I will look at her more closely. My townlean on her was more feels than anything - I thought her approach was similar to Solar System and she didn't give me any scum pings in real time.

Although I'm struggling to find footing with scumreads, I do have some pretty confident townreads which is something:
Kate
Falcon
Seanzie
Lemonfairy

And my less confident townreads are Dennis, PSV, and Zenon.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:57 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:59 pm @Dennis @Seanzie what are you seeing in @Thunal33 ?
Just realized I forgot to respond to this.

I haven't played with Thun in a while, but one of the things she would do as town and have a hard time replication as scum was a sort of paranoia/worry about being wrong, which I don't see here. It has been a while, but people are slow to change, so this worries me. She also re-used almost exactly the same read on me from long ago, which scum sometimes do by accident (I purposefully put people in similar situations with regard to me game after game because it is sometimes easy to tell when someone has a genuine new townie reaction verses someone recycling an old townie reaction). Finally, kind of a micro-read but the way she is writing her sentences is scum-indicative IMO. It is passive with many modifiers/qualifiers, which tends to come from someone wanting to look like they're considering things rather than someone writing stream of consciousness or excited about having figured out this or that.

I'll worry about being wrong when I have a confident scumread, and I'll get excited when I have a confident scumread. So far I haven't had one. And about the qualifiers thing, it's actually towny for me in a weird way. Last game I started out (as wolf) by purposely not using words like "but" like I avoided when I used to play actively, got widely townread, and then realized I could sprinkle in the occasional "but" or qualifier. This game I took that with me and felt relieved that I could speak more naturally with qualifiers especially when I realized how different my town game was to the wolf game I just had. I took the approach that since I'm town people would find me if I spoke naturally.

This also solidifies my townread on you. I think this depth of observation is pretty much textbook town!Seanzie and difficult to replicate.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:21 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:19 pm Well that’s embarrassing

wow forgot he died
Derp clear denied

Honestly, this is part of the paranoia I mentioned on Scotty. I know that after Creature flipped I immediately was annoyed I was wrong, wondered about Seanzie's alignment, and really hoped I didn't make a determining vote for a town on t/w wagons. There were a whole bunch of emotions and thoughts going through my head and I would not just forget Creature flipped town. I'd expect town Scotty to not easily forget too, especially repeated times.

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:16 am
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:59 pm @Dennis @Seanzie what are you seeing in @Thunal33 ?
There was the push on seanzie I talked about before, but I also don't really like how they are sorta surface level with their reads. Like how they townread my paranoia before, and townread me struggling to put into words why I found their seanzie push sus

I never pushed Seanzie. I made a single post saying I didn't townread him but I didn't scumread him on content and I didn't actually push him. I townread him after his posting today.

Also, welcome to my town game. I look for little tells that come from a town or scum mindset because I think they're usually more effective than generalizations. Trust me, I could easily come up with better/more convincing reasons if I were scum.

On a side note I don't think I'd be PoEd this easily if the game were easy. I think there's at least one deepwolf, probably multiple and I'll do digging today to find them. I have some paranoia on Scotty rn.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:03 pm guess this is another game where lemon gets misexed earlygame for having spicy reads that other people don't agree with and no one cares enough to think twice

Yeah, Lemon is town. Get off her.

If you're voting me or scumreading me please have an actual case on me. I was feeling sick last night so I couldn't be as active as I would like, and I was multigaming all d1. Me being "uninspiring" or "not that active" isn't scummy. Sheeping Seanzie's read is also bad because he suspects me pretty much every game we play together.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:05 pm actually, I'd go for Thunal first and then look at Seanzie again after if Thunal flips red
because it kind of reminds me of what Seanzie was doing to Epi in a previous game

Still have a lot to catch up on but I'm actually liking Lemon's posting. Her skipping to thinking Seanzie/me are distancing because of a previous game is the kind of out there thought that imo is easier to actually think than to fabricate.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:50 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:36 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:13 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:11 pm Hey, what I miss?
What do you think of Kate?
She's prolly town, I think I was reading too much into things.

What's your take on Thunal?

If Thunal is right, then you supposedly visited Kate.

Do you have any mech info on who killed Porscha praytell?

Well, I guess the cat's out of the bag...

Alignment check on Kate is Town
Jc. Dump much?

I mean it's pretty much my fault it got dumped lol. I said Falcon and Zenon visited you and figured Falcon's visit was an investigative ability. Zenon claimed to protect you.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:46 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:56 pm Sean might hate this but I townlean him for giving off the cuff reads, specifically him suspecting me since I know he always suspected me when we played together.
@Thunal33 I know you said you don't TR Seanzie any more. Do you think his case on you is genuine or do you feel it falls into this category that you mentioned earlier?

Now I do again. His tunnel on me today is town!Seanzie behavior. He often suspects me when we play together and his stubbornness in tunneling me and trying to get everyone to follow is towny for him.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:20 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:07 pm Tell me has lemon omgused anyone this game lol
Nope, not that I've seen. Honestly I can't remember a single one of her posts.

Tbf, Lemon didn't have much chance to OMGUS people while she was online since she didn't get voted until today.

Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:28 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:48 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:10 am I don’t like lemonfairy’s voting at end of day.

Should I?

Because I don’t.
Lemonfairy has given me none of her usual town zest (hehehe)

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:53 pm I think it's a good thing we're putting pressure on Lemonfairy and I don't have a strong read there. Her EoD voting was weird but not necessarily scummy and I get the feeling she'll be quite a bit more readable when she returns.
What is she usually like as town?

I only played one game with her and she got eliminated d1 but from what I could see she suspected people who pushed her but pointed out what her pings were, tried to convince people of her reads, and was frustrated at being mischopped. She had a lot more content there than she did here.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:04 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:29 pm Seanzie I don't townlean anymore since I think there's a good chance the Sean wagon was pure and wolves would be more likely to want him dead if he's town over ML bait Creature imo.
I'm really not following this

So because the seanzie wagon was pure, the wolves would have joined and pushed him over rather than killing creature? Is that right?

Well that all relies on the seanzie wagon being pure, which I sort of find hard to believe as a main wagon at eod1. It's possible but I'd need to look at his voters

It's like, being a wagon doesn't directly make you a suspect and that wagon felt empty from the start

I feel like this makes less sense but I'm struggling to find the words right now. If you could go into more depth explaining this I'd appreciate it

I think this post is towny from Dennis. He could have sheeped Seanzie and stopped there, but he questioned my logic in this sort of scatterbrained and struggling to find the words way. I'd lean that it's him having a feeling but not knowing how to say it which is towny.

I think it's a good thing we're putting pressure on Lemonfairy and I don't have a strong read there. Her EoD voting was weird but not necessarily scummy and I get the feeling she'll be quite a bit more readable when she returns.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:56 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:53 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:10 am I think it is best for town to be upfront with what we did. Our power is not easily judged by our art.
I have some info. I have 3 pieces of art, 2 from the auction and 1 that I got from voting Creature. I roleblocked Pyxxy with Dennis's essay and watched Kate with Yoda. Zenon and Falcon visited Kate. I thought Falcon had targeted Kate with an investigative ability considering he scumread Kate, which is why I pinged him specifically when I shared my concerns about Kate. I also tried an alignment cop check with the "auctions are for losers" assigned art but it failed.
Wait not only can we collect more than 1 piece of art, we can use multiple actions in 1 night?

Holy shit I’ve never felt so VT

Yes but max 2 successful actions. I think you can use a role from the museum and your art in the same night.

I don't scumread Kate btw. When I was away from the thread I realized that although I was sorting Seanzie and went back and forth a bit in my head, I came to that he was town for his tunnel and only expressed that in the thread. I think Kate could be town that did similar with Falcon. I'm also willing to sheep Falcon's take on Kate today if it is an investigative result like I think it is.

Zenon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:00 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:50 am Hmm thunal's iso is struggling to make me feel anything at all

Alright this is like 85% sheeping Seanzie [VOTE: thunal] aubergine
Opportunistic vote milord

What's your read on me?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:26 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:25 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:13 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:46 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine
Is this the whole "creature is quiet and disengaged when scum" thing again?
bingo
as in

I literally could not believe it was that simple of a case last time

I am trying to do a better job of not playing 4d chess when I don't have to

ez early vote with little consequence and if he does flip scum later I'll look great

and if he doesn't who would really blame me

Btw this is why I roleblocked pyxxy last night. This post gave me a couple pings at the same time - "if he flips scum later I'll look great" and "if he doesn't who would really blame me". It's so self-conscious. Pyxxy wasn't concerned about being right, he was concerned about how he'd look.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:14 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:01 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:40 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:26 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:18 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:16 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:14 pm
Interesting dynamic you’ve got going here. Was your last post directed at me meant to be interrogative RE my vote for Kate? Do you think I might have had a better read that you wanted me to expound upon or just playing the fence here?
Yes. I still townlean you and I wanted to know if or why you wanted Kate chopped because that was a minor point of paranoia.
Tell me about me. Am I a good D1 chop? Why didn't you vote me yesterday?
I didn't vote you yesterday because I townleaned you. I thought you specifically making the observation that my townlean was too copy and paste from other games showed some towny paranoia. Now with the Porscha NK and me townreading Scotty and Quin, I'm not convinced you're town but your d1 content was slightly towny.
Tell me about Quin.
I thought his mechanical RT was towny since he was willingly putting himself into suspicion for it and I thought his legacy post and vote on Scotty then following it up with doubting his read was towny.
It clearly wasn't actually a RT though, and I think him saying it was is weird.

I had to really dig to find his "legacy post". Quin was not someone who was super townread or a major threat, so why would they feel the need to do a legacy post, and why would you interpret their post as particularly legacy-y? This is weird.

Quin is town though. But not for the reasons you've mentioned. Except maybe the scotty thing.

I think it was an RT. You may not have been around for it, but Quin was the top wagon and said himself he thought he was going to die. I interpreted his post scumreading Scotty and Dennis as a legacy post because it was. Can you read my other recent posts instead of just disputing this one? Because I did just drop some mechanical info and gave good reasons why I had some suspicion on you at start of day.

This will likely be my last post defending myself against you. I'd like to use the rest of my posts solving and if I do go over, I want to take the wolves down with me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:40 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:26 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:18 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:16 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:14 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen
I still townlean especially this post from Scotty. Him wondering why others aren't seeing the same thing he is combined with questioning why he would pull off Quin are both good looks imo.
Interesting dynamic you’ve got going here. Was your last post directed at me meant to be interrogative RE my vote for Kate? Do you think I might have had a better read that you wanted me to expound upon or just playing the fence here?
Yes. I still townlean you and I wanted to know if or why you wanted Kate chopped because that was a minor point of paranoia.
Tell me about me. Am I a good D1 chop? Why didn't you vote me yesterday?
I didn't vote you yesterday because I townleaned you. I thought you specifically making the observation that my townlean was too copy and paste from other games showed some towny paranoia. Now with the Porscha NK and me townreading Scotty and Quin, I'm not convinced you're town but your d1 content was slightly towny.
Tell me about Quin.

I thought his mechanical RT was towny since he was willingly putting himself into suspicion for it and I thought his legacy post and vote on Scotty then following it up with doubting his read was towny.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:10 am I think it is best for town to be upfront with what we did. Our power is not easily judged by our art.

I have some info. I have 3 pieces of art, 2 from the auction and 1 that I got from voting Creature. I roleblocked Pyxxy with Dennis's essay and watched Kate with Yoda. Zenon and Falcon visited Kate. I thought Falcon had targeted Kate with an investigative ability considering he scumread Kate, which is why I pinged him specifically when I shared my concerns about Kate. I also tried an alignment cop check with the "auctions are for losers" assigned art but it failed.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:04 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:29 pm Seanzie I don't townlean anymore since I think there's a good chance the Sean wagon was pure and wolves would be more likely to want him dead if he's town over ML bait Creature imo.
I'm really not following this

So because the seanzie wagon was pure, the wolves would have joined and pushed him over rather than killing creature? Is that right?

Well that all relies on the seanzie wagon being pure, which I sort of find hard to believe as a main wagon at eod1. It's possible but I'd need to look at his voters

It's like, being a wagon doesn't directly make you a suspect and that wagon felt empty from the start

I feel like this makes less sense but I'm struggling to find the words right now. If you could go into more depth explaining this I'd appreciate it

Sure. Porscha was NKed and she suspected Seanzie. I independently townread Scotty and Quin. If Seanzie/Creature was t/t, I thought wolves would prefer Seanzie over Creature. Why? Seanzie was one of the top posters, spitballing takes, and often got NKed when I played with him a long time ago. Creature very clearly expressed disinterest in the game and didn't contribute much to town. If Seanzie were town, I think wolves would want to get him out and I don't think wolves were trying to get him out.

After reading Seanzie's d2 I think he might just be town. His insistence that he was a bad CW, him latching onto me for me not townleaning him being a bad post, and his level of engagement are all town pings I got today. If Sean were wolf, I think he'd take a bit more cautious approach. He knows I can obvtown myself, so I'd think he'd be a bit more reserved in pushing me/leave room for doubt which he clearly isn't.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:26 am Yeah, Thun randed wolf. Sorry about the rand your first game back, I am happy you're back though!

Yep, I did rand wolf my first game back. And my game looked nothing like this, it was far more controlled and less scatterbrained.

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Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:18 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:16 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:14 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen
I still townlean especially this post from Scotty. Him wondering why others aren't seeing the same thing he is combined with questioning why he would pull off Quin are both good looks imo.
Interesting dynamic you’ve got going here. Was your last post directed at me meant to be interrogative RE my vote for Kate? Do you think I might have had a better read that you wanted me to expound upon or just playing the fence here?
Yes. I still townlean you and I wanted to know if or why you wanted Kate chopped because that was a minor point of paranoia.
Tell me about me. Am I a good D1 chop? Why didn't you vote me yesterday?

I didn't vote you yesterday because I townleaned you. I thought you specifically making the observation that my townlean was too copy and paste from other games showed some towny paranoia. Now with the Porscha NK and me townreading Scotty and Quin, I'm not convinced you're town but your d1 content was slightly towny.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:02 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:45 pm I suspect Kate.
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:29 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:04 pm

Something someone once told me about how she approaches early game, I'm seeing it here.

Of course I could be wrong, but also [VOTE: kate] aubergine
Oh please elaborate, I'd love to hear this.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:50 pm I arrived late, I townleaned Dennis and then I talked about cannibalism lol

If you honestly think I'm bad, then you should and would stop being so cryptic. But I don't honestly think you think that. I actually think you wish I were bad.

But, alas, I am civ once again.
I interpret "wishing [Kate was] bad" as Kate thinking Falcon wants to catch her. If that's wrong let me know, but I think Kate is implying Falcon is town with this response. For most people, if someone is tunneling them it's natural to question the tunneler's alignment, but Kate said this, later townleaned Falcon, and moved on. It felt a bit too linear and consistent.
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:07 pm Uh oh, Kate might be Maf
No. I'm playing exactly like I did last game, just not looking at you...yet
I don't think she played exactly like that other game. The town explanation is that she could be unaware of how differently her play vibed. There's also a plausible wolf explanation, that she's *trying* to play exactly like last game and so feels confident in saying she did. I have a mild ping that this is Kate's defense instead of something along the lines of saying it's her town game whether or not it's the same as last game.

@falcon45ca what's your current read on Kate and how confident are you in that read?
.."too consistent"? Why is being consistent scummy?

When someone comes out of the gate pushing me, I tend to question their alignment. It was a minor ping that Kate wasn't.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:14 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen
I still townlean especially this post from Scotty. Him wondering why others aren't seeing the same thing he is combined with questioning why he would pull off Quin are both good looks imo.
Interesting dynamic you’ve got going here. Was your last post directed at me meant to be interrogative RE my vote for Kate? Do you think I might have had a better read that you wanted me to expound upon or just playing the fence here?

Yes. I still townlean you and I wanted to know if or why you wanted Kate chopped because that was a minor point of paranoia.

I suspect Kate.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:29 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:04 pm

Something someone once told me about how she approaches early game, I'm seeing it here.

Of course I could be wrong, but also [VOTE: kate] aubergine
Oh please elaborate, I'd love to hear this.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:50 pm I arrived late, I townleaned Dennis and then I talked about cannibalism lol

If you honestly think I'm bad, then you should and would stop being so cryptic. But I don't honestly think you think that. I actually think you wish I were bad.

But, alas, I am civ once again.

I interpret "wishing [Kate was] bad" as Kate thinking Falcon wants to catch her. If that's wrong let me know, but I think Kate is implying Falcon is town with this response. For most people, if someone is tunneling them it's natural to question the tunneler's alignment, but Kate said this, later townleaned Falcon, and moved on. It felt a bit too linear and consistent.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:07 pm Uh oh, Kate might be Maf
No. I'm playing exactly like I did last game, just not looking at you...yet

I don't think she played exactly like that other game. The town explanation is that she could be unaware of how differently her play vibed. There's also a plausible wolf explanation, that she's *trying* to play exactly like last game and so feels confident in saying she did. I have a mild ping that this is Kate's defense instead of something along the lines of saying it's her town game whether or not it's the same as last game.

@falcon45ca what's your current read on Kate and how confident are you in that read?

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:43 pm Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen

I still townlean especially this post from Scotty. Him wondering why others aren't seeing the same thing he is combined with questioning why he would pull off Quin are both good looks imo.

There's one thing that sticks out to me about Scotty's votes at EoD and that's his vote on Kate. From what I know, Kate's been on a great read streak and switching there would be a big gamble. @Scotty why did you vote Kate?

Seanzie I don't townlean anymore since I think there's a good chance the Sean wagon was pure and wolves would be more likely to want him dead if he's town over ML bait Creature imo.

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