The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:11 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:33 pm I have yet to win on this site by the way.

I fucking suck.
Just claim all of Long Con’s wins as your own.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:08 pm lol you actually put it in there

Hell yeah, can't ask for a banner from ya and not put it in my sig!

You should re-do it for me with LOSER stamped in big red letters on it

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:20 pm Can I have a Loser banner?

I think it would be very much in the Fleabag spirit.

Haha, Syn made me a loser banner, it's in my sig....see if you can guess which one it is!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:06 pm And thank you for the game, Nanook. <3

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Thank you for the host!

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:47 am Wait, ya'll ended the game already

Dizzy & I hammered. Sorry, but we wanted the win as soon as possible.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:59 am GJ Falcon & Dizzy, you distanced well from your team

Thank you!

Honestly, this town had me pretty nervous we wouldn't be able to pull out a W

@Dolby @Son of Anarch @Dyslexicon T'was a pleasure scumming with you fine folks!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:56 am GG I was maf lol

Wait, you were Maf??

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME That's hammer

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:36 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:36 pm I still think falcon is the most likely to be town
I'm starting to think your PoE was right, so I'm curious what Falcon thinks

I'm re-evaluating ilario now, I thought we had a slam dunk with Gman & then ilario is obvs last Maf.

It's hard for me to see you as Maf, but I had the same issue & lost w/ Jack recently, as such I have reservations.

Dizzy, Johanna, & ilario are the 3 I'm looking at currently, and sleeping will give us a confirmed town.

Sleep might be our best bet.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:20 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:16 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:53 pm If G-Man and ilario are the final two mafia, falcon might end up with a perfect voting record.
Don't jinx it!

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:53 pm If G-Man and ilario are the final two mafia, falcon might end up with a perfect voting record.

Don't jinx it!

[VOTE: Ilario] aubergine

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:47 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:47 pm I'm going to sleep now. I won't have a lot of time tomorrow, but I'll check in with the thread and stuff. If people want Ilario over G-Man, I'm not going to stand in the way of that.
I want Ilario

I want Ilario

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:25 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:37 am That tends to be my view as well, Johanna. I would probably feel stronger if falcon hadn't joined the vanishing club.
Sometimes I drink a lot of vodka...and whisky....and tequila

And you aren't even a Bengals' fan.

Nope, Atlanta Falcon's in the NFL, Saskatchewan Roughriders in the CFL.

Vancouver Canucks in the NHL, Toronto Raptors in the NBA, New York Yankees in the MLB, and Tottenham Hotspur in the Premier League

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:20 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:18 pm If anyone has any final questions or concerns or requests for analysis or whatever for me, be sure to cram 'em in my face before I drop dead.
TSP plz
Without a counter-claimed fruit vendor, I view Tony as confirmed town without any concern at all. I also think his play very closely aligns to what I'd expect from a literal fruit vending Tony.

This is now Tony's job IRL for me, never gonna change

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:18 pm If anyone has any final questions or concerns or requests for analysis or whatever for me, be sure to cram 'em in my face before I drop dead.

TSP plz

Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:15 pm Well, they are genuine.

I'd say you being paranoid would entail me being otherwise clear of suspicion so I'm not sure what the question is.

I genuinely would prefer it if everyone came in and dropped at least a post before we hammered: I'm glad you did.

That doesn't mean it's gonna change anything, it's just personally not comfortable for me.

What are your thoughts on TSP?

Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:04 pmwhat is GTH?

Gun To Head.

You've got a few posts lately that seem, let's say less than genuine, IMO re: player's not being present, etc. Am I being paranoid, or do you feel you should be free of suspicion?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:50 pm Dolby is confirmed mafia
G-Man is likely mafia
ilario fits better with SoA than falcon does

If that's not the team then falcon is my next up. If it's anyone else, then I am wrong and will need to lean on those who outlive me to figure it out. I don't feel wrong.

That's essentially my view of the game.

I'd like to flip Dolby, then Gman & Ilario, quit reading my thoughts.

There are unclean images in there ya know

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:40 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:37 pm How do you feel about Johanna's recent posts?

There's just like a weird...I dunno, lamenting tone about them that just doesn't feel organic to me.
That's not really my impression. I think she is doing her best to make her mark in a game where a lot may already feel "decided". There may be some manner of "lament" in the tone, but that's not something that concerns me. I don't think it's out of place contextually.

Nonetheless I'd like to hear what she has to say in response to your suspicion so things can develop.

That's been my general impression as well, and it could be that I'm getting a bit tinfoil-y on her for spurious reasons.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:34 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:33 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:57 am How does everyone feel about hammering in about an hour? If the current deadline is to be sustained it's gotta be soon or otherwise wait until the entire day passes. I don't feel strongly either way as long as Dolby is the next to go.
I'm not opposed, tho I'd rather have more time with you helping us solve.

Sorry for tunneling you BTW, but I'm kinda not sorry & it might happen again in other games
If you want more time then you should have it. You could well be the game's most important slot right now. I'd like to see your accusations become dialogues today, e.g. with G-Man and Johanna.

How do you feel about Johanna's recent posts?

There's just like a weird...I dunno, lamenting tone about them that just doesn't feel organic to me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:57 am How does everyone feel about hammering in about an hour? If the current deadline is to be sustained it's gotta be soon or otherwise wait until the entire day passes. I don't feel strongly either way as long as Dolby is the next to go.

I'm not opposed, tho I'd rather have more time with you helping us solve.

Sorry for tunneling you BTW, but I'm kinda not sorry & it might happen again in other games

Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:10 am But why vanish from the game. It's so weird. Granted I don't think I've seen w!Dolby in forever, it just doesn't seem like him.

I don't know the others. I'm going to hate it if Sort By PostCount delivers victory unto us.

It's posts like this that make me wonder if you're a wolf who's just slipping by with little suspicion

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:18 am
G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:14 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:47 pm
Even if you don't read the JJJ outcomes of the interactive analyses, he at least did a reasonable legwork compiling the interactions to save time.

Those will hopefully be my breakfast reading in the morning.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:02 am @G-Man I’m not clear on your explanation for Dolby being more likely innocent (relative to SoA) than falcon. Could you expand or restate?
It's not a 'Dolby is more innocent' thing. It's a 'Falcon is more guilty' thing just because Falcon's been on my radar for a phase longer. I didn't pick up on Dolby until I read his ISO and saw that the forest wasn't as impressive as some of the individual trees.

Perhaps I can deep dive into Dolby again over lunch, but I have to prep for my evening obligation at lunchtime as well.
I’d love to hear what @Dolby and @falcon45ca each think of G-Man’s perspectives.

I think Gman's having trouble advancing his reads, which is something scum often have trouble doing.

The last sentence is rather scummy IMO

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:37 am That tends to be my view as well, Johanna. I would probably feel stronger if falcon hadn't joined the vanishing club.

Sometimes I drink a lot of vodka...and whisky....and tequila

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:52 pm @JaggedJimmyJay You've got myself, SoA, Dolby, Gman, and Ilario in a POE of 5?

How are our POEs so similar, yet feel so different? Why does it feel like we're talking right past each other?

Why can't we find each other as town?
I suppose the first thing that would help me if you’re town is to understand how you derived your POE pool. If you’ve chalked up others as town, could you just quickly summarize what inspired those reads? I don’t need a ton.

Can you be more specific? Like, I feel its clear from my ISO why I suspect the players I do.

I've given why I TR NAA, Sloon (before getting poisoned), and Marmot. Are you asking about if I have other TRs beyond them?

It's hard for me to see Johanna as Maf. She feels like she's earnestly trying to solve the game, not steer or direct it. Ditto Dizzy. They both feel genuine in their approach and their reads feel like they're the product of genuine reflection on players and their interactions.

TSP actually I've not really paid attention to. Between the claim, or lack of thread presence...GTH I'd say he's town as well, cuz' he often pushes my mislynch when he's Maf

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:05 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:57 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:33 pm Traipsing around Dolby's ISO, I still see the slightly-punchy logic-based content that won me over here and there, but I'm also seeing that he finds ways to go really soft on just about everyone in the game. He's countered some assertions and suspicions and objected to a few players for things, but those pokes, prods, and punches never turn into any firm suspicions. It looks more like coasting from 10,000 feet.
Nice alliteration.

[VOTE: Gman] aubergine

Too much gussyin' up his words. It just doesn't feel natural
This is (checks ISO), pretty much the most you've said about me all game. Are you all-around allergic to alliteration? Or are you just searching for something to support the saving of your skin?

Your splishy splashy language feels performative. The overuse of tropes underlines an agenda-y approach to the thread.

@JaggedJimmyJay You've got myself, SoA, Dolby, Gman, and Ilario in a POE of 5?

How are our POEs so similar, yet feel so different? Why does it feel like we're talking right past each other?

Why can't we find each other as town?

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:05 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:57 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:33 pm Traipsing around Dolby's ISO, I still see the slightly-punchy logic-based content that won me over here and there, but I'm also seeing that he finds ways to go really soft on just about everyone in the game. He's countered some assertions and suspicions and objected to a few players for things, but those pokes, prods, and punches never turn into any firm suspicions. It looks more like coasting from 10,000 feet.
Nice alliteration.

[VOTE: Gman] aubergine

Too much gussyin' up his words. It just doesn't feel natural
This is (checks ISO), pretty much the most you've said about me all game. Are you all-around allergic to alliteration? Or are you just searching for something to support the saving of your skin?

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:33 pm Traipsing around Dolby's ISO, I still see the slightly-punchy logic-based content that won me over here and there, but I'm also seeing that he finds ways to go really soft on just about everyone in the game. He's countered some assertions and suspicions and objected to a few players for things, but those pokes, prods, and punches never turn into any firm suspicions. It looks more like coasting from 10,000 feet.

Nice alliteration.

[VOTE: Gman] aubergine

Too much gussyin' up his words. It just doesn't feel natural

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:28 pm I think the best piece of evidence I can give to clear myself is that if I was mafia I would just poison myself so I don’t have to read NAAs posts anymore

What?

Do you think he's Maf or Town?

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:52 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:43 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:28 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE
If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?
I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?

Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.
Ties are determined by the mafia, per our host. No ties, thank you very much.

Why don’t you (or anyone else posting since apparently) remember this from the rules?

Cuz' I rarely read the rules. I'm more of a shoot from the hip kinda player

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:26 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:57 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:58 pm This is the JJJ despair post.
I don't know why that's despair. That's a very subjective assessment, so I'll just ask a related but different question:

- Would it be wise for me, as a town member, to keep pummeling away at what I have been doing without reconsidering my approach with no dead mafia and only one mischop still available?
There's some interesting language here...you pummeling away, the wording there makes it sound as tho it's fatiguing for you, defeating.

You've had quite a bit of success playing Maf, you're a very talented player. Tell me, do you throw out your playbook cuz' of 2 mislynches?

This post is also subtly seeded with the despair I mentioned, and it's antithetical to your town play IMO
Why didn’t you answer the question?

I answered your question with a question, which is kinda rude actually.

I think it would be wise for you to play the way you play, regardless of negative results. Most shots at the net don't go in. Does that mean you stop, and reevaluate shooting? No. You've had a lot of success with your playstyle, it doesn't make sense to reconsider your approach cuz' of 2 mislynches, and I think you know that already

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:28 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE
If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?

I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?

Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:58 pm This is the JJJ despair post.
I don't know why that's despair. That's a very subjective assessment, so I'll just ask a related but different question:

- Would it be wise for me, as a town member, to keep pummeling away at what I have been doing without reconsidering my approach with no dead mafia and only one mischop still available?

There's some interesting language here...you pummeling away, the wording there makes it sound as tho it's fatiguing for you, defeating.

You've had quite a bit of success playing Maf, you're a very talented player. Tell me, do you throw out your playbook cuz' of 2 mislynches?

This post is also subtly seeded with the despair I mentioned, and it's antithetical to your town play IMO

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:28 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE

Where'd my name go?

It's right beside your profile pic

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:12 pm So clearly my solve was wrong. I did nothing in the night phase except distance myself from this game. This is my first 0 for 2 start in a while, and I am going to take that as a signal that I need to step back and re-engage this game in some manner other than what I have been doing. I am going to be less of a noisy butt, but I will still be here working through it and chatting.

I'm open to just about any theories out there. Sloonei being poisoned is kind of a bizarre gift that spares the game mass tinfoil and also maximizes his 48-hour utility for us.

This is the JJJ despair post.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:37 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE
I don’t think it is.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:37 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:28 pm It does go back aways, to when I noticed you're paying an extra amount of attention to me basically since the start. I'm an easy mislynch for Maf, as I'm generally thought to be scummy, but you've been shading me throughout the game.
Sure, I have been doing that. I haven't found a good reason to town read you. Is there a good reason to town read you?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:28 pmEven when you've brought up my town meta, it's always been sprinkled with "but he could be Maf"
No offense, but your "town meta" might be the single easiest town meta to fake on this game roster. Refusing to trust people and accusing everyone of everything is pretty simple to replicate. If "meta" is all I have for you, then I feel like I have very little.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:28 pmThere's also the manner in which you described your scum game to me....the only thing I can see different from that description to your play this game is the real time interaction, which since you pointed it out, would be easy to work into your play this game.
I won't fight this as it's going to be take-it-or-leave-it wifom regardless. I'll just say that my mafia tendency to engage less real-time dialogue isn't so much "strategic" as it is a concession that I am not as good at it when I'm bullshitting. It's not something I could just add to the equation without a lot of difficulty.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:28 pmAlso, I've noticed a weird air of...despair? from you this game that I've never seen with your town game. In other games when there's been mislynches of "100% Maf" I've played with you, you've always kept a spirit of towny optimism: that the game state is within town's grasp, and that town need not panic or sway off course. It's different this game, it's almost like you're waiting to throw in the towel
This one I don't understand. I had a period of uncertainty in Day 2, and then after I did a lot of work I emerged with a confident solve proposal with the entire mafia team in it. It doesn't get much more self-assured than that. I don't know if you have ever seen me go 0 for 2 though, so you wouldn't have much basis to compare to for this current state of affairs. Normally I get one by now. When I don't I have to be conscious of that and consider ways to adapt. At no point have I done anything resembling "throw in the towel" or "despair" though. That's hard to take seriously. I have made over 400 posts and am still going strong under worse conditions than ever.

There was a post I read today that got me pinged me in this regard. I'm just finishing up at work, so I'll quote it later.

As to finding a good reason to TR me....that's the easy mislynch stuff I had mentioned. My town play in and of itself gets me mislynched, and it's often for that exact reason "why should I TR him?" Do I have a bunch of pelts? No, I rarely do. But that doesn't make me Maf.

JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA

That's a good POE

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:34 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:33 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:30 pm hello. i didn't get to see EOD. work has me so swamped. who died
I have a sneaking suspicion that Nanook tagged you (like he did everybody) and you can go check for yourself.

It's D3, derp clears are for D1
I honestly didn't think tags did anything on this site but thanks for the passive-aggression bud

Sorry about that.

I wasn't trying to be passive.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:30 pm hello. i didn't get to see EOD. work has me so swamped. who died

I have a sneaking suspicion that Nanook tagged you (like he did everybody) and you can go check for yourself.

It's D3, derp clears are for D1

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:20 pm I just told you?

In more simple terms, bad luck.
Okay then. I'll just zip it while you continue your solving.

Oh don't be passive aggressive, I have a girlfriend for that!

It does go back aways, to when I noticed you're paying an extra amount of attention to me basically since the start. I'm an easy mislynch for Maf, as I'm generally thought to be scummy, but you've been shading me throughout the game.

Even when you've brought up my town meta, it's always been sprinkled with "but he could be Maf"

There's also the manner in which you described your scum game to me....the only thing I can see different from that description to your play this game is the real time interaction, which since you pointed it out, would be easy to work into your play this game.

Also, I've noticed a weird air of...despair? from you this game that I've never seen with your town game. In other games when there's been mislynches of "100% Maf" I've played with you, you've always kept a spirit of towny optimism: that the game state is within town's grasp, and that town need not panic or sway off course. It's different this game, it's almost like you're waiting to throw in the towel

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:19 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:18 pm Well, through no fault of your own I'm sure, you had the luck to rand wolf this game.
Okay sure cool, but I am hoping to hear about the theory. Why's Jay mafia?

I just told you?

In more simple terms, bad luck.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:15 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:15 pm I've actually got an interesting theory, wanna hear it?

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine
I'm fascinated. Tell me more.

Well, through no fault of your own I'm sure, you had the luck to rand wolf this game.

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