Fleabag Mafia mafia win

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, level of confidence that Falcon & SoA aren't together is high.

[Johanna]

Sig (6): jay, sloonei, spf, ilario, dizzy, lime
G-man (2): axe, tsp
Dizzy (1): sig
Falcon (1): son of anarch
Ilario (1): falcon
Axe (1): Dolby
Tsp (1): Marmot

Lime Coke (7): axe, ilario, Marmot, dizzy, sloonei, tsp, Jay
Falcon (3): Johanna, g man, dolby
Ilario (1): falcon
Not voting (3): spf, lime, soa

What are the chances of 0 wolves in either of the mischops?

But then do you need to vote for town if the towncore is already doing that?

The only person in anyone's PoE to vote for both mischops is ilario.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The second tally there is an interesting one with three names in question all on falcon.

[Johanna]

But then again just look at the recently finished SF3 where the massive EoD mischop wagons contained 0 wolves on D1 and D2

Spoiler: show

if I remember correctly

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

[Johanna]

You might have me in your PoE but I don't consider myself in question, really.

[Dyslexicon]

The only way to heal from GOC 2020 was to roll mafia in the first place

Lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You might have me in your PoE but I don't consider myself in question, really.

I’m not sure that I do either.

[Dyslexicon]

Wow, I still haven't gotten out of bed yet!

I'mma go make some sex, be back later

[Dyslexicon]

I'm still not healed lol

You okay hun?

Aw, hugs. I love hugs. <3

[G-Man]

JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?

I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?


Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.

Ties are determined by the mafia, per our host. No ties, thank you very much.

Why don’t you (or anyone else posting since apparently) remember this from the rules?

[Dyslexicon]

@Johanna @Dyslexicon

Since you're here, do you both agree to take me and Marmot as town?

Marmot, yes. You? Since you ask, yes. Why the fuck not.

[Dyslexicon]

Ties are determined by the mafia, per our host. No ties, thank you very much.

Why don’t you (or anyone else posting since apparently) remember this from the rules?

What lol. Never seen this resolution of ties before

[Dyslexicon]

[Johanna]

Aw, hugs. I love hugs. <3

Me, I just love Fleabag

Spoiler: show

and hugs

Spoiler: show

and Fleabag hugs

Spoiler: show

[G-Man]

G-Man's posting has been to prevent the narrowing of PoE

This is silly. If I don’t post, it holds back the gamesolving. If I do post, it holds back the gamesolving.

What do you even want from me?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Dyslexicon: you asked me about strong dissociations. The dark greens on my chart are all I can offer now. I will deep deeper later.

I do think this would be a great way for you to REALLY reassess ilario though. Instead of staring at his posts, focus on interactions within the set of players remaining as possible suspects to see if you believe a team really does exist in there. If there are enough disrupted associations, then you’ll be forced by the numbers to reconsider your fleabag husband.

[Dyslexicon]

Being a consensus townread is unfamiliar territory. Should I change how I dress or something

Who needs clothes

[Johanna]

I am not completely against ties. I prefer close races, as I believe they encourage the discussion to go on, but randing at EoD, exciting as it is, I think is not really a good play on the part of town.

[G-Man]

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

Tell me why here and why now please.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What do you even want from me?

These are infamous words.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

Tell me why here and why now please.

I currently have more doubts about voting falcon, Dolby, and SoA than I have about voting you.

[G-Man]

What do you even want from me?

These are infamous words.

The stupidity of his statement warrants the dreaded phrase. I want to hear from him how my posting holds back the game. Saying it does doesn’t speak it into reality.

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon: you asked me about strong dissociations. The dark greens on my chart are all I can offer now. I will deep deeper later.

I do think this would be a great way for you to REALLY reassess ilario though. Instead of staring at his posts, focus on interactions within the set of players remaining as possible suspects to see if you believe a team really does exist in there. If there are enough disrupted associations, then you’ll be forced by the numbers to reconsider your fleabag husband.

Honestly, I have evaluated Ilario, maybe in a way you don't understand or like, but I'm not really unclear about it. I'm not just "staring at his posts". But I can pay attention to this when reading through PoE for (anti-)links.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mafia decides ties. Don’t tie. This is Nanook-typical.

[NotAnAxehole]

Mild concern, JJJ has about the same PoE as me, yet has thus far refused to vote anyone who I only see a 1-way dissociative from him.

[G-Man]

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

Tell me why here and why now please.

I currently have more doubts about voting falcon, Dolby, and SoA than I have about voting you.

Thank you. I need to reassess my groupings to see where I am at as well. You are still in my POE, but it’s been a soft placement the entire game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mild concern, JJJ has about the same PoE as me, yet has thus far refused to vote anyone who I only see a 1-way dissociative from him.

I think votes are meaningless until they end the day, so whatever.

[NotAnAxehole]

Mild concern, JJJ has about the same PoE as me, yet has thus far refused to vote anyone who I only see a 1-way dissociative from him.

In other words, if JJJ is mafia, all of his teammates are people in his PoE, but he won't ever get around to killing them.

[falcon45ca]

This is the JJJ despair post.

I don't know why that's despair. That's a very subjective assessment, so I'll just ask a related but different question:

- Would it be wise for me, as a town member, to keep pummeling away at what I have been doing without reconsidering my approach with no dead mafia and only one mischop still available?

There's some interesting language here...you pummeling away, the wording there makes it sound as tho it's fatiguing for you, defeating.

You've had quite a bit of success playing Maf, you're a very talented player. Tell me, do you throw out your playbook cuz' of 2 mislynches?


This post is also subtly seeded with the despair I mentioned, and it's antithetical to your town play IMO

Why didn’t you answer the question?

I answered your question with a question, which is kinda rude actually.


I think it would be wise for you to play the way you play, regardless of negative results. Most shots at the net don't go in. Does that mean you stop, and reevaluate shooting? No. You've had a lot of success with your playstyle, it doesn't make sense to reconsider your approach cuz' of 2 mislynches, and I think you know that already

[NotAnAxehole]

Mild concern, JJJ has about the same PoE as me, yet has thus far refused to vote anyone who I only see a 1-way dissociative from him.

I think votes are meaningless until they end the day, so whatever.

If your vote is meaningless, then don't waste our time with it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ilario would be our present sticking point, NAA. I’m considering the possibility, but will need to review things to really determine if I view him as likely mafia.

[NotAnAxehole]

ilario would be our present sticking point, NAA. I’m considering the possibility, but will need to review things to really determine if I view him as likely mafia.

Ilario being in your PoE or not has no baring on my statement.

[Dyslexicon]

Sig (6): jay, sloonei, spf, ilario, dizzy, lime
G-man (2): axe, tsp
Dizzy (1): sig
Falcon (1): son of anarch
Ilario (1): falcon
Axe (1): Dolby
Tsp (1): Marmot

Lime Coke (7): axe, ilario, Marmot, dizzy, sloonei, tsp, Jay
Falcon (3): Johanna, g man, dolby
Ilario (1): falcon
Not voting (3): spf, lime, soa

What are the chances of 0 wolves in either of the mischops?

But then do you need to vote for town if the towncore is already doing that?

The only person in anyone's PoE to vote for both mischops is ilario.

If I'm not completely wrong, everyone on the Sig wagon is town. Which is very typical and proven again and again, especially D1: If town is mischopped by a large margin, the wagon is mainly or even sometimes all town. Mafia resides in wagons that are smaller, doesn't matter or have vanity votes. Mafia are generally more averse to voting town if town are already hanging themselves, which unfortunately we have been. There are already three confirmed town on the Sig wagon for example.

[NotAnAxehole]

Mild concern, JJJ has about the same PoE as me, yet has thus far refused to vote anyone who I only see a 1-way dissociative from him.

In other words, if JJJ is mafia, all of his teammates are people in his PoE, but he won't ever get around to killing them.

@JaggedJimmyJay

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ilario would be our present sticking point, NAA. I’m considering the possibility, but will need to review things to really determine if I view him as likely mafia.

Ilario being in your PoE or not has no baring on my statement.

Who are you referring to that I’ve not voted for?

[falcon45ca]

JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?

I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?


Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.

Ties are determined by the mafia, per our host. No ties, thank you very much.

Why don’t you (or anyone else posting since apparently) remember this from the rules?

Cuz' I rarely read the rules. I'm more of a shoot from the hip kinda player

[Johanna]

Sig (6): jay, sloonei, spf, ilario, dizzy, lime
G-man (2): axe, tsp
Dizzy (1): sig
Falcon (1): son of anarch
Ilario (1): falcon
Axe (1): Dolby
Tsp (1): Marmot

Lime Coke (7): axe, ilario, Marmot, dizzy, sloonei, tsp, Jay
Falcon (3): Johanna, g man, dolby
Ilario (1): falcon
Not voting (3): spf, lime, soa

What are the chances of 0 wolves in either of the mischops?

But then do you need to vote for town if the towncore is already doing that?

The only person in anyone's PoE to vote for both mischops is ilario.

If I'm not completely wrong, everyone on the Sig wagon is town. Which is very typical and proven again and again, especially D1: If town is mischopped by a large margin, the wagon is mainly or even sometimes all town. Mafia resides in wagons that are smaller, doesn't matter or have vanity votes. Mafia are generally more averse to voting town if town are already hanging themselves, which unfortunately we have been. There are already three confirmed town on the Sig wagon for example.

Yeah I did point that out in my next post.

[NotAnAxehole]

By the way, you're all wrong about ties, this is exactly one type of situation where ties can be useful to town because mafia decides ties. So you can theoretically validate 2 slots at once.

[Dyslexicon]

I currently have more doubts about voting falcon, Dolby, and SoA than I have about voting you.

What are your doubt for Dolby?

[Dyslexicon]

By the way, you're all wrong about ties, this is exactly one type of situation where ties can be useful to town because mafia decides ties. So you can theoretically validate 2 slots at once.

I mean, IF you are right about both. If not, you just end up with one town less. I'd rather get one mafia first.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I currently have more doubts about voting falcon, Dolby, and SoA than I have about voting you.

What are your doubt for Dolby?

He’s seemed vaguely town here and there more often than G-Man has seemed vaguely town here and there. I don’t trust either of them.

[Dyslexicon]

Yeah I did point that out in my next post.

Yes, I saw this. And this reflects my experience. It drives me crazy when people think that you should look at the D1 wagon of a mischop. Actually, if D1 is a hit, it's likely because a lot of mafia decided to bus.

[NotAnAxehole]

By the way, you're all wrong about ties, this is exactly one type of situation where ties can be useful to town because mafia decides ties. So you can theoretically validate 2 slots at once.

I mean, IF you are right about both. If not, you just end up with one town less. I'd rather get one mafia first.

I feel like the whole thread is anti-PoE

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I very rarely play with this ties rule, so I’m open to theory. I believe it’s more common on 451.

[Johanna]

Yeah I did point that out in my next post.

Yes, I saw this. And this reflects my experience. It drives me crazy when people think that you should look at the D1 wagon of a mischop. Actually, if D1 is a hit, it's likely because a lot of mafia decided to bus.

I'm not really used to uncontested mischop wagons, and that's precisely why I dread them. When votes are closer, Mafia tend to need to pick a side.

[Dyslexicon]

I currently have more doubts about voting falcon, Dolby, and SoA than I have about voting you.

What are your doubt for Dolby?

He’s seemed vaguely town here and there more often than G-Man has seemed vaguely town here and there. I don’t trust either of them.

I've just played a game with Dolby, and he seemed reasonably town all game there too. Town played GOOFY as fuck (including me) so he won, but I do not take him having "reasonable" posts as the threshold for him being town. And actually, I don't know if I think his posts are that reasonable anyway, because he doesn't really go anywhere with anything imo. It's pushback to the PoE, but I don't see the backing up of this.

[Dyslexicon]

I mean, they may very well both be mafia so

[Dyslexicon]

I'll be back in a couple of hours or so

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sure. [VOTE: Dolby] aubergine