The Syndicate

Anyways, [VOTE: SARdoghandler] aubergine

I don't actually remember why I voted for them in the first place, but I feel pretty good about it.

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:15 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:58 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:55 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:54 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:31 pm i kind of think sloon is being lightly v
Why do your reads have so many adjectives?
they always do and you always take issue with it

it's how i express myself
I could be wrong, but I don't think I've taken issue with this specific thing in the past. What game?
Is this the exchange people are using to saying that Seanzie and dyanchei/Lawpy were incompatible? This seems fairly benign and could be easily faked, especially in the context of threadsrste (giant Zenge/falcon showdown).

I agree it would be a little odd for wolf's to do this, but I still like Seanzie is top of POE.

Literally rhe only contributions have been sus against AM and sus against Zenge

And Falcon/Dya/Lawpy, but you'll likely not believe it.

Don't forget SARdog either.

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:00 pm People are saying Seanzie has gained village points (or at least is incompatabel with wolfs)

Can somebody please help me understand this read? Seanzie has been pretty much nonexistent since D1

agreed. I'm curious too.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:33 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:31 pm I think by the fact of Mac not being killed by poison to then not being nked , they should be p close to just outed as scum here. And thats fully ignoring my read on them which I think was right and they just tried to laugh it off yesterday.

So ye
Ever since I subbed in, the town have been destroying wolves.

I have done nothing in this game but coordinate a wolf slaughter.

And I am outed scum?

You're out of your mind.

I was yakuza in a multiball game, and I coordinated a slaughter of the mafia faction.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:26 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:20 pm I think we kill seanzie because 1. It would be fucking hilarious and 2. He's not town probably
There is zero chance Seanzie is a Werecreature, and he's pure rand when it comes to likelihood to be on the other team imo.

Why am I not a warecreature?

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:20 pm I think we kill seanzie because 1. It would be fucking hilarious and 2. He's not town probably

Actually no...

I really do want you to speak for youself. Share your thoughts on me, Dennis. Why do you think I'm not town?

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:20 pm I think we kill seanzie because 1. It would be fucking hilarious and 2. He's not town probably

1. Speak for yourself and 2. speak for yourself.

See y'all tomorrow! (well... except you Lawpy.. and you *insert name I'mma NK*)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 8:33 pm Pew pew gut reads here we go lessgo

Dennis - Hilariously cooked unit / town
Lawpy - Belly up (reprise)
genny - Probably will flip town but that wouldn't be fair
Mayo - Town for projecting this gif through text

MR7 - Ya know just don't know ya know. Like they are probably not with Creature/Falcon for spew reasons and whatever but then they aren't really towny at all so maybe other faction? I dunno I can't really abide them anymore. They haven't given me the creamy gooey town feel.
miranda - I feel pretty much the same about them as the above?
Nate - I kinda feel okay about Nate now. Good job buddy.
Neon - I kinda feel okay about Neon now. Good job buddy.
SVS - I kinda feel okay about SVS now. Good job buddy.
santy - Feels like a Werecreature who has convinced themselves that I am not town lol.
SARdog - I ain't do be buying what dey do be sellin tbh. Ain't no love between us.
Seanzie - At the start of the game he was all "ree I'm town Seanzie" at AM but then since then he's been basically wolf Seanzie. I am of the wondering whether he is of the non Werecreature align and started the game being able to realsolve which has become harder and harder and now we that he has taken his "yo im towny yo" t-shirt off he is revealed to have a "ha just kidding i wasnt town yo" shirt on underneath it.
Sloonei - He is giving me grandpa vibes which is kinda towny.

You yourself noted that I dropped off D2, NOT D3. This makes no sense with what you're saying here. SoD2, what exactly would have been harder and harder for me?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:55 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:53 pm Isn't EoD in like 7 minutes? Where is everyone?
They're drowned out by your relentless day 3 hyperpost spamming

Yeah, well once Jay lifted that post-cap, I was able to really let loose.

This is a pretty badass votespread right now, ngl.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:54 pm Lawpy's been a done deal for a while so ppl just waiting for the flip I guess.

Boring. Let's flashwagon Seanzie.

Isn't EoD in like 7 minutes? Where is everyone?

Well that's a cool little wagon that formed on me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:57 pm @Seanzie hey Seanzie I WOLFREAD you. What you gonna do about it?

I'mma go throw an axe at the wall.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:43 am Alrighty reads

Why is there so many people left

Tutuu
Mac

Sloonei
MR7
SVS
Nate
Neon

I call this category "who?" because why do I still not remember any of your posts

SAR
Mayo

Santy - your reaction to mac's sus was like concerning, repeatedly bringing it up later just to shut it down even further

Miranda - something about your tone is just off to me, like you feel like you always have to defend
Seanzie - where u go y u no talk

Lawpy - I think you panicked with that roleclaim and then peaced out cause you felt outed
Genny - yah this is a sheep but I read myself and I agree for reasons I really don't feel like spelling out right now

Where am I?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:57 am Genny has 0 posted today

Everyone else is at least trying

Speak for yourself.

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:36 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:34 am I wanted a SPICY vote, but all anyone gave me was the CW.
If you want we could move to Miranda or Dennis o7

I'd entertain Miranda.

I wanted a SPICY vote, but all anyone gave me was the CW.

[VOTE: Genny] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:20 am Ive never seen town sean act like this, and ive seen wolf sean act like this twice

Until i see town sean act like this, sean is mafia and needs death

hmmm.... hmmm hmmm hmmm hmmmmmmm hmm...

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:14 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:06 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:33 pm I keep coming back to the idea that the Werecreatures faction are basically wimless. Creature and Falcon both went belly up day 2. Seanzie fell a mile off. That faction might just be dead?

@tutuu you're townreading Neon because of their "joyposting" or whatever, but imo they haven't had positive energy towards the game since day 1. Throughout day 2 they were essentially a non factor and their posting was sombre and has only gotten worse today.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:37 pm tutuu
mayo
mr7
miranda

sean
sloonei
SVS

SAR
neon
dennis
nate

santy
genny
lawpy

I appreciate the suggested shade in the first post followed by my high placement in the second.
Whats your conclusion from this?

That the person who is currently logged in as Macdougall is actually Mac, and possibly town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:12 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:54 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:33 pm I keep coming back to the idea that the Werecreatures faction are basically wimless. Creature and Falcon both went belly up day 2. Seanzie fell a mile off. That faction might just be dead?

@tutuu you're townreading Neon because of their "joyposting" or whatever, but imo they haven't had positive energy towards the game since day 1. Throughout day 2 they were essentially a non factor and their posting was sombre and has only gotten worse today.
"Seanzie fell a mile off" what

Is he just a werecreature now?
What do you mean what?
You said, seanzie fell a mile off when talking about the werecreatures faction

Seanzie is still like playing the game, and not dead

Ergo, what? Are you just like boldly claiming seanzie is bad?
I am implying the werecreatures faction may be suffering from demotivation.

I am indicating that Seanzie's contributions to the game have cratered since wolves started dying.

He made 5 posts yesterday and is up to 6 today. So "Seanzie is still like playing the game".

When wolves flip, town tend to get more motivated, not less.

Weird reaction.

Actually by your very own post here, you can see that I cratered well before wolves started dying, and I was up to like 8 by the time you posted this, so the day after 2+? wolves died, I am at double-WIM! Pretty much the WIMmiest guy around.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:54 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:33 pm I keep coming back to the idea that the Werecreatures faction are basically wimless. Creature and Falcon both went belly up day 2. Seanzie fell a mile off. That faction might just be dead?

@tutuu you're townreading Neon because of their "joyposting" or whatever, but imo they haven't had positive energy towards the game since day 1. Throughout day 2 they were essentially a non factor and their posting was sombre and has only gotten worse today.
"Seanzie fell a mile off" what

Is he just a werecreature now?
What do you mean what?
You said, seanzie fell a mile off when talking about the werecreatures faction

Seanzie is still like playing the game, and not dead

Ergo, what? Are you just like boldly claiming seanzie is bad?

Dennis just spewed that I'm not a vampire - ergo Dennis is a vampire - lets gettem!

(for legal reasons this is a joke)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:04 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:49 pm @Sloonei apart from lawpy do you have other scumreads?

@Seanzie apart from lawpy do you have other scumreads?
Not actively. The quieter folks (genny, seanzie, miranda, SAR) should be sussed out further. I just haven’t gotten around to doing that yet.
Do you not consider Falcon's ISO a relevant place to look? I would have though it'd be where to start for you.

I do not consider Falcon's ISO a relevant place to look.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:49 pm @Sloonei apart from lawpy do you have other scumreads?

@Seanzie apart from lawpy do you have other scumreads?

Nobody told me a spicy name to vote for, so I'm lost in the water.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:33 pm I keep coming back to the idea that the Werecreatures faction are basically wimless. Creature and Falcon both went belly up day 2. Seanzie fell a mile off. That faction might just be dead?

@tutuu you're townreading Neon because of their "joyposting" or whatever, but imo they haven't had positive energy towards the game since day 1. Throughout day 2 they were essentially a non factor and their posting was sombre and has only gotten worse today.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:37 pm tutuu
mayo
mr7
miranda

sean
sloonei
SVS

SAR
neon
dennis
nate

santy
genny
lawpy

I appreciate the suggested shade in the first post followed by my high placement in the second.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:21 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:45 pm @Seanzie please make more than 5 posts today.
This makes 5, and I still need to vote, so I think I can oblige.
6 it is!

I've been overly-generous today - it is now at like 8 or 9!

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:17 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:50 am so whats our consensus scumreads? Lawpy? Is genny in there too, or is it just me?

Do u guys agree with forcing (whoever it is there) to claim their roles?
i think forcing people to claim in a semi-open setup with loud (confirmable) night actions (and no anti-claim mechanic) is extremely good

very rare to have this opportunity to abuse the system in a mafia game. i dont see a drawback

What do you hope to learn from the claims? Is it simply to limit the ability of suspected people to fakeclaim things later?

My one issue is that there are enough safe fakeclaims that there really isn't that much info we can squeeze out of claims.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:45 pm @Seanzie please make more than 5 posts today.

This makes 5, and I still need to vote, so I think I can oblige.

I'd vote Dyachi, but I'd rather do something spicy.

Someone tell me who to vote, spicy version.

Tinfoil that Nate can post at night because they're a vampire.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:23 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:19 am i think i know why sean dipped from the game and it makes him town
he's not the bestest of friends with mac

but its also not impossible he was just busy. we'll see

I have no issues with Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm Votecount as of end of day 1

Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)

Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)

Notes:

The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.

I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.

Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.

@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?
There is still likely to be one between Dennis and Nate. Interestingly we now have confirmation that Creature had at least one wolf bussing. Which is a very strange thing for Falcon to be doing. Perhaps Falcon did this because he was also being tunneled by Zenge and figured he wasn't going to go deep and figured that forcing a dicho out of him and Creature was sound. That's reasonable enough to assume, to suggest that the extent of the bussing may have ended there.

mightyrunner7 was insanified by Creature on night 1. It's quite wifom, but I will give it a very minor point in their favour simply because the wifom leads you to "just put it on a town because people will read it as wifom anyway so there's not much value in putting it on a wolf" is a true enough statement. Particularly when MR7 is already kinda likely to be town.

Given I think Seanzie is pretty much never with Falcon, I think that Miranda is very likely a hit for their Ponies vote.

It is important to keep coming back to this VC throughout the game because if the Scotty wagon ends up not having more than two wolves on it, the wagonomics outside there becomes more significant. Things like my statement above about Miranda take on less significance of the mafia actually really did vote Scotty in a large volume to save Creature as it makes pure wagons on town slightly more likely.

Why am I not with Falcon?

[VOTE: SARdoghandler] aubergine

SARdoghandler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:31 pm Oh, also I had some fun tinfoil last night which only got stronger with 3 kills but I'm not sure I want to live in that reality yet

I don't believe in tinfoil I can't see.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:25 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:34 am I do want to talk about Falcon. 3 votes on him, all from those unfamiliar with him ... is at a glance not filling me with much confidence. I iso'd him however and found many of his pushes to be making a big deal out of largely NAI stuff. At first I thought Zedge was wolfy for pushing Falcon but in reality ... I don't actually think Falcon is towny.

I understand a lot of those familiar with Falcon are likely to see 100+ posts on a d1 and not actually look into him but I didn't really like any of his pushes.

That being said... why the 3 Falcon voters are going ahead full steam pushing someone that nobody familiar with him is pushing also has me somewhat perplexed.

Notwithstanding the fact that the n1 kills seem largely to have come from SDN wolves. I haven't liked the content of all three of those voting Falcon.

One giant hedge to say... I kinda think Falcon is sus but I am likely the only one with a good reason so I'm probably wrong?
me and Neon have also expressed suspicion on Falcon.

Even though apprently Neon is now defending Falcon.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:15 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:14 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:23 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:23 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:00 pm

GTH wolf

But also I don't won't to chop him today for :hand_wave: irl stuff or something
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
I mean, sure... you could vote there. It's...an option.

But can I interest you in a Falcon today?
Why?
Tunneled town tunneling another town for bad tunnely reasons
Neon pls. Falcon is howling
Not even remotely caught up, but I also feel the need to resolve the Zenge/Falcon debate.

How exactly would you resolve it?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:34 am I do want to talk about Falcon. 3 votes on him, all from those unfamiliar with him ... is at a glance not filling me with much confidence. I iso'd him however and found many of his pushes to be making a big deal out of largely NAI stuff. At first I thought Zedge was wolfy for pushing Falcon but in reality ... I don't actually think Falcon is towny.

I understand a lot of those familiar with Falcon are likely to see 100+ posts on a d1 and not actually look into him but I didn't really like any of his pushes.

That being said... why the 3 Falcon voters are going ahead full steam pushing someone that nobody familiar with him is pushing also has me somewhat perplexed.

Notwithstanding the fact that the n1 kills seem largely to have come from SDN wolves. I haven't liked the content of all three of those voting Falcon.

One giant hedge to say... I kinda think Falcon is sus but I am likely the only one with a good reason so I'm probably wrong?

me and Neon have also expressed suspicion on Falcon.

About 8 pages behind. Wagons look fine. It's sleepytime.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:09 pm I like Seanzie’s vibe.

I haven’t mentioned half of these nor expanded on the ones I have. But here’s where I’m at on D1:

Townvibes:
Mightyena
Seanzor
Nateran♂
Creature
Falcorphish
Seeloonei
SportPonyta

Badvibes:
Pyxxytung
Pawmarmot
Bellosanty
Mirandreavus
Dedennis

Tell me about ponyta and pawrmot.

[VOTE: SportPony] aubergine

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:45 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:42 am And you got super weirdly defensive about it when I asked you a simple, neutral question about your vote. That’s weird, Sportponies.
Are you intentionally pretending you don’t know the definition of defensive?

I looked up defensive in the dictionary, and it had this as the example:

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:44 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:41 am
SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.
Ok bro
You’re being sketch. Going after what you know is low hanging fruit isn’t typically how you roll. You’ve made better pushes than this.
Okay, let’s back up for a second

“Going for low hanging fruit isn’t typically how you roll”

That argument implies I am making a selective choice to intentionally go for LHF.

Village!Sporty: doesn’t make sense if I’m a villager, because a villager goes for who they think is wolfy

Wolf!Sporty: you said yourself I don’t normally go for LHF… so why would that be different this game?

Neither circumstance makes sense with this argument.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am
Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.
Ok bro

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:40 am If you’re village, you just undid any good reading you did in Hannibal lol

Meh, this reaction sits bad with me.

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:38 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:08 am I'd elim Scotty.
Would you elim me?

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:38 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:08 am I'd elim Scotty.
Would you elim me?

I'd elim Scotty.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:54 am Quick question at large; have lots of you played together before? It seems that way; most of the SDN are new to me, but not to everyone at TS.

I know everyone on the TS side, and Dyachei, Santygrass and NateTheLesser on the SDN side as they've all played here at TS. I'm guessing others have played with eachother either at SDN or at oter sites like MU.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:37 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:48 am
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:27 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:19 am
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:14 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pm
Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?
I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.

What tale does it tell?

I'll let you get caught up, and then will field questions.
I see you answered this, but I'm still not sure I understand your point in pointing out zenge's tagging AM for a question

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:20 am [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
Oooo, care to eleaborate?

You've been dancing around the Zenge/Falcon/Sloonei drama but have seemingly been in every camp at this point
OoO fun! You're actually pushing me.

I ask you to put yourself into my POV. Falcon is not an option. This leaves Zenge/Sloonei. Both have done sushish things, but meh...

Do I really feel like I'm dancing? I feel like I'm nipping. To great effect.
Except that your POV isn't that falcon is town, it's that wolf falcon isn't worth your D1 attention.

Knowing Zenge's meta, I don't think it's possible he and Sloonei are W/W.

You are dancing from one to the other and willfully ignoring the third. That's three beats, so I guess it's a waltz or a muneut... though you seem spicy, so I wouldn't put a Fandango outside of your wheelhouse.

I will accept "waltzing around the Zenge/Falcon/Sloonei drama". Especially if it is an endless waltz.

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:52 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:48 am Falcon is not an option.
Soooooooo are you going to elaborate on why you keep saying this, or… ___ …

Already did. Do I need to requote?

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