The Syndicate

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:47 pm It's like now... Mafia are assuming Nanook is dying today (regardless of his alignment). I'm willing to CFD if Marmot is feeling frisky, but I'm probably not going to get anything going myself on account of no one will listen to me.

Can you blame us after what happened with Seanzie?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:45 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:44 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:39 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:38 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:34 pm If Nanook flips red, I want to kill Falcon and Gavial, in that order.
If Nanook flips green, I want to kill Gavial and Falcon, in that order.

Is this reasonable given the game state?
I dont know… im more inclined to want Gavial and Sig in that order for the simple fact that Sabie avoided those two and chose to self preserve onto Seanzie in the end.
It was Seanzie or death
Sabie was 100% expecting death already.
Yeah, I said this 100x, Mafia were playing as though Sabie as eod D1 approached.

I may have missed it and refuse to see it because up until later yesterday i saw you as a troll that could not be taken seriously. But now i realize that if you are town i have to try to work with you or otherwise scum may try to exploit my tunnel and dislike for tour play style.

So did Nanook

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:39 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:38 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:34 pm If Nanook flips red, I want to kill Falcon and Gavial, in that order.
If Nanook flips green, I want to kill Gavial and Falcon, in that order.

Is this reasonable given the game state?
I dont know… im more inclined to want Gavial and Sig in that order for the simple fact that Sabie avoided those two and chose to self preserve onto Seanzie in the end.
It was Seanzie or death

Sabie was 100% expecting death already.

Well thanks to you Seanzie became an option. But before Seanzie Gavial and Sig were her counterwagons, she self preserved onto Gavial but when Seanzie became an option she switched to him. Why do that?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:34 pm If Nanook flips red, I want to kill Falcon and Gavial, in that order.
If Nanook flips green, I want to kill Gavial and Falcon, in that order.

Is this reasonable given the game state?

I dont know… im more inclined to want Gavial and Sig in that order for the simple fact that Sabie avoided those two and chose to self preserve onto Seanzie in the end.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:51 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:52 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:42 pm Watchers should be enough to deter Mafia from trying to use a Pyro airblast to create a False Mafia confirm.
And if Mafia does try to double roleblock one of their own to manually destroy the building the Waters should pick that up and we heavily push the roleblocker who was not supposed to be there.
It's the very post they voted for Gavial, at that time they already had 6 votes on them, SABIE DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE MAIN WAGON
OK, I see what you're talking about.

Still, given they did mention prior to this when they voted Marmot they'd try and make EOD, the sudden push on Sabie makes me pause.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:41 pm I feel as tho Sig has dipped after getting D0 heat

Again didn't just dip, and really didn't get any heat since I don't consider one tunneling towny to be heat.

And again I said pre game i'd be busy, I work sorry can't be around playing mafia 24/7.

I find these two posts especially bad given it allowed falcon to avoid a wagon and he's played enough with me anyway.

For the dizzy thing, the only thing I see from him suspecting me was an agreement with Gullio and that's so nonsensical i'm ignoring it and the fact he didn't like how i described Gavil playstyle, which sorry I stick by that. I liked his post, he was posting early content, and that's that.
"Allowed falcon to avoid a wagon" says the man who voted off both major wagons

This makes Nanook and Sig not part of a team in my opinion.
The ironic part of this is that Nanook expected Sabie to flip but then avoided yeeting her and CFDed Seanzie.

But if hen soon after the cfd happened and it looked like NotAnAxehole read the thread and saw an opening there to try to save Sabie and went for it.

It’s so blantant though. I dont see a wolf pulling that shit off and risking looking so obvious unless TWTBW does not apply for people like NAA

Remember when i said Falcon once raised a red flag for me?
It was this exchange with them. It hit me as they wanted to avoid yeeting Sabie.

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Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm I could vote sabie sig or maybe nanook
Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:36 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm I could vote sabie sig or maybe nanook
Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.
Is there any indication they are aware of their wagon?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:37 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:36 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm I could vote sabie sig or maybe nanook
Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.
Is there any indication they are aware of their wagon?
Yes they commented before and then went poof. ISO them.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Feel opportunistic on Sabie

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:40 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:37 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:36 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm I could vote sabie sig or maybe nanook
Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.
Is there any indication they are aware of their wagon?
Yes they commented before and then went poof. ISO them.
Can you show me where they commented on their wagon?

I do see them mentioning trying to be here for EOD, which would indicate they wouldn't be around for awhile.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Feel opportunistic on Sabie
Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:42 pm Watchers should be enough to deter Mafia from trying to use a Pyro airblast to create a False Mafia confirm.
And if Mafia does try to double roleblock one of their own to manually destroy the building the Waters should pick that up and we heavily push the roleblocker who was not supposed to be there.
It's the very post they voted for Gavial, at that time they already had 6 votes on them, SABIE DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE MAIN WAGON

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Feel opportunistic on Sabie
Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?
I don't see a reason for 7 votes on them currently, which makes me think there's a wolf push on the slot.

My read off their ISO is null, I don't feel strongly either way. It doesn't read scummy enough for 7 votes, so by that virtue I'm town leaning them.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:52 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:42 pm Watchers should be enough to deter Mafia from trying to use a Pyro airblast to create a False Mafia confirm.
And if Mafia does try to double roleblock one of their own to manually destroy the building the Waters should pick that up and we heavily push the roleblocker who was not supposed to be there.
It's the very post they voted for Gavial, at that time they already had 6 votes on them, SABIE DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE MAIN WAGON
OK, I see what you're talking about.

Still, given they did mention prior to this when they voted Marmot they'd try and make EOD, the sudden push on Sabie makes me pause.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:53 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Feel opportunistic on Sabie
Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?
I don't see a reason for 7 votes on them currently, which makes me think there's a wolf push on the slot.

My read off their ISO is null, I don't feel strongly either way. It doesn't read scummy enough for 7 votes, so by that virtue I'm town leaning them.
If Sabie is null they are PoE no?

Like in my case. I never lynch my townreads, fight hard to chop my scum reads but if there is no traction for my scum reads, nulls aka PoE is fine too.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:56 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:53 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: Guillo] aubergine

Feel opportunistic on Sabie
Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?
I don't see a reason for 7 votes on them currently, which makes me think there's a wolf push on the slot.

My read off their ISO is null, I don't feel strongly either way. It doesn't read scummy enough for 7 votes, so by that virtue I'm town leaning them.
If Sabie is null they are PoE no?

Like in my case. I never lynch my townreads, fight hard to chop my scum reads but if there is no traction for my scum reads, nulls aka PoE is fine too.
I don't put nulls into my POE until later in a game, not D1.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:58 pm Like, if I'm Maf, and a player says they won't be around til EOD, if even then, I would find a reason to join that wagon

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:42 pm @sabie12 December 28th at 6pm we're playing video mafia, you should come if you can, maybe you'll actually survive a game day lol

I dont know what it means yet but this looks like Nanook expected Sabie to flip that day.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:23 am I hard claim Blue Heavy and I will use the self save tonight.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Or maybe i won’t

I hard claim Blue Heavy and I will use the self save tonight.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:09 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:07 am yeah Gav I'll work with you for the moment

I'm like near collapse rn tbh

Also haven't read the most recent 400 or so posts
If TSP kills me tonight can you do me a favour and vote Falcon for me?

There is no way you believe you are night kill material after voicing intent to kill Marmot. Why would they night kill you if you are toen when you could end up doing some dirty work for them?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:55 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:46 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:37 pm Why does wolf NAA ever post that to wolf Nanook?

brainfullof.png
I'm open to any thoughts on it. It seems everyone is content with "Mac posted some things that sound somewhat intelligent, he must be town". Mac himself in postgame will admit that nothing he's posted to this point is alignment indicative in the slightest, or the actual nuance that makes it alignment indicative actually isn't what he's being read for.

I don't know how anyone town reads this guy, it's about as crazy as people town reading me for being erratic at times and/or deliberately taking a few pages out of the game to go off on a tangent. It's just not the way to read the player.
You are just entirely outrageously wrong in your appraisal here.

I've been townie. If I hadn't been I'd be getting pushed a lot harder because that's what happens to me. I have a townie claim (that I am backed into a corner to use the way town forces me to use it) and I immediately tried to turbo Sabie when day 2 started well before Marmot outed the red check.

Your arguments that I am not town are confirmation bias, paranoia, tinfoil and StarV brand bad logic mixed together in a blender and out came this shit read.
I might be wrong about your alignment, and still you'll agree with what's in bold post-game.
I think the only players actively townreading me are like Jack, Linearpoint and Guillo and Jack and Linearpoint have outlined good reasons. Guillo might just be pocketing me.

Is it working?

When have i failed to read you correctly? Dont mention stormtossed.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:37 pm Why does wolf NAA ever post that to wolf Nanook?

brainfullof.png
I'm open to any thoughts on it. It seems everyone is content with "Mac posted some things that sound somewhat intelligent, he must be town". Mac himself in postgame will admit that nothing he's posted to this point is alignment indicative in the slightest, or the actual nuance that makes it alignment indicative actually isn't what he's being read for.

I don't know how anyone town reads this guy, it's about as crazy as people town reading me for being erratic at times and/or deliberately taking a few pages out of the game to go off on a tangent. It's just not the way to read the player.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:44 pm I would care about this push if it was anyone other than NAA who nobody ever listens to anyway.

Inv4 this is some sweet hard distancing.

I remember you trying to steer off pressure from Sabie. I have to ISO you.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:37 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:04 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:48 pm fwiw I was beginning to suspect Guilo last phase (as I couldn't see anything convincingly towny about them) but considering Sabie flipped Evil Engi and Guilo maintained and/or even furthered his suspicion of me on D2 despite the fact I claimed engi earlier and Sabie got checked

spews Guilo as town and cannot be possibly a wolf bussing unless he fully intended to indict himself as being a poor solver so far wrt my slot
This is scum. Townreads me while he discredits me as a poor solver, I rather be scumread to be honest that accept that suck ass townread to be frank.

I correctly scum read Sabie since day 1, yah I'm a poor solver alright.
1) I said wrt ("with respect to" or "with consideration to") my slot: Yes you were (or still are; I can't tell if you're serious about "This is scum" here since you haven't voted me) incorrectly solving my slot as scum when that is very much not the case.

2) I do not easily give town-reads over pushes on (or catching) scum. Anyone can do that and in fact I myself have yet to have a scum game where I didn't push or put serious pressure on at least one of my scummates afaik. I am in general very skeptical of giving credit for wolf flips (especially to experienced players) unless there is a nuance that I think makes it unlikely to have been a push by a wolf.

3) I found a nuance that I think makes your push actually look town-read worthy. Its because you've been carting the idea that I'm scum all around on day 2 while Sabie was caught and I claimed engi. This is very unlikely to be done by a wolf when bussing Sabie in this scenario because they are knowingly and willfully dooming one of their scum-reads to be discredited by the scum engi flip.

4) If you're serious about scum-reading me rn for that observation then you're discrediting your solving ability by yourself at this very moment; you only have yourself to blame at this point. its proven I'm town after sabie's evil engi flip and any consideration that I'm not should be viewed as being ridiculous and extremely tinfoil.

1) i didnt know you claimed your role.
2) Roles are NAI. To my understanding wolves coild have two copies of the same role no? Like, if you are hoping to get vleared by role claim, that can’t happen, can it?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:24 pm Or Nanook is just not Mafia, and Mac is peddling whatever LHF will get him to his next win.

Nanook? LHF? Pffff. Nanook is not LHF friendo

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:51 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:49 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:53 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:21 pm @DrWilgy
@MacDougall
@LinearPoint
@Lime Coke
@Dolby
@NotAnAxehole

I want you 6 to remember something very important.
TSP being Mafia Sniper confirms Falcon as Mafia.
Mphh
How is this player allowed to just post this and get by in beyond comprehension.
When I tried to push him as outed mafia for his votes Gavial had some galaxy brain reason for gamestate reading him town.

That guys needs to get vigged.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:51 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:50 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:47 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:46 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:35 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

We should quit these asinine arguments based on NAI/mech fuckery and just kill everyone from the Seanzie wagon day 1 until we hit a wolf. If town saved mafia Sabie over town Seanzie I'll gladly just laugh and move on the next game. This game needs better direction.

Before some giant brain points out I was on that wagon, yes I know, feel free to flip me idc.
I said this before, you are finally sheeping me on this? What took you so long?

Let’s begin with [VOTE: Dolby] aubergine
But like NAA exists.
I dont think NAA risks outing himself doing such a play to save Sabie tbh. If he is scum and actually did that, he’s either very dumb or very ballsy.
Ah, but this is NAA who will do anything in his power to find the suboptimal play and follow it through.

Good point but ive seen him doing that only as town. I think…

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:48 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:46 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:35 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

We should quit these asinine arguments based on NAI/mech fuckery and just kill everyone from the Seanzie wagon day 1 until we hit a wolf. If town saved mafia Sabie over town Seanzie I'll gladly just laugh and move on the next game. This game needs better direction.

Before some giant brain points out I was on that wagon, yes I know, feel free to flip me idc.
I said this before, you are finally sheeping me on this? What took you so long?

Let’s begin with [VOTE: Dolby] aubergine
dude

why've you taken every chance to try to vote me today

Because someone on Seanzie’s wagon gotta be a wolf besides Sabie or i’d be ashamed of being part of this town tbh.

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:49 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:47 am Or Nanook, why i keep forgetting he was part of that CFD
bro

I got on like

an hour before any of the rest of them did

I was on Seanzie before it was cool

Why did you get on Seanzie?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:47 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:46 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:35 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

We should quit these asinine arguments based on NAI/mech fuckery and just kill everyone from the Seanzie wagon day 1 until we hit a wolf. If town saved mafia Sabie over town Seanzie I'll gladly just laugh and move on the next game. This game needs better direction.

Before some giant brain points out I was on that wagon, yes I know, feel free to flip me idc.
I said this before, you are finally sheeping me on this? What took you so long?

Let’s begin with [VOTE: Dolby] aubergine
But like NAA exists.

I dont think NAA risks outing himself doing such a play to save Sabie tbh. If he is scum and actually did that, he’s either very dumb or very ballsy.

Or Nanook, why i keep forgetting he was part of that CFD

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:35 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

We should quit these asinine arguments based on NAI/mech fuckery and just kill everyone from the Seanzie wagon day 1 until we hit a wolf. If town saved mafia Sabie over town Seanzie I'll gladly just laugh and move on the next game. This game needs better direction.

Before some giant brain points out I was on that wagon, yes I know, feel free to flip me idc.

I said this before, you are finally sheeping me on this? What took you so long?

Let’s begin with [VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:22 pm I love coming back to multiple announcements of “you have been mentioned by Gavial”, it fills me with joy every time

Turn notifications off. It’s what i do.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:27 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:23 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:47 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:26 am Im gonna say this. Falcon is treating Gavial like a bad townie, not like scum.
Agreed. Scumread feels fake.
Yeah, you kinda did say it before
YET YOUR NOT DENYING YOUR FAKING.

@MacDougall
@Marmot
@Lime Coke
@LinearPoint
@DrWilgy
@Dolby

IN WHAT WORLD DOES A TOWN MEMBER FAKE SHIT!?

What? You think only scum can deceive town? It hoes both ways holmes.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:21 pm I’m sorry Falcon but I think your mafia here, you aren’t playing like your town games, you are playing really poorly this game and really wolfy.
You are doing what a wolf would do and in your town games you don’t do it as much as your doing it here.

Can you elaborate. The accusation is really cague tbh.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:56 pm Honestly I feel like LC is the kind of player who would intentionally make a plan to not kill N2 just to frame their roleblock target.

LimeCoke? Lol

Trust me, he is not a good strategist. Ive seen him derp as both town and scum. Ivecseen him forgetting submitting his night action as scum, even the factional kill. Lime Coke is not a planner in a team, he is a follower, he likes to be led.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:39 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:38 pmdo we?
Guillo was probably bluffing.

Of course i was bluffing lol. If i had a real shot you’d be dead since night 1. I prayed for it but rand god sucks ass.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:37 pm but we still don't know what happened to guillo's shot either

What shot?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:27 pm I’m going to assume either Gav decides to not shoot Marmot or we yeet Gav because he’s going to shoot marmot and im gonna waste zero time being probably the eighth person to explain how stupid it would be for town to vig shoot Marmot atp.
Do you think if Gav had a shot he wouldn't have used it by now?

Well there was zero kills last night, maybe he did but could not kill anybody.

Im at page 50 and i need to go back to work. Catch up later (6 hours or so)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:53 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:21 pm @DrWilgy
@MacDougall
@LinearPoint
@Lime Coke
@Dolby
@NotAnAxehole

I want you 6 to remember something very important.
TSP being Mafia Sniper confirms Falcon as Mafia.
Mphh

How is this player allowed to just post this and get by in beyond comprehension.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:47 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:26 am Im gonna say this. Falcon is treating Gavial like a bad townie, not like scum.
Agreed. Scumread feels fake.
Okay, yeah.

Townread Guillo, scumlean Falcon.

Hmm. You agree with my statement i take it?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:48 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:10 pm I need to continue voting Guillo unfortunately.
Do you usually vote people you don't think are Maf?

I actually do as RT. You don’t?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:39 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:26 pm We should just play Mafia. Behavior trumps mechanics.
My top 3 picks are mac, falcon, Dolby. Do you town read any of these?
@Guillotine I ask you because you're voting with two of them, so I'm wondering if it's possible for us to consolidate our position

Im voting with Mac. The other one happened to be on that same wagon

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:39 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:26 pm We should just play Mafia. Behavior trumps mechanics.
My top 3 picks are mac, falcon, Dolby. Do you town read any of these?

Im in my break at work.

I townread Mac.

I would sleep safe and sound after a dolby’s chop.

Im indifferent towards a falcon chop.

We should just play Mafia. Behavior trumps mechanics.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:58 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:43 pm Just finished reading that Akemi game and Gavial's play there is identical here.

Meta wins

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:45 pm Figuring out if Gavial was TWTBW or actual scum was tough work, holy shit.
No see this is where Mac went wrong.
He’s basing my entire meta off of that game instead of all my games or majority of them.

Please play optimal here, we kill a roleblocked player today (Jack or Nanook) or we just suffer like hell late game.

If we kill Nanook or Jack is not because they were roleblocked and there was no kill because hello! MacDougall is a heavy who used a self save and he could have been the kill that failed if Mac is town.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:45 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:41 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:38 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:31 pm So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.

I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.

I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.

I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.

Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.
So im townie because i tunneled Sabie but not for low tunneling you? So i cant be scum for hellbussing Sabie for example?
Well I know i'm civ and your reasoning for tunneling on me is god awful. Which imo is usually something mafia are more prone to do D0/1 since it lets them latch onto something, tunnel, do less gameplay wise, and then when someone misflips it's a meh.

So in theory you could be scum for bussing sabie, but given that it was Day 1, Sabie wasn't outted at that point, and there are only four mafia members hard bussins seems a bit less likely. That isn't to say no mafia members voted for her D1, but voting vs hard pushing is very different.

So I guess you'd be a slight town read? but probably my least confident one.
Im gonna pretend i dont scum read you to engage with you. Boom! That read is gone, the tunnel is vanished.

Sig, why do you think Sabie chose to chop Seanzie instead of chopping Gavial and you who were available wagons at the time?

@sig I'm still waiting on this. You should know by now im not letting this one go unanswered.

Sabie choosing to jump onto Seanzie instead of staying on Gavial now makes sense if Gavial is scum.

Figuring out if Gavial was TWTBW or actual scum was tough work, holy shit.

Just finished reading that Akemi game and Gavial's play there is identical here.

Meta wins

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:22 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:18 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:15 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:15 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:53 pm

Ok, so one is town
Ok wait, so it is guaranteed that if there are two same copies of a role, one is town and one is scum?

It cant be both town or both scum?
Honestly, I'm pretty surprised that you think this because with 18 players it's pretty much impossible for all of the roles to be split 50/50 between town and scum, what got you thinking that 2 of the same role can't both be town?
Im actually asking because i dont have that clear
Who knows, I didn't read the OP.
I read it once and i forgot it all gradually over the course of the game but i must admit i didnt understand many things and didnt ask here cause i didnt want to look dumb lol.
I didn't read, asked for a TL;DR on my role PM and got an explanation longer than my role PM. I assumed I was being trolled and just figured I'd play as though this is mountainous.

LMAO

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:15 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:15 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:53 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:52 pm Dolby and Lime Coke are pretty damn Townie and they both claim roleblocker @NotAnAxehole
Ok, so one is town
Ok wait, so it is guaranteed that if there are two same copies of a role, one is town and one is scum?

It cant be both town or both scum?
Honestly, I'm pretty surprised that you think this because with 18 players it's pretty much impossible for all of the roles to be split 50/50 between town and scum, what got you thinking that 2 of the same role can't both be town?
Im actually asking because i dont have that clear
Who knows, I didn't read the OP.

I read it once and i forgot it all gradually over the course of the game but i must admit i didnt understand many things and didnt ask here cause i didnt want to look dumb lol.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:53 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:52 pm Dolby and Lime Coke are pretty damn Townie and they both claim roleblocker @NotAnAxehole
Ok, so one is town
Ok wait, so it is guaranteed that if there are two same copies of a role, one is town and one is scum?

It cant be both town or both scum?
Honestly, I'm pretty surprised that you think this because with 18 players it's pretty much impossible for all of the roles to be split 50/50 between town and scum, what got you thinking that 2 of the same role can't both be town?

Im actually asking because i dont have that clear

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:10 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:38 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:46 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:56 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:55 am LC, it’s more likely that the kill got protected last night imo
@falcon45ca
Who did you medic last night?
Marmot
Why would you claim this and let scum know that they can kill Marmot tonight?

A real medic never claims their targets unless they are at risk of getting chopped.

The fuck is this game?

Why do you assume I'm telling the truth?
I dont, i dont think you are the medic. The medics just shut their mouths until they are at risk.
So what's with all the drama?

The drama is why are you fucking lying?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:38 pm Also, why are people even talking about D1 as though it was a major CFD, Sabie never held a majority vote on D1. She peaked at 7/18 votes.

Because Sabie flipped wolf and any biggest wagon in plurality gets chopped?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:53 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:52 pm Dolby and Lime Coke are pretty damn Townie and they both claim roleblocker @NotAnAxehole
Ok, so one is town

Ok wait, so it is guaranteed that if there are two same copies of a role, one is town and one is scum?

It cant be both town or both scum?

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