The Syndicate

Yeah actually I definitely retract my legacy tr on Nutella she’s way too quiet rn

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:54 pm I'd recommend everyone look at scum Jay here: https://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.ph ... ry.268037/

(Obviously after the flip today)

U think it’s very similar ?

/vote jjj

cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:53 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:52 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:51 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:50 pm Fwiw if I die I think nutella/alexa are always town and wouldn’t reconsider till lylo

not respecting the nutella read

yeah i felt bad about it the moment i hit submit

tfw i'm your only townread

LOL don’t make me paranoid -.-

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:51 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:50 pm Fwiw if I die I think nutella/alexa are always town and wouldn’t reconsider till lylo

not respecting the nutella read

yeah i felt bad about it the moment i hit submit

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:49 pm I'm struggling to vote for Wilgy given his claim and that he's not someone that can be arsked to do what you want

I'd rather vote for Anne.

then why keep someone like that around????

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:50 pm Fwiw if I die I think nutella/alexa are always town and wouldn’t reconsider till lylo

Actually no, ignore that part about nutella I’m unsure

Fwiw if I die I think nutella/alexa are always town and wouldn’t reconsider till lylo

Tbh I would be content with a wagon back on naa again if anyone wants to go there

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:46 pm "I'm a vig" and dip is pretty scummy too tbh

YEA

Wilgy is supposedly a vig but is doing literally nothing to try and solve people rn

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:42 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:42 pm Though it’s not so much that I wanna kill a particular person it’s moreso that I don’t like Anne being a top wagon, people had the whole day to push or engage her and instead the votes pile up randomly at eod when she’s not around to defend herself

tbf she disappeared around mid day and never came back and like... well... not much the people sussing her can do about that

Yes but if they had problems with her posts they shoulda said it when she was around imo, the voting this close to eod feels opportunistic

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:40 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:39 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:37 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:36 pm Wtf how is MR a wagon too? Bro what is this town

i kinda get you but at the same time i dont really get you

mr has posted some wolfy stuff and mainly it was his entrance + random theory arguments + attitude that felt villagery

youre struggling with forming wolfreads too so idk how you act like youre better

Yes I’m struggling too but I’m not voting people who projected actual towniness. Yes it’s true he only had 2 towny posts buts that’s still 2 more towny posts than a lot of people

can you list your pool of never-towntold-in-your-eyes players? im sure its in your iso but navigating on this sites kind of annoying

I think the amount of genuine towntells this game has been super low and scarce which is why my tr list changes a lot

I think alexa is the only person who has been consistently towny followed by maybe marmot

Anne towntold on pg 6, mr towntold in first post and the post I tagged, Nutella got towny this eod, and you were kinda towny at the start but not as towny as you normally are

Though it’s not so much that I wanna kill a particular person it’s moreso that I don’t like Anne being a top wagon, people had the whole day to push or engage her and instead the votes pile up randomly at eod when she’s not around to defend herself

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:40 pm who do u wanna kill, illario?

Wilgy for the gimmick and I don’t like his reads

Jjj for scummy votes

Okay yeah I didn’t see marmots case tbh but idk man I just don’t like voting people who aren’t around to defend themselves

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:37 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:36 pm Wtf how is MR a wagon too? Bro what is this town

i kinda get you but at the same time i dont really get you

mr has posted some wolfy stuff and mainly it was his entrance + random theory arguments + attitude that felt villagery

youre struggling with forming wolfreads too so idk how you act like youre better

Yes I’m struggling too but I’m not voting people who projected actual towniness. Yes it’s true he only had 2 towny posts buts that’s still 2 more towny posts than a lot of people

I hope I get nightkilled

Wtf how is MR a wagon too? Bro what is this town

Alexa don’t waste ur vote


I don’t disagree with it but there’s no chance he’s going over today

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:33 pm Wanting of flipping Anne. Ising trusting of Nutella.

If it’s between u and Anne I’m picking u to die lol

@DrWilgy

Gimme a list of 3 names u plan to shoot and explain why and I’ll consider taking my vote of you

Of you don’t use the word ising or wasing for the rest of eod then I’ll definitely take my vote of you

Btw I mean the post that alexa quoted from spf, not alexas post

cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:28 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:28 pm i could be wrong about this, but i think that as a general principle, anne is more likely to get frustrated and demotivated with games as a wolf than as a villager. i can distinctly recall her outright giving up before as a wolf, but i'm not sure if i've ever seen her give up as a villager. the fact that she appears to have no interest in playing this game is ARGUABLY wolf-indicative for her

but what i dont understand is how so many people without the same meta as me are suspicious of her as well - my thoughts about her are similar to NAA in the sense that i think she ~fits~ as a possible wolf, but im dumbfounded by where the suspicion is coming from

low key that's outdated meta, though

That post is scummy which is giving me pause to being on the drwilgy wagon since she was one of the first voters lol

@DrWilgy claim

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:27 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:26 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:25 pm I have decided more strongly that I actively want to flip anne based on a couple things in the last couple pages

can you talk about that a bit more please?

was debating whether to hold this til d2 but

iaafr is blatantly teamed with her

lmao nutells is town

but wrong

u might be right on iaafr idk, but i dont think anne is maf

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:25 pm i think that wilgy is the type of player that people might find easy to push on regardless of his alignment, and i also would be lying if i said that ive gotten anything alignment indicative out of his posts

the real reason that im voting for him is because he has a vested interest in maintaining an active presence in this game, but he does not appear to have a vested interest in solving the game. when someone cares a lot about a game but that "caring" doesn't translate to any visible scumhunting, then it can be indicative of the person playing in a wolf mindset

I’m voting him because I don’t have a better vote and I don’t have time to sit and decipher his gimmick, and the few reada he gave felt off to me. The chance of it being scum is exactly rand

Anne’s frustration in the game wasn’t even scummy, her assessment imo was very accurate in calling the game bad. The level of quality of players is high but the level of play was Incredibly low because everhone was just sitting and waiting for someone else to do something, or just content waiting till 2. There was hardly any relevant game related discussion and the day was a total waste full of people shrugvoting, barely anybody projected towniness to any worthwhile degree and the people who were posting the most were just spamming the thread with nonsense to hit post cap. With all these things considered I have no problem with how anne was reacting to the game and if anything I side-eye anyone who thinks this d1 was remotely productive

Yeah naa is way more talkative this eod

@nutella dont vote anne

wtf anne isnnt even here and u guys are voting her
\
unvote

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:41 pm Anne is pretty much a black hole for me as a read. My response to the wagon is essentially: “okay”

jjj feels content with any wagon thats not him i feel

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:27 pm CFD on Ilario?

i repeat, mac deserves to be death tunneled for clearing this guy

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:50 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Response to SPF is pretty fart

There's nothing much I feel the need to say to her or to anyone. SPF's was a fairly lazy but understandable reaction to my posts. People who high post and give 'effort' don't tend to like people who hang around not keeping up with them, and all it takes is a little thing to nitpick (such as my 'shrug' at the Mac thing) to become 'PoE because why not'. This is particularly true in a gamestate with quality players doing quality things - it's hard to find good wolves on D1 and easy to go after the leftovers of the lobby.

I've given a few passing thoughts on things I had passing thoughts on, but I will not be making any effort to do more, particularly not in D1. I stand by my initial bold declaration - I will not be a miselim this game.

towny

Gm I’m catching up what I missed

yeah okay thanks for proving my point

/vote mac

im not changing this vote

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:14 am Like, what exactly are you trying to say here ilario?



That Mac is town and used his ability sub-optimally by clearing me? That I'm town using my role sub-optimally? That Mac is Maf? That I'm Maf?

I’m saying that mac was in a position where he was already being scumread by the lobby. He was also playing in a slanky way, meanwhile you had almost no pressure on you. In that situation, it is beneficial for him to get himself cleared even if that means he has to wait a little longer. Not only that but He’s seen I’ve seen take charge in games and solo carry, so clearing a slot like that is valuable. And I’m not doubting your ability to carry and I’m sure you’re capable of that, but you don’t strike me as someone who likes to take charge of the lobby and that’s fine because I don’t really like to either even if my play might sometimes contradict that. So with all those points considered i find the use of his ability to clear you over himself very off.


And don’t get me wrong, I can see a world where he got impatient and trigger happy and used it as town, Which is why my knee jerk reaction was to change my vote just a few moments after I put my vote on him and put it in drwilgy who I found to be actually scummy. You can both very well be town, but neither you nor him have given me a single good reason as to why he is town. The onus is not on me there, because you’re the one telling people to unvote mac.

On the flip side if mac is mafia, I can see a world where he’s also just using that as a cover story and was planning to convince u to let him use it on you anyways even if you had joined in time.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:51 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:10 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:06 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:04 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:01 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:21 am @falcon45ca Can you/did you confirm this mechanic?

Yes. Get yo dang votes off Mac

Why do you think he's town?

If he wasn't, he wouldn't have checked me & got me into our chat

Huh?

From my understanding the chat already existed BEFORE he decided to check you. If that’s the case you need to clearly outline yours roles and the sequence of events that make him clear to you.

Falcon if you can do either of the following before eod I will consider easing up on mac:

-iso and give detailed reads on 3 poe slots
-properly catch up to the game and give us a summary of where you stand
-make a proper case for someone else who should be voted instead of Mac and why

Until either of that happens I will maintain the fact that I think mac used his ability in a suboptimal way. But as of rn if you are town you’re potentially a clear and doing almost nothing with it and just wasting it.

It did exist before, but I hadn't joined it.



If I can, then you'll consider? Sounds like you want me to do a bunch of work for a maybe. Ain't happenin'.



Why is Mac Maf? Oh yeah, using an ability suboptimally doesn't make someone Maf. You're too eager to lynch someone you seem to be aware stands a good chance of being town.

I want you to do a bunch of work to prove me wrong or else you’re just proving my point that mac used his ability to go ahead and clear a slot that proceeds to do nothing with it is far more anti-town than letting you clear him and remove a slot that will likely be dealt with a shit tonne of paranoia and has been already.

Like you have little awareness of what’s actually happening which is why I’m prompting you to actually read the thread in my previous post because if you paid any attention you would realize half the people you’re accusing of being eager to lynch mac aren’t even voting him right now.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:06 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:04 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:01 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:21 am @falcon45ca Can you/did you confirm this mechanic?

Yes. Get yo dang votes off Mac

Why do you think he's town?

If he wasn't, he wouldn't have checked me & got me into our chat

Huh?

From my understanding the chat already existed BEFORE he decided to check you. If that’s the case you need to clearly outline yours roles and the sequence of events that make him clear to you.

Falcon if you can do either of the following before eod I will consider easing up on mac:

-iso and give detailed reads on 3 poe slots
-properly catch up to the game and give us a summary of where you stand
-make a proper case for someone else who should be voted instead of Mac and why

Until either of that happens I will maintain the fact that I think mac used his ability in a suboptimal way. But as of rn if you are town you’re potentially a clear and doing almost nothing with it and just wasting it.

cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:12 am If anyone knew how much I cried on my last wolf rand they'd have me as lock town

Tbh that's why I'm mildly surprised I'm not one of Anne's top townreads but I also get it I guess lmao

You’re probably my top town but it has nothing to do with this post or the crying stuff cos I think you would be able to cover that up regardless if you wanted to.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:01 am Mac's story doesn't feel like a lie? When mafia lie about mechanics they tend to either keep it simple ('I'm a cop') or overly complex ('I'm a cop on Nights that fall within the fibonacci sequence but I only get a result if its a 3P who has activated their ability and I get a double cop on N1'). Mac's story is specific in a different way ('after 26 hours I got fed up and used it') that is unlikely to be fabricated.

Or it is just a clever lie I guess, which is also a possibility because uh we're starting to reach peak 'confirmed town' in a game that's supposedly not bastard, so I can only imagine the power Mafia have here.

It doesn’t have to be a lie for him to be mafia. I don’t have any gripes with the claim I have gripes with how he used his role. And idc if he waited 26 hours I’m sure mac would see the value in having his slot cleared especially when people were already wary of him at the start of the game, especially when he has the ability to carry this game himself if he became clear and tried. What does clearing falcon achieve for town? I’ve seen falcon cleared one game before and he just proceeded to stop caring about the game and essentially 5 posted every day phase, it was a bad decision by mac if he’s town to clear falcon over himself considering ive heard falcon is pretty easy to read from others and the fact that falcon is gonna sheep Mac regardless despite being the clear and i think too highly of Mac to think he would make a bad play like that whilst simultaneously having a poe that I have an immense amount of trouble seeing of having any sense to it. He essentially has me and 2 slots who I have clearing interactions with on his poe, it’s just incredibly strange to believe that he legitimately believes me being scum with either dizzy or Cassandra makes sense based on the interactions I’ve had with both slots.

Lmao macs claim is a big yikes

Essentially I find it very weird that Mac would ever give up an opportunity to clear his slot and let falcon green check him so I found it very weird he didn’t just wait for falcon to join the discord, I also think the dynamic of giving the neighbourhood a green check on each other is kinda pointless if they were both green and much more interesting if there’s one red and one green which may be the case.

/vote mac

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:28 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:25 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:22 am Part of our role is that we're confirmed town to each other (like masons). If me and ilario are of different alignments, then the game is bastard and the rules explicitly state that this isn't a bastard game.

@ilario - can you confirm that this is true?

i'm p sure it is considering ilario mentioned talking in a chat and they share a vote (their slot is ilario/leetic in the poll) fwiw

also @ilario what was it that leetic said that may make Nook scum?

he explained it somewhere in the thread but it had something to do with thinking nook might have tmi on us

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:31 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:28 pmFwiw I don’t think that’s true at all, I don’t remember a single case from you that game, but that could just be me misremembering since u snowed me. The point I specifically remember is when naa and marmot were trying to push me towards end of the game you pretty much popped up and more or less were like “sure lols why not” and then just voted me and went back to being afk.

Yeah, it's probably not relevant to get too deep into this discussions. What things looks like and what the intent is, are often two different things entirely. It's all wildly different to me though.

Yes and whilst that’s very true, I can’t know what you’re thinking unless you say it. You might have had brilliant reasons for all your trs this game and for your vote on Mac (and if you’re town I have no doubt that’s the case as you’re a brilliant player) , but I can’t know that unless you verbalize it. You have to see it from my point of view because it all looks the same to me unless you verbalize your thoughts and make it obvious what your intent is. It’s wildly different to you because you have tmi on your role card and what you’re thinking but I can’t figure any of that out unless you help me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:18 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:14 pm Your votes also feel like a parallel of last game where you kinda just vote the name that everyone is saying the most and don’t really go out of your way to find why that slot is being voted or to interact with that slot in any way to find out if that slot should be being voted to begin with.

I totally interacted with the slots I voted last game, pretending like I was solving them. I even wrote the cases for why some of them should be voted. Right now I'm just voting top wagons I'm ok voting because wagons are good and cool on D1. Your read is still bad.

Fwiw I don’t think that’s true at all, I don’t remember a single case from you that game, but that could just be me misremembering since u snowed me. The point I specifically remember is when naa and marmot were trying to push me towards end of the game you pretty much popped up and more or less were like “sure lols why not” and then just voted me and went back to being afk.

Okay dizzy is probably town but I cbf explaining why I changed my mind.

I don’t have enough posts left to figure out who actually is mafia so I’m just gonna vote out in the poool of drwilgy/naa/marmot. From the three I think drwilgy is the only one I actually sr, the other two are purely for strategical reasons even if I do think they’re both pretty likely to be town.

@nutella u still haven’t explained what about me is towny

/vote drwilgy

Your votes also feel like a parallel of last game where you kinda just vote the name that everyone is saying the most and don’t really go out of your way to find why that slot is being voted or to interact with that slot in any way to find out if that slot should be being voted to begin with.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:06 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:00 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:52 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:39 pm Wouldn’t be surprised if dizzy is a wolf again

And yeah spf I confirm everything my hydra said

Would you be surprised if I'm town?

Not really

My initial thought when I saw you come in with that line trying to align to me and marmot was : “surely dizzy wouldn’t employ the exact same strategy as mafia twice” and that thought alone gave me pause to the idea of you being scum. But yeah I think that’s a bad reason to hold myself back from a sr, I do think there are parallels to your previous game in how you entered and how you’ve been playing the game out

There are like no parallells tbh. Which doesn't mean I can't be any alignment here. But in the game you're referring to, I actually read the game and came up with reads and reasons which I think I would've had if I was town in the same situation. This game, I've read next to nothing, I'm spouting out whatever on impression, trying to triangulate takes based on he said she said they said and random posts I come across. I gather that you/Leetic are probably town. It looked to me like Marmot was invested and doing analysis things and not just falling back on wifom and too cool for school, which is more town for Marmot. It seems there's some contention to a Marmot town read, so my impression may be wrong. So I don't really have a real read there yet until I check for myself. I don't see the parallell at all, but it's not for me to see.

The parallel was that you came in and almost all your takes feel very consensus to me and easy reads to make. Your initial townreads were on the slots that were the most easiest slots to tr, iirc you had nutella as a tr but you said you haven’t read the game and Nutella wasn’t online when you were posting so I have no idea how you can tr a slot you supposedly haven’t read.,Your interactions with people, whilst fun and enjoyable to read doesn’t strike me as someone whose trying to solve anyone’s alignment when speaking to someone, rather just trying to vibe and survive.

Fwiw, The scummiest thing about nutella is that she has a tr on me at all. If it weren’t for that fact I would feel confident about slotting her as town for the next few days. I don’t think she’s ever tr’d me in a game and normally scumreads me for NAI stuff such as getting tilted which is probably >rand town for me actually. I’d expect her read to be similar to marmots on me who just has a bad scumread On me for awful reasons, and I don’t think nutella ever really explained her tr on me when I asked at first either. I do think that’s weird for her because I don’t think I’ve remotely towntold in a way that most people would recognize other than a small few who know me. That being said, if she’s a wolf I do think she’s townsiding pretty hard with some of the stances she’s taken and I feel like if she were a wolf she would be more likely to try and powerwolf rather than townside so yeah maybe Occam’s razor is that She’s town and I’m just paranoid on her for no reason.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:52 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:39 pm Wouldn’t be surprised if dizzy is a wolf again

And yeah spf I confirm everything my hydra said

Would you be surprised if I'm town?

Not really

My initial thought when I saw you come in with that line trying to align to me and marmot was : “surely dizzy wouldn’t employ the exact same strategy as mafia twice” and that thought alone gave me pause to the idea of you being scum. But yeah I think that’s a bad reason to hold myself back from a sr, I do think there are parallels to your previous game in how you entered and how you’ve been playing the game out