Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[NotAnAxehole]

@iaafr I'm going to throw something at you that I know you're going to scoff at / think is a stupid thing to make anything out of, but I want you to reflect on it and give me the inside scoop on what runs your boat. I felt like you tried reasonably hard to post things that imply that you're town on D0, and it felt quite... Forced, talk to me about your thought process when you come into a game as "lhf" (your words). What are you trying to do as town, and as mafia.

this game has a lot of players i consider strong players who post a lot of good words as either alignment

i was half-seriously making reference to the fact that i might be a viable day 1, especially since i've been off my game recently and have not been as obvious town as town as i historically have been

it was an idle shitpost that did not have any game-forwarding intent as either alignment (i happened to be town but id say its fair to treat that thought as nai)

So you firmly believe (note I've only read the first few posts from you in the thread), that you're obvious town already - or well on your way there?

[Marmot]

Yo

[falcon45ca]

CFD on Ilario?

why

I feel like they have wonky progressions on many of their reads, then seem content to park a vote & scram.

[leetic]

What's the current case on Anne? She seems to have become a viable option rather quickly

[falcon45ca]

Yo

Hey NAA stole your profile pic & it's bullshit

[iaafr]

@iaafr I'm going to throw something at you that I know you're going to scoff at / think is a stupid thing to make anything out of, but I want you to reflect on it and give me the inside scoop on what runs your boat. I felt like you tried reasonably hard to post things that imply that you're town on D0, and it felt quite... Forced, talk to me about your thought process when you come into a game as "lhf" (your words). What are you trying to do as town, and as mafia.

this game has a lot of players i consider strong players who post a lot of good words as either alignment

i was half-seriously making reference to the fact that i might be a viable day 1, especially since i've been off my game recently and have not been as obvious town as town as i historically have been

it was an idle shitpost that did not have any game-forwarding intent as either alignment (i happened to be town but id say its fair to treat that thought as nai)

So you firmly believe (note I've only read the first few posts from you in the thread), that you're obvious town already - or well on your way there?

i firmly believe that my body of work should at least be generally townread over scumread by this point, and arguably by as early as 20-30 posts in to my d1 posting

you should catch up and see how consensus town i am (and identify the scum TMIing me and capitulating to my town status, at least for now, if you think my thread standing is unwarranted and indicative of scum TMI)

[Marmot]

CFD on Ilario?

why

I feel like they have wonky progressions on many of their reads, then seem content to park a vote & scram.

I disagree with the idea of them having a scumread and not voting for them. We're all allowed to have more than one scumread.

[Marmot]

Yo

Hey NAA stole your profile pic & it's bullshit

It is marginally confusing, especially for people who don't know me as well probably.

[leetic]

CFD on Ilario?

why

I feel like they have wonky progressions on many of their reads, then seem content to park a vote & scram.

You do realize that our restriction is twice as strict as yours and that's why we couldn't talk too much in thread? Of course, now that the restriction is over I'm going in guns blazing

Also explain "wonky reads"

[iaafr]

What's the current case on Anne? She seems to have become a viable option rather quickly

basically that her self professed discomfort and inability to get into the game is actually possibly the scum version and she isn't holistically that towny

what're your independent thoughts on her aorn?

[Marmot]

Also falcon, I'm not caught up and I don't have time, but why do you townread Mac so much?

[NotAnAxehole]

What's the current case on Anne? She seems to have become a viable option rather quickly

I don't case people, but if I had to steer you in a direction that would have you seeing my PoV, I'd say look at the first few posts from Anne after the start of D1, look at her attitude, which hasn't really reflected how I've seen the thread outside of one or two people who are upset about something non-game related, and look at her vote, I firmly believe exactly 2 people on my wagon feel like they have a legitimate reason to vote me.

[Marmot]

Did the poll end time change?

[NotAnAxehole]

Did the poll end time change?

yes

[Marmot]

Oh I see, we have 1.5 hours because of a polling error.

K, I'll take the time to catch up.

[iaafr]

now im seeing it as 6 pm

though i havent realized for awhile that the site clock isnt synced with my actual clock so now it's correct

[falcon45ca]

CFD on Ilario?

why

I feel like they have wonky progressions on many of their reads, then seem content to park a vote & scram.

I disagree with the idea of them having a scumread and not voting for them. We're all allowed to have more than one scumread.

Of course, I'd never say otherwise.



How do you feel about their thread absence since, and the manner in which they're content to park their vote on Mac, when previously they'd moved their vote around a fair bit?



They had reads that weren't fully...developed let's say? Subject to change at the very least. Yet now, based off their perception of Mac being "sub-optimal", are fine with locking down?

[leetic]

What's the current case on Anne? She seems to have become a viable option rather quickly

basically that her self professed discomfort and inability to get into the game is actually possibly the scum version and she isn't holistically that towny

what're your independent thoughts on her aorn?

The fact that I don't feel much about her posts is probably a bad sign and she is definitely a suspect if we end up voting town today as she seems like someone pretty comfortble with thread state last she arrived, but I feel more comfortable on Wilgy/MR/Axehole. My partner did have a townread on her last I checked so maybe you should talk to him.

[NotAnAxehole]

Yo

Hey NAA stole your profile pic & it's bullshit

It is marginally confusing, especially for people who don't know me as well probably.

I'll change it at EoD

[falcon45ca]

Yo

Hey NAA stole your profile pic & it's bullshit

It is marginally confusing, especially for people who don't know me as well probably.

I'll change it at EoD

That's actually very sweet of you.

[DrWilgy]

Notting of Mac, Falcon the trusting; My vote away.

NAA's case?

You're still scummy. Give me a reason why I should not vote you.

Notting the Likely. Wasing of little reading, really.

Better the looking of trusty wagons.

[nutella]

Why can't people be hedgey? It's D1 and the wolves aren't obvious.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine Yeah that isn't happening.

All this "x could be scum, but could also be town" and "I don't want to vote for anyone, they're all so towny" doesn't help town at all and makes it easy for wolves to hide.

I have 1 post left, which I'll reserve in case of something that I or my partner really need to say. See you at EoD.

Can you pinpoint why hedging is mafia indicative or do you just not like it? You may view it as counterproductive and not efficient protown behavior but that doesn't make it not town behavior. I will die on the hill that hedging is more villagery than not on average

Hedging is scummy because scum are far more concerned about staying consistent. They don't want too much scum reads off the bat because they don't want to make too many enemies or be blamed when their vote goes wrong but don't want many townreads either because they might have to vote them out later. I can link you to times when I caught a wolf based on excessive hedginess or when I was hedgy as a wolf myself. Of course, it can also be indicative of inexperienced villagers, but I'd like to think that the player quality here is too good for that

see your first sentence sounds like a contradiction to me

but i don't have the energy to argue about this, we simply have completely opposite views

[falcon45ca]

NAA not self pressing? Why oh why?

[Marmot]

now im seeing it as 6 pm

though i havent realized for awhile that the site clock isnt synced with my actual clock so now it's correct

You have to manually turn daylight savings on here, is that the discrepency?

[NotAnAxehole]

What's the current case on Anne? She seems to have become a viable option rather quickly

basically that her self professed discomfort and inability to get into the game is actually possibly the scum version and she isn't holistically that towny

what're your independent thoughts on her aorn?

The fact that I don't feel much about her posts is probably a bad sign and she is definitely a suspect if we end up voting town today as she seems like someone pretty comfortble with thread state last she arrived, but I feel more comfortable on Wilgy/MR/Axehole. My partner did have a townread on her last I checked so maybe you should talk to him.

You realize the entire case on me is that I'm causing town to lose, on a site that is constantly losing as town whether or not I'm a part of it. Like, the read is almost unreasonable to have at this point unless you're Mickey Mouse himself, or upset that you haven't won in a while.

[leetic]

CFD on Ilario?

why

I feel like they have wonky progressions on many of their reads, then seem content to park a vote & scram.

I disagree with the idea of them having a scumread and not voting for them. We're all allowed to have more than one scumread.

Of course, I'd never say otherwise.



How do you feel about their thread absence since, and the manner in which they're content to park their vote on Mac, when previously they'd moved their vote around a fair bit?



They had reads that weren't fully...developed let's say? Subject to change at the very least. Yet now, based off their perception of Mac being "sub-optimal", are fine with locking down?

Were you paying attention? We shared a post restriction so we had to use our posts conservatively, we couldn't just spam the thread. Of course now that is no longer an issue. We have problems with some of Mac's reads and my partner is a bit suspicious of his actions but we agree that his claim means there is at least a significant chance he is town (I think it's most likely the case). Of course I can change my reads in light of new information

[leetic]

What's the current case on Anne? She seems to have become a viable option rather quickly

basically that her self professed discomfort and inability to get into the game is actually possibly the scum version and she isn't holistically that towny

what're your independent thoughts on her aorn?

The fact that I don't feel much about her posts is probably a bad sign and she is definitely a suspect if we end up voting town today as she seems like someone pretty comfortble with thread state last she arrived, but I feel more comfortable on Wilgy/MR/Axehole. My partner did have a townread on her last I checked so maybe you should talk to him.

You realize the entire case on me is that I'm causing town to lose, on a site that is constantly losing as town whether or not I'm a part of it. Like, the read is almost unreasonable to have at this point unless you're Mickey Mouse himself, or upset that you haven't won in a while.

You haven't done anything to make me think you're town, your behavior is NAI at best and when there's so many people who have more reason to be townread you stand out

[iaafr]

if falcon/mac are town/town then i am sort of skeptical of nutella/jay in particular

anne being w clears nutella in my worldview tho, i just personally dont currently think anne is w (open to being wrong tho)

[falcon45ca]

Notting of Mac, Falcon the trusting; My vote away.

NAA's case?

You're still scummy. Give me a reason why I should not vote you.

Notting the Likely. Wasing of little reading, really.

Better the looking of trusty wagons.

Do you feel this style of communication is more effective?




Cuz' I don't

[Lime Coke]

Look the main reason I find Anne towny is based on her disdain being in this game. I think she kind of doesn't like being town as much as being mafia so she's been quite annoyed with how this game has gone, specifically with how her reads have progressed this game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anne is pretty much a black hole for me as a read. My response to the wagon is essentially: “okay”

[leetic]

Why can't people be hedgey? It's D1 and the wolves aren't obvious.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine Yeah that isn't happening.

All this "x could be scum, but could also be town" and "I don't want to vote for anyone, they're all so towny" doesn't help town at all and makes it easy for wolves to hide.

I have 1 post left, which I'll reserve in case of something that I or my partner really need to say. See you at EoD.

Can you pinpoint why hedging is mafia indicative or do you just not like it? You may view it as counterproductive and not efficient protown behavior but that doesn't make it not town behavior. I will die on the hill that hedging is more villagery than not on average

Hedging is scummy because scum are far more concerned about staying consistent. They don't want too much scum reads off the bat because they don't want to make too many enemies or be blamed when their vote goes wrong but don't want many townreads either because they might have to vote them out later. I can link you to times when I caught a wolf based on excessive hedginess or when I was hedgy as a wolf myself. Of course, it can also be indicative of inexperienced villagers, but I'd like to think that the player quality here is too good for that

see your first sentence sounds like a contradiction to me

but i don't have the energy to argue about this, we simply have completely opposite views

Why did you say that voting "sleep" is the best option?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

if falcon/mac are town/town then i am sort of skeptical of nutella/jay in particular

anne being w clears nutella in my worldview tho, i just personally dont currently think anne is w (open to being wrong tho)

What would be the first thing to give you pause about an Anne vote

[Marmot]

CFD on Ilario?

why

I feel like they have wonky progressions on many of their reads, then seem content to park a vote & scram.

I disagree with the idea of them having a scumread and not voting for them. We're all allowed to have more than one scumread.

Of course, I'd never say otherwise.



How do you feel about their thread absence since, and the manner in which they're content to park their vote on Mac, when previously they'd moved their vote around a fair bit?



They had reads that weren't fully...developed let's say? Subject to change at the very least. Yet now, based off their perception of Mac being "sub-optimal", are fine with locking down?

I was watching their postcount, they had about 3 posts combined for their slot when I went to bed last night (like 55 for one, 42 for the other or something like that), so I could see them being cautious using the remaining posts.

I also had concerns about leetic early in the day, but I had second thoughts when I saw how they handled Mac, developing a read further. I dunno, I guess we're seeing it differently. To me, Mac is far from lock-town, but he seems to be lock-town for you, can you help us get there on him?

[leetic]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[NotAnAxehole]

What's the current case on Anne? She seems to have become a viable option rather quickly

basically that her self professed discomfort and inability to get into the game is actually possibly the scum version and she isn't holistically that towny

what're your independent thoughts on her aorn?

The fact that I don't feel much about her posts is probably a bad sign and she is definitely a suspect if we end up voting town today as she seems like someone pretty comfortble with thread state last she arrived, but I feel more comfortable on Wilgy/MR/Axehole. My partner did have a townread on her last I checked so maybe you should talk to him.

You realize the entire case on me is that I'm causing town to lose, on a site that is constantly losing as town whether or not I'm a part of it. Like, the read is almost unreasonable to have at this point unless you're Mickey Mouse himself, or upset that you haven't won in a while.

You haven't done anything to make me think you're town, your behavior is NAI at best and when there's so many people who have more reason to be townread you stand out

Right, so you know ilario's alignment, and ilario thinks that I'm town. Yet there are so many people who have more reason to be town read than me? I think maybe you should check with Ilario what he sees, or at least try to make sense of why you have so many town reads. It seems unreasonable to sit on D1 with a bunch of town reads without re-evaluating the thought process behind that (although I know the feeling).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Look the main reason I find Anne towny is based on her disdain being in this game. I think she kind of doesn't like being town as much as being mafia so she's been quite annoyed with how this game has gone, specifically with how her reads have progressed this game.

Is this a meta view that you’d say is based on numerous incidents or more of a general idea you have of anne as a player

[Marmot]

Anne is pretty much a black hole for me as a read. My response to the wagon is essentially: “okay”

That's about where I'm at. Any particular reason you're commenting on Anne here?

[iaafr]

i have no real scum reads so yeah don't ask me for that and generally don't feel motivated

ngl this game is kinda bad, not feeling it

im also not having fun in this thread although it may seem like it, i think the vibe is uncomfortable to be fully honest. i feel compelled to post though because early day 1 is the easiest time to for me

idk i just read these as the real town version

also her mild suspicion of spf into dropping it felt sorta real

and the way she just stopped playing at 3 townreads and sheeping us onto naa felt real

ive seen demotivated scum anne (in jack town) and it looked different iirc

[leetic]

What's the current case on Anne? She seems to have become a viable option rather quickly

basically that her self professed discomfort and inability to get into the game is actually possibly the scum version and she isn't holistically that towny

what're your independent thoughts on her aorn?

The fact that I don't feel much about her posts is probably a bad sign and she is definitely a suspect if we end up voting town today as she seems like someone pretty comfortble with thread state last she arrived, but I feel more comfortable on Wilgy/MR/Axehole. My partner did have a townread on her last I checked so maybe you should talk to him.

You realize the entire case on me is that I'm causing town to lose, on a site that is constantly losing as town whether or not I'm a part of it. Like, the read is almost unreasonable to have at this point unless you're Mickey Mouse himself, or upset that you haven't won in a while.

You haven't done anything to make me think you're town, your behavior is NAI at best and when there's so many people who have more reason to be townread you stand out

Right, so you know ilario's alignment, and ilario thinks that I'm town. Yet there are so many people who have more reason to be town read than me? I think maybe you should check with Ilario what he sees, or at least try to make sense of why you have so many town reads. It seems unreasonable to sit on D1 with a bunch of town reads without re-evaluating the thought process behind that (although I know the feeling).

This is about you, not ilario. Why should I believe you are town?

[nutella]

Why can't people be hedgey? It's D1 and the wolves aren't obvious.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine Yeah that isn't happening.

All this "x could be scum, but could also be town" and "I don't want to vote for anyone, they're all so towny" doesn't help town at all and makes it easy for wolves to hide.

I have 1 post left, which I'll reserve in case of something that I or my partner really need to say. See you at EoD.

Can you pinpoint why hedging is mafia indicative or do you just not like it? You may view it as counterproductive and not efficient protown behavior but that doesn't make it not town behavior. I will die on the hill that hedging is more villagery than not on average

Hedging is scummy because scum are far more concerned about staying consistent. They don't want too much scum reads off the bat because they don't want to make too many enemies or be blamed when their vote goes wrong but don't want many townreads either because they might have to vote them out later. I can link you to times when I caught a wolf based on excessive hedginess or when I was hedgy as a wolf myself. Of course, it can also be indicative of inexperienced villagers, but I'd like to think that the player quality here is too good for that

see your first sentence sounds like a contradiction to me

but i don't have the energy to argue about this, we simply have completely opposite views

Why did you say that voting "sleep" is the best option?

Memes

[Lime Coke]

Look the main reason I find Anne towny is based on her disdain being in this game. I think she kind of doesn't like being town as much as being mafia so she's been quite annoyed with how this game has gone, specifically with how her reads have progressed this game.

Is this a meta view that you’d say is based on numerous incidents or more of a general idea you have of anne as a player

It's what I've seen in the past couple of games that I've been in or seen with her.

[iaafr]

its a pretty low confidence townread and like anne flipping wouldnt be the end of the world and her flipping red would be a boon to town but

personally i still find naa less towny?

idk how to read naa tbh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anne is pretty much a black hole for me as a read. My response to the wagon is essentially: “okay”

That's about where I'm at. Any particular reason you're commenting on Anne here?

She’s shot up in votes since I last checked in; first thing I noticed

[nutella]

Look the main reason I find Anne towny is based on her disdain being in this game. I think she kind of doesn't like being town as much as being mafia so she's been quite annoyed with how this game has gone, specifically with how her reads have progressed this game.

Is this a meta view that you’d say is based on numerous incidents or more of a general idea you have of anne as a player

I thought Alexa had stated roughly the opposite meta for anne

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks iaafr and LC I’ll ponder

[cassandra]

hey

i've been with family today but i told them that i'd be busy 7-8 so i could play this

how did an anne wagon happen? reading up now

[leetic]

Why can't people be hedgey? It's D1 and the wolves aren't obvious.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine Yeah that isn't happening.

All this "x could be scum, but could also be town" and "I don't want to vote for anyone, they're all so towny" doesn't help town at all and makes it easy for wolves to hide.

I have 1 post left, which I'll reserve in case of something that I or my partner really need to say. See you at EoD.

Can you pinpoint why hedging is mafia indicative or do you just not like it? You may view it as counterproductive and not efficient protown behavior but that doesn't make it not town behavior. I will die on the hill that hedging is more villagery than not on average

Hedging is scummy because scum are far more concerned about staying consistent. They don't want too much scum reads off the bat because they don't want to make too many enemies or be blamed when their vote goes wrong but don't want many townreads either because they might have to vote them out later. I can link you to times when I caught a wolf based on excessive hedginess or when I was hedgy as a wolf myself. Of course, it can also be indicative of inexperienced villagers, but I'd like to think that the player quality here is too good for that

see your first sentence sounds like a contradiction to me

but i don't have the energy to argue about this, we simply have completely opposite views

Why did you say that voting "sleep" is the best option?

Memes

It still falls into a pattern of general hedginess of your slot though. Can you list all the reads you currently feel confident in?

[nutella]

Is naa readable as "if he doesn't make me want to tear my hair out he's mafia" lol

[Lime Coke]

hey

i've been with family today but i told them that i'd be busy 7-8 so i could play this

how did an anne wagon happen? reading up now

MR voted her and people piled on.