The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:36 pm lost monkey still had a vigilante shot.

yeah lol, thought you could be scum, better to save it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:49 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:47 pm "This won't be the last you'll see of me." he stated.
It never is, is it Mac?
Thats probably the cleanest I've been beaten tbh. Maybe I'm washed.
nah you got townread really hard at the start, it was just messy for you mech wise.

remember when you said "I felt safe and then suddenly I am bottom POE"? that wasn't because you slipped or anything, the POE just shrank to the point it could no longer conceivably hold enough misexes for you to win.
Nutella dying over Made was also very painful. She was our most important role imo.

Either way nutella would not have crossed N1 mac, the only reason i kept seeing you as town was because of the buss.

Oh cool we won lol, now I feel sad to not use the nk I had.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:57 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:55 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.
and yet here I am with a power that isn't
Yeah no.
fun how you had nothing to say until someone started pushing on you and now suddenly I'm mafia.

I still don't think you are scum over Alison. Gnome I can't read so I don't mind a lynch there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:57 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.
Why would it have to be one shot? It’s not very strong.

It depends on the situation and how he uses it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:55 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.
and yet here I am with a power that isn't

Yeah no.

Pretty sure after Mac lynches me, the next target would be allcrab lol.

Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.

Lol Mac if you are scum, you shouldn't try this hard to get me lynched, it won't end well for you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:47 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:46 am lol the thread entered trippy state.
4am talk show with serial poisoner special guest

LOL

lol the thread entered trippy state.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:36 am Removing a killer from the game would drastically improve the town win chance, I think. Tony is outed and simply cannot win anymore. He has no incentive to do anything we ask.

I have been saying tangy is the possible poisoner after seeing bunny and long con get poisoned, even the gnome poison was good, it clears the POE. I dont mind the lynch but is it more important than locating scum?

If he really think gnome is scum, cant he just poison her to prove it?

Even though tsp is the poisoner, why we lynching him? Shouldn't finding scum be more important?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:42 pm @lost monkey why are you ignoring me?

I have been busy at work today, something big happened and I am mentally exhausted and emotionally drained. So I probably won't post till tomorrow evening if everything goes well otherwise it's gonna be the next game day.

The amount of wifom from mac and tsp is staggering.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:19 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:17 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:15 am The wolf appears to be shooting based on a random number generator and poisoner seems to have a similar bias so idk how well that will work out
no
Are you claiming that the wolf is in fact not shooting based on rng

kito and nanook, how can there kills be rng? Poisoner has been basically following jay's read somewhat except for the alison thing.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:15 am The wolf appears to be shooting based on a random number generator and poisoner seems to have a similar bias so idk how well that will work out

no

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:33 pm Perhaps the worst thing going for Allcrab is that his role is probably the most powerful remaining in the game, has been pseudo-public for over half of it, and he's still here.

Hard to trace that reasoning too far with so many other people that theoretically "should" be dead. At a certain point that becomes deliberate strategy I think, and it's one I have employed as mafia before -- harder for people to freak out that I am still alive when [insert perceived high clout player(s)] are also still alive. This post might be worthless. I am thinking aloud and want the thread alive.

Probably because he is in everyone's POE except mine.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:55 am I would only say Mac bussed nutella. No other mafia flip would qualify as bussing from Mac.

I am talking only about the nutella thing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:56 pm Allcrab and LoMo can confirm my role in coordination I think.

For instance. Allcrab targets whomever. Force me to target them to. LoMo also watches them. If I target them they together will get a full watch result. If I don't target the player or one of those two dies then I am outed.

I have no one shots remaining, i am just a VT now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:49 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:49 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:47 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:21 pm Leaning towards Alison being scum rather than Mac. I will vote Mac though if he doesn't claim.
Any reason in particular?
I don't think you would hardbus as scum.
Why wouldn't he? Would Alison?

Just played a game with him as scum, he had lot of chances to hardbus me but he didn't. Alison i have no idea.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:47 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:21 pm Leaning towards Alison being scum rather than Mac. I will vote Mac though if he doesn't claim.
Any reason in particular?

I don't think you would hardbus as scum.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:46 pm I don't know that I would prioritize either mafia or poisoner today. Getting rid of one or the other removes a kill from the game, and it's conceivable they can both kill each other. For that reason my initial voting interest lies with Mac -- he's a good candidate to be either one. I am going to let the day develop a bit before I start spamming out calls for a wagon though or even placing my own vote. Level heads prevail.

If poisoner can win with town, they should just claim.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:44 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:42 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:38 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:34 pm If Alison or Mac are scum, guillo should be given props for calling both out on d2 especially Alison.
Certainly. Both he and Gavial were treated like clowns in this game, and I hope it doesn't happen in the future -- especially if they turn out correct on key reads.
When was gavial treated like that? I thought the only thing we talked about is that we thought he might die together with you.
Early in the game when he was around he got his share of it. If town can finish this game with a win I am giving him a ton of the credit for any good things I was able to contribute to it. If he had just decided to be stubborn with me I'd have been dead a long time ago.

Lol if they would have put me with you, we both would have died lol. After everything that has happened, the d1 negative impression I got still doesn't let me give you a town read lol.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:38 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:34 pm If Alison or Mac are scum, guillo should be given props for calling both out on d2 especially Alison.
Certainly. Both he and Gavial were treated like clowns in this game, and I hope it doesn't happen in the future -- especially if they turn out correct on key reads.

When was gavial treated like that? I thought the only thing we talked about is that we thought he might die together with you.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:37 pm Do we know how many wolves we have left

One probably and one poisoner.

If Alison or Mac are scum, guillo should be given props for calling both out on d2 especially Alison.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:26 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:21 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:21 pm Leaning towards Alison being scum rather than Mac. I will vote Mac though if he doesn't claim.
Mac's lack of a claim has me leaning poisoner. Either way though I agree it's a problem.
If it's really Alison I would feel bad for the scum team.
Hellbussing has consequences.

Yeah but even then this level of Hellbussing I am seeing for the first time.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:21 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:21 pm Leaning towards Alison being scum rather than Mac. I will vote Mac though if he doesn't claim.
Mac's lack of a claim has me leaning poisoner. Either way though I agree it's a problem.
If it's really Alison I would feel bad for the scum team.

As scum I mean.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:21 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:21 pm Leaning towards Alison being scum rather than Mac. I will vote Mac though if he doesn't claim.
Mac's lack of a claim has me leaning poisoner. Either way though I agree it's a problem.

If it's really Alison I would feel bad for the scum team.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:20 pm I shouldn't discount TangyStarkPrime as a poisoner prospect. On the poisoner side they can take Allcrab's spot as a wild card.

Definitely syndicate, most probably tsp.

Leaning towards Alison being scum rather than Mac. I will vote Mac though if he doesn't claim.

Who saved gnome?

D1 would have probably scared the shit out of the mafia team lol.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:34 pm Mac said he hasn’t claimed because his role looks bad.

He should just claim.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:26 pm Someone tell me what the test you're talking about is so I can tell you its a bad idea
Alison says she gave jay a double vote. It can be tested by making jay’s vote the tiebreaker.

It is not happening. I floated as a “hey this option exists if we want to do it” play, and no one seems to want to do it, so that’s that.

If the vote is plus 1, wont it be shown at the end of the day when the vote is counted?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:32 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:31 pm Has Alison and Mac claimed?
Alison claimed she can distribute +1 votes. She gave me one today.

Mac didn't claim.

Will we know it at the end of the day when the total vote is counted?

Mac not claiming looks bad.

Has Alison and Mac claimed?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:22 am I actually forgot LoMo was playing.

[VOTE: made] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:53 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:49 am Why the poisoner is from synd.
Are you suggesting it's TangyStarkPrime then? The way you worded that post has me thoroughly confused by your meaning, which is likely more my fault than yours. I see that "most PerC people thought bunny was town", and sure that would seem to be true -- why does that preclude them from poisoning bunny? What about the targets being in my POE is indicative of the Syndicate players in general?

The only two people who could be poisoner is right now me and allcrab and it would be better to have bunny alive than dead for us. Unless you are considering guillo as poisoner?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:40 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:33 pm Heads up btw since i have used all the one shots i have had, me and allcrab do not have the same roles. I am the JOAT. So yeah there could be a possibility that martin may be scum.
Could you, like, elaborate on the "possibility"?

Play wise i have you as possible town lean but i don't see how town has the same two role, having the same ability in the same faction.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:26 am @lost monkey how do you feel overall about the role you played in the eliminations of nutella, Owner, and Sonnycrush? I ask for a reason, so please take no undue aggression from it.

I was the first one to call out nutella about being fake in the thread, sheeping your reads. Mac and nanook pushed after that and then alison went full on nutella is scum. I thought sonny was town till orange started posting. Didn't mind him getting shot but i didn't push too hard since everyone was already talking about it. By the end of D1, with the nutella save, i already figured out owner was scum, plus when i came into the thread it was already mid D2 and i didn't need to do anything since the lynch was going how i wanted it to be.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:47 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:44 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:17 am As I consider the poison targets, I find myself wondering something:

Some PerC folks have said they think it's definitely a Syndicate player. I don't really understand why that is the case. Expansion would be neat. I bring this up because the most obvious trend I note in the targets (Alison, Long Con, bad bunny, and Garden Gnome) is that they're players who have given the fewest overall reads outside Alison. The other three can be targeted without singularly implicating anyone, because those players didn't put enough reads into the game to make that possible. The Alison target alone would have to illuminate if any of them can.
I think the poisoner can either win with town or scum from the looks of the poison. Except for the D1 poison, it may be that person was undecided or that person thought alison was scum. If the person thought alison was scum, that would mean bunny and guillo, one is town prosec and other is town mason. Long, bunny were people who thought you could be scum and gnome was just there. All of them were in your poe and the only person who blindly trusted you was tangy. Most of the perc people didnt agree with your read on bunny and probably would not have allowed the lynch to happen.
Is this an argument for why the poisoner is from The Syndicate or for why the poisoner is JaggedJimmyJay? Or something else? I'm struggling to follow.

Why the poisoner is from synd.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:41 am I didn't try to save nutella. I did vote for Made, and I will tend to absorb most of the tried to save nutella presumption from that wagon because I am the loudest player on it, but I made just about zero effort to keep nutella alive. I was fine with her being eliminated, and I think that's visible in my posts if one just takes a look. Indeed when I actively promoted a non-nutella wagon around EOD it was for Owner.

You would have probably lynched me if given the chance on D1. You tried telling nutella was town thing but too many people didnt agree with you and then you changed to a i dont care with nutella getting lynched thing. I dont wanna wifom over you but ill wait for the made lynch to happen before i talk more. If she is actually scum then its fine if not you will be my scum read.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:17 am As I consider the poison targets, I find myself wondering something:

Some PerC folks have said they think it's definitely a Syndicate player. I don't really understand why that is the case. Expansion would be neat. I bring this up because the most obvious trend I note in the targets (Alison, Long Con, bad bunny, and Garden Gnome) is that they're players who have given the fewest overall reads outside Alison. The other three can be targeted without singularly implicating anyone, because those players didn't put enough reads into the game to make that possible. The Alison target alone would have to illuminate if any of them can.

I think the poisoner can either win with town or scum from the looks of the poison. Except for the D1 poison, it may be that person was undecided or that person thought alison was scum. If the person thought alison was scum, that would mean bunny and guillo, one is town prosec and other is town mason. Long, bunny were people who thought you could be scum and gnome was just there. All of them were in your poe and the only person who blindly trusted you was tangy. Most of the perc people didnt agree with your read on bunny and probably would not have allowed the lynch to happen.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:11 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:04 am Might remember some stuff wrongly but didnt you vote nutella and then change to made after her claim? and also didnt you say that owner might be town on D2. Allcrab was a better choice for me than you or tangy/tsp is because he can still use his power and which i consider to be a better thing and then tangy/tsp is someone who i have considered as possible poisoner candidate seeing longcon and bunny being poisoned.
What about protecting jay or seanzie?

Also (this stuff doesn't matter, but): you're remembering the nutella stuff wrong. I was never really involved in the push against her at all until the very end, and at that point she was pushing harder against me than I was against her. I voted for Made, but I don't believe that I was ever voting for nutella at any point, and I don't remember her claiming anything at any point.
RE: Owner, I did say "Owner is town" but that was just so I could get people to argue the point. Day 2 was stagnant. I was trying to get people to talk. I never actually thought that Owner was town.

Nah i remember you voting nutella mid D1 and i saw you taking the vote off nutella and shifting to made after she claimed. You may not remember that but i do because i was lurking at that time. I didnt read much of D2 but i saw that so i assumed you tried convincing owner as town.

Did sean claim tracker? I had him as town but I preferred to save because i believed his claim. I still dont trust jay lol, after the whole trying to save nutella and trying to off made made be wary of him. If made is scum then i might believe he could be town otherwise still don't trust him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:59 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:54 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:44 am Waiting with great anticipation for lost monkey's response to Sloonei regarding actions.
If its regarding sloonei, I haven't seen sloonei do anything by the end of N2. Switched vote to nutella after her claim seeing her act scummy the entire day was not good and also i seem to remember he was trying to say in the thread that owner was town. His reads were also not good. So why not? The only reason i have him as town was because of his desperado shot. Didn't yourself tell us on D4 that i need to take a better look at sloonei lol. All crab had far better reads and very much similar to mine, he tried saving bunny, tried lynching act, tried lynching orange and plus i believed his claim. SInce all the powers i had figured town must have them in the game seeing gavial claim.
Not that it matters now, but I think you attributed a lot of things to me that I never did.

I am more concerned with what you protected allcrab last night. We have two confirmed players and several people who are much more clear/at risk of a night kill than he is.

Might remember some stuff wrongly but didnt you vote nutella and then change to made after her claim? and also didnt you say that owner might be town on D2. Allcrab was a better choice for me than you or tangy/tsp is because he can still use his power and which i consider to be a better thing and then tangy/tsp is someone who i have considered as possible poisoner candidate seeing longcon and bunny being poisoned.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:44 am Waiting with great anticipation for lost monkey's response to Sloonei regarding actions.

If its regarding sloonei, I haven't seen sloonei do anything by the end of N2. Switched vote to nutella after her claim seeing her act scummy the entire day was not good and also i seem to remember he was trying to say in the thread that owner was town. His reads were also not good. So why not? The only reason i have him as town was because of his desperado shot. Didn't yourself tell us on D4 that i need to take a better look at sloonei lol. All crab had far better reads and very much similar to mine, he tried saving bunny, tried lynching act, tried lynching orange and plus i believed his claim. SInce all the powers i had figured town must have them in the game seeing gavial claim.

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