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[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think it Gnome anyway. If that doesn’t end the game there will be plenty to discuss. At the moment I feel pretty secure calling Allcrab town. I think there’s some room to doubt lost monkey, but it’s also not compelling.

[MartinGG99]

All y'all: who would you include in your POE pool of exactly three mafia suspects?

Mac -> Gnome -> LoMo

I haven't really checked on LoMo recently nor compared him to Allcrab yet.

Mac & Gnome could be switched if I'm convinced it's possible and not implausible that there's two town in Mac/Alison. I just feel a bit surprised that both of them are alive up to this point along with JJJ and Sloonei.

its weird that gnome isn't outed from your perspective

It would be more suspicious if there hadn't been a duplicate & in-most-cases redundant same-alignment healer

after that I've basically made fewer mechanical assumptions or certainties

there's also other lesser reasons such as the fact that poisoner is 3P and could have some sort of limit (such as flavor) in exchange for some other benefits; I have 0 prior experience with 3P poisoners

You have to look at it as her being healed by the mafia from your perspective.

Considering I haven't I would guess that I really don't have to.

[MacDougall]

I've been straight up obvious town all game. I'm just in the POE because I didn't get in on your claim party quick enough. If I did I'd be cleared by now.

[MartinGG99]

That's like saying "Oh, you're a doctor. You previously protected Y. Clearly since X survived they must've been protected by a mafia doctor instead of some role-block on the attacker"

[MacDougall]

All y'all: who would you include in your POE pool of exactly three mafia suspects?

Mac -> Gnome -> LoMo

I haven't really checked on LoMo recently nor compared him to Allcrab yet.

Mac & Gnome could be switched if I'm convinced it's possible and not implausible that there's two town in Mac/Alison. I just feel a bit surprised that both of them are alive up to this point along with JJJ and Sloonei.

its weird that gnome isn't outed from your perspective

It would be more suspicious if there hadn't been a duplicate & in-most-cases redundant same-alignment healer

after that I've basically made fewer mechanical assumptions or certainties

there's also other lesser reasons such as the fact that poisoner is 3P and could have some sort of limit (such as flavor) in exchange for some other benefits; I have 0 prior experience with 3P poisoners

You have to look at it as her being healed by the mafia from your perspective.

Considering I haven't I would guess that I really don't have to.

Wack

[MartinGG99]

That's like saying "Oh, you're a doctor. You previously protected Y. Clearly since X survived they must've been protected by a mafia doctor instead of some role-block on the attacker"

There's more than one way to save people.

And considering there was a role-duplicate of me, of which I decried and pushed Hawk for, there is 0 reason to believe that I should know any godamm thing about what happened in order to save Gnome from the posion.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've been straight up obvious town all game. I'm just in the POE because I didn't get in on your claim party quick enough. If I did I'd be cleared by now.

I can’t think of a strong reason to call you town that doesn’t involve nutella.

[MacDougall]

That's like saying "Oh, you're a doctor. You previously protected Y. Clearly since X survived they must've been protected by a mafia doctor instead of some role-block on the attacker"

You're evidently a townie with an identical role to a dead townie. We have seen literally zero other people with the same thing that weren't masons. If you believe there to be two town healers you should be assuming Gnome was healed by mafia ergo is mafia. But instead youre just subsisting off the moisture of the Jay tree and have me as numma 1 POE for whatever reasons.

[MacDougall]

I've been straight up obvious town all game. I'm just in the POE because I didn't get in on your claim party quick enough. If I did I'd be cleared by now.

I can’t think of a strong reason to call you town that doesn’t involve nutella.

How about "has done nothing to progress the mafia wincon".

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've been straight up obvious town all game. I'm just in the POE because I didn't get in on your claim party quick enough. If I did I'd be cleared by now.

I can’t think of a strong reason to call you town that doesn’t involve nutella.

How about "has done nothing to progress the mafia wincon".

succesfully

[MacDougall]

I've been straight up obvious town all game. I'm just in the POE because I didn't get in on your claim party quick enough. If I did I'd be cleared by now.

I can’t think of a strong reason to call you town that doesn’t involve nutella.

How about "has done nothing to progress the mafia wincon".

succesfully

I am a winner.

[MacDougall]

Starting from the top.

I would not have bussed nutella.
I would have landed a kill n1.
I would have been near first to claim with a real good fake claim.

etc. etc.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Martin can be my third POE name purely for the claim.

[TonyStarkPrime]

flashback to when Alison said her Poe was just Mac and TSP and I was so annoyed that I got Mac out of it

[MartinGG99]

If you believe there to be two town healers you should be assuming Gnome was healed by mafia ergo is mafia.

There is 0 mechanical basis, incentive, or reason for me to perceive that from my position given what has happened with the game and the notable oddities it has had.

If I were suspecting Gnome, then sure. I could suspect that maybe they were healed by themselves or something. But I don't need to be a town 1-shot healer in order to suspect Gnome. And there is no "should".

[TonyStarkPrime]

if you chop me today you are missing out on the meme of a lifetime

[TonyStarkPrime]

If you believe there to be two town healers you should be assuming Gnome was healed by mafia ergo is mafia.

There is 0 mechanical basis, incentive, or reason for me to perceive that from my position given what has happened with the game and the notable oddities it has had.

If I were suspecting Gnome, then sure. I could suspect that maybe they were healed by themselves or something. But I don't need to be a town 1-shot healer in order to suspect Gnome. And there is no "should".

You could also presume that there exists a mafia healer. Do you think Mac is that mafia healer?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I could be sold on lost monkey. He has some bad posts.

[MacDougall]

flashback to when Alison said her Poe was just Mac and TSP and I was so annoyed that I got Mac out of it

town mvp

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Owner is town here for me. Scum owner wouldn't play in a way its get her lynched this easily. She is being too blunt and too shady to be scum here.

[MacDougall]

actv is just town tho, nut was genuinely trying to chop the perceived lhf lol nutella spew is real

all of nutella's act suspicion was very early on when no one was actually at risk of being chopped.

it doesn't matter nutella is transparent when she is trying to chop someone earnestly, it's the same with lost monkey

Is she incapable of distancing?
What about her Owner read?

Come on Sloonei.

Is she incapable of distancing?
What about her Owner read?

She is capable of distancing. She is also incapable of hiding when she is baring fangs trying to kill LHF. There are stark differences in her treatment of actv and lost monkey vs. owner, not just including her own posts but also the thread sentiment and context.

in which i cleared myself as owners partner

[MacDougall]

Act maybe
Gnome maybe
Made maybe
OC maybe
Allcrab maybe
Martin ... no?
Lost Monkey no
Bad Bunny ... I kinda think we need to sheep Allcrab?

in which i am obvious town for this readslist

[JaggedJimmyJay]

On the other hand, nutella basically cased lost monkey on Day 1. She didn’t take that step with anyone else she beefed with.

[MacDougall]

jjj or sloonei, one of them is scum but which one?

why not both?

Its possible but I don't think so.

So you don’t believe Sloonei’s claim? Can you explain why? The way I’ve thought about it: if he is scum making this claim, what purpose does it serve? We seem to believe there can be multiple roles this game so it wouldn’t really hard anyone enough to cc. If he has a kill, why not just use it secretly?

sloonei has claimed? I haven't caught up, just saw the kills and came to that conclusion.

1 shot uni back up. Has the desperado shot. Wants input on who to shoot.

Should use it on act or nanook probably.

fun lomo post

[MacDougall]

On the other hand, nutella basically cased lost monkey on Day 1. She didn’t take that step with anyone else she beefed with.

would that not be the point?

[MartinGG99]

If you believe there to be two town healers you should be assuming Gnome was healed by mafia ergo is mafia.

There is 0 mechanical basis, incentive, or reason for me to perceive that from my position given what has happened with the game and the notable oddities it has had.

If I were suspecting Gnome, then sure. I could suspect that maybe they were healed by themselves or something. But I don't need to be a town 1-shot healer in order to suspect Gnome. And there is no "should".

You could also presume that there exists a mafia healer. Do you think Mac is that mafia healer?

I don't think there's a mafia healer, and I don't think there's more than one mafia.

I can't self-target to heal, and so Gnome can't be a mafia-healer.

As far as Gnome surviving I don't know anything. There's a potential explanation of some sort of poisoner limitation, or a different explanation where Gnome's role protected her (possibly due to being mafia). Either of which I don't have any more reason to believe than the other right now. The poisoner is 3P and could lie about things for all I know, and my suspicion of Gnome isn't notably greater than my suspicion of Mac.

[MacDougall]

Nanook?

yeah, why not?

why?

Somewhat had a town lean on him D1, but right now i got nothing.

Is that sufficient for Sloonei to shoot at him? I think Nook is town.

clearing people is still clearing.

Sloonei would die.

lomo fun happy hour redux

[lost monkey]

Lol Mac if you are scum, you shouldn't try this hard to get me lynched, it won't end well for you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

On the other hand, nutella basically cased lost monkey on Day 1. She didn’t take that step with anyone else she beefed with.

would that not be the point?

I’m not interested in what could be true in some hypothetical. I’m interested in what IS true. If nutella wanted to chop lost monkey they’re probably not teammates. One just has to wonder how far nutella would have taken it. I suspect she’d have taken it far since her case followed a case on lost monkey that I had made myself. She was allowing me to serve as the driving catalyst of her mischop and nudging it forward herself.

[lost monkey]

Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.

[MacDougall]

Lol Mac if you are scum, you shouldn't try this hard to get me lynched, it won't end well for you.

im scared daddy hold me

[MacDougall]

Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.

and yet here I am with a power that isn't

[MacDougall]

On the other hand, nutella basically cased lost monkey on Day 1. She didn’t take that step with anyone else she beefed with.

would that not be the point?

I’m not interested in what could be true in some hypothetical. I’m interested in what IS true. If nutella wanted to chop lost monkey they’re probably not teammates. One just has to wonder how far nutella would have taken it. I suspect she’d have taken it far since her case followed a case on lost monkey that I had made myself. She was allowing me to serve as the driving catalyst of her mischop and nudging it forward herself.

maaaybe

[lost monkey]

Pretty sure after Mac lynches me, the next target would be allcrab lol.

[lost monkey]

Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.

and yet here I am with a power that isn't

Yeah no.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.

Why would it have to be one shot? It’s not very strong.

[MacDougall]

Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.

and yet here I am with a power that isn't

Yeah no.

fun how you had nothing to say until someone started pushing on you and now suddenly I'm mafia.

[MacDougall]

Pretty sure after Mac lynches me, the next target would be allcrab lol.

I am not going to get you chopped lomo you can stop melting like a snowman.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Pretty sure lost monkey is town.

It’s Gnome. I can feel the universe settling into order.

[lost monkey]

Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.

Why would it have to be one shot? It’s not very strong.

It depends on the situation and how he uses it.

[Alison]

I will do zero solving until I see tony and gnome flip

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.

Why would it have to be one shot? It’s not very strong.

It depends on the situation and how he uses it.

That’s why it’s not very strong.

A one-shot of that seems kinda poop

[lost monkey]

Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.

and yet here I am with a power that isn't

Yeah no.

fun how you had nothing to say until someone started pushing on you and now suddenly I'm mafia.

I still don't think you are scum over Alison. Gnome I can't read so I don't mind a lynch there.

[MacDougall]

Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.

and yet here I am with a power that isn't

Yeah no.

fun how you had nothing to say until someone started pushing on you and now suddenly I'm mafia.

I still don't think you are scum over Alison. Gnome I can't read so I don't mind a lynch there.

that doesn't super line up with what you just said but ok whatever

[Alison]

The only way gnome can be town is if tony lied. But why would he lie? Out of spite at the town to force them to... misexe a single townie who was in the POE anyway?

Occam's Razor: he is telling the truth, we have the game mech locked and squabbling over how townie LoMo's posts are is silly.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

One can never be too prepared for the unexpected.

I think the game is over though.

[Alison]

One can never be too prepared for the unexpected.

I think the game is over though.

I think the game is 95-99% likely to be mech locked in tsp + gnome. If there's two mafia and gnome doesn't end it then martin is outed as the mafia poison healer who saved gnome so it's still mech locked.

Any scenario where the game is not mech locked would require me to see the flips to understand what the fuck happened so I can solve based on that.

Therefore until I see their flips I am pointlessly spinning my wheels.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[Alison]

if you want my personal input I'll say that lomo clearing mac for hellbussing because it's out of his range, but he doesn't know my range so he can't be sure on me, is goofy and uninformed enough to be town. I'll also say that I don't see mafia watcher lomo just randomly claiming his role like that d2.

LoMo's posts have been generally uninspiring but they aren't actively scummy. Made also acted like he was just going through the motions and giving up implying that his partner is POE (most likely poisoned, even), and not a deepwolf, which LoMo would probably qualify as.

So that is the level 1 reason to townread LoMo. Not interested in digging deeper than this until I see compelling evidence why I should consider him (ie. why TSP + gnome isn't just the solve).

[MartinGG99]

Quick question:

I really doubt there's two mafia. But let's say Gnome is what she claims to be but has the name Mafia attached to it.

How do you figure it has a mention or capacity of poison immunity in its description/role?