The Syndicate

eh I'll

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

adding a second vote does nothing bad if he's town right?

we've got 48 hours lol

we could do it by tier instead tbh?

like have 4 tiers of 3-4 people each

Should I vote Falcon or Nanook?

I think Nanooks vote was really sus and they haven't been here since SoD2 I think but heavy could be on Sabie and Nanook is currently voting Sabie

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:25 pm yeah 2 hours remain.
Honestly. Yeah I'm debating on to vote Gav or Falcon.
I think one is a Sniper, but not sure which.

if they make a sus shot they get outted in massclaim assuming we trust TSP tbh?

also I think that when/if we're in mass claim stage we need to decide an order to mass claim in first tbh

oh wait do we have 2 more hours?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:19 pm It should be obvious if he is fake claiming or not based on the number of kills tonight.
If NAA doesn't die and there are only 2-3 kills we know 2-1 Snipers/Spies didn't kill.
TSP is already claiming Sniper who can't shoot since they aimed at Sabie.
And with Guillio claiming Spy attacking NAA we should expect 3 kills.
If there is only 2 deaths and neither is NAA its probably just because Medic healed NAA for some reason.

pretty ure guillo being voted rn makes his shot blocked

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:09 pm Hopefully Mafia Sniper is just Sabie though.

mafia doesn't neccessarily have a sniper

yo

NAA is on Guillo with exactly 1 vote after Guillo did a certain thing

tbh I think that's greedy town lmao, and I'd discourage him from being on Guillo at Eod

[VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:12 pm So I read a little bit and see Sabie is red checked which should clear me tbh cuz I wanted to kill her ass and do nothing else before the red check was a thing.

Aaaaanyway TSP, NAA and Nanook can just get it.

I also want Gavial, Guillo and Martin to die.
Thoughts on Dolby's move to Sean?

I mean

If I was w that'd mean that mafia consciously choose to wagon Seanzie over Gav like an hour before and would make probably Gav and me likely partners since Gav had more votes than Seanzie

Also would likely mean that one of Naa/nanook/TSP is the last w

so

yeah

This wagon had to have had town votes in the cfd to make it go over tbh, which they couldn't have know that town votes would come then

nanook can die tomorrow tbh

tbh just from how things have gone down I'm assuming that sabie has to be yeeted

I would've rather followed the plan and had Sabie vig shot

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:59 am I, too, have been fooled a few times by mafia jack. I feel like I can never read him. I'm not sure I've ever seen mafia falcon or just don't remember so not sure if there is a difference, but I didn't see anything outright scummy with him so far. Gavial I think is also a bit harder to read. I saw that people kind of jumped on voting him pretty quick into the day.

I think I'd rule of 3 all these nulls

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:09 pm Trying to sort out the LP Guillo argument. I think meta reads can be open to interpretation like two people can see someone's play in different ways. So I feel like falcon seemed like his usual town self to me far but I don't know him as well as others might. My wilgy meta is telling me his random mumble posting is towny.

Don't think that the wilgy comment tells us anything but I feel like LP and Guillo being mentioned and not being solved makes them both townier. Falcon idk

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:24 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 2:15 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:55 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:12 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:09 pm Trying to sort out the LP Guillo argument. I think meta reads can be open to interpretation like two people can see someone's play in different ways. So I feel like falcon seemed like his usual town self to me far but I don't know him as well as others might. My wilgy meta is telling me his random mumble posting is towny.
Tell me your thoughts on that since ngl I started skimming that and then brain dumped it.

I agree with wilgy meta, I do expect him to start like doing something, but not this early and he's mislynched almost as much as me so we gotta have that day 1 protection going on.
I also had a hard time processing all of it. I think it comes down to differing opinions on meta reads and like if someone's meta read is off does that make them scummy. I don't think it does if it's early on in the game when there isn't much other info to go off of.

Yeah that always sucks when that happens but I think that's gotten better for him. If given a chance to live longer wilgy becomes more active. I guess I do the same thing.
There isn't much info to go off?

Have you read the thread?
I have read the thread thank you for asking. When I say not as much info I mean like day 1 we don't have flips or actions or anything to look at yet so the focus tends to be more on meta and tone. I was trying to figure out the point of your disagreement with LP. Do you scum read both LP and falcon?

Guillo is probs not a wolf here and it's for the post that Sabie quoted, not anyting Sabie did that spews him. Also I think that question at teh end makes both of them more likely town

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:43 am Is tsp making up random false meta on me to prove the point from an earlier discussion about faking meta reads?

I think accusing your partner of making false meta on you, assuming that you aren't being hellbussed to die and konw it, is not a pathway that Sabie would choose to go down. TSP more town

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:11 pm Hmm I guess Marmot's disinterest is odd and could be mafia? If he were then he hasn't provided much interaction with anyone so he wouldn't be worried about giving away teammates if he gets voted off. I can never get a good read on Jack. If Jack is mafia he's better to get out earlier rather than later. Does gavial have a different playstyle when town or mafia? He always seems kinda all over the place.
Throwing a vote on marmot for now. Hoping to be able to come back later before EOD.
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I should look into the vote count here tbh

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:04 pm Okay so I guess voting marmot when others also voted marmot makes me scum. I'm trying to figure things out as best I can. I thought his post was sketchy and could be from a disinterested mafia and EOD still was a bit away when I put my vote there. I take awhile to process things sometimes so my responses and analysis isn't as quick as others. I guess I'm just a bit out of practice.
I'm in agreement that a gavial flip gives us more info than a marmot one and his deflections and weird theories make sense as mafia so moving my vote there.

[VOTE: gavial] aubergine

same, but I think it is worth noting that I feel Sabie had been preempting this vote switch in their previous 3 posts (not quoted)

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:12 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:09 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:06 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:02 am “ Flamethrower: Once per night, the Pyro can burn a player. Being on fire will make it hard for that player to aim, so whatever actions they use will be misdirected to a random target (but not self-target).”
We are positive no one used this on Marmot?
It is never a good idea to assume red checks are falsified.
It is always better to just lynch the red check.
If Sabie does come out with a claim and who they targeted that also would probably clear this possibility if someone else visited them.
Not to mention no one has said they visited Dizzy. So we don’t really have a reason to believe it to be wrong.
also Sabie just hasn't spoken in over 12 hours
Honestly not a reason to suspect Sabie.
If someone can’t get on because of something IRL, it’s not really bad.
Someone getting on and coasting without doing something is where I’d draw lines. Kind of why I was on Mac a bit since he’s not typically the coasting type from my experience.

tl;dr

I think that Sabie is not posting because they know they're outted

coasting isn't a reason to sus someone

strategic slanking is

also allowing the perception that she isn't outted to persist is harmful to town dialogue

if she claims something that's verifiable, yeah we get off of her

are polls ordered by vote order?

I'm legit considering if Mac was frantically changing his vote at 4 am to save a teammate lol

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:57 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:20 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:17 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:16 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:13 pm I'm honestly still partial to just taking the guaranteed Mafia lynch though.
Especially with the odds of there being 3 kills tonight. Majority could very easily slip.
it's 12v4 rn

I think worst case scenario with spies both being mafia and snipers and both snipers being mafia (TSP lying) we drop to 7v4?

then we yeet tsp and sabie and carry out our day and go to like 5v2
I don't get it, why wouldn't we just kill Sabie today? Also, I think TSP is full of shit.
1. I'd rather have actual wagons today
2. If TSP is full of shit he gets outted or forced into a claim battle with someone else (marmot) who is townier than him

so we either get a yeet that means something or two mafia for the price of one, to be collected at a later date (D3)
Dude! A wolf kill is better than wagons.

yeah but we can get both

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:48 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:10 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:06 pm Aside from role mechanics, what do you think about the game?
fuck if I know lol

at least one CFDer is a wolf

I like LP

I like Guillo

Marmot is town and Sabie's a wolf

someone else had 3 votes yesterday and the fact that Seanzie went over is whack

I'm going with TSP town for the moment
Gullio why?
Explain.

I think he's just town rn in his stuff and that's it

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:06 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:02 am “ Flamethrower: Once per night, the Pyro can burn a player. Being on fire will make it hard for that player to aim, so whatever actions they use will be misdirected to a random target (but not self-target).”
We are positive no one used this on Marmot?
It is never a good idea to assume red checks are falsified.
It is always better to just lynch the red check.
If Sabie does come out with a claim and who they targeted that also would probably clear this possibility if someone else visited them.
Not to mention no one has said they visited Dizzy. So we don’t really have a reason to believe it to be wrong.

also Sabie just hasn't spoken in over 12 hours

I was legit thinking order wasn't preserved bc of what he said and thinking that he voted Seanzie early in day

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:34 pm

if mac really woke up at 4 am his time to do voting shenanigans that's super lol

cause he voted after NAA apparently

yeah i just did to myself

lol im dumb

time to read the mac iso

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:05 am @Dolby @TonyStarkPrime

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:49 pm Interestingly enough, NAA went from Dyslexicon -> Marmot -> Sabie

If I remember correctly. They aren't posting their votes but I think they've jumped twice now.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:05 pm Gavial
3 Voters: Marmot, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Sabie12
Guillotine
1 Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005
3 Voters: Gavial, Dyslexicon, Lime Coke
MacDougall
1 Voters: DrWilgy
Marmot
1 Voters: falcon45casabie12
Sabie12
6 Voters: Seanzie, NotAnAxehole, TonyStarkPrime, LinearPoint, Guillotine, MartinGG99
Seanzie
1 Voters: MacDougall

I'm reasonably sure that vote order in polls here aren't dependent on voting order but I should probably check or be informed by someone who actually knows

Mac claimed to have been first voter on seanzie and not moved iirc so there's that

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:05 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:00 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:57 am I’d also say no more than one of Nanook/NAA but also probably at least one(?) like that’s a weird dynamic

I believe that I voted Sabie first of the three but NAA might have been hammering away on vote Sabie in thread already, I wasn’t really paying attention
I think there being more than one there would be weird because that'd mean 3 mafia switched to Seanzie last minute, with you switching from Sabie like one minute before eod
I think this doesn’t flow and think there might be a typo(?)

basically

whole bunch of mafia switching to Seanzie requires a town stooge as well just given the vote difference

it probably required 2 town in that

I do still think he's likely town

tbh I don't want to accept TSP as clear because saying "oh I was targetted on Sabie" is a real easy way to get towncred imo

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:57 am I’d also say no more than one of Nanook/NAA but also probably at least one(?) like that’s a weird dynamic

I believe that I voted Sabie first of the three but NAA might have been hammering away on vote Sabie in thread already, I wasn’t really paying attention

I think there being more than one there would be weird because that'd mean 3 mafia switched to Seanzie last minute, with you switching from Sabie like one minute before eod

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:56 am Wagon dissolving on Gav mostly is probably Gav dynamics, would say that Nanook being a wolf would make Gav wolf more likely on wagonomics

why?

That'd mean maf encouraged w/w wagons to form if I'm understanding how day went correctly

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:50 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:46 am NAA, out of the people who got onto the Seanzie wagon in the last 30 minutes (I think this is NAA, TSP, Nanook if we don't count Sabie), whom do you think looks worst?

What did you think about the wagon compositions of Seanzie and Sabie? How much did Mac's presence on Seanzie influence your decision to be on there

I wouldn't characterize Sabie's wagon as rapid growth personally. Stale wagon, up until the CFD started yes, but not that.

Why didn't you talk about the Seanzie/Mac dynamic yesterday?
Nanook if I had to pick, but I don't think either look especially bad for it.

I don't think much of the wagon composition, I think Mafia were resigned to Sabie dying and already had their votes planted, likely 1 on 3 off of Sabie

I wouldn't really characterize what happened yesterday as a CFD given that I'm the only person who moved from Sabie to Seanzie, no other major wagons changed... Or existed for that matter.

I didn't talk yesterday.

Gav wagon actually completely dissolved, it had all blue names on it (Nanook and Sabie, who switched to Seanzie, and Marmot, who stayed). About an hour before EoD it was ahead Seanzie wagon.

I personally think that there's one mafia in addition to Sabie on Seanzie and it's you or Nanook most likely

if it's Nanook than Gav is probs town but I'm not familiar enough with mid day wagon dynamics tbh

falcon I don't really have thoughts on

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:46 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:39 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:35 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:34 am NAA can I get your takes distinct from the situation surrounding Sabie's D1 wagon?
I thought Sabie was mafia, I voted Sabie, and the vote count/voters creeped me out. I also figured there was a very good chance one of Seanzie // Mac was mafia based on their interactions.
ok cool

Can I get reads on people who are not Sabie, Guillo, and Mac
I don't like LinearPoint or Falcon, I would kill either in a heartbeat.

why LinearPoint

she talks about mech to much maybe, but so do I

NAA, out of the people who got onto the Seanzie wagon in the last 30 minutes (I think this is NAA, TSP, Nanook if we don't count Sabie), whom do you think looks worst?

What did you think about the wagon compositions of Seanzie and Sabie? How much did Mac's presence on Seanzie influence your decision to be on there

I wouldn't characterize Sabie's wagon as rapid growth personally. Stale wagon, up until the CFD started yes, but not that.

Why didn't you talk about the Seanzie/Mac dynamic yesterday?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:35 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:34 am NAA can I get your takes distinct from the situation surrounding Sabie's D1 wagon?
I thought Sabie was mafia, I voted Sabie, and the vote count/voters creeped me out. I also figured there was a very good chance one of Seanzie // Mac was mafia based on their interactions.

ok cool

Can I get reads on people who are not Sabie, Guillo, and Mac

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:05 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:04 pm Got a flat tire unable to be here sorry guys
vot Seanzie

this kinda seems like a non-w/w interaction but just the random "vote seanzie" going is so weird

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:34 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:29 am I think I'm coming getting to NAA maf but I'm not understanding the Mac simping tbh
If I'm mafia, I don't start the wagon on my mafia partner Sabie, there's no reason to. If you want to argue that I didn't, you can go back and see people saying that I was voting to "scare people off of the wagon"... Which clearly indicates that I started it.

From what I saw you were the 6th vote on Sabie when the next closest wagon had 3 votes and jumped as soon as Seanzie became viable

that is...

not a good look

and does not constitute you starting a wagon

NAA can I get your takes distinct from the situation surrounding Sabie's D1 wagon?

I'm gonna call LC town at least provisionally

I think I'm coming getting to NAA maf but I'm not understanding the Mac simping tbh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:42 pm @sabie12 December 28th at 6pm we're playing video mafia, you should come if you can, maybe you'll actually survive a game day lol

this is an incredibly bad read but I feel that Nanook showed that he was leaning towards a CFD away from Sabie to mafia here in a way that makes me feel like he's slightly villa. Like they pieced together that a Sabie cfd would be more successful than somebody ele (iirc they were tied at 3 vote with someone else pre cfd) and that could have influenced the direction the wagon took

the rest of his iso is just empty

also it wouldn't be 7 suspects, it would be 1-3 depending on who did the saving or roleblocking

assuming that heavy is tracked and there isn't a unfortunate heavy/scout w/w combo

or that soldier #2 isn't a w

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:37 pm And really all of this is to confirm just TSP which I don't think is really a worthy tradeoff.

eh, it's not to confirm TSP ime

for me it's to get actual wagons today rather than sleepwalk to a Sabie yeet

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:22 pm I mean regardless if Sabie ever lives to D3 they die.
The Soldier watching Marmot is fine. It means we can't confirm both Demo roleblocked Sabie, but I think that's the only issue with it.

THere's also the fact we just don't know what Sabie is. Sabie can be anything.

I think we have a problem in the following worlds:

1. Sabie is Soldier #2
2. Sabie is Engy #2

honestly that's it

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:17 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:16 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:13 pm I'm honestly still partial to just taking the guaranteed Mafia lynch though.
Especially with the odds of there being 3 kills tonight. Majority could very easily slip.
it's 12v4 rn

I think worst case scenario with spies both being mafia and snipers and both snipers being mafia (TSP lying) we drop to 7v4?

then we yeet tsp and sabie and carry out our day and go to like 5v2
I don't get it, why wouldn't we just kill Sabie today? Also, I think TSP is full of shit.

1. I'd rather have actual wagons today
2. If TSP is full of shit he gets outted or forced into a claim battle with someone else (marmot) who is townier than him

so we either get a yeet that means something or two mafia for the price of one, to be collected at a later date (D3)

LP how do you feel about Soldier #2 being on Marmot instead of Sabie?

I still dont see anything besides pyros air blast that would lead to Sabie not not dying in a way that would force another mafia into a claim battle

also if pyro's airblast changes TSP's claim target we should just yeet Sabie

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:13 pm I'm honestly still partial to just taking the guaranteed Mafia lynch though.
Especially with the odds of there being 3 kills tonight. Majority could very easily slip.

it's 12v4 rn

I think worst case scenario with spies both being mafia and snipers and both snipers being mafia (TSP lying) we drop to 7v4?

then we yeet tsp and sabie and carry out our day and go to like 5v2

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:06 pm Aside from role mechanics, what do you think about the game?

fuck if I know lol

at least one CFDer is a wolf

I like LP

I like Guillo

Marmot is town and Sabie's a wolf

someone else had 3 votes yesterday and the fact that Seanzie went over is whack

I'm going with TSP town for the moment

Yeah we always mass claim D3

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:50 pm First off we need to know what color Engineer Martin is.
We have the Pyro who is the same color as Martin request access to his base.
We have the Pyro who is not the same color request access to the opposite base.

This takes both Pyros out of the picture for tonight.
IF either engie gets a second person requesting access they should grant access to who they trust is most likely to be Pyro.
THEN IF the engineer survives the night they out both players requesting access and we can go from there. Either way we determine who is a Pyro and who is faking being a Pyro.

Engies should probably just build Sentries, Teles are probably not worth building.

IF TSP is telling the truth about being Spy or Sniper they attempt to kill Sabie tonight.
Marmot can chose to either whip TSP or watch over TSP. Not saying which will create some unknown for Mafia so they don't know and if they try to RB TSP they risk being seen by Marmot.
Other Soldier should watch over Sabie to confirm TSP visits Sabie and discourage other visits.
IF Sabie is alive Soldier #2 outs and says who visited Sabie.
THEN IF Marmot is alive he says who visited TSP.
This should give enough information to figure out who saved Sabie and if it was a Sabie self sandvich Soldier #2 will confirm.
IF Sabie is alive and Soldier #2 does not out mass claim ASAP, the Soldier is a traitor. (if Soldier is Sabie then this plan fails somewhat, but will still confirm we have a Mafia Heavy or Demoman)

Both Demoman should be on Sabie tonight, RBing them. Soldier #2 should see this and confirm them.
IF Sabie lives despite this, then we still know both Demoman and all other visitors are suspect Medics or Heavies.

I think Heavies should probably out today.
Red Scout should track a random Heavy/Engineer claim today, obviously any visit is a confirmed Mafia.
Realistically Red Scout can track whoever they feel like if they think that player will be preforming the Mafia factional kill, but this is just a safe placeholder action.

This leaves 2 killers not named TSP and both Medics.
IF TSP Is not a Spy, we can have both medics heal the same target and have the Blue Spy attack that target.
The Blue Spy will get the names of all Town Medics if this occurs. Mafia Medics will not have their names revealed to the Blue Spy.
Blue Spy simply outs himself and says how many Medics he confirmed are Town. If he gets one or none then we know the Medics are sus. If he gets both then he does not say their names only that both Medics are Town. If this is ever proven false we have a confirmed Mafia Blue Spy on our hands.

Finally that leaves the last Sniper. We can't do much with them, they are killing who they aimed at N1.
Everyone else should be accounted for.
Obviously we don't know what Sabie is, Sabie is expected to not follow this plan, but it shouldn't matter as Sabie dies D3 if not N2.

I personally think that it's just easier and more accountable if Soldier #2 is on marmot.

Yes it's easier for demo to block somebody who is not Sabie, but Mafia would either be taking a shot in the dark or blocking a watched person by having mafia demomen roleblock someone who's not sabie. In addition, we would be able to see if demos swoop in to roleblock that target if that target is marmot or TSP (who honestly I'm assuming that target would be), and be able to clear medics from roleblocking those people under the auspices of their medic roles.

I think agree with double medic

tbh I didn't realize that heavy was a day use thing. Yeah you're right, heavies should use their day abilities, or not use their abilities at all

also if we get 3 boxed in scenarios that's like 8 clear town and GG

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:28 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:06 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:57 pm Its obvious Gav didn't read before posting.
But is notweorthy their first thought is that the kill was to frame Sabie and not Jack or Sig who I also mentioned Sabie was pushing.
Not 100% this is Mafia, but I'm not quite likeing Gav's chances at flipping Town here.

Sabie was also very off and on about voting Gav. They were at first, but ultimately gave Gav a pass for just being annoying.
Frankly I would look into it more, but that interaction was like 3 pages long.
Ah, I mean if Sabie is Mafia I wouldn’t mind getting ML’ed to this.
Even though the reason Sabie didn’t vote me is because my wagon was losing traction so Sabie needed a vote elsewhere because they knew I wouldn’t go through.

If Sabie is Town, it means mafia framed Sabie so they die today and I’m definitely never getting ML’ed in anyone’s right mind.
It also probably does spew players mafia such as Nanook and did you say something about Marmot having to do with Sabie as well?
"If sabie flips town, nanook is mafia"
"If sabie is mafia, nanook is mafia"

Dude just say you have a massive crush on me already and move on

what if sabie is 3p

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