The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:54 pm N2 Honey gets Nook's card. Nook gets TH's card. Dolby gets Honey's card. Neither Nook or Dolby claim it. Honey didn't do it or she would have told HK in DVC. The default swap chance is very low so for all these to go off is odd.
N3 Nook swaps it with Listo and again succeeds against the odds.

TH therefore has Dolby's card?

Someone has an ability to make all card swaps succeed and used it n2? Possibly a passive of someone's?

@Dolby should we be concerned if TH has your card?

But we can only attempt to swap on odd nights. So something is amiss.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:42 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:38 pm @listo95 is your card ability something that would suck in all hands? Or just in your hands?
It sucks for anyone who has it.
So if TH was town it would be something he would seek to get rid of and give to his primary suspect?

I could see giving it to your primary suspect. I had planned to give it to Nanook tonight.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:43 pm Also if you were mafia would you give it to a town in the POE or to a town clear? Also for you Listo.

Also just claim it probably.

If I was a wolf I would give this to a town clear slot.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:06 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME whose card do you have?
Listo's

Found the person who swapped with me on N3 then.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:38 pm @listo95 is your card ability something that would suck in all hands? Or just in your hands?

It sucks for anyone who has it.

So... What I'm understanding Alison is I should not swap that horrid card tonight?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:13 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:05 pm Btw the flavour cards are alignment indicative.
All I know is whoever stole my card gave me a terrible flavor card and I want rid of it now.
Who's flavor card do you have that is terrible?

TH.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:05 pm Btw the flavour cards are alignment indicative.

All I know is whoever stole my card gave me a terrible flavor card and I want rid of it now.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:37 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:34 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:03 pm Something else would be the fact that Ender had him as IDK on D1 but suddenly moved him to town D2 with what I consider fairly flimsy reasoning. Called the Nanook squabble with Michelle a reason to hardspew him as town when said squabble was like 4 posts and very minor. And after that Ender just seemed to completely ignore his existence.

listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:57 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:21 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:10 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:07 pm

why is nanook bad?
I find his supposed "town meta" wolf in general and then its just something about his posting feels off to me. It's nothing concrete but it feels right to me.
ngl I'm gonna need more than feelies on this.

Even if you're just rambling, talk to me about why you think his posting feels off.
I get that you find his "town meta" wolfy. I'm not looking for you to drop some concrete bombs that nanook is a wolf here, but more than a feeling would be fantastic
Besides the sweeping, not really solving. I found the start of D2 to be more trying to sow confusion than actually solve. He is interacting with people without interacting with them. Honestly, trying to articulate reasons is extremely difficult for me. Those would be the 3 biggest I can think of.

Something else I just thought of before pressing post was he knows his iso looks bad but isn't really trying to do anything to look better.
Thanks listo, I appreciate it.
Lemme think on this for a while. Like I don't think there's only 4 wolves, but I think I want to chop you after Martin/Triple.

What are your thoughts on Martin/Triple, and do you think all our flips have been legit thus far?
I do think both Martin and TH are honest targets. But I have them behind Nanook for me. I do believe all the flips are genuine also. Mainly because I have only ever been in 1 game ever that did fake flips. Also due to the fact if the flips are fake that makes me pretty much useless.
Listo, why did you vote Martin over Nanook? Granted, Martin was always going down

Honestly I do want Nanook yeeted. But I’m okay with any of my PoE at this point. I didn’t vote him yesterday because I knew it would only be a vanity vote and everyone knows me feeling on him by this point.

Also it’s easy for me to read but very difficult for me to post while at work -.-

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:27 pm @listo95 are you the last wolf? You can tell us, no shame I promise

Just letting you know it pretty much always shows me as browsing because I leave my computer on, it is also my active tab on my phone.

But no I’m not the wolf. I’m literally doing a piss poor job at everything I can do.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:11 am
listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:10 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:00 am I kinda just vibes through today

I don’t know what day it is lol
The answer is all around you.

Or time is just a construct so it doesn't exist.
Hey Listo.

I’ll read through your ISO I guess

Go right ahead. :P

I'm passing out though.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:00 am I kinda just vibes through today

I don’t know what day it is lol

The answer is all around you.

Or time is just a construct so it doesn't exist.

I don’t actually know how many games I’ve played lol.

Way to many for how bad I am tbh.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:22 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:20 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:16 pm I don’t watch anime, never really got into it.

I feel like I might be the minority in this group
An anime I always recommend to people even though I shouldn’t is Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni. Opening scene is NSFW, it messes with your brain, and the 1st season is all about the questions where the 2nd season answers them.
Why shouldn’t you? I like it so far

Most people don’t like confusion. Or gore. Also the anime makes many things uncomfortable lol.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:16 pm I don’t watch anime, never really got into it.

I feel like I might be the minority in this group

An anime I always recommend to people even though I shouldn’t is Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni. Opening scene is NSFW, it messes with your brain, and the 1st season is all about the questions where the 2nd season answers them.

I know none of the anime you just spammed.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:27 pm solving other wolves?
I have a solve and it's unlikely to change without any new information. Nobody really seems to be posting much and there's no effective way to apply pressure when the exe is effectively already decided so it's hard to get motivation tbh.

Yeah the yeet has already been decided so kinda hard to get people to post in this scenario.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:27 pm I'm just here so I don't get fined

I understand that feeling.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:16 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:15 pm I'm probably just going to check out of the rest of today ping me if you need me bye.
I can't see a good reason to hang around

Those of us who still need to hit the 10 posts have a reason lol.

[VOTE: TripleHaven] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:26 pm @listo95 thoughts?

Well my current thoughts are Th/Nanook are the remaining wolves to me.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:43 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:29 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:28 pm Ender started a wagon on creature that was immediately followed by listo, and then 2 others to push it to ender 3, creature 4. That was blatantly coordinated to look like a towny push on a new train. Your reasoning was shit, and I still want you dead
Then shoot me. Prove yourself wrong. Or shoot Nanook and prove me town.
If nanook were to be mod-confirmed town right now, Flea-style, what would your solve be like?

I would keep TH/Martin in my PoE. I'd be uncertain after that because I consider everyone else to be town. So I would need to get time to reread to try and see if I could pick out someone else if those 2 weren't wolves.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:51 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:42 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:40 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:29 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:28 pm Ender started a wagon on creature that was immediately followed by listo, and then 2 others to push it to ender 3, creature 4. That was blatantly coordinated to look like a towny push on a new train. Your reasoning was shit, and I still want you dead
Then shoot me. Prove yourself wrong. Or shoot Nanook and prove me town.
I’m not convinced at this point that you aren’t PARTNERS with nook. Like- ok, we kindly ignore you all game, finally kill nook, he flips red, you get massive cred for it. Because you’ve been dancing on his nutsack all game. But in the end, it could all be a deep ploy because why would we lynch nook? He’s a slanker and would probably get shot instead. Far easier to sit on your hands and let someone else vig him and take credit for the discovery.

Listo/nook 2024
Look I would LOVE to shoot him myself but I never got the KP to do so. Also I NEVER DO THIS AS A WOLF.

listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:31 pm I also don't get why you don't understand what I said earlier. As a wolf I never work with my team to push a yeet. If they are one of the options I will 99% of the time bus my own team for the town cred.
What am I missing here?
That I will GLADLY vote my own team to yeet them. As a wolf I always try my hardest to have a perfect vote record in terms of never voting town. I also generally never make reads and will just sheep with people.
I’m still confused, because if nook is wolf, and you’ve been voting nook as nauseum…you’re playing right into your wolf meta. Are you not?

Okay let me try to explain it better. I will vote for a team as a wolf if they are already a valid wagon. As a wolf I would never be trying this hard with Nanook.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:40 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:29 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:28 pm Ender started a wagon on creature that was immediately followed by listo, and then 2 others to push it to ender 3, creature 4. That was blatantly coordinated to look like a towny push on a new train. Your reasoning was shit, and I still want you dead
Then shoot me. Prove yourself wrong. Or shoot Nanook and prove me town.
I’m not convinced at this point that you aren’t PARTNERS with nook. Like- ok, we kindly ignore you all game, finally kill nook, he flips red, you get massive cred for it. Because you’ve been dancing on his nutsack all game. But in the end, it could all be a deep ploy because why would we lynch nook? He’s a slanker and would probably get shot instead. Far easier to sit on your hands and let someone else vig him and take credit for the discovery.

Listo/nook 2024
Look I would LOVE to shoot him myself but I never got the KP to do so. Also I NEVER DO THIS AS A WOLF.

listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:31 pm I also don't get why you don't understand what I said earlier. As a wolf I never work with my team to push a yeet. If they are one of the options I will 99% of the time bus my own team for the town cred.
What am I missing here?

That I will GLADLY vote my own team to yeet them. As a wolf I always try my hardest to have a perfect vote record in terms of never voting town. I also generally never make reads and will just sheep with people.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm But go ahead shoot me. Lose one of the decent role sets town has.
ok, setting aside your limited availability b/c of your job, does it often take you 2 or more days to get into a game and really start playing/interacting?
I'm very much more of an end game player. Early game sucks for me because I need vote records to go off of. Along with getting a better idea of how people post I can sometimes make reads based on interactions but it is much more difficult for me.
I’m more of a mid game player that goes off of vote records, which is why I’m so sus of you.

We have 2 flipped wolves, which is invariably HUGE info (provided they’re real) and yet you’re all over nook for…gut feeling?

The vote records ALSO show him being wolf as fuck.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:29 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:28 pm Ender started a wagon on creature that was immediately followed by listo, and then 2 others to push it to ender 3, creature 4. That was blatantly coordinated to look like a towny push on a new train. Your reasoning was shit, and I still want you dead
Then shoot me. Prove yourself wrong. Or shoot Nanook and prove me town.
Trying to bait me into using my Lobotomizer gun?

No, I'm not. I'm just getting fucking annoyed that it seems like no one wants to entertain an idea that Nanook might be scum so I'm getting emotional in my posting.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm But go ahead shoot me. Lose one of the decent role sets town has.
ok, setting aside your limited availability b/c of your job, does it often take you 2 or more days to get into a game and really start playing/interacting?

I'm very much more of an end game player. Early game sucks for me because I need vote records to go off of. Along with getting a better idea of how people post I can sometimes make reads based on interactions but it is much more difficult for me.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:29 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:28 pm Ender started a wagon on creature that was immediately followed by listo, and then 2 others to push it to ender 3, creature 4. That was blatantly coordinated to look like a towny push on a new train. Your reasoning was shit, and I still want you dead
Then shoot me. Prove yourself wrong. Or shoot Nanook and prove me town.
I’m not convinced at this point that you aren’t PARTNERS with nook. Like- ok, we kindly ignore you all game, finally kill nook, he flips red, you get massive cred for it. Because you’ve been dancing on his nutsack all game. But in the end, it could all be a deep ploy because why would we lynch nook? He’s a slanker and would probably get shot instead. Far easier to sit on your hands and let someone else vig him and take credit for the discovery.

Listo/nook 2024

Look I would LOVE to shoot him myself but I never got the KP to do so. Also I NEVER DO THIS AS A WOLF.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:03 pm Something else would be the fact that Ender had him as IDK on D1 but suddenly moved him to town D2 with what I consider fairly flimsy reasoning. Called the Nanook squabble with Michelle a reason to hardspew him as town when said squabble was like 4 posts and very minor. And after that Ender just seemed to completely ignore his existence.

listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:57 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:21 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:10 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:07 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:04 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:03 pm gonna do listo next
My entire thing can be summed up as "Nanook bad people yeet him"
why is nanook bad?
I find his supposed "town meta" wolf in general and then its just something about his posting feels off to me. It's nothing concrete but it feels right to me.
ngl I'm gonna need more than feelies on this.

Even if you're just rambling, talk to me about why you think his posting feels off.
I get that you find his "town meta" wolfy. I'm not looking for you to drop some concrete bombs that nanook is a wolf here, but more than a feeling would be fantastic
Besides the sweeping, not really solving. I found the start of D2 to be more trying to sow confusion than actually solve. He is interacting with people without interacting with them. Honestly, trying to articulate reasons is extremely difficult for me. Those would be the 3 biggest I can think of.

Something else I just thought of before pressing post was he knows his iso looks bad but isn't really trying to do anything to look better.
Thanks listo, I appreciate it.
Lemme think on this for a while. Like I don't think there's only 4 wolves, but I think I want to chop you after Martin/Triple.

What are your thoughts on Martin/Triple, and do you think all our flips have been legit thus far?

I do think both Martin and TH are honest targets. But I have them behind Nanook for me. I do believe all the flips are genuine also. Mainly because I have only ever been in 1 game ever that did fake flips. Also due to the fact if the flips are fake that makes me pretty much useless.

But go ahead shoot me. Lose one of the decent role sets town has.

I also don't get why you don't understand what I said earlier. As a wolf I never work with my team to push a yeet. If they are one of the options I will 99% of the time bus my own team for the town cred.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:26 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:03 pm Something else would be the fact that Ender had him as IDK on D1 but suddenly moved him to town D2 with what I consider fairly flimsy reasoning. Called the Nanook squabble with Michelle a reason to hardspew him as town when said squabble was like 4 posts and very minor. And after that Ender just seemed to completely ignore his existence.
Lol that’s the same case I made on you I think- you had him as idk but we’re oscillating between scum to null to town on what I called flimsy reasoning

D2:
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:19 pm
honey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:01 pm i like your analysis listo i will say flea and michelle did not seem partnered from their interactions and idk michelle voting to keep mansnicks wagon larger than enders doesnt look great to me considering if she was just going for a mis hammer and mansnicks and ender were both mishammerable in that day - ender had much more presence than mansnicks and would have been a more optimal ml if both wagons were town
That is a good point, my logic for Ender not being a wolf is I highly doubt on D1 2 wolves would vote right next to each other on a miselim.
D3: “Ender null but i agree his slot being resolved gives the most info”
45 minutes later, after a brief back and forth with ender where Ender basically says ‘no u’, here were the votes I’m seeing:
Ender 4, Gnome 4. Then Ender votes Creature, followed almost immediately by listo. Why? Because Ender looked towny for a sec, even if he gives the most info?

Naw dog I’m back to scumreading you hard

Also I thought all of Ender's votes were fairly town that day so sue me for following that for another wolf read I had.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:28 pm Ender started a wagon on creature that was immediately followed by listo, and then 2 others to push it to ender 3, creature 4. That was blatantly coordinated to look like a towny push on a new train. Your reasoning was shit, and I still want you dead

Then shoot me. Prove yourself wrong. Or shoot Nanook and prove me town.

listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:57 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:21 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:10 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:07 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:04 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:03 pm gonna do listo next
My entire thing can be summed up as "Nanook bad people yeet him"
why is nanook bad?
I find his supposed "town meta" wolf in general and then its just something about his posting feels off to me. It's nothing concrete but it feels right to me.
ngl I'm gonna need more than feelies on this.

Even if you're just rambling, talk to me about why you think his posting feels off.
I get that you find his "town meta" wolfy. I'm not looking for you to drop some concrete bombs that nanook is a wolf here, but more than a feeling would be fantastic
Besides the sweeping, not really solving. I found the start of D2 to be more trying to sow confusion than actually solve. He is interacting with people without interacting with them. Honestly, trying to articulate reasons is extremely difficult for me. Those would be the 3 biggest I can think of.

Something else I just thought of before pressing post was he knows his iso looks bad but isn't really trying to do anything to look better.

Sheeping*
EBWOP

Something else would be the fact that Ender had him as IDK on D1 but suddenly moved him to town D2 with what I consider fairly flimsy reasoning. Called the Nanook squabble with Michelle a reason to hardspew him as town when said squabble was like 4 posts and very minor. And after that Ender just seemed to completely ignore his existence.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:21 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:10 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:07 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:04 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:03 pm gonna do listo next
My entire thing can be summed up as "Nanook bad people yeet him"
why is nanook bad?
I find his supposed "town meta" wolf in general and then its just something about his posting feels off to me. It's nothing concrete but it feels right to me.
ngl I'm gonna need more than feelies on this.

Even if you're just rambling, talk to me about why you think his posting feels off.
I get that you find his "town meta" wolfy. I'm not looking for you to drop some concrete bombs that nanook is a wolf here, but more than a feeling would be fantastic

Besides the sweeping, not really solving. I found the start of D2 to be more trying to sow confusion than actually solve. He is interacting with people without interacting with them. Honestly, trying to articulate reasons is extremely difficult for me. Those would be the 3 biggest I can think of.

Something else I just thought of before pressing post was he knows his iso looks bad but isn't really trying to do anything to look better.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:07 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:04 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:03 pm gonna do listo next
My entire thing can be summed up as "Nanook bad people yeet him"
why is nanook bad?

I find his supposed "town meta" wolf in general and then its just something about his posting feels off to me. It's nothing concrete but it feels right to me.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:03 pm gonna do listo next

My entire thing can be summed up as "Nanook bad people yeet him"

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:17 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:00 pm going through Nanook ISO.
He starts out as typical nanook, is sick, is slanking, is not AI for him at all.
He comes in, sheeps alison and mac on ender, that's a good look. It's only a bad look if nanook is teamed with ender and one of alison/mac b/c he would know ender isn't going over d1. Will have to check the vote movements (I think someone posted them already?)

That's about all he does D1.
D2 he starts with saying to re-read the flips b/c michelle might not have been a wolf given falcons role. Could be either wolfy sewing paranoia or townie being paranoid, kinda depends on how he pushes that narrative throughout the day.
he and I have an argument on whether or not michelle or falcon is the more likely NK. Nanook says michelle I said falcon. The way falcon was poking at Ender in DVC tells me they were not paired, and I believe the ender flip more than I believe any of the flips other than mine. Falcon is the townie in this death bucket for sure. Michelle might have flipped "wrong" but I'm not putting stock in that.

Then he talks about alison being kidnapped and whether or not that's from mafia, town, or what, and whether or not alison should be granted NK immunity again. He says she should have it, I agree, she's like just town.

Then the "kill scotty for free" thing happened with the Prosecutor. Nanook says to take that. I also agreed with that. I think scotty is town now given how he's played the last day and a half, but at the time it seemed like a reasonable thing to explore.
Kinda thinking the prosecutor is mafia based on my town read of scotty.

I claim the red on TSP, nanook says checks are unreliable, but later says "he'll follow the mech" when determining who he thinks is most likely wolfy. Kinda sus on that but overall I do town read him throughout D1/2

D3 sheeps alison and mac on gnome, gnome flips town. Alison/mac/nanook open wolfing pack? highly doubtful. nanook pocketed by one of those two? if he is it's alison and he does "hard town read her" so eh? maybe?
Don't think alison is a wolf though so maybe just a meld between the three of them.

Kinda want to just say nanook is town here and move on.

drops my poe to Martin, Triple, Listo
I’m just like…

If listo is bad, he’s painted himself into a corner. That’s just bad wolf gameplay IMO unless he thinks his top scum reads of Martin and TH won’t get lynched for a while, setting up for..another desperation soup kill?

But they will, surely. Maybe he’s banking on nook getting lynched before him and one of Martin/TH being town.

Which I would never do lol. I much prefer playing as a wolf because I do better as one. I honestly see no universe where Nanook is town.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:28 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:23 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:15 pm So we've reached the everyone has identical reads grab a lawn chair stage

It's an unhealthy threadstate but also we... could just be right?

Imma keep doing those ISOs tho
I'm essentially the odd one out with Nanook as my main wolf read lol.
why do you think nanook is wolfy? Like he hasn't really registered on my radar at all, which is pretty typical for nanook lately.

I've said it before but I feel like he isn't really interacting with people. Where I come from what he is doing is wolf behavior. And just something feels off about all of his posts to me.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:15 pm So we've reached the everyone has identical reads grab a lawn chair stage

It's an unhealthy threadstate but also we... could just be right?

Imma keep doing those ISOs tho

I'm essentially the odd one out with Nanook as my main wolf read lol.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:40 pm If Martin/TH are our last mafia, does a 4-person team on a 21 person game make sense? I feel like it has to be one more.

For listo to just say he’s most sus of exactly what I’m thinking [plus nook] he’d be painting himself deep into a corner if wolf, unless we’re all wrong about Martin/TH.

Yeah 4 seems small to be honest. I would've expected at least 5. I'm certain at least 1 wolf is within those 3 maybe 2.

D1:
Mansnicks: HK, Honey, Scotty, GG, Ender, Michelle, Lime, Dolby
Ender: Mac, Alison, Nanook, Flea
HK: TH, Falcon, Seanzie, Mansnicks
Lost: Osie
Scotty: Creature
Nanook: Listo
No Votes: LoMo, TSP

D2:
HK: TH, Dolby, HK, Creature, Nanook, Ender, GG
Dolby: Scotty, Lime, Osie
Osie: LoMo, Flea
Nanook: Listo
Ender: Mac
GG: Honey

D3:
GG: Alison, Lime, Scotty, LoMo, Flea, Guillo
Scotty: Nanook, GG
LoMo: Mac
No Votes: Dolby, Creature, TH, Listo, Osie

We all already know what my D1 look was. Here it is again for those who forgot.

Spoiler: show

For D2 TH and Dolby are unlikely to be wolf from the HK train, Creature and Nanook are in prime spots for a wolf to hide so they both get wolf lean.
I'd say Scotty, Lime, and Martin are kinda townie for the Dolby train, Martin would have the least amount of town from it.
Flea I feel like is town, I know I'm town. Mac also feels town.

For D3 I feel like the entire GG train was town.
On the Scotty train Nanook was sheeping again so yay -.- I swear he has to be scum based on all of this but apparently this is his town meta -.-
I'm willing to bet whatever happened to Mac was due to wolf so yeah.
From the non votes I feel like Dolby and Creature are town. Leaving TH and Martin as my 2nd and 3rd most sus.

So as of now I would say my entire PoE is Nanook-Martin-TH.

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:20 am a status effect was just applied onto me such that I would be required to shoot today if I had a gun

I do not actually have a gun

That certainly sounds like it would be mafia to me.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:55 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:40 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:38 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:36 pm Since you said it, listo, what information did you gain from ender’s flip? Besides that nook is bad
Like I said during last day. Creature is likely town now, Dolby is almost certainly town. I haven't had time to look at the votes yet and will do that sometime tomorrow because I have work soon.
Are you making those reads because of Ender’s flip, or exclusive from it?

If we’ve caught 2 wolves, how many wolves do you think are left, and who is in your POE now? Besides nook
Those 2 are because of the flip.

Not including Nook I'd say my POE before looking at vote records is TH and Osie. Everyone else I feel like is town or town leaning. Maybe Lime as a distant 3rd?
But why does the flip give you that impression? I did see in your iso right after he flipped that you made these reads, but you never said why

Dolby is because I don't think a teammate would shoot another in thread. The Creature is because of Ender trying to get him yeeted.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:40 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:38 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:36 pm Since you said it, listo, what information did you gain from ender’s flip? Besides that nook is bad
Like I said during last day. Creature is likely town now, Dolby is almost certainly town. I haven't had time to look at the votes yet and will do that sometime tomorrow because I have work soon.
Are you making those reads because of Ender’s flip, or exclusive from it?

If we’ve caught 2 wolves, how many wolves do you think are left, and who is in your POE now? Besides nook

Those 2 are because of the flip.

Not including Nook I'd say my POE before looking at vote records is TH and Osie. Everyone else I feel like is town or town leaning. Maybe Lime as a distant 3rd?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:36 pm Since you said it, listo, what information did you gain from ender’s flip? Besides that nook is bad

Like I said during last day. Creature is likely town now, Dolby is almost certainly town. I haven't had time to look at the votes yet and will do that sometime tomorrow because I have work soon.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:34 pm This whole interaction in particular is contrived.
listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:28 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:22 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:19 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:18 pm
listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:16 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:15 pm

"Strongest reads"

"Null"

Alright.
That portion was less for the null and more for the fact that you do need to be resolved for the most info gain imo.
Why? Because you can't read my posts so you need to POE me?
Well that and I do truly believe you will give a lot of info with your elimination.
That sounds like lazy play guv.
Is it a lazy play when it plays to my strength of having more info?
Especially considering listo then says Ender looks towny and votes creature.

That’s one

Because I literally thought Creature was a wolf and Ender was looking townie that day phase lol. If that is me being a wolf you honestly think I'm a terrible wolf.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:28 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:16 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Scotty: your push on listo has been at least partially based on Ender associations. How does the suggestion of Ender being town (which I know you've been publicly grappling with and taking seriously) affect your read on listo?
If Ender is town it requires me to flip all of my reads upside down, including you.

And yes, the Ender scum flip is what makes me most suspicious.

Once I have some time to myself I’ll be able to show more closely my thoughts on listo’s behavior around the train d3. Or if you’re bored, you can look too, and tell me his pushes weren’t in some effort to dissuade the ender’s game

Let me just say this since none of you really know me. I love bussing my own team as scum.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:45 am
listo95 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:41 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:31 am
listo95 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:18 am ANd with Ender I did say he would need to be resolved but I thought based on his posting he was townie. If that is literally the reason I'm teamed with him then lol.
It’s more of a pattern IMO.

I can break it down in shorthand first:
Michele mentioned you once.
All of your interactions with Ender where he scumreads you are softball distancing. He even goes so far as to say you were safe for D1 but you could be resolved later.
You voted for…nook? D1, which was a throwaway vote early but you just rode with it, and you continue to do so to this day.
D2 you continued with nook, not adding anything to the trains at hand.
D3 you continue with the nook tunnel only to join the creature brigade, saying he looks towny, then unvoting after his death, leaving your vote on nothing.

That’s the skinny.
I also did only post 14 times D1 so really almost no one interacted with me.
I'm generally an easy miselim due to my low post style
And for the D1 Nook I said I was going to sleep and would try to catch up when I woke up, I woke up and by the time I caught up day had just ended.
The D2 and D3 Nook is because I do genuinely believe he is wolf.
True you didn’t do much D1. That doesn’t help your case.
And I townread you up until ender’s flip.

If nook is lynched and he comes up good, where does that leave you? Would you be comfortable being next in line?

I view it as “oh, I was just a tunneling town and we all make mistakes right guys?”

I never do much D1 no matter my alignment. If he comes up town I'd understand the focus to get me yeeted. Would I like it? No, because I know I am town.

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