The Syndicate

Also thanks to @Guillotine for putting up with a mountain of questions and for hosting the game.

GG. Props to Scotty and Alison in particular for exceptional play this game.

I wish I could have stayed in the game but work/life balance became a concern for me.

I think current wagons (TH/Listo) are W/W so I'm fine with either.

Welcome back @hollowkatt

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:56 pmTH and osie have been largely ignored by the thread but there have been no good reasons to clear them. There is probably scum laying low here and coasting by. TH probably fits that behavioral pattern more than osie.

I've tried engaging to very little avail.

I'm sorta feeling like there's not much point to engaging here at this point since I feel like I'm mostly being ignored when I'm posting... Not particularly enjoyable.

Anyways... The host and two of my scumreads are voting for Ender, who I townread.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

Seeing if this will work.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:14 am TH/Creature/Osi is where I am right now for scum.

Maybe Scotty replaces one of them.

GG could theoretically be in there but it'd have to be on a team without Creature. I honestly don't see her as scum rn.

Wait what? I get TH individually, but can you explain anything about this mysterious world of yours?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:09 am

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:07 am @MacDougall Are you able to vote more than once in the same post? If yes, vote me twice. If no, vote me once.

Guillo warned against OGI/Angleshooting. Please stop this.

Okay. Not what I figured that was, but whatever.

@MacDougall Are you able to vote more than once in the same post? If yes, vote me twice. If no, vote me once.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:35 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:34 pm lol I’m loving that the host vote actually counts for Ender.
Wtf is this game

the host is scum.

Well that helps the POE for sure.

Bastard isn’t even on the poll

Truly is unwinnable

We could vote for the host.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:29 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:28 am I think Scotty has been townie today tbh. He has a lot of WIM and motivation to solve, and his thoughts are free flowing and make sense.

Conversely, I think Ender has looked townie today too lol

However, that doesn’t change the fact that his d2 was not and D1 Michele votes don’t look good

I think every scumread I've seen on Ender has been based on a single small part of their ISO, just like this read. I'm not convinced.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:19 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:28 am

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:19 am

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:22 am [VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Out of the three here, I feel like this is most likely to be a hit.

It will be a hit.
You'll hit town.
Enjoy.

Most probably gnome is scum.

You'll find out after you flip me and I bleed green blood all over the place.
Like a Vulcan.

Green blood? Must be an imposter! Gnome sus.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:36 am

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:35 am Honestly, fuck it. I really don't want to elim in this group. I'm inclined to believe that we have entirely town wagons.

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

Naw, there’s some combination of town and mafia methinks. Someone’s attempting to save someone.
It makes sense to me that creature is town, even though he’s not playing as such, and that creature voteswell was to save both GG and Ender

I have a stronger townread on Ender than either of the other two. I don't think I'd ever vote for Ender prior to LyLO.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:32 am

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:38 am I also feel sad that everyone seems to have mostly stopped thinking about reading people off of Michelle's flip.

That’s the main reason I think Ender is bad. Did you happen to read that? Where are you getting your Ender = town conclusions?

I see their interactions being too likely to come from Michelle interacting with a town player.

Oh well, I guess if nobody else is around, I'll head to bed.

Mac's post restriction's an interesting twist here...

The lack of times at which I can be online makes this a bit more difficult too. I'd love to get more interaction in.

Also, @Scotty why did you go over postcount on D2? (Or at least according to the SoD3 post.)

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:45 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:25 pm Why not do it to Alison? No offense to Mac but Alison would be a better insanifier target

The post Mac is repeating over and over is the post he got warned for violating the post cap for so it's possible that it has something to do with that. Alternatively it could be related to the fake gun he triggered which he said gave him a bunch of negative util effects. Silencing could easily fall under that category.

Going over postcap vanillises. That mac seems to have actioned gives me concerns.

Wait mac actioned despite going over the postcap? UGGGGGGGGGGH.

It was pretty much the only solid foothold I had on this game since I don't really know anyone else nearly as well.

I also feel sad that everyone seems to have mostly stopped thinking about reading people off of Michelle's flip.

I feel sorta sad that it's Day 3 of a 21 player bastard role madness game and I'm kinda bored.

Honestly, fuck it. I really don't want to elim in this group. I'm inclined to believe that we have entirely town wagons.

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:23 pm

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:18 pm On Ender, I need to be careful today is all ^_^;

Can you specify what kind of carefulness you need to employ without risking a soupkill?

I am reasonably confident on Ender. I find it hard to believe that the D1 wagons were T/T/T, especially since I was kidnapped with my vote on Ender at EOD. Mac was also given a bad gun and he was the other person who was riding Ender's ass. I don't know why the Ender pressure would dissolve mysteriously yesterday if he was a townie, and I have no problems believing that scum were trying to make the day all about HK and TSP to draw attention away from him. He has done nothing to clear himself other than talk a lot which draws frivolous townreads from people in the POE. In short, multiple independent factors seem to point towards him being mafia. It is also worth noting that Mac has said Michelle compulsively distance votes her buddies and the way she treated Ender (attacking him repeatedly and then suddenly saying "something about his EOD makes me want to leave him alive" and switching to mansnicks) is extremely partner indicative with that meta.

Nope. And I want to leave it late. consider my vote there in spirit.

Also I have no gun nobody likes me

I feel like given the track record on the guns, I wouldn't trust one to not be detrimental if I got one.

I'd still rather see TH or Dolby eliminated. I wouldn't be opposed to Listo or Nanook.

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Out of the three here, I feel like this is most likely to be a hit.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:01 pm Here comes the movement again when Ender is on the block.
Someone really doesn’t want Ender to die

Creature seems too easy of a chop right now.

@MacDougall, what do you think about still killing Garden Gnome today?

Maybe? I sorta felt like this was a movement from Garden Gnome rather than from Ender. Not confident on that front.

Someone soaked me in water during the night. Not sure if that does anything, but figured I'd mention it.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:12 pm

honey wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:09 pm also whoever doesnt talk here at night is maf guillo cant kill all of us

I think you underestimate Thanos our host

This.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:07 pm Michelle on Ender:

Spoiler: show

Michelle votes Ender D1, becoming the first vote on Ender.
Creature then almost immediately votes Ender too, to which Michelle finds suspicious. Almost as if she didn’t expect anyone to sheep her.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:44 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:30 pm I'll prob stick with voting Ender because something feels fishy about them

What made you vote?
What's fishy?

But she keeps the vote there.

In short i have

Mansnicks
Mac
HK
For top TRs

Creature
Ender
For top SRs

Still top SRs Ender.

Meanwhile I also voted Ender and he is the leading wagon at 3. Michelle still hasn’t changed votes.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:57 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:15 pm Kinda don't like Michelle, ngl.

Kinda agree ngl

Explain
Otoh i have you as wolf read, so it's a logical thing you'd do as either AI

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:50 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:15 pm
Yes, I am not sure about my read. Should I be? If it isn't clear, it was a scumlean on you.

It isn't a waste of a post for me to express how I feel about a slot in the game. Do you expect no one to voice scumreads?

Why are you quoting a ton of posts but not actually doing anything with them/talking about them?

I expect reads, not shades. Your post pinged me hard because we have no history and we didn't interact at all, and the wording was wishy-washy
For eg my suspicion on Creature is based on meta of multiple games and his lack of content in this game.

I just want to keep those posts in my Iso for later in the game, if i am alive i iso myself to see what i found interesting in day 1- this is a day to obtain infos.

Can you post some reads? a list would be enough.

Creature has lack of content in every game on here I've played with him.

Creature can post genuine and complain for lack of motivation as wolf. Equalising his wolf meta with his town meta on site is easy
I have more than 3 games experience as both alignaments, so your meta is incomplete

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:59 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:34 pm Well what I've gotten so far-

Townreading:
Honey
TH
Scott
Alison

Scumreading
Creature
Mansnicks

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Switching to voting Creature for now because I'm more confident that he's(?) a more likely hit than Mansnicks.

Creature slanking and doing shit all is NAI for him. Please stop wasting early ml on Creature, he resolves later just fine and we can actually catch people D1 instead of lynching a slanker who resolves later.

You know Creature is town?

So at this point, Michele is actively having a interrogatory convo with Ender’s posts. If this is w/w, it’s pretty subtle but also confusing distancing. I’d expect her to start looking to find a way to extract herself from voting him at this point.

Spoiler: show

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:19 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:42 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:14 pm
I’ve never been a viable wagon, you just created that narrative.

And…does it matter? It was in my thinking box up yonder.
Do you disagree with my assessment?

You're now tied first. I made shit all up with regards to you being a viable counterwagon. The fact that you're acting like those three votes on you mean nothing is exactly why I'm really wondering.

And I hate "Kill the low posters" as an assessment.

Many low posters (Creature notably) resolve themselves when given time.

Other low posters can be good targets for anyone on town with a kill or investigative power.

Town wins by creating and utilizing information in thread. By going after the low posters you're providing scum with an easy vote that has low impact, and not only that, they can easily push towards town in the low posters with little accountability and no way for anyone to call them on picking that person. It's bad or worse, take your pick.

I like this reasoning

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:23 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:17 am Ender give me a quick leans list pls. I haven’t caught up yet and want to vibe

Towny:
Lime Coke
Honey
Garden Gnome

Lightly towny:
HK
Dolby
osieorb
Flea
Seanzie

Deep Wolves: (Kinda towny but they have good earlygames as wolves)
Alison
Mac

IDK pile:
Creature
Nanook
LoMo
TripleHaven
TSP

Lightly scummy:
Michelle
listo95

Scummier:
Falcon
Mansnicks
Scotty
EnderWiggin

You put yourself as bottom scum..

agrees with Ender.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:40 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:52 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:57 am You know Creature is town?

No? I've literally been campaigning against voting the low-posters as a whole?

Voting in low posters even if we hit a wolf is not as valuable if we keep votes within active users.

As for the scum read, you seem to make assumptions about things and dismiss other people's opinions (like my Creature approach) which pings really off to me.

Coloured text: I like this approach, about game theory/generalities you posted similar thoughts with mine.

About my assumptions, I usually don't sheep other reads in games, especially from people i don't know, and i post things to receive answers. This is how I form reads
Your Creature approach is correct for day 1 and if you notice, i didn't vote him because i don't want him dead today. Anyway, if he is villager, a townie who doesn't post is a very bad presence for the game because if he can make it to lylo is the designated ML by the wolves.

Still, i don't enjoy policy eliminations so I hope Creature will find his Wim, maybe somewhere in the glorious wolf win he had in Jaleb's 3/21 at MU.

starting to mind meld with Ender about creature.

So anyway, at this point, her vote has been sitting on Ender for like 15 hours, and I am the leading wagon 4-3.

Spoiler: show

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:47 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:22 am

About day 1 wagons, the silence around them is concerning, if Scotty is wolf his mates are sleeping without much care.
I would say we can't hit a wolf (probably) by voting the top wagons, but being very early in the morning in US this is a weaker take than usual.

I can bet its at least one wolf in the no voters

begins to throw doubt about the leading wagons of me, Ender and HK

@EnderWiggin ISO - 92 p, trending up, but had a very wolfy start imo

Now starting to change her tune. Still would’ve expected this earlier before Ender was a viable train if he were w/w

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:00 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:22 am

mansnicks wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:14 am listo has had 2 posts where he hasn't talked exclusively about himself - and both those posts have been suspicious to some people.
The way I see it, 100% of that slot's content is scum indicative? Because the other 83% of his posts were justifying himself.

Don't get me wrong, he might as well be overwhelmed town. But objectively that slot is just wolfy.

I know that all players are biased in the sense that lynching a slot like that feels lazy and like not playing the game.
But I hope people will consider this lynch.
[VOTE: Listo95] aubergine

Finally, something I can get behind.

[VOTE: Listo95] aubergine

what about this read Scotty? What makes Ender's wagon better? The fact the wagon became bigger?

Kinda strange question. Not sure what to make of it in context.

At this point it’s really hard to tell the vote totals. I’m pretty certain Ender has 5 votes (including Michelle) and is leading. Michelle doesn’t have extreme urgency to change her vote.

At some point, osie votes lomo. Ender’s train shrinks a little. And Michelle switches to lomo.

Then this exchange:

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:19 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:31 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:47 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:22 am

About day 1 wagons, the silence around them is concerning, if Scotty is wolf his mates are sleeping without much care.
I would say we can't hit a wolf (probably) by voting the top wagons, but being very early in the morning in US this is a weaker take than usual.

I can bet its at least one wolf in the no voters

Alison are you reading the game right? Michelle literally says she thinks we don't hit wolf in Scotty/HK/Me?

She sussed me earlier then we talked.

I mean I disagree with her there but anyway.

Who do you think can flip scum in the main wagons?

How come in a game with 21 players Eod is soooo quiet?

Ender is not exactly chummy with Michelle.

Lastly, Ender self preserves and flea ties it up I think 5-5 mansnicks/Ender close to EoD.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:23 am reading Mansnicks Iso, it's rather empty and I want to keep his wagon up.
My TR on him existed rather because of the vibe and impression of him being contributive, but he was asking left and right things without following them up afterwards

Something on last Ender posts makes me to want him alive at this Eod

[VOTE: Mansnicks] aubergine

Michelle puts mansnicks ahead, literally saving Ender.

Ok, so to unpack this. The only way I see Ender bad here is is Michelle is comfortable as a wolf leaving her vote on a teammate. Her saving vote at the end placing on mansnicks is a little too on the nose IMO. But it could be something there. She has subtle cases on other people and the lomo vote could be a time where she felt comfortable voting away from Ender without looking suspicious.

After all this, I think I have to cede to someone who knows Michelle’s scum game: Would she passively bus a teammate for most of the day?
I’m no longer on Ender being a townread, and put him as firm scum lean if someone can confirm Michelle would do this as scum.

I don't think they're teammates; I think Michelle generally refrains from bussing.

honey wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:16 am Also i kinda think flea is just chaotic town sry osie i think the tunnel is misplaced

Yeah their response felt like townie frustration and there's more of a link from Michelle to the others. They could be cftwr, but for the moment I am moving them up in my reads.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:04 am@osieorb18
Explain why Michelle interaction spews Creature Town.

Michelle has 8 posts of talking towards/about Creature, at least 5 of which are strong scumreads towards Creature. Creature also goes after Michelle in regards to this. It's just too unlikely that they are aligned.

ISO dive, round 2.

So LoMo is making posts as if they have been much more present than they have been. Has this been just a really circumspect way for them to look like they're catching up? I mean, I get that putting all of one's reads into individual posts like I do is a stylistic choice, but damn are their posts minimalistic. I feel like about 10 out of the, what, 15 posts they've made in this Day phase could be a single post. And the other posts would have very little to them. Some of them also feel like LoMo is trying to be a leader in the thread, which really doesn't make sense given that they've had one of the lowest presences of anyone in the game. It's very WiFoM, but I'm also sorta tinfoiling that Michelle knew that I would likely catch her and was trying to anti-spew LoMo; her vote on them while locking me as town also feels like a pocket attempt, what she usually goes for when she's scum and I'm town. But would she do that on a buddy over a townslot? Ehh... Michelle doesn't bus as often. Maybe there's a point there. But that just brings me back to who else was being wagoned at the time and makes me more suspicious of Ender/HK/Scotty. And out of the three of those HK looks the worst. Ehh... LoMo can be a scumlean for the time being. I really can't get past how awkward their ISO feels. Oh god, and they suggested they were spewed town by Michelle. Eww. I hate that. Yeah, LoMo is unlikely to go higher than a scumlean without another notable scumflip.

MacDougall has this odd "LoMo is conftown" comment which they don't explain. But they still have been calling things out well... And I really don't think that "dumb gun" claim comes from a wolf. The pushing on HK looks really solid. They then backed down on the HK scumread and were voting Scotty? But went back to HK. Odd. I don't hate this, I think. But their worldbuilding is bad. I'll leave them at townlean but I really don't want to see them in LyLO.

Hollowkatt's "Red Check" looks pretty bad for them. The way they responded to the pressure is... townie though? Yeah, in fact it's really townie. Yeah, the more I look, the more I don't think that HK AtE's this hard as wolf. Like, the way they went about things is awful for us, but it feels just like any of the awful town play moments that I've seen from others. I think they're legitimately frustrated that this game has gone to where it has for them, and it just sorta oozes townie frustration. I feel bad for them, but it is what it is. Michelle had HK at locktown for much of the previous phase. Does she do that with a buddy? Ehh, I'm not sure. HK was her initial RVS vote before myself. I'm down to put them at a townlean since I still have some tinfoils there. Said earlier.

I really felt like Lime Coke had a purity to them in D1. It was one of my stronger reads. They haven't been nearly as present in D2, which is annoying, but they still have that purity to their posts. It's like watching a teenage version of myself earnestly trying to navigate social waters and it's really fun to watch. Michelle also seems to TMI Lime Coke as Town with their early interactions. Townread sustained.

Flea's D2 feels HYPER-performative. Like, this hurts to read. They're here, they're posting, but they're not actually doing stuff. They have no initiative. They're just playing a part. And their voting and reads toDay look atrocious. I had at least 1.5 times as much content (probably more like 2 times since a higher percentage of my posts are content) as they did in D1 and they have no memory of me? The hell? Despite Michelle's derp on them in terms of pronouns, that doesn't seem like enough for a clear. Their interactions don't do enough for me in this size of a game, and some of them actively feel like they could be teammates. Strong Scumread. Said earlier.

Nanook throwing wine on the Michelle flip is not a good look. They follow it up with some amount of disengagement. I don't know... This really doesn't feel like town Nanook, just continuously being disengaged like this. With Michelle, there's two interactions, and a nullread. Those interactions are a better look for Nanook, and I like some of their most recent posts, but I'm really not feeling Nanook as town. I think I'm moving them to scumread.

Alison being kidnapped means we don't get a lot from D2, but being kidnapped is a good look for them, and their D1 was solid. They also seems hard-TMI'd as town by Michelle. Keeping her at a strong townread.

Ender felt okay on D1. I'm feeling a touch of paranoia there since I think they work on some teams, and their D2 is not nearly as stellar. But it's not bad. Their spew reads aren't great, but they don't feel scum-motivated, just bad play. I never want to elim Ender before LyLO this game, overall; I think their effort on D1 while under pressure looks really good and their D2 feels sorta like a sigh of relief while still trying to solve, even if they aren't doing it well. I don't think they're ever a buddy with Michelle. Townread.

I had TH at a townlean but I'm sorta liking them less and less. They sorta feel like they're flying under the radar to a degree. I still like some of their posts, and I like some of their logical processes feeling visible... And Michelle gets me nothing outside of locking TH as town in three players, one of which is me and the other of which is HK... Oh shit. Rule of three. Strong scumread due to spew from Michelle, IMO.

Dolby's performance and input have been lacking to say the last. I feel like they saw that they were being scumread for interactions with Michelle and then gave up. Michelle interactions definitely don't look good, either. Hard Scumread.

Huh, I find myself agreeing with Scotty here and there in D2 more than I anticipated. And despite being focused on several times, I think they're legitimately trying to solve instead of worrying about defense here. I still don't care for some of their D1, and their tunnel on me feels really tired. I can sorta see where they might be town though. Like, it's like Marluxion when they're buried deep in a tunnel. They're just ignoring all of the indications that their tunnel is wrong and repeatedly trying to pull people back to the tunnel. Ehh. I'm not hugely leaning them as being on a team with Michelle so I think I'm putting them up to a townlean, as insane as it feels.

Garden Gnome feels a bit performative, but I also don't hate them. Their interactions with Scotty feel kinda T/T. If one of them is a wolf, it's probably here actually, but I'm not solid on that yet. Michelle interacts with Garden Gnome 6 times. I'm leaning away from them being buddied. Townlean.

Randomly mindmelding with honey here and there. I also find them adorable. If honey is scum, I kinda still don't want to eliminate them. They're just such a fun person. I want to continue to see more of them in the game; they're refreshing and exciting regardless of alignment. I strongly believe that they're town and it would take a lot to convince me otherwise. Michelle had four or five points of interaction with Honey and voted them for the NK immunity. I'm not convinced they are buddies. Strong Townread.

Creature feels pretty pure in late D1 and during D2, and despite the gross mentioning it themself, does look townie from Michelle interactions. Townlean.

Listo continues to have very little to go off of; kinda just want to LAL this slot and call it a day. Super disengaged and at least sorta works in a lot of worlds. Michelle soft defends them and then hedges on a scumread on them. Maintaining my scumread here.

Conf Town:

Falcon
mansnicks
osieorb18
Seanzie
TonyStarkPrime

Strong Townreads:

Alison
honey

Townreads:

EnderWiggin
Lime Coke

Townleans:

Creature
Garden Gnome
HK
MacDougall
Scotty

Scumleans:

lost monkey

Scumreads:

listo95
NANOOK

Hard Scumreads:

Dolby
Flea the Magician
TH

Conf Scum:

Michelle

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

honey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:43 pm Two >rand wolves sheeping the Dolby push is pretty lame cuz I kinda wanna vote there lol.

i choked on my apple cider reading this lmaoooo

Damn it, you're reminding me I'm out of cider. I might make a Purple Rain instead (Creme de Violette, Gin, Vermouth, Lemon Juice).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:20 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:19 pm I think I'd have to believe that HK is one of the worst players I've ever played with to believe that they are definitely mafia here over even half of the players currently in the game. And I think HK is one of the better players in this thread.

how does this make sense from a town perspective?

What do you mean? Like, I think HK has been townie for the most part and the part that isn't would be really bad play as mafia, IMO.

Not getting my wallpost done before work for realsies; on my way out now, but I'm between Dolby/Flea/TH as my favourite elims at the moment for the Day, with Flea the most extreme followed by TH.

I think I'd have to believe that HK is one of the worst players I've ever played with to believe that they are definitely mafia here over even half of the players currently in the game. And I think HK is one of the better players in this thread.

@MacDougall Like, you've said you think 4 players other than HK are the wolves. But you want to eliminate someone you think is probably Town before any of the players in your world.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:09 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:04 pm Also MacDougall is doing exactly what HK predicted that scum would do... This feels too easy especially since Mac was acting townie before.

I have a bit more time than I thought but I still may leave soon for work.

HK said he has to be resolved. He does. I'll be dammed if I am going to give a shit about being scumread for doing the logical thing. With my role I have been half contemplating claiming it and letting the mafia soup me anyway.

I think he has to be resolved before LyLO/MyLO but I'm not actually convinced that he has to be resolved on this phase. We have more agency than that and more pointing to Dolby or Flea based on Michelle.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:08 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:37 pm flea
ender
osie
lime

wolfy list probably

Well that readlist doesn't match the gamestate at all...

Do you just not care about the game or are you wolfclaiming? I thought you were town, but this is bad.

It is 4 scummy slots. Explain to me how it doesn't match the gamestate?

Only one of those players is actually scummy, though.

And you're voting HK instead.

Also, you think Flea and I are on a team? That I was partners with Michelle and now I'm trying to bus right after losing the strongest member of the team by far in your world? I just don't see how you're coming to that team at all.

Also MacDougall is doing exactly what HK predicted that scum would do... This feels too easy especially since Mac was acting townie before.

I have a bit more time than I thought but I still may leave soon for work.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:37 pm flea
ender
osie
lime

wolfy list probably

Well that readlist doesn't match the gamestate at all...

Do you just not care about the game or are you wolfclaiming? I thought you were town, but this is bad.

I need to head into work, but I have reads on about half the game written out in a text file and will finish that up later. I'm pretty comfortable with my townreads, but my townleans and lower still need some sorting. I do think that my vote is in the wrong place though. From my reads:

Hollowkatt's "Red Check" looks pretty bad for them. The way they responded to the pressure is... townie though? Yeah, in fact it's really townie. Yeah, the more I look, the more I don't think that HK AtE's this hard as wolf. Like, the way they went about things is awful for us, but it feels just like any of the awful town play moments that I've seen from others. I think they're legitimately frustrated that this game has gone to where it has for them, and it just sorta oozes townie frustration. I feel bad for them, but it is what it is. Michelle had HK at locktown for much of the previous phase. Does she do that with a buddy? Ehh, I'm not sure. HK was her initial RVS vote before myself. I'm down to put them at a townlean since I still have some tinfoils there.

Flea's D2 feels HYPER-performative. Like, this hurts to read. They're here, they're posting, but they're not actually doing stuff. They have no initiative. They're just playing a part. And their voting and reads toDay look atrocious. I had at least 1.5 times as much content (probably more like 2 times since a higher percentage of my posts are content) as they did in D1 and they have no memory of me? The hell? Despite Michelle's derp on them in terms of pronouns, that doesn't seem like enough for a clear. Their interactions don't do enough for me in this size of a game, and some of them actively feel like they could be teammates. Hard Scumread.

[VOTE: Flea the Magician] aubergine

honey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:19 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:05 pm

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:40 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:21 pm Every time I get back to the thread wildfire just keeps spreading and towns keep dying.

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:09 pm I could actually get behind Ozie for a yeet

[VOTE: Osie] aubergine

Literally no memory of them.


HONEY!! WHERE ARE YOU!?

She's like 20 away from post cap I'm sure she'll check in every now and then

Oh yeah, she went hyper mode yesterday.
Brain glitches are fun ^_^
It's like MissngNo appears in my brain sometimes

She states she's attempting to not try hard in games.

She ends up try harding anyways.

and i hate myself for it :' )
but i literally cannot stand when people make up lies about me and try to damage my character

You're reminding me of a good friend of mine from another site right now and I'm loving it.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:05 pm

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:40 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:21 pm Every time I get back to the thread wildfire just keeps spreading and towns keep dying.

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:09 pm I could actually get behind Ozie for a yeet

[VOTE: Osie] aubergine

Literally no memory of them.


HONEY!! WHERE ARE YOU!?

She's like 20 away from post cap I'm sure she'll check in every now and then

Oh yeah, she went hyper mode yesterday.
Brain glitches are fun ^_^
It's like MissngNo appears in my brain sometimes

She states she's attempting to not try hard in games.

She ends up try harding anyways.

"It's not like I like try harding or anything, baka!"

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:37 pm Osie is probably on the other side of the world. I know Mac is. I alwAys forget who’s Aussie and sleeping when the real people are up and about.

I'm on the west coast of the US, I just have an odd sleep schedule because of my job and some health conditions.

If osie is wolf, we have variably similar reads, which makes me nervous that either I’m wrong on my toe reads or they’re distancing. Can’t tell.

What are your current reads again other than tunneling me into insanity?

D2 so far for osie has been:
-shrugging off my case on them, saying “I wish I got to be scum partners with Michele!” (Bleh)
-voting TSP while also wanting to vote me or lomo (bleh)
-continuing to scum read me and lomo
-explaining that Michele tries to avoid partners when wolf, which osie acknowledges looks bad for them
-moving right along with the tunnel of being bad and that I am spewing creature as town (lol bleh)
-continuing to explain michele’s meta, says they will look into whether or not she was doing that (though I don’t see how you can see that unless…you know who her partners are)

Wow, that's a really unfavourable way to paint my actions.

I would have been overjoyed if I was in any form of chat (scum/mason/neighbour/etc) with Michelle or most other players and been putting a lot more time and energy into this game than I have. As is, it's been a bit difficult to be present and not actually drawing much interaction has greatly hurt my wim.

I voted TSP while being WILLING to vote you or LoMo. That's not saying that I'd PREFER to vote you or LoMo.

I've scumread you and LoMo because I found you scummy and my reads there haven't really updated.

At the moment, I'm still uncertain on you to the point of a scumlean, and even more so on LoMo. But I'm going through and ISOing everyone again since that was exponentially quicker than reading through the thread end to end, and I anticipate some shifts especially since out of the dead players, I was going to specifically look back at Michelle. I've been pretty solid (read: at least maybe 80% on accuracy so far in games) on finding Michelle's partners from her posts and what is or isn't in them.

Why would I even acknowledge or explain that as scum? I'd be trying NOT to make myself look bad.

I can look at Michelle's posts and usually see some amount of spew or lack of interaction pointing to buddies. I haven't tried in a larger game like this, but in smaller games, it's been pretty reliable on catching her buddies. If she doesn't talk about someone at all, they're probably a buddy.

Just woke up.

I'm starting to doubt my scumread on Scotty since I'm thinking they don't maintain their tunnel like this if they're scum.

TSP got shot and flipped town. Okay.

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine

Dolby shooting TSP... This is a bastard game, but I think for now I'm townreading that. Creature's responses and recent involvement have been good.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:39 pm HK is probably town and all who are voting her need to be isoed. If she was scum regardless of the wifom created by some regarding the flip, they should have lost one. Hk doing all this is not optimal play for scum.

They did self-vote after being exposed fake-red-checking a town player... None of this is townie behaviour.

But

If HK stays engaged then sure they can be town, but I'm not currently convinced.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:47 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:42 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:12 am
you either can't read spew or you're a wolf. you tell me which one it is.

You tell me how "Light sus but never pushing for votes" is town spew.

Lightly sussing partners is the absolute minimum entry for bussing strats.

Scum players almost ALWAYS have at least one light sus on a team mate.

Your view of creature is my view of osie.
Michelle had her vote on osie for 24 hours, based on nothing, but osie was never in danger of getting votes. Then she soft defends osie down the line and retracts seemingly ever sussing them.

I hadn't shown up to the thread when she had her vote on me. Then when I showed up and started playing, she withdrew her vote since it would look weird for anyone with Michelle's level of experience playing with me to be voting for me. Michelle and I can usually find each other as t/t and so her finding me as town helps her stay out of firmly being in my scumreads.

I need to get some sleep, but I'll try to look at things in the morning.

Looking back at flea, I like them more than before.

A very cursory look at people before I sleep leaves me at:

Conf Town:

Falcon
mansnicks
osieorb18
Seanzie

Townreads:

Alison
honey
Lime Coke

Townleans:

EnderWiggin
Flea the Magician
HK
MacDougall
TH

Scumleans:

Creature
Garden Gnome
listo95
NANOOK

Scumreads:

Dolby
lost monkey
Scotty
TonyStarkPrime

Conf Scum:

Michelle

I do think that Michelle's partners can get her to not avoid them, but it's usually them initiating interaction IMO, unless Michelle's trying to pull them to play more. In this game, I don't feel like I saw her doing that? I could take another look.