The Syndicate

MightyQ read porscha scum most of all lol

just letting y'all know i may not be in front of a computer tonight or early tomorrow. not ghosting y'all just may be unavailable

i don't wanna play a f3 lmao wolf please throw and kill me

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:33 pm if Porscha is town, why aren't they trying to solve w/ us?

people have real lives lol

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:30 pm Oh no guys Gavial is voting me.

i'll sheep this

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:19 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:19 pm I don’t understand how you can read someone who’s posting in emoji’s other then their actions.

And btw their actions are more Townie then wolfy.

It’d be nice though if they could drop with the emoji’s because they should know at this point that their little gimmick isn’t helping them or us that much.
@DrWilgy
Can I ask what your initial plan was and why you decided to do this gimmick and what your thoughts are regarding what has transpired so far especially with other’s opinions regarding your gimmick.

Just looking for reactions.
You Bad
Mac Bad
Porsche Good
CR Good

Not much else related to the gimmick.

Does anyone else see a progression on Porscha from Wilgy? He had Pors as Town here

not necessarily as town, just said their reaction to the emojiposting was fine. this was the only thing wilgy said about porscha prior to putting them in poe and i don't think it's THAT strong

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:05 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:09 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:08 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:06 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:09 pm BTW I was the counter wagon to Wilgy, so unless you think it was w/w wagons D1 then I'm cleared from being Wilgy's partner.

i still think the logic of this post is extremely bad. there's absolutely nothing that says two wolves can't be in 3 wagons on d1. especially when a town wagon of the 3 got pushed over by a wolf switching their vote. like it smells vaguely of CR seeing people clear porscha for being the cw on d2 and being like "ah, i also was wagoned at the same time as wilgy at one point " when it's a very different situation

You realise Gav was also bringing up that I was the CW to Wilgy at one point right?

i think the way gav has looked at vote logic in this game has generally been questionable and i don't really agree with his assessment

You don’t agree that I think it could have been a W/W CW?

no i agree with that. i didn't like the way you had talked about the d1 votes wrt paopan (i still stand by this, i know paopan flipped town.)

i didn't specifically remember you making a point that CR and wilgy were competing wagons with each other as a point in CR's favor but CR said you had and i filed it with not liking your evaluation of paopan d1 as "i just disagree"

i said in the quoted post i don't think CR being a cw to wilgy d1 means anything. if that's your opinion then we agree

i'm here and reading and evaluating porscha so don't think much of where my vote currently is i'm deciding what to do with it

idk why i'm lamenting not having gotten a chance to reread porscha when like, i have over an hour before eod lmao i'll give it a shot now

and like. i don't expect it to weigh too hard on anyone's votes but again i'm such a better wolf player than just townreading my partner and then dipping from the thread without interacting with them. i'm not mad that i may get killed for interactions with wilgy but i have far better scum fundamentals than that in a mountainous game lmao

as of D3 my PoE felt like it had to be falcon/pao/MightyQ in some order because with vote logic and everything everyone else had better reasons to not be paired with wilgy but that always felt very dirty, because as i've expressed bussing exists and basically is the entire strength of a mafia team in mountainous games. it felt bad to just push the players who were townreading or didn't vote wilgy and call it a day, an like a generally losing strategy. the fact that MightyQ died (god bless, i would have never let this game end without flipping them) gives us (or, specifically me fmpov) a chance to evaluate the potential bussers and i can absolutely see falcon flipping town and really really want a chance to go to f3 and actually evaluate the players that have gotten free passes for days

but yes correct that we've only flipped one player since wilgy

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:42 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:40 pm If this game goes to a F3, what are the odds it's Porscha?

That's entirely possible.
We've been flipping towns after Wilgy.

Well, to be fair we've flipped town, singular, since Wilgy.



This is only D3

it's D4 the thread title just didn't get updated

i feel like everyone in this game since wilgy's flip has just been like "well there's no way the wolves would BUS in mountainous mafia!" and giving people like porscha locktown reads and that's exactly why people bus to begin with, SPECIFICALLY in mountainous where there isn't a PR to fuck them over in any way. if porscha is a wolf the wolves bussed extremely, extremely hard and aggressively but that's never been a world i completely dicounted. i found d3 porscha to have town demeanor but i also can easily see her being the one to kill MightyQ and then she hasn't been here doing much solving today while everyone else has been fighting with each other. if i am in a f3 with her i absolutely will give her long consideration

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:40 pm If this game goes to a F3, what are the odds it's Porscha?

entirely possible. the reason i say i'm more likely to find CR town than you is that i think you're likely somewhere in my 2 person poe no matter what and that if we kill you today and you flip town and f3 is me/CR/porscha then they both have the excuse that they bussed wilgy in some way at some point, and that's porscha's strongest argument so i look at her with much fresher eyes and evaluate her very carefully.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:37 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:34 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:33 pm Do you feel CR is pushing you from a town or a wolf perspective?

i find it somewhat scummy! but i think that overall you're more likely the last wolf. my current poe would be you then CR, but i intend to keep evaluating porscha (and also gav i guess i just don't think i vote gav) and i think i'm more likely to find CR town than you

Sounds like you've already made your mind up. I hope you appreciate the irony, given how upset you've been getting this RD over what you say is the same thing happening to you.

i find your push very frustrating, i'm not mad that you have me in your poe lol

i think that CR's day today has been the worst part of his game

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:33 pm Do you feel CR is pushing you from a town or a wolf perspective?

i find it somewhat scummy! but i think that overall you're more likely the last wolf. my current poe would be you then CR, but i intend to keep evaluating porscha (and also gav i guess i just don't think i vote gav) and i think i'm more likely to find CR town than you

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:23 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:57 pm i think reading everything i've posted and just being like "huh but your vote!" is just a bad look at the situation and again, not actually evaluating me just looking for ANYTHING you can push on and ignoring everything else

See, here's the thing: we have been evaluating you. Just because player's find you scummy doesn't mean they haven't, and frankly that just seems to be your defense: "if you find me scummy, then all you're doing is tunneling".



It's like you find no reason whatsoever to scum read you, like you think you're beyond reproach

i think that you specifically are either tunneled or a wolf. CR's push i don't like for different reasons. i think that you are reading things from me seeking things that confirm that i'm wolf and are disregarding explanations or other evidence

i think reading everything i've posted and just being like "huh but your vote!" is just a bad look at the situation and again, not actually evaluating me just looking for ANYTHING you can push on and ignoring everything else

my vote is on falcon because i hopped in the thread and put a vote on falcon and then started reading. and i'm trying to analyze everyone. i pushed on CR because i'm talking about how i haven't liked his posts today. i don't know who is scum and i don't really care who i'm voting currently when literally everyone else is voting for me.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:16 pm Ok which posts of yours have I misread? Unless I need glasses, I read them for what they were.

like. that one. the one we're talking about. i'm saying a town should be counting kills left and you weren't, and you said "how is counting kills wolfy?"

CR today (real life calendar today, not game today) has backed off a little and gone back to pushing that it's either me or falcon and he doesn't really care which. but i find the way he was extremely after me dying yesterday (real life yesterday, same game day phase) very offputting when it's all based off a case made by his top scum entering the day who he then sheeped a legacy townread on for a little bit and then stopped sheeping again i guess

CR's progression on falcon and me today:

starts the day with falcon/me PoE, has a brief moment of considering deeper wolves because of the nk, but settles back into that. (there are a bunch of posts where he says this stuff i don't feel the need to quote them)

CRichard wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:05 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:44 am @Gavial @Porscha @CRichard I'd like you 3 to go over what I've posted and see what you think

Ok I'll go through it once I'm not occupied by real life too much.

starts evaluating the falcon case on me, and before ever mentioning or quoting anything from those posts:

CRichard wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:47 pm Ngl Falcon might be town after all and I'm inclined to trust Mac's legacy that included them as town before death.

decides to sheep a several day old mac townread on his top scum for whatever reason

then starts pushing me as last wolf and falcon as town (this is before he's really addressed anything in falcon's case or really talked to falcon at all)

CRichard wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:05 pm BTW if MissC flip ends the game, I call dibs on saying I told you so and so does Mac.

CRichard wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:59 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:55 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:47 pm Ngl Falcon might be town after all and I'm inclined to trust Mac's legacy that included them as town before death.

Hmm.
Me no like.

Didn't you read what Falcon had to say about MissC?
I got the impression you liked it. Am I remembering it wrong?

CR ISOs wilgy and pushes a lot of similar things falcon has pushed, then this

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:17 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:16 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:48 am Now I can't rule out a world where MissC is a town and by a horribly unlucky coincidence happened to be thinking similarly to a wolf.
Hmmm

I'm waiting to see if MC can make as a compelling argument as falcon did before I cast harder judgment, but I'm townreading falcon atm

Ngl the longer MissC doesn't try to answer Falcon's case the more I'm willing to think we've got the game in the bag as town.

which i think is just a terrible post when CR already posted the same day about being busy IRL himself. i made over 100 posts d3 when i was well within the PoE, if i'm absent from the thread i'm fucking busy lmao. it feels like a gross way to push on me.
these posts just feel so out for blood. like, CR has not really pushed me in a significant way until falcon cases me on d4 and is now acting genuinely antagonistic towards me as soon as i enter the thread.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:55 am

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:47 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:46 am

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:45 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:44 am Yeah the night kill is really weird as I was expecting myself, Gav or Porscha to have died instead of MightyQ.

not trying to be rude (if i was rude before i do feel bad it's just a game) but please don't push me based on falcon's case a bunch as soon as i get here and then ignore when i respond to it lmao

I'm not ignoring it, I'm simply giving you space to address Falcon's case.

what didn't i address? he says i didn't want to kill wilgy (true, we talked about it a lot yesterday!) and says out porscha reads lining up was fake (a lie)

if there's something else to the case genuinely enlighten me because that's all i see

You tell me, because if you're town then eliminating you would mean we get to F3.

this post is genuinely like. so bad. just like. bad. i made several posts refuting things falcon had said, then CR just says he's not talking to me because he's giving me space to respond to falcon. i say i thought i responded to everything of consequence and if he wants me to talk about more stuff bring it up and i will and CR's response is "well you tell me!"

like. i'm SAYING that if you want me to talk about more stuff i will and you are just not even asking me questions or saying anything actually productive to me and want me to believe you're evaluating me and not just trying to get me killed.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:12 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:10 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:04 am Right so Gav, myself and Porscha were the voters who ensure that Wilgy died and flipped mafia, if we don't end the game after flipping MissC or Falcon then I would think there's a possible deep wolf in Gav/Porscha, yet that's a bridge I hope to never need cross.

CRichard wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:09 am Which means that barring deep wolves, we have a PoE of MissC and Falcon and flipping these two should end the game.

i don't know if like, literally not having even counted how many MLs we have is a good look. like as town you never ask yourself "how many kills do we have before the game ends?" while you're evaluating?

Why wouldn't it make sense for town to count how many eliminations are left?
Your logic in trying to paint me as mafia from that is reachy.

please just like. read my posts slower or something you have misread so many things i've said today. i'm saying that it's a bad look because you're evaluating a third possible kill when we don't have one. that if you had counted how many kills we had at all you'd know you don't get to evaluate people after you vote off me and falcon

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:09 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:15 pm Falcon making the big brain play paranoia alert.

Please I hope that we can end this game now.

you're voting me not falcon lmao

CRichard wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:04 am Right so Gav, myself and Porscha were the voters who ensure that Wilgy died and flipped mafia, if we don't end the game after flipping MissC or Falcon then I would think there's a possible deep wolf in Gav/Porscha, yet that's a bridge I hope to never need cross.

CRichard wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:09 am Which means that barring deep wolves, we have a PoE of MissC and Falcon and flipping these two should end the game.

i don't know if like, literally not having even counted how many MLs we have is a good look. like as town you never ask yourself "how many kills do we have before the game ends?" while you're evaluating?

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:08 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:06 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:09 pm BTW I was the counter wagon to Wilgy, so unless you think it was w/w wagons D1 then I'm cleared from being Wilgy's partner.

i still think the logic of this post is extremely bad. there's absolutely nothing that says two wolves can't be in 3 wagons on d1. especially when a town wagon of the 3 got pushed over by a wolf switching their vote. like it smells vaguely of CR seeing people clear porscha for being the cw on d2 and being like "ah, i also was wagoned at the same time as wilgy at one point " when it's a very different situation

You realise Gav was also bringing up that I was the CW to Wilgy at one point right?

i think the way gav has looked at vote logic in this game has generally been questionable and i don't really agree with his assessment

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:04 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:03 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:05 pm Not to victim blame, yet they were insanely wolfy.

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:06 pm My good why did he have to be so wolfy?

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:07 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:04 pm So we gonna continue to throw or we gonna vote Falcon?

I'll accept responsibility for this, their vote history was too atrocious to see past in my moment of weakness.

don't really like the way CR kind of absolves himself of the pao ML, like "oh noooo they were just so wolfy we had to kill them " like, i obviously can understand the thoughts coming from a town. i more or less agree that i don't think i would ever let pao live this entire game, but i don't like spending several posts kind of pushing blame for the kill onto paopan and off of the people who voted for them. (i know CR says "I'll accept responsibility" in a quoted post but he immediately blames vote logic for it in the same sentence)

Except I wasn't saying I had no part in the Pao ML. It's more that I stand by that they were insanely wolfy from their voting history.

i'm saying that your posts are absolving the voters of having had the choice. i more or less AGREE that pao should have been killed, i voted and pushed them. but i don't like immediately after the kill just like, absolving the voters of having had a choice in the matter.

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:09 pm BTW I was the counter wagon to Wilgy, so unless you think it was w/w wagons D1 then I'm cleared from being Wilgy's partner.

i still think the logic of this post is extremely bad. there's absolutely nothing that says two wolves can't be in 3 wagons on d1. especially when a town wagon of the 3 got pushed over by a wolf switching their vote. like it smells vaguely of CR seeing people clear porscha for being the cw on d2 and being like "ah, i also was wagoned at the same time as wilgy at one point " when it's a very different situation

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:05 pm Not to victim blame, yet they were insanely wolfy.

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:06 pm My good why did he have to be so wolfy?

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:07 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:04 pm So we gonna continue to throw or we gonna vote Falcon?

I'll accept responsibility for this, their vote history was too atrocious to see past in my moment of weakness.

don't really like the way CR kind of absolves himself of the pao ML, like "oh noooo they were just so wolfy we had to kill them " like, i obviously can understand the thoughts coming from a town. i more or less agree that i don't think i would ever let pao live this entire game, but i don't like spending several posts kind of pushing blame for the kill onto paopan and off of the people who voted for them. (i know CR says "I'll accept responsibility" in a quoted post but he immediately blames vote logic for it in the same sentence)

i still don't know why falcon makes the night kill and that's my biggest reservation with killing him today, but i also don't like nk's stopping me from doing something lol.

yesterday i townread him mostly for AtE in interactions with gav, he was getting angry and frustrated with the way gav was pushing him in a way that i thought wasn't faked.

without pao and MightyQ though, AtE is not enough to keep falcon out of my PoE when i don't think the rest of his game is as towny as everyone else's.

i'm still not dead set on him though. i really just don't think i'm going to have a strong scumread today. i think CR's posting this day phase has been uuuuuuh not very good. and i can see porscha having made the nk. so i'll look at both of them before eod

falcon on me d2:
pushes me (for the same reasons as today mind you)

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:11 am

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:49 am honestly falcon today just feels like bleeding heart town. i know if he's scum in this position he needs to try to be as towny as he possibly can to try and pull this out so i may just be giving him an incorrect townread based on that effort but i'm just not voting him today. there's absolutely no way he deserves to die before pao or mightyQ. if i get to a f3 with falcon i'll cross that bridge then

Pocket accepted.


Given some other reads on my slot, I think if MissC were scum it would be easy to start pressuring me at this point.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:57 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:29 am So MissC, I'm sure there's a wolf in you/Paopan.
If you're the villager, you're going to have to help me see the light so we can end this game preferably today.

I feel MissC is town here.

flips on me after i make it clear i don't want to vote him. pushes pao instead

then jumps into today immediately pushing me again for the same posts, now 100% dead set on me and not evaluating anyone else. as if yesterday i stopped being the best target when i was defending him and then became the easiest kill again today with pao gone

falcon d2 puts wilgy in town, then later flips and votes him, pushing him lightly, then switches to pao and pushes pao pretty hard (i don't wanna quote stuff because it's a lot of posts but it's just d2 in falcon's ISO if you want it)

falcon's d1 progression on wilgy:

calls wilgy sus but votes gav as policy

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:36 am [VOTE: Gav] aubergine



I don't care if he's Maf or not, he's actually more in his town range.


If he's left alive, he'll cause more harm than good.




Wilgy lookin very sus rn

"why did you vote sig?"

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:50 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:39 pm Alrighty, caught up.

Sig vote at last second was absolutely disgusting and Gav has been TMI'ing me for the past 9 pages.

Mac's read is bad but I'm not sure if it's coming from a wolf mindset.

Town:
MC
LC
Falcon

PoE:
Porscha
Pao
MightyQ
Gav/Mac

This list lines up with my own pretty closely.



Why did you vote Sig?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:59 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:51 pm Save myself out of a tie.

Fair.



Gav, MightyQ, Pao is a good POE for this RD

is satisfied with "self pres" and now townreads wilgy.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:09 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:54 am Would anyone here categorize the way I interact w/ anyone, let alone Gav, as "a lot in very soft ways"?

A lot in very soft ways is basically saying you aren’t providing much content towards them but you are speaking allot with them or about them kinda thing.

this isn't even something that i ever intended to say about falcon and it's not a read i have expressed on falcon. see above posts

like falcon you can understand my frustration with your push when i accidentally post something that doesn't make sense because i wasn't proofreading, IMMEDIATELY quote it and say "oops that was a mistake" and then you just quote the original post to push on me like "hey this post doesn't make sense" because you're skipping over everything that doesn't confirm your push

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:51 am

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:11 am alright falcon's game first.

falcon starts off the game making some pretty bad posts. like his early d1 was not good.

Spoiler: show

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:48 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:41 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:32 am The one thing I find noteworthy is that Gav/Mac cross voting each other doesn't give w/w vibes.
Their arguing earlier felt too hostile for those two to both be bad guys.
Yeah it's hardly revolutionary, yet it's there.

Arguing wasn’t that hostile?
It was just me telling Mac their can only be room for the one of us and so I voted him.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:50 am Howdy! I'm town 'errybody



CR, Gav giving me wolf vibes

I can understand CRichard due to the above post, what exactly makes me give off wolf vibes?
Also, what’s your opinion on Mac? Do you share no opinion on him? Do you town lean him?

Why are you so concerned about mac?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:13 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:35 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:48 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:41 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:32 am The one thing I find noteworthy is that Gav/Mac cross voting each other doesn't give w/w vibes.
Their arguing earlier felt too hostile for those two to both be bad guys.
Yeah it's hardly revolutionary, yet it's there.

Arguing wasn’t that hostile?
It was just me telling Mac their can only be room for the one of us and so I voted him.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:50 am Howdy! I'm town 'errybody



CR, Gav giving me wolf vibes

I can understand CRichard due to the above post, what exactly makes me give off wolf vibes?
Also, what’s your opinion on Mac? Do you share no opinion on him? Do you town lean him?

Why are you so concerned about mac?

Because we both are loud and if he’s wolf that’s not good.

Interesting

[VOTE: Gav] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:31 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:37 pm I feel like if you genuinely got wolf vibes from me you’d be voting me.


Or CRichard since you also stated you got wolf vibes from him as well.

This implies my wolf vibes aren't genuine.



Which would mean I'm a wolf.



But no vote from Gav.



So there's that

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:12 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:50 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:31 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:37 pm I feel like if you genuinely got wolf vibes from me you’d be voting me.


Or CRichard since you also stated you got wolf vibes from him as well.

This implies my wolf vibes aren't genuine.



Which would mean I'm a wolf.



But no vote from Gav.



So there's that

Not directly calling you scum, I’m just saying generally when you say someone gives off wolf vibes it usually warrants a vote or at least some kind of pressure/discussion.
You didn’t do that so I wanted to pressure you to do that so we can advance threadstate.
I’m not too certain if your scum or not but I don’t want Wolf!Mac to lead the Thread so I either need to figure out his alignment and if I can’t or determine his alignment is wolf, I vote to eliminate him.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:13 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:35 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:48 pm

Why are you so concerned about mac?

Because we both are loud and if he’s wolf that’s not good.

Interesting

[VOTE: Gav] aubergine

About time you voted.
Although I can’t tell if your voting me due to me pressuring you or not.

Question Falcon, What about CRichard in your own words don’t you like and what gives you wolf vibes about them?

Awkward, forced entrance from CR


You're a bit hedgey on my slot I see.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:54 pm I'm not elaborating my read on CR. It is what it is.

I find it interesting Gav seems to be assuming CR is town. I'm really only seeing Gav push Mac, who he started pushing right out the gate.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:54 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:47 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:33 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:18 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:54 pm I'm not elaborating my read on CR. It is what it is.

I find it interesting Gav seems to be assuming CR is town. I'm really only seeing Gav push Mac, who he started pushing right out the gate.

When did I ever say I TR CR? Lmao.

Well, you're scum reading Mac, and watching his read progression on CR. You're asking me to detail my read in CR...all the while not pushing a read of your own.

You push your scum reads, hard, every game. If you're not pushing CR, and you're not, it's fair to assume you're not SR him.


So what is your take?

Null.

When was the last time you had a one word post?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:56 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:55 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:54 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:47 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:33 pm

Well, you're scum reading Mac, and watching his read progression on CR. You're asking me to detail my read in CR...all the while not pushing a read of your own.

You push your scum reads, hard, every game. If you're not pushing CR, and you're not, it's fair to assume you're not SR him.


So what is your take?

Null.

When was the last time you had a one word post?

I don’t know, is their a problem with it?

No, but it's abnormal for you

like this is just a bad push and they're not very good interactions. i didn't like it at the time, though Lime Coke said falcon is kind of just a naturally scummy player.

he then interacts with you a lot in very soft ways. he reverses his scumread and reads you like a town. sometimes he quotes a post of yours and just kind of points out you made a good read, which is kind of propping you up a bit. which can kinda be read as either pockety or partnery

i think i lean more towards the posts being non-partnered than partnered. but if i look past the one post i like i CAN see the rest coming from a parter

Why is this the same as your other post re: CR & Wilgy?

i'm not mad at you because obviously it's my fault but i accidentally was working on two posts and typed two paragraphs meant for CR in a post i had started writing about you and didn't proofread

(i said this immediately after that post)

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:49 am

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:14 am @CRichard how i think wilgy treated your slot:

this post:

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:41 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:38 pm sig is a fucking insane kill here. i'm not voting gavial or mac today because i'm not knocking out the most active players on d1 of a mountainous game. CR almost qualifies for this even though i scumlean him because he is participating in the thread and is helpful for us if town, but i'm still fine killing him today.

killing sig makes no god damn sense. cool, 20% chance we hit a wolf with a completely blind shot. if we hit a town we literally gain the least information possible and we just lose a kill for no reason. it's a complete unforced error. killing sig is a completely -ev play

I see... Well CR pinged me earlier. I'll entertain that.

[VOTE: CR] aubergine

is not a partnery post imo, because he's being tentative and trying to make it clear he's following my vote. that doesn't quite give him full credit for voting his partner, and it helps him set up blaming me should you flip town later. i think that's the best looking post for you.

he then interacts with you a lot in very soft ways. he reverses his scumread and reads you like a town. sometimes he quotes a post of yours and just kind of points out you made a good read, which is kind of propping you up a bit. which can kinda be read as either pockety or partnery

i think i lean more towards the posts being non-partnered than partnered. but if i look past the one post i like i CAN see the rest coming from a parter

Wait, but I thought Wilgy had the progression on CR that you liked, now you say Wilgy is following you?


The 2nd bit...do you feel having soft interactions is a positive way to progress on a player? I bet you don't, cuz I think you just said the same thing about me in a negative context

first bold: he follows my vote d1 because he's scumreading CR, which is the same thing i'm thinking! then the next day he townreads CR after having scumread him, which was the same thing i was thinking! that sounds like the same progression!

second bold: i'm saying it as more of a negative thing in the post you're quoting. like. just read the fucking post. i said that there were lots of soft interactions from wilgy to CR which may be partnery. you're not reading the posts you're pushing

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:39 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:24 pm Trying to wrap my head around @Porscha at 630-633.

I've read it like 3 times.

Are we just saying that Mac is town here?

MissC is framing this post as Wilgy disliking Porscha here. In fact, she states it twice.



This post doesn't look like Wilgy dislikes Pors IMO, if anything it looks as tho Wilgy is confused by Pors posts.



Wilgy later does bring this post up again as part of his Pors push, at the time of the original post tho I don't think it looks like Wilgy is scumreading Pors, rather that he's confused by her posts.

so the post where he quotes the same series of posts i didn't like and clearly doesn't like them isn't actually our thoughts lining up because uuuuuuh you said so and there can't be any contrary evidence to me being a wolf, no not one bit.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:43 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:45 am

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:51 pm [b]i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking[/b], which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote

This post still sticks out to me.



After Wilgy flips, MissC really steps up her game.

That's a key bit here. It's not just one, or two, or three...but a lot of posts that Wilgy makes.


MissC then quotes just the 1 post of Wilgy re: Pors that's prior to this post that lines up with her thinking.

i said several posts wilgy made, which i have talked about for the last two days every single time i've been prompted over it again and again. one of those posts being a post where our porscha reads line up. and you're sitting here like "hmmmm but there was only ONE post about porscha" because you're willfully interpreting everything i say incorrectly because you want to push me

it's so fucking disingenuous

falcon your posts on me are so fucking disingenuous they're fine if you're wolf but if you're a town you need think about how mad you were about tunneling yesterday and how you're stuck in a completely self-sustaining tunnel where pushing me is more important than actually analyzing me

oh also i HATE "i wouldn't have made this nk lol" posts, they're always bad, and they're always just people jerking themselves off because we all already know night kills are wifom so there's no point in trying to defend yourself based on them

but the consensus poe yesterday was a mix of me/falcon/MQ and my biggest push was MQ (i think i was even voting them over my cw when i was the top wagon) and killing them in the night would be braindead stupid

i don't expect anyone to give me town points for that because night kill analysis this late in a game is generally stupid but i do just feel the need to say it

i might just sleep on reading ISOs and figuring out who i think the last wolf is

(being able to defend yourself with little effort because you know you're town but having to think harder about pushing people where there's imperfect information is towny btw)

(i'm town)

(i'm drunk)

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:15 am

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:14 am @CRichard how i think wilgy treated your slot:

this post:

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:41 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:38 pm sig is a fucking insane kill here. i'm not voting gavial or mac today because i'm not knocking out the most active players on d1 of a mountainous game. CR almost qualifies for this even though i scumlean him because he is participating in the thread and is helpful for us if town, but i'm still fine killing him today.

killing sig makes no god damn sense. cool, 20% chance we hit a wolf with a completely blind shot. if we hit a town we literally gain the least information possible and we just lose a kill for no reason. it's a complete unforced error. killing sig is a completely -ev play

I see... Well CR pinged me earlier. I'll entertain that.

[VOTE: CR] aubergine

is not a partnery post imo, because he's being tentative and trying to make it clear he's following my vote. that doesn't quite give him full credit for voting his partner, and it helps him set up blaming me should you flip town later. i think that's the best looking post for you.

he then interacts with you a lot in very soft ways. he reverses his scumread and reads you like a town. sometimes he quotes a post of yours and just kind of points out you made a good read, which is kind of propping you up a bit. which can kinda be read as either pockety or partnery

i think i lean more towards the posts being non-partnered than partnered. but if i look past the one post i like i CAN see the rest coming from a parter

Indeed I have mentioned Dr Wilgy voting me and I have to wonder what they were doing if you're town.
Sheeping you and trying to make you look bad? Hmmm.

well "what [wilgy's] doing if [i'm] town" is fairly straightforward imo

the point of the game as a wolf is to try to get towns killed without making it obvious that's your goal

i think that wilgy post is pretty clearly trying to say "i am sheeping your read" and i think that's much more likely something you do to connect yourself with a town than something you do with your partner.

a lot of the way we as a group have played this game is on pure vote logic. gav HARD townread paopan because he thought it was impossible for both wolves to be on the sig vote d1. but me and wilgy were on the CR vote together d1, he just left it to self pres later. does that not follow the same logic of something wolves would avoid connecting themselves with?

i'm drunk and the UI of syndicate fucks with me so much lmao

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:14 am @CRichard how i think wilgy treated your slot:

this post:

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:41 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:38 pm sig is a fucking insane kill here. i'm not voting gavial or mac today because i'm not knocking out the most active players on d1 of a mountainous game. CR almost qualifies for this even though i scumlean him because he is participating in the thread and is helpful for us if town, but i'm still fine killing him today.

killing sig makes no god damn sense. cool, 20% chance we hit a wolf with a completely blind shot. if we hit a town we literally gain the least information possible and we just lose a kill for no reason. it's a complete unforced error. killing sig is a completely -ev play

I see... Well CR pinged me earlier. I'll entertain that.

[VOTE: CR] aubergine

is not a partnery post imo, because he's being tentative and trying to make it clear he's following my vote. that doesn't quite give him full credit for voting his partner, and it helps him set up blaming me should you flip town later. i think that's the best looking post for you.

he then interacts with you a lot in very soft ways. he reverses his scumread and reads you like a town. sometimes he quotes a post of yours and just kind of points out you made a good read, which is kind of propping you up a bit. which can kinda be read as either pockety or partnery

i think i lean more towards the posts being non-partnered than partnered. but if i look past the one post i like i CAN see the rest coming from a parter

this is what i was trying to post

@CRichard how i think wilgy treated your slot:

this post:
is not a partnery post imo, because he's being tentative and trying to make it clear he's following my vote. that doesn't quite give him full credit for voting his partner, and it helps him set up blaming me should you flip town later. i think that's the best looking post for you.

he then interacts with you a lot in very soft ways. he reverses his scumread and reads you like a town. sometimes he quotes a post of yours and just kind of points out you made a good read, which is kind of propping you up a bit. which can kinda be read as either pockety or partnery

i think i lean more towards the posts being non-partnered than partnered. but if i look past the one post i like i CAN see the rest coming from a parter

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:11 am alright falcon's game first.

falcon starts off the game making some pretty bad posts. like his early d1 was not good.

Spoiler: show

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:48 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:41 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:32 am The one thing I find noteworthy is that Gav/Mac cross voting each other doesn't give w/w vibes.
Their arguing earlier felt too hostile for those two to both be bad guys.
Yeah it's hardly revolutionary, yet it's there.

Arguing wasn’t that hostile?
It was just me telling Mac their can only be room for the one of us and so I voted him.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:50 am Howdy! I'm town 'errybody



CR, Gav giving me wolf vibes

I can understand CRichard due to the above post, what exactly makes me give off wolf vibes?
Also, what’s your opinion on Mac? Do you share no opinion on him? Do you town lean him?

Why are you so concerned about mac?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:13 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:35 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:48 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:41 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:32 am The one thing I find noteworthy is that Gav/Mac cross voting each other doesn't give w/w vibes.
Their arguing earlier felt too hostile for those two to both be bad guys.
Yeah it's hardly revolutionary, yet it's there.

Arguing wasn’t that hostile?
It was just me telling Mac their can only be room for the one of us and so I voted him.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:50 am Howdy! I'm town 'errybody



CR, Gav giving me wolf vibes

I can understand CRichard due to the above post, what exactly makes me give off wolf vibes?
Also, what’s your opinion on Mac? Do you share no opinion on him? Do you town lean him?

Why are you so concerned about mac?

Because we both are loud and if he’s wolf that’s not good.

Interesting

[VOTE: Gav] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:31 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:37 pm I feel like if you genuinely got wolf vibes from me you’d be voting me.


Or CRichard since you also stated you got wolf vibes from him as well.

This implies my wolf vibes aren't genuine.



Which would mean I'm a wolf.



But no vote from Gav.



So there's that

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:12 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:50 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:31 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:37 pm I feel like if you genuinely got wolf vibes from me you’d be voting me.


Or CRichard since you also stated you got wolf vibes from him as well.

This implies my wolf vibes aren't genuine.



Which would mean I'm a wolf.



But no vote from Gav.



So there's that

Not directly calling you scum, I’m just saying generally when you say someone gives off wolf vibes it usually warrants a vote or at least some kind of pressure/discussion.
You didn’t do that so I wanted to pressure you to do that so we can advance threadstate.
I’m not too certain if your scum or not but I don’t want Wolf!Mac to lead the Thread so I either need to figure out his alignment and if I can’t or determine his alignment is wolf, I vote to eliminate him.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:13 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:35 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:48 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:41 pm

Arguing wasn’t that hostile?
It was just me telling Mac their can only be room for the one of us and so I voted him.



I can understand CRichard due to the above post, what exactly makes me give off wolf vibes?
Also, what’s your opinion on Mac? Do you share no opinion on him? Do you town lean him?

Why are you so concerned about mac?

Because we both are loud and if he’s wolf that’s not good.

Interesting

[VOTE: Gav] aubergine

About time you voted.
Although I can’t tell if your voting me due to me pressuring you or not.

Question Falcon, What about CRichard in your own words don’t you like and what gives you wolf vibes about them?

Awkward, forced entrance from CR


You're a bit hedgey on my slot I see.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:54 pm I'm not elaborating my read on CR. It is what it is.

I find it interesting Gav seems to be assuming CR is town. I'm really only seeing Gav push Mac, who he started pushing right out the gate.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:54 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:47 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:33 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:18 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:54 pm I'm not elaborating my read on CR. It is what it is.

I find it interesting Gav seems to be assuming CR is town. I'm really only seeing Gav push Mac, who he started pushing right out the gate.

When did I ever say I TR CR? Lmao.

Well, you're scum reading Mac, and watching his read progression on CR. You're asking me to detail my read in CR...all the while not pushing a read of your own.

You push your scum reads, hard, every game. If you're not pushing CR, and you're not, it's fair to assume you're not SR him.


So what is your take?

Null.

When was the last time you had a one word post?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:56 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:55 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:54 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:47 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:33 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:18 pm

When did I ever say I TR CR? Lmao.

Well, you're scum reading Mac, and watching his read progression on CR. You're asking me to detail my read in CR...all the while not pushing a read of your own.

You push your scum reads, hard, every game. If you're not pushing CR, and you're not, it's fair to assume you're not SR him.


So what is your take?

Null.

When was the last time you had a one word post?

I don’t know, is their a problem with it?

No, but it's abnormal for you

like this is just a bad push and they're not very good interactions. i didn't like it at the time, though Lime Coke said falcon is kind of just a naturally scummy player.

he then interacts with you a lot in very soft ways. he reverses his scumread and reads you like a town. sometimes he quotes a post of yours and just kind of points out you made a good read, which is kind of propping you up a bit. which can kinda be read as either pockety or partnery

i think i lean more towards the posts being non-partnered than partnered. but if i look past the one post i like i CAN see the rest coming from a parter

lol uh. ignore this post. i had a draft of a post pushing falcon and a draft of a post responding to CR asking about wilgy's read of him and then i was typing on the wrong one

alright falcon's game first.

falcon starts off the game making some pretty bad posts. like his early d1 was not good.
like this is just a bad push and they're not very good interactions. i didn't like it at the time, though Lime Coke said falcon is kind of just a naturally scummy player.

he then interacts with you a lot in very soft ways. he reverses his scumread and reads you like a town. sometimes he quotes a post of yours and just kind of points out you made a good read, which is kind of propping you up a bit. which can kinda be read as either pockety or partnery

i think i lean more towards the posts being non-partnered than partnered. but if i look past the one post i like i CAN see the rest coming from a parter

we are both online i am right here and happy to talk to you ask me questions if you want me to answer them lol

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:55 am

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:47 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:46 am

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:45 am

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:44 am Yeah the night kill is really weird as I was expecting myself, Gav or Porscha to have died instead of MightyQ.

not trying to be rude (if i was rude before i do feel bad it's just a game) but please don't push me based on falcon's case a bunch as soon as i get here and then ignore when i respond to it lmao

I'm not ignoring it, I'm simply giving you space to address Falcon's case.

what didn't i address? he says i didn't want to kill wilgy (true, we talked about it a lot yesterday!) and says out porscha reads lining up was fake (a lie)

if there's something else to the case genuinely enlighten me because that's all i see

You tell me, because if you're town then eliminating you would mean we get to F3.

???

i'm like. not trying to be obtuse or anything i'm just having a lot of trouble communicating with you lmao.

i think i addressed everything of relevance in falcon's case. you said i didn't address it. i asked you what else there was, and you say "you tell me"

like.

i straight up don't get what you're communicating with me and i'm not trying to be difficult lol