If DZ is a wolf after the Vivax tomfoolery, I'll eat my shoe.
Like I think there's one scenario where this is wrong and we'll evaluate that when we get there
If DZ is a wolf after the Vivax tomfoolery, I'll eat my shoe.
I would be interested in your analysis of the falcon wagon and why it reemerged + won.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:33 pm Man, I keep trying to read the past 6 pages to see what happened leading up to the Falcon yeet. Can't focus for shit today though.
Nut being modkilled and the Falcon yeet got me pretty discouraged tbh.
What's the current VC and discussion?
Why the hell is Falcon gone when we have both Schia and Pyxxy still? Hell, even Nook still being around is frightening.
i thought it was more unlikely yesterday but i’m not so sure anymore
Mich T/PCMichelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:59 am @Porscha
@Schiavetto
@Michelle
@DeeZees
@Hally
@Neon
@ilario
@Jackofhearts2005
@DrWilgy
@Manny
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Inawordyes
@pyxxy
@Ricochet
This is the raw list above. And below my first GTH attempt to sort. I am going to read Vivax' Iso and share thoughts and I need everyone in the village or NPC villa hearted to help town toDay.
Pinged myself to find the post in alerts and I am aware I pinged the wolves as well, but if anyone has a chance to clear themselves, toDay is the momenr to do so. Please ping me with your solve
Mich
Wilgy
Hally
Illario
Jack
DZ
Lumi
Pyxxy
Iawy
Nook
Porscha
Neon
Ricochet
Schia
[VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine this is literally one of like 4 that should've been yeeted yesterday.Lumi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:55 pm@HallyLumi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:51 pm Ya, not much more info to be gained
I think the useful info is:
These players are basically mech confirmed players (there are some scenarios in which they're not, but those are really weird scenarios, so...)
Michelle
Wilgy
Neon
Porscah
The list of NPCs:
LumI
Manny
One or more of DZ / pyxxy
Exactly one of Jack/Ilario
At MOST a single NPC on this list:
Hally
Schia
Ricochet
Nook
IAWY
I think its time to murderize schia
@Michelle
@pyxxy
@DrWilgy
@Porscha
@Neon
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Inawordyes
@ilario
@Jackofhearts2005
@DeeZees
@pyxxy
Town has the incorrect parity 7v3 - Town needs to sleep to get to 6v3 at some point anyway.
Schia absolutely never is going to be allowed to live after a purge, and so right now is the time to chop it - if you hit an NPC, great, you're on correct parity. If you hit a town, well you were going to hit that town eventually anyway. If you hit a wolf, perfect.
Vote Schia today or I will shame you after the game for being bad B)
I mean. I think it's a solid pursuit.Hally wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:46 pmi thought it was more unlikely yesterday but i’m not so sure anymore
mostly cuz bussing and distancing unnecessarily is very much in dz’s wolf range
and also their interactions with each other are just sooo over the top and out of nowhere
neither of them have that kind of interaction with anyone else, it goes from 0 to 60 so fast, and then the next days it seems like they don’t even really talk about each other anymore
it’s weird enough that imo it’s possible they were like “let’s have a big fight itt to seem not w/w”
wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened
but i’m open to other ideas, i just wanted to pressure someone other than neon tbh
dunno, i was waiting to see what she’d do today but so far nothing reallyDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:50 pmI mean. I think it's a solid pursuit.Hally wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:46 pmi thought it was more unlikely yesterday but i’m not so sure anymore
mostly cuz bussing and distancing unnecessarily is very much in dz’s wolf range
and also their interactions with each other are just sooo over the top and out of nowhere
neither of them have that kind of interaction with anyone else, it goes from 0 to 60 so fast, and then the next days it seems like they don’t even really talk about each other anymore
it’s weird enough that imo it’s possible they were like “let’s have a big fight itt to seem not w/w”
wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened
but i’m open to other ideas, i just wanted to pressure someone other than neon tbh
How did you feel on Porscha after the debacle?
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:07 amI don't hate this list. Don't understand how Dizzy dying clears rico for you.santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:10 am Players
DrWilg > Town
Enderwiggin > Town
Lilypetal > Leaning Scum
Michelle > Town
Nanook > Town
Neon > Null Leaning Scum
Nutella > Town
Porscha > Town
Santygrass > Town
Player-ish vibes
Falconc45a > Null
Seanzie > Town unless cc'ed
Vivax > Leaning Scum
Npc-ish vibes
Hally > Towny
Ilario > Null leaning scum
Inawy > Null
Jack > Null leaning scum
Pyxxy > Null leaning scum
Ricochet > Probably cleared by Dizzy kill methinks
Sprityo > Null
Should be NPC
DeZees > Scum if not NPC
Lumi > Town if not NPC tbh
Manny > Scum if not NPC
Schiavetto > SCUM if not NPC
Silverkeith > Null with Skill Issue
I dont know if I forgot anyone , hopefully not. Feel free to ask for a read on a player which is not 'null' . I think I have most of my reads kinds explained but I know people wont read my ISO and Im lazy and dont want to explain every read
Here's the one you requested from me anyways, for the protocol. I'm feeling generous today.
Spoiler: showMichelle's drop in kinda hasty, same for Ender. Low WIM drive-bys. Can relate perhaps. Mentioned earlier that I didn't like some of her posts. Ender I'll just townpile today.Spoiler: show
Neon probs just trolling NPC at this point, but if she turns out to be a remaining player later I'd consider slaying. Seems improbable with how much ballsiness is required to pull that off though.
Would like to know what Porscha thinks about the yeet options while she screams in terror at the townreads thrown her way. The joys of being polarized eh ?
Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:58 am I'm autopiloting on Schia for that EoD. Don't see a reason to deviate and he didn't show up either to do anything about it.
Today head empty no thoughts, otherwise. Appreciate that this game even exists and I'm in it but am hardly in the shape to play for a couple of raisins.
Acceptable vibes so far. Porscha locktown.
it’s light but the bolded stuff seems like he’s taking it for granted that she’s a villager and others will see thatVivax wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:02 pmWise. I almost did it then changed my mind when I read the ToS.
I‘m not going to vote Santy. Prefer defying whatever it looks like I‘m supposed to do at this point in time.
Always down to sheep Jack or Porscha I suppose.
that’s what it looks like but again, it’s thin and i don’t really put much stock into spew reads in the first place
@Hally Hi yes hello
Lowkey curious about this as well
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:11 amhonestly at this point i’m wondering if we should kill schia because if the standing player claims are all true there could be multiple wolves in here:
Lumi
Manny
pyxxy
Schia
Ricochet
Nanook
which would explain why they’re so hard to find
maybe we do need to let the purge clear all the NPC’s out and then kill the remainder
not sure what’s hard to follow? nanook rescinded his player claim so we’re now missing 2 players who haven’t claimed, which increases the odds schia is a wolf and makes hunting for active wolves less important cuz there’s probably one at mostHally wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:35 am ftr i didn’t actually care THAT much about opposing a schia lunch today when i was arguing with lumi earlier
i just know from experience that when the lunch is set so early in the day everyone always kinda mails it in and it makes the day much less valuable for solving
keeping the pressure on the active wolves by having the threat of the lunch hanging over them is important, and we could always have opted for schia as a last resort if we didn’t feel good about anything at the end
but that only really matters if there’s active wolves in the player claims to pressure, and with nook rescinding his player claim it seems like there may only be one at most in the player claims with the rest hiding in the NPCs, so it’s not as important
i would still like to not just spend the day waiting for the purge but it’s definitely more tempting now lol
@DrWilgy I think I posted this right when you left the thread so here's a tag for when you have time againpyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:42 pmI would be interested in your analysis of the falcon wagon and why it reemerged + won.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:33 pm Man, I keep trying to read the past 6 pages to see what happened leading up to the Falcon yeet. Can't focus for shit today though.
Nut being modkilled and the Falcon yeet got me pretty discouraged tbh.
What's the current VC and discussion?
Why the hell is Falcon gone when we have both Schia and Pyxxy still? Hell, even Nook still being around is frightening.
Ex: do you think it was scum motivated or just town mistakes? Do you think there's scum on the wagon?
I remember those posts, but they were interspersed during the “I don’t want to chop Schia” period, so I didn’t cannot them with the vote in the nowHally wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:10 pm @Inawordyes i explained here
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:11 amhonestly at this point i’m wondering if we should kill schia because if the standing player claims are all true there could be multiple wolves in here:
Lumi
Manny
pyxxy
Schia
Ricochet
Nanook
which would explain why they’re so hard to find
maybe we do need to let the purge clear all the NPC’s out and then kill the remaindernot sure what’s hard to follow? nanook rescinded his player claim so we’re now missing 2 players who haven’t claimed, which increases the odds schia is a wolf and makes hunting for active wolves less important cuz there’s probably one at mostHally wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:35 am ftr i didn’t actually care THAT much about opposing a schia lunch today when i was arguing with lumi earlier
i just know from experience that when the lunch is set so early in the day everyone always kinda mails it in and it makes the day much less valuable for solving
keeping the pressure on the active wolves by having the threat of the lunch hanging over them is important, and we could always have opted for schia as a last resort if we didn’t feel good about anything at the end
but that only really matters if there’s active wolves in the player claims to pressure, and with nook rescinding his player claim it seems like there may only be one at most in the player claims with the rest hiding in the NPCs, so it’s not as important
i would still like to not just spend the day waiting for the purge but it’s definitely more tempting now lol
Nah fam the impetus is on you to actually have an open mind and frankly nobody does and nothing I do will be good enough.Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:59 amThis quote here I think is a good example of the issues I have with Neon. The impetus is not on us to ‘let you show us your town’, that falls entirely upon you. The more you defend yourself instead of moving past it - and then blaming everybody else for you getting defensive as if it’s our fault that you’re staying in that space - the longer you delay this supposed revelation, which only causes people to scumread you harder and assumedly you also get even more defensiveNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:15 amI'm not gonna lay over and die because my misexe is game losing.
And if you are all so blinded by my activity and can't look at my play and let me show you my town than that's on you not me.
Town has been wrong on people who were not participating being woofs *coughfalconcough* so like maybe work with me.
No, Mafia is an “everybody is guilty until proven innocent” game, and the only way you’re proven innocent is when you’re dead, mechanically confirmed, or the game ends. Everybody is a suspect, everybody gets pushed and poked and prodded, and everybody has to pull their own weight or they’re going to get more sus, more pushes, more pokes, and more prodsNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:46 pmNah fam the impetus is on you to actually have an open mind and frankly nobody does and nothing I do will be good enough.Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:59 amThis quote here I think is a good example of the issues I have with Neon. The impetus is not on us to ‘let you show us your town’, that falls entirely upon you. The more you defend yourself instead of moving past it - and then blaming everybody else for you getting defensive as if it’s our fault that you’re staying in that space - the longer you delay this supposed revelation, which only causes people to scumread you harder and assumedly you also get even more defensiveNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:15 amI'm not gonna lay over and die because my misexe is game losing.
And if you are all so blinded by my activity and can't look at my play and let me show you my town than that's on you not me.
Town has been wrong on people who were not participating being woofs *coughfalconcough* so like maybe work with me.
I'll defend myself all I want it's fucking bullshit that everyone is acting like defending yourself makes you less towny lol. You can kill me and flip another town and than blame me for it post game.
I disagree with this on so many levelsInawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:55 pmNo, Mafia is an “everybody is guilty until proven innocent” game, and the only way you’re proven innocent is when you’re dead, mechanically confirmed, or the game ends. Everybody is a suspect, everybody gets pushed and poked and prodded, and everybody has to pull their own weight or they’re going to get more sus, more pushes, more pokes, and more prodsNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:46 pmNah fam the impetus is on you to actually have an open mind and frankly nobody does and nothing I do will be good enough.Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:59 amThis quote here I think is a good example of the issues I have with Neon. The impetus is not on us to ‘let you show us your town’, that falls entirely upon you. The more you defend yourself instead of moving past it - and then blaming everybody else for you getting defensive as if it’s our fault that you’re staying in that space - the longer you delay this supposed revelation, which only causes people to scumread you harder and assumedly you also get even more defensiveNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:15 amI'm not gonna lay over and die because my misexe is game losing.
And if you are all so blinded by my activity and can't look at my play and let me show you my town than that's on you not me.
Town has been wrong on people who were not participating being woofs *coughfalconcough* so like maybe work with me.
I'll defend myself all I want it's fucking bullshit that everyone is acting like defending yourself makes you less towny lol. You can kill me and flip another town and than blame me for it post game.
I don’t care that you defend yourself, we all do. But all you’ve done today so far is defend yourself and then complain that you’re being pushed. See beyond your own walls, take a step back, stop focusing on yourself and being indignant about being pushed at, and move yourself out of this corner you’re backed into
Like Hally said, there’s plenty that’s gone on just today, but there’s also plenty that’s gone on on the game in general. Look into literally anything and give your thoughts, who cares what anybody else thinks about you? If you’re town, what we think doesn’t matter, so move on, ignore the complaints, and change the prevailing winds
If you’re not town, by all means continue to dig this hole. You’ll be the one lying 6 feet under in it at EoD. The choice is yours
Personally I was also unhappy that Nutella decided that getting modkilled was a cool thing to do but given she didn't want to be a player in the first place, I can sympathize with it.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:56 amYeah
Naw, she was lowkey toxic and got herself modkilled lol, zero regret voting for thatMichelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:54 amBut you should feel bad for voting a villagerNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:51 am I mean you shouldn't feel bad about voting someone that got herself modkilled lol
I am happy if you are not here tomorow because your votes landed only on villagers iirc
To be clear i think she's usually awesome, everyone has off games, just not gonna feel bad about having voted her
I don't think anything j said about her was out of line, it certainly wasn't meant to be mean spiritedpyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:21 am Usual disclaimer that I'm bad at reads + an NPC
Re-read last ~2 hours of D5 + a bunch of older stuff.
I don't suspect any bussing on the Vivax wagon. Wagons were just too much in flux at EOD.
This makes me want to clear DrWigly/Michelle. I consider Lumi to be NPC.
Older stuff included Vivax ISO + Vivax/Neon interactions.
I think we've done a great job of gassing the Neon wagon, just like we gassed the IAWY wagon yesterday. Some of y'all have already moved on. So I will too. Let's not return to it.
my reads
DeeZees - Town, for Vivax interactions and D2 vote movement
DrWilgy - Town, I don't feel the thread pull that I felt in Hot Fuzz + voted Vivax
Hally - ?????, feel like I've been glazing over this slot the whole game
ilario - Town, unCC'd claim (although it's possible CC happens after the NPC singularity)
Inawordyes - ?????, but I want to believe that EOD D5 falcon stuff was honest townie behavior
Jackofhearts2005 - NPC, trolling (chaotic good )
Lumi - NPC, hardclaimed from D1
Manny - NPC, hardclaimed from D1
Michelle - Town, for voting Vivax + context (viewtopic.php?p=998553#p998553)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - NPC, claimed NPC for no logical reason, not sure I believe it and would advocate for turboing if still alive tomorrow
Neon - Town, for how Vivax treated her slot
Porscha - Town, AtE convinced me
Ricochet - ?????, POE and not sure how to handle the gimmick
Schiavetto - NPC, trolling
(I'm an NPC)
Ugh I really just hate calling anyone scummy, I think that's my biggest weakness.
This is one (1) too many NPCs. My guess is one (1) scum in Jack/Nanook/Schia.
My vote ain't shit but I would actually strongly push for Nanook being the DK if we're resigned to NPC hunting.
The Nutella tunnel into kinda being mean about it felt weirdPersonally I was also unhappy that Nutella decided that getting modkilled was a cool thing to do but given she didn't want to be a player in the first place, I can sympathize with it.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:56 amYeah
Naw, she was lowkey toxic and got herself modkilled lol, zero regret voting for thatMichelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:54 amBut you should feel bad for voting a villagerNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:51 am I mean you shouldn't feel bad about voting someone that got herself modkilled lol
I am happy if you are not here tomorow because your votes landed only on villagers iirc
To be clear i think she's usually awesome, everyone has off games, just not gonna feel bad about having voted her
Calling her toxic and then using that to defend your own vote on Nutella when nobody even asked? Weird.
Nanook ISO for the curious - search.php?author_id=665&t=2451
Look at how Jack made posts noting how Nutella nailed his Porscha read as bs. Quite honorable, even without the comparison.
Schia has been doing the 5 post bit since D1, something something rent-free.
[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine
What exactly is wrong in what Iawy said?Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:03 pmI disagree with this on so many levelsInawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:55 pmNo, Mafia is an “everybody is guilty until proven innocent” game, and the only way you’re proven innocent is when you’re dead, mechanically confirmed, or the game ends. Everybody is a suspect, everybody gets pushed and poked and prodded, and everybody has to pull their own weight or they’re going to get more sus, more pushes, more pokes, and more prodsNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:46 pmNah fam the impetus is on you to actually have an open mind and frankly nobody does and nothing I do will be good enough.Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:59 amThis quote here I think is a good example of the issues I have with Neon. The impetus is not on us to ‘let you show us your town’, that falls entirely upon you. The more you defend yourself instead of moving past it - and then blaming everybody else for you getting defensive as if it’s our fault that you’re staying in that space - the longer you delay this supposed revelation, which only causes people to scumread you harder and assumedly you also get even more defensiveNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:15 amI'm not gonna lay over and die because my misexe is game losing.
And if you are all so blinded by my activity and can't look at my play and let me show you my town than that's on you not me.
Town has been wrong on people who were not participating being woofs *coughfalconcough* so like maybe work with me.
I'll defend myself all I want it's fucking bullshit that everyone is acting like defending yourself makes you less towny lol. You can kill me and flip another town and than blame me for it post game.
I don’t care that you defend yourself, we all do. But all you’ve done today so far is defend yourself and then complain that you’re being pushed. See beyond your own walls, take a step back, stop focusing on yourself and being indignant about being pushed at, and move yourself out of this corner you’re backed into
Like Hally said, there’s plenty that’s gone on just today, but there’s also plenty that’s gone on on the game in general. Look into literally anything and give your thoughts, who cares what anybody else thinks about you? If you’re town, what we think doesn’t matter, so move on, ignore the complaints, and change the prevailing winds
If you’re not town, by all means continue to dig this hole. You’ll be the one lying 6 feet under in it at EoD. The choice is yours
i see what u mean @Michelle @HallyMichelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:58 amThis one IlarioMichelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:27 amThat's after Zeus votes Vivax probably.Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:32 pm [VOTE: DeeZees] aubergine
Guy sitting to my left literally started meowing yesterday.
He never meowed before.
Maybe cause of who was sitting in front of him, or cause I was contaminating his head. Or someone else perhaps.
Either way, ignorance is bliss and bliss sucks
Letting it here until I find more AI evidence
the second one is the only point that i would kinda agree with? he usually does care in his wolf rands. vivax back and forth i cant comment on as i havent seen vivax posts and idk if he likes to threatre, gimmick ive never seen him do as either alignment so its nai, towny posting is debatable lol. ig he has nk's going in his favour? alota the nk targets are people dz wouldnt be thtreaned by, so if hes a wolf hes had not much input in wolf chat. i also think he probs kills more over seanzie even if seanzie was more activeDeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:19 pmmight be wolvesMichelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:09 pmWhat do you think about them?DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:57 amahhh ppl are trying to kill me ahhhhManny wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:35 am Day 7 Vote Count
SoD: #7748 EoD: #0
Not Voting (4): MacDougall (3), Jackofhearts2005 (13), Ricochet (1), ilario (1)
schiavetto (3): Lumi (35), Inawordyes (8), Manny (50)
neon (3): Michelle (57), pyxxy (5), NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (7)
deezees (2): Neon (54), Hally (82)
but I think I should be cleared by:
- vivax back and forth
- complete lack of involvement in game
- towny posting
- gimmick
not my wolf game yooooooo
haha well after that person said it in thread i checked this and i interpreted this as one-shot
GoodNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:03 pmI disagree with this on so many levelsInawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:55 pmNo, Mafia is an “everybody is guilty until proven innocent” game, and the only way you’re proven innocent is when you’re dead, mechanically confirmed, or the game ends. Everybody is a suspect, everybody gets pushed and poked and prodded, and everybody has to pull their own weight or they’re going to get more sus, more pushes, more pokes, and more prodsNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:46 pmNah fam the impetus is on you to actually have an open mind and frankly nobody does and nothing I do will be good enough.Inawordyes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:59 amThis quote here I think is a good example of the issues I have with Neon. The impetus is not on us to ‘let you show us your town’, that falls entirely upon you. The more you defend yourself instead of moving past it - and then blaming everybody else for you getting defensive as if it’s our fault that you’re staying in that space - the longer you delay this supposed revelation, which only causes people to scumread you harder and assumedly you also get even more defensiveNeon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:15 amI'm not gonna lay over and die because my misexe is game losing.
And if you are all so blinded by my activity and can't look at my play and let me show you my town than that's on you not me.
Town has been wrong on people who were not participating being woofs *coughfalconcough* so like maybe work with me.
I'll defend myself all I want it's fucking bullshit that everyone is acting like defending yourself makes you less towny lol. You can kill me and flip another town and than blame me for it post game.
I don’t care that you defend yourself, we all do. But all you’ve done today so far is defend yourself and then complain that you’re being pushed. See beyond your own walls, take a step back, stop focusing on yourself and being indignant about being pushed at, and move yourself out of this corner you’re backed into
Like Hally said, there’s plenty that’s gone on just today, but there’s also plenty that’s gone on on the game in general. Look into literally anything and give your thoughts, who cares what anybody else thinks about you? If you’re town, what we think doesn’t matter, so move on, ignore the complaints, and change the prevailing winds
If you’re not town, by all means continue to dig this hole. You’ll be the one lying 6 feet under in it at EoD. The choice is yours
Sweet dreams Illario!
Idk what fr means but let's talk about everyone if you have time.