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[sig]

I’ll have a fairly good read on Dennis, Neon, and Kate by end of phase 1-2 I’d say.

Does this mean you are good at reading us, or you're focusing us for the upcoming phases?

I just finished a game with you three so I think your meta is fresh in my mind. Especially yours post last game where imo you were very clearly a civ

[sig]

Hi yay shiny new game for me to bitch about too many posts to read

Also [VOTE: roxy] aubergine

This is for the last game pocketing me like that so rude.

I'm not sure you would even fit in my pocket. I am positive I was not rude but full of love and happiness.

Lol

Okay lemme find someone else to vote for I guess

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Alright, I'm caught up now.

Town are Baudib, Bereft, Dennis, Falcon, Neon, Porscha, Rondo, SPF, Tutuu

Wolves in Lucy, Seanzie, Creature

Are you gonna exe me on accident while TRing me again?

I'm going to live the rest of my life regretting that one.

It's okay I still love you <3

[tutuu]

i tried to play this cycle intentionally scummy thus far, being widely townread is weird and there are a few possible reasons for it

The correct reason is that you do not have a good idea of what makes a look person scummy.

This dude a straight savage man someone hold him back

[sig]

Current leans

@sig wolf? (GTH Wolf) === Why did you try to undermine my Mac town read? Why are you defending Falcon? Why are you giving me a day 1 pass in a game about suspicion and deceit? What specifically do you like about Sean / Baud's post? When do you plan on doing any actual solving?
@staypositivefriend dunno (GT
(A) Kate > (B) Sig > (C) Lucy > (D)(One of Alison/Mac)

A - if kate flips wolf, analyse spew (or lack of and continue with kill list)
B - if Sig flips wolf, analyse spew (or lack of and continue with kill list)
C - if lucy flips wolf, anal- win the game


A - if kate flips town > kill counter wagon and so on till finding wolf and then kill most towny player day 4 if 3 consecutive non wolf hits (Hence D. Mac/Alison)
B - as above but +1 day
C - as above but +2 days

Spoiler: show

Or you can ignore all of this Im not your mum

First, I don’t like the level of tie in you’re attempting to do this early on, pre any flips. A lot of assumptions are being made and I find that this is more commonly a tactic used by mafia. Especially early game since it allows you to post a lot but say very little.

I alreayd answered the falcon question when talking to him, but basically he’s misvoted a lot and I don’t see much to see why he’s mafia. His posts (up to where I was which was around 10am today) are all pretty normal.

Mac is someone who we shouldn’t hardcore read town day 1 and I said why in my post. I’m not liking some of your questions especially this one since I answered it upfront? Seems like you’re just fishing for a reason to vote for me right now.

The other two were gut feels I like their playstyle so far.

I was against voting you day 1 since I wasn’t seeing the reasons and it seems like you’re misvoted alot.


Now my questions for you.

Why is it odd that I don’t want people to Town Read Mac for doing almost nothing, BUT, it’s also odd for me to not want to vote you out since “this is a game of deception”? You’re Basically making two totally counter arguments/point that don’t fit together at all. This + you questioning me about Mac is raising some flags

[sig]

What is the basis of this Kate wagon? I've seen nothing that's pinged me...am I blind?

I agree, she had only made one post and Allison seemed to think it was bad? Then people just sheeped that lead

[sig]

Also I’ve got 7 pages to read I stopped at page 7 for me so about 385 new posts.

I’m still working so idk when I’ll have time to finish catching up.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

usually i do

also there’s just always a wolf in alison/spf

I think Alison is one

don’t push or wagon her today

Why?

[Dennis]

Holy shit my brain just fried reading that many posts. I started grabbing quotes but then I realized I actually do not care enough to quote more after I got two.

So friends, asking as a man who's read nothing and is surprised at the Kate wagon being a 4 person wagon 13 hours in. If Kate is town, is there a wolf below?

Voters: Creature, tutuu, Baudib1, staypositivefriend

It's guaranteed there will be a wolf on this wagon because if Kate is town then wolves see town Alison going aggro on a new Syndicate player who is also town. They are legally obligated to hop on atp

In fact nobody picking up on my initial Kate suspicion was what solidified my read on her in the first place

What does anyone else picking up on your suspicion have to do with Kate?

(just for fun)

roxy
creature
baudib
kate
sig

Tell me about Sig because I don't remember a single post he has made.

Other notes: Alison v Roxy was a rollercoaster. I find it incredibly hard to believe that it is town v town. Roxy feels like frustrated civ to be 100% honest. I was there last game, under pressure and flipping out and saying/doing dumb thihings. Alison did not let up the pressure at all, just kept riling Roxy up and up. Which at a certain point I can't help but find suspicious. I saw something about 'that's just how Alison is' and I think that doesn't really explain well enough why she pushed someone to just giving up. On D1 as well. Maybe it's because I'm a baby who doesn't like hurting people's feelings and I feel super bad for Roxy but I could get behind a [VOTE: Alison] aubergine.

Also I think Alison/tutuu could be w/w. Now I am off to do my math homework.

[tutuu]

That was just a 4 fun thing, i had a w/w read on him with creature earlier, i wanted to paint 5 names red

[Dennis]

I’ll have a fairly good read on Dennis, Neon, and Kate by end of phase 1-2 I’d say.

Does this mean you are good at reading us, or you're focusing us for the upcoming phases?

I just finished a game with you three so I think your meta is fresh in my mind. Especially yours post last game where imo you were very clearly a civ

Oh wow I thought this question got buried and ignored. + Civ for you

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Kate still has not done anything after coming back to the game by the way.

No I haven't. I'm trying to get a handle on this. I'm honestly don't know if I can keep up with a game this size (post amount tbc). By the time I read through there's about 40 new posts. I know it's style, but one liner posts are so unnecessary and it makes iso'ing very hard.

I have dyslexia is unlikely you'll ever get me to do huge long posts with multiple quotes because I can't read back on my own posts than. Sorry.

[fingersplints]

Glad to see the game has started. Less glad to see 15 pages already to catch up on lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Oh honey. that was not guns blazing, you have never played with me but you act like I have tells. If you want a tell look at Felt Mafia 2. I was bad with Kate, SVS and Epi. We never suspected each other let alone voted for each other. I protect my teammates. I do not bus. Which is why we won that game with all four of us still alive. The new players such as yourself do not play this way. (see my baddie game w/lucy LGM) New players mostly all want passes to D 4 so they have info to go off of. OG players like myself find our actual suspicions in the thread. We do not vote without reasons or otherwise we would be the next elim.

1) This is going to be a copypasta after this game is over
2) This is an incorrect characterization of "new players"

It's also a mischarecterization of what happened in that game

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Ooooooo....
yes vote me off I do not feel like keeping up with this game anyways.
You'll be doing me a favor - the town not so much.

Then you will go next. Then Creature. Yay!

world record self vote and ate pace, beating out neon and wisp's previous runs

This is hurtful

[tutuu]

this is bereft after every post he makes

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: creature ] aubergine

Please explain

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

i'm not fully caught up but i'm getting pinged by a lot of the posts from creature that i'm seeing

i just played with him in da bois invitiational where we were T/T, and one thing i noticed about his game is that he was super hedgy and super non-commital and consistently projected a mindset where he was scared about being wrong. some quotes from him on d1 in that game:

I'm giving time for my reads to mature.

I am prob not giving anyone a townread for now until I am fairly sure about it. So don't expect anything from me other than pushing whoever is being wolfy.

I dunno where to go. I suspect spf and ladd the most but I'm also afraid of lynching them and them being town.

neopest I guess is playing her town game? (although I feel like she may have figured it out as wolf and can emulate it)

by contrast, creature is picking up reads in this game much more confidently, and he is pushing on ppl fairly aggressively and seems to have no hesitance about calling them wolfy:

Alright Seanzie looks good page 1

I liked Neon's posts tbh.

I guess the players I actually townread are Baudib1, Neon and Seanzie. Maybe lucy too but need more from her.

Alison
DrWilgy
Kate
RondoDimBuckle
sig
tutuu

should contain wolves

Somebody do something to make me feel something.

I'm listening to Easy to Tame by Kim Mitchell, and got Rich Gurl by Hall & Oates qued up next.



Get hyped.



What's your take on Wilgy?

lol I think DrWilgy had a wolf list that feels like it's 0/3 so he can go

i think the last post in particular isn't really a post that my mental model of creature as town would make. saying "X player has an inaccurate readslist, so he can go" feels like a bizarre amount of confidence from a player who is usually very hedgy and very worried about having an incorrect view of the game

maybe im reading too much into the meta stuff but yeah idk, i just feel like creature might be playing from a position of TMI and that he is forming a worldview too easily compared to what i just saw from him in a game like 2 weeks ago

Ope ignore me

[fingersplints]

locking sig and sean in as town

I’m up to here, which is admittedly not far, but this is similar to my thoughts at this point.
I don’t believe in lock town but I feel best about these two. Not sure I agree with Sean’s rondo suspicion, but feels genuine.

[falcon45ca]

Current leans

@sig wolf? (GTH Wolf) === Why did you try to undermine my Mac town read? Why are you defending Falcon? Why are you giving me a day 1 pass in a game about suspicion and deceit? What specifically do you like about Sean / Baud's post? When do you plan on doing any actual solving?
@staypositivefriend dunno (GT
(A) Kate > (B) Sig > (C) Lucy > (D)(One of Alison/Mac)

A - if kate flips wolf, analyse spew (or lack of and continue with kill list)
B - if Sig flips wolf, analyse spew (or lack of and continue with kill list)
C - if lucy flips wolf, anal- win the game


A - if kate flips town > kill counter wagon and so on till finding wolf and then kill most towny player day 4 if 3 consecutive non wolf hits (Hence D. Mac/Alison)
B - as above but +1 day
C - as above but +2 days

Spoiler: show

Or you can ignore all of this Im not your mum

First, I don’t like the level of tie in you’re attempting to do this early on, pre any flips. A lot of assumptions are being made and I find that this is more commonly a tactic used by mafia. Especially early game since it allows you to post a lot but say very little.

I alreayd answered the falcon question when talking to him, but basically he’s misvoted a lot and I don’t see much to see why he’s mafia. His posts (up to where I was which was around 10am today) are all pretty normal.

Mac is someone who we shouldn’t hardcore read town day 1 and I said why in my post. I’m not liking some of your questions especially this one since I answered it upfront? Seems like you’re just fishing for a reason to vote for me right now.

The other two were gut feels I like their playstyle so far.

I was against voting you day 1 since I wasn’t seeing the reasons and it seems like you’re misvoted alot.


Now my questions for you.

Why is it odd that I don’t want people to Town Read Mac for doing almost nothing, BUT, it’s also odd for me to not want to vote you out since “this is a game of deception”? You’re Basically making two totally counter arguments/point that don’t fit together at all. This + you questioning me about Mac is raising some flags

Rondo is Maf, so is Mac

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Hot take: Alison/Roxy is w/w.

Do I believe it? I don't know. But it is a hot take.

bad take, feels v/v

Bad take feels like W/V

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

What is the basis of this Kate wagon? I've seen nothing that's pinged me...am I blind?

I agree, she had only made one post and Allison seemed to think it was bad? Then people just sheeped that lead

People tend to protect Alison in games I've played with them in. Even when they appear to be mafia, even when they are mafia, they get defensive when you vote for Alison. I assume because Alison is a good player but IMHO keeping people alive be cause they might catch a wolf later when they are getting sussy amogus now is badddd play

Also [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Oh yay I caught up. I barely thought anything in the last like 5 pages mattered so that's cool ig.

[Jackofhearts2005]

sweet

[falcon45ca]

@DrWilgy Join my town core homie

[Baudib1]

The reason Jack is mafia is because, even given he was in RVS mode later than everyone else, he decided to troll the game with every single post. When he unexpectedly took heat for this he just rolled with it to try to deflect. This is a very common mafia technique and we should lunch him.

If you are not voting Jack or if you are voting with Jack you should feel less than stellar about yourself.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: SPF] aubergine

[sig]

*hs*

Yes?

[sig]

Next question: should we let lucy determine the elim as the IC

I think we should settle it now before she gives reads so mafia can't support/oppose the idea based on her reads

No and this is a major red flag question

[Baudib1]

I like these people:
Lucy
Alison
Creature
SPF
Bereft

Don’t like these people
Falcon
Rondo
DrWilgy
Kate
Jack

[Baudib1]

I’m not real strong on that DrWilgy feel tbh

[Seanzie]

The reason Jack is mafia is because, even given he was in RVS mode later than everyone else, he decided to troll the game with every single post. When he unexpectedly took heat for this he just rolled with it to try to deflect. This is a very common mafia technique and we should lunch him.

If you are not voting Jack or if you are voting with Jack you should feel less than stellar about yourself.

I don't think what you're saying here happened.

Where is Jack trolling? Where did he take heat for trolling? Where did he roll with it?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

The reason Jack is mafia is because, even given he was in RVS mode later than everyone else, he decided to troll the game with every single post. When he unexpectedly took heat for this he just rolled with it to try to deflect. This is a very common mafia technique and we should lunch him.

If you are not voting Jack or if you are voting with Jack you should feel less than stellar about yourself.

I don't feel remotely bad about myself

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Alison/Mac/Bau woofie woofers

[sig]

I’m definitely eyeing Allison and rondo right now the most.

Mac is a hazy read he’s playing a bit weird, but not ready to commit to a read either way.

Jack, falcon, Sean, Porsche, and Lucy, are all people I’d not want to vote off today.


I think Roxy looked very good with her responses and I see where she’s coming from. However, she just tricked me last game and civ reading Kate after she just said she hard protects teammates doesn’t mean a lot. They were just mafia together though so the odds are in our favor they’re not both mafia.


I’ll add for those not familiar Roxy is old school from the TS era where you need to be alive to win games as a civ. That’ll change her approach a bit and make her do some stuff that might come across as weird.

Stay positive and tuutuu are both posting but I’ve got zero reads on them which I don’t like

[sig]

[VOTE: Allison] aubergine

I’m not feeling creature either, but I’m more hesitant on Allison.

For creature can someone explain the whole “His alignment will be clear” since I’ve played a fair amount with him in the past and this Wasn’t the meta.

[Baudib1]

The reason Jack is mafia is because, even given he was in RVS mode later than everyone else, he decided to troll the game with every single post. When he unexpectedly took heat for this he just rolled with it to try to deflect. This is a very common mafia technique and we should lunch him.

If you are not voting Jack or if you are voting with Jack you should feel less than stellar about yourself.

I don't think what you're saying here happened.

Where is Jack trolling? Where did he take heat for trolling? Where did he roll with it?

Read any of his posts.

[Seanzie]

The reason Jack is mafia is because, even given he was in RVS mode later than everyone else, he decided to troll the game with every single post. When he unexpectedly took heat for this he just rolled with it to try to deflect. This is a very common mafia technique and we should lunch him.

If you are not voting Jack or if you are voting with Jack you should feel less than stellar about yourself.

I don't think what you're saying here happened.

Where is Jack trolling? Where did he take heat for trolling? Where did he roll with it?

Read any of his posts.

I did. I read his ISO carefully.

I'll ask again. Where is this happening? Please point out specific instances.

[falcon45ca]

Alison/Mac/Bau woofie woofers

Neon is pocketing me, and I kinda like it.




It's not nearly as bright as you might expect

[Dennis]

They were just mafia together though so the odds are in our favor they’re not both mafia.

I mean, you could say this about anybody. There is the same chance that Roxy rolled mafia that you rolled mafia that Seanzie rolled mafia, and so on and so forth.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: baudib1] aubergine

[robyn]

i am hard vetoing alison lynch today

[falcon45ca]

The reason Jack is mafia is because, even given he was in RVS mode later than everyone else, he decided to troll the game with every single post. When he unexpectedly took heat for this he just rolled with it to try to deflect. This is a very common mafia technique and we should lunch him.

If you are not voting Jack or if you are voting with Jack you should feel less than stellar about yourself.

I don't think what you're saying here happened.

Where is Jack trolling? Where did he take heat for trolling? Where did he roll with it?

Read any of his posts.

I did. I read his ISO carefully.

I'll ask again. Where is this happening? Please point out specific instances.

Kinda seems like one of those "bad wolrd views" that Baud was jibber jabberin' about earlier tbh.



Notice they've been rather vague, and hard to pin down on how they actually feel about players/their reads

[falcon45ca]

I just discovered this band today, and it's a better day because of it

[Baudib1]

I did. I read his ISO carefully.

I'll ask again. Where is this happening? Please point out specific instances.

This is not a serious post. Do you believe that Jack believes we should yeet him D1 every game in order to determine his alignment? Do you believe that he really thinks he should be considered obvtown?

I mean, in theory, you should try to yeet me every D1 to immediately determine my alignment.

In practice, I'm obviously town so what are you doing?

This is a nonsensical post with no reasoning or previous post supporting any of these conclusions.

Also, just assume that everything happens for a reason, including rands.

Ergo, you can townread Seanzie, me, Creature, Falcon, Porscha and you can scumread Alison, Wilgy.

This is another useless post that says nothing. Yes, we can conclude that Roxy-Alison is one of three possible groupings. This is lolcatting,

well, since we can all agree that Alison and Roxy are either w/w, v/w or v/v, we should infoyeet Alison.

[fingersplints]

I think Roxy is town. They're being too deliberately provocative.

it's clearly their natural personality and won't change regardless of their alignment

that's like townreading mac for being loud or me for being direct

You do not even know me but your are clearly wrong. Buh-bye.

Yeah, I'm sure you immediately become polite and soft-spoken when you see the red role PM hit your inbox.

@Alison no need to make this personal. I am polite and soft spoken irl. So can we keep this game in game not personal? Please. You do not *know* me. Period. Stop please.

As someone who knows Rox IRL. Can confirm

[fingersplints]

@Alison

Why aren’t you voting me if I’m outted?

This was asked earlier and my response is that Roxy is more outed

How can someone be “more outed”?

[sig]

They were just mafia together though so the odds are in our favor they’re not both mafia.

I mean, you could say this about anybody. There is the same chance that Roxy rolled mafia that you rolled mafia that Seanzie rolled mafia, and so on and so forth.

Something something statistical smart sounding. (I engaged in Tactical study prep during those classes so psh who knows) it sounds smart and right though so I’m sticking to it

[sig]

i am hard vetoing alison lynch today

Lucy, assuming you’re IC it does mean your reads are genuine, but it’s usually town leading misvotes anyway so until you’ve got solid info like red checks I don’t think you should have an oversized say tbh.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I did. I read his ISO carefully.

I'll ask again. Where is this happening? Please point out specific instances.

This is not a serious post. Do you believe that Jack believes we should yeet him D1 every game in order to determine his alignment? Do you believe that he really thinks he should be considered obvtown?

I mean, in theory, you should try to yeet me every D1 to immediately determine my alignment.

In practice, I'm obviously town so what are you doing?

This is a nonsensical post with no reasoning or previous post supporting any of these conclusions.

Also, just assume that everything happens for a reason, including rands.

Ergo, you can townread Seanzie, me, Creature, Falcon, Porscha and you can scumread Alison, Wilgy.

This is another useless post that says nothing. Yes, we can conclude that Roxy-Alison is one of three possible groupings. This is lolcatting,

well, since we can all agree that Alison and Roxy are either w/w, v/w or v/v, we should infoyeet Alison.

The joke is that I'm unyeetable as town so you should try to yeet me so that you either get a wolf yeet or it fails. You've successfully identified three jokes. Good job?