Cartomancy [Game Over]

[staypositivefriend]

Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Hard for me fam as I think you are basically townfirmed based on Kate.

Also why is SPF wallposting wolf indicative?

Because I dealt with wolf spf twice in games (and specced/hosted her numerous times).

Someone on hydra game said something about her views in the game being polarized as wolf. Or something like that.

i told you in a chat a couple of months ago that i tend to wallpost more as a wolf than as town because wallposting makes people townread me more by default. but the read doesn't make sense anyway considering i've made about 2 posts in this game that i would consider to be a "wallpost", unless you think that writing like 3 paragraphs counts as a wall now

also i'm not polarized at all tbh

No but proph said your pov in games are like. Polarized as maf.

You have wrote. More. Wallpost than. That

Stop gaslighting

no.....proph said that my reads as mafia tend to be very one dimensional and not very thoughtful, whereas my reads as town are more complex and multi-faceted

i was mafia in the game youre referring to, and proph incorrectly thought i was town BECAUSE of how complex my reads were, so it doesn't make sense to use this as an example of me being polarized. and also, it's not gaslighting, i just haven't made many wallposts in this game in general

[Jackofhearts2005]

Fuck it.

I’m gonna “bus Creature.”

Alison was the problem (which is fine, I’m often the problem) and most of my worldview is fine, esp with Mac trending down.

[VOTE: Creature.] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

I think I can believe that there's 1 between Jack/Creature.

But man, my gut is screaming that there's one between Sig/Tutuu.

Mainly because I acknowledge that the scenario where I'm wrong about Sig only exists if they are correct about Tutuu I think.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Creature’s the most obviously bussable obvious wolf and enough ppl putting Creature and I as a difference check, let’s dome that and the game is salvageable.

And if Creature is somehow town, we’re boned anyhow.

[sig]

I think I can believe that there's 1 between Jack/Creature.

But man, my gut is screaming that there's one between Sig/Tutuu.

Mainly because I acknowledge that the scenario where I'm wrong about Sig only exists if they are correct about Tutuu I think.

I promise I’d be playing a much sneakier game if I was mafia much sneakier like so sneaky oooo you don’t know how sneaky I’d have been

[sig]

And Wilgy and Jacks avatars look to similar and I’ve come to the conclusion that I’ve been treating their posts as coming from the same person for at least half of this game oops

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

What the fuck do you want from me

Ya know, I'll yeet this kind of attitude into the sun every time.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

Still think this is bad dood.

Bad vote, or bad me?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sig, one of us has a photograph as an avatar and one of us has a drawing.

[Sabiplz]

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

Gn

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

Still think this is bad dood.

Bad vote, or bad me?

Bad Vote. You are still town.

[Sabiplz]

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

What the fuck do you want from me

Ya know, I'll yeet this kind of attitude into the sun every time.

When have I not had this attitude

Who mad e you the king of the town?

[Jackofhearts2005]

My deep discomfort with the gamestate and my deep discomfort with the state of the poll are kinda mixing together to give me a zen comfort.

We yeet Creature and play Persona 5 and stuggke with our wife and this is how the game is meant to progress.

[tutuu]

Me and the boys on our way to lose without killing a single mafia

[tutuu]

@staypositivefriend how come you put me from 4th biggest townread to putting me in ur poe (list of 5 including me always has wolf) yesterday, before roxy flipped?

@Bereft how come you put me from "so town it hurts" to putting me in ur poe (list of 5 names) yesterday, before roxy flipped?

[tutuu]

I think Tutuu has a fair bit of wolf equity now ngl (am I using that term right). She was very very much pushing a 'let's follow Alison legacy' type deal, almost as if she knew it wrong

Not voting there but I've got my eye on you.

funny coz i thought roxy might be right on yah

my very first forum mafia game in my life, i was 15, i randed mafia, and i obliterated everyone

[tutuu]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

[tutuu]

changed my mind overnight and dont think sig is mafia anymore. i think sabi/creature/jack contains at least 2.

think the game is being deepwolfed by probably exactly tutuu/one other player but im interested in just voting out a wolf today regardless of anything else

what wonderful means changed your mind?

mostly that im not sure sig would wear his TMI that roxy was going to flip town so brazenly yesterday, and the way he has consistently come off as being jaded and betrayed by the game feels like a nearly identical perspective to the one that roxy projected at the end of yesterday. roxy and sig were linked in my mind in a number of ways and roxy flipping town increased the chances that sig is town too for a number of reasons

it is possible that im clearing sig too easily but yeah

i agree

after i saw the roxy flip i thought (in much more simpler words) - sig is probably twtbawbatbtawbwaba

[tutuu]

i'm like....a player that exists in the game. you can interact with me. you can figure out my alignment by talking to me about my reads and asking me questions.

You can brush my hair, undress me everywhere

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

creature u the best man

[tutuu]

mac is still lock town for me but spf and bereft surviving over rondo raises eyebrows

if theyre town, mafia was afraid of the doctor card, not the silly tinfoil stuff

(and keep mac alive coz of the tinfoils on him) is my read

[tutuu]

bereft, spf, dennis, falcon, porscha

hows this sound?

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall why did you at eod yesterday said creature is town and now at sod say creature eis mafia?

overnight reevaluation

[MacDougall]

I don't see the game going the way it has if that group is mostly town.

Seanzie you literally are a main cause for why it is the way it is. And you're blaming the abstract idea that we'd stop it. You tunneled the towniest player in the game right up until they died then moved on to me. Pull your fucking head out of your ass.

I'm not "blaming" anyone or anything. I'm making a read.

Your read is that if I was town that the game wouldn't be where it is when I've been fighting against a gamestate you've been far more complicit in. You're literally 1984 as fuck. You are doing shit and then blaming me for not preventing it. It's maddening.

My read is that a group {SPF, Mac, Bereft} should be leading us, and they aren't so the group has wolves.

I have not been complicit in the gamestate. My reads have been ignored and none of the people I have pushed for have gotten chopped. The only effect I've had on the gamestate is that I've defended people like Falcon and Creature, because I think they're more likely town than not, and I think I've helped avoid wagons on them.

You were one of the main people pushing Baudib on day 1. It's disingenuous to say you're not complicit in the gamestate when you did that AND voted Alison on day 1. You are not alone but you're part of the core group.

I did push Baudib, and I was wrong, but that isn't being complicit in anything. I only voted Alison when the day was almost done (5 minutes left) and a FS wagon appeared out of nowhere (unless you mean earlier in the day when I was voting Alison and Baudib to see how people would react to the tie). Alison was not a great choice IMO, but at that point, only Alison and FS were viable, at AT LEAST Alison is someone we talked about that day so their flip would be more beneficial than an infoless FS flip.

Neither of these things is being complicit in the gamestate.

Being awfully generous to yourself compared to others.

[MacDougall]

Seanzie/SPF/Falcon does probably in fact contain exactly one wolf was the only thing I gathered overnight.

Sean is starting to ping me. I feel he's laying an undue amount of burden at Mac's feet...and he talks about a rotten towncore, but is he not part of said core? It's not as tho he's been a major wagon or anything

I'm not laying an undue amount of burden at Mac's feet. My burden is with the group {SPF, Mac, Bereft}. I don't think the burden I've placed on that group as a whole is undue.

Of those 3, I choose SPF.

why?

What's your solve right now? Who are your top 3 sus and why plz?

my current view of the game is that i would be mildly surprised if the pool of sabi/creature/jack didn't contain at least two mafia

sabi because sabi is very talented at projecting towniness/solveiness when they are town, and they also have a tendency to get extremely invested into games when they are town and post a lot of content/thoughts without needing to think much about them

whereas sabi here feels a lot more timid, a lot less invested, and it feels like they are choosing their words carefully in the majority of posts that they do make. i think that if sabi was town, it would be eaiser to find them as town right now, which is why i want more pressure on them today in general

creature is in my immediate POE because he fits the archetype of a wolf who has aggressively pushed for the consensus while maintaining a comfortable/protected view in the gamestate. his reads have consistently contained a level of confidence and bravado that do not feel proportional to his solving, and that also do not feel proportional to how creature usually solves games as town

im also pretty convinced that if creature was town he would be throwing a fit about me/mac needing to be deepwolves right now instead of just kind of passively sitting back in the gamestate and voting me without really expressing a particularly coherent view of the game. i think creature's passivity in this gamestate could be explained by him just wanting us to continue burying each other alive

jack because his push on alison on d1 was illogical and bad faith, and the type of stuff he pushed on alison for is not the stuff i think jack!town would care about as someone who was already very familiar with alison. i also think that his primary intention for the last phase has been to pocket me, sit back, and watch us set ourselves on fire

im working it out beyond that but i think bereft/tutuu contains 1 and that it is likely to be tutuu

I am 2 votes for you today.

[tutuu]

rondo townread me yall should sheep him

@RondoDimBuckle respect, King

[Jackofhearts2005]

bereft, spf, dennis, falcon, porscha

hows this sound?

Pretty awful, honestly. :-/

[Sabiplz]

@MacDougall why did you at eod yesterday said creature is town and now at sod say creature eis mafia?

overnight reevaluation

Can you explain how you came to that reeval

[Sabiplz]

bereft, spf, dennis, falcon, porscha

hows this sound?

Explain

[tutuu]

bereft, spf, dennis, falcon, porscha

hows this sound?

Explain

just did about the first 3, last 2 im carrying over from yesterdy

[tutuu]

i wanna townread sig, creature and jack for being too wolfy to be a wolf?

who can stop me? the thought police? SIKE catch me if ya can

[tutuu]

(i mean this game was lost the moment roxy flipped town for the record LOL but it doesnt hurt to have fun while we get massacred)

[tutuu]

(i mean this game was lost the moment roxy flipped town for the record LOL but it doesnt hurt to have fun while we get massacred)

or well she didnt become town on d3, it was from d1

so u could say this game was lost from day 1

determinism, as that blonde jesus goober guy would say

[tutuu]

@Dennis vote me u dont dare. u 2 scared. gonna cry?

[staypositivefriend]

bereft, spf, dennis, falcon, porscha

hows this sound?

are you just omgusing me then

[tutuu]

bereft, spf, dennis, falcon, porscha

hows this sound?

are you just omgusing me then

why did u start scumreading me YESTERDAY before roxy even flipped TOWN?

[staypositivefriend]

the reason why i started scumreading you is because i realized that i did not have any logical or coherent reasons to townread you beyond: "i like her tone" or "i think the conviction behind some of her posts is towny", and when i am townreading strong players based on ~vibes~ alone, this is the territory where i tend to misclear people the most

roxy's alignment made no difference to my read on you

[staypositivefriend]

the reason why im scumreading you now (in this moment) is because you just put me in your immediate POE in spite of townreading me consistently throughout the game, and you put bereft in that POE as well even though you have also been townreading bereft, and it feels to me like you are taking advantage of the shitty threadstate to inject more paranoia into the game, and not actually interested in solving or figuring things out

[tutuu]

the reason why i started scumreading you is because i realized that i did not have any logical or coherent reasons to townread you beyond: "i like her tone" or "i think the conviction behind some of her posts is towny", and when i am townreading strong players based on ~vibes~ alone, this is the territory where i tend to misclear people the most

roxy's alignment made no difference to my read on you

hmmmm if u say so scary pink girl

[tutuu]

the reason why im scumreading you now (in this moment) is because you just put me in your immediate POE in spite of townreading me consistently throughout the game, and you put bereft in that POE as well even though you have also been townreading bereft, and it feels to me like you are taking advantage of the shitty threadstate to inject more paranoia into the game, and not actually interested in solving or figuring things out

wait a sec how did u write this post in a few seconds?!??! i was just boutta reply to ur first one and then this pops up

did u pre-wrote this post and then hit submit fast?

how much is ur wpm typing speed?

[staypositivefriend]

im just a really fast typer lol

my average is like 120ish but on my best days i can hit 140

[DrWilgy]

the reason why im scumreading you now (in this moment) is because you just put me in your immediate POE in spite of townreading me consistently throughout the game, and you put bereft in that POE as well even though you have also been townreading bereft, and it feels to me like you are taking advantage of the shitty threadstate to inject more paranoia into the game, and not actually interested in solving or figuring things out

wait a sec how did u write this post in a few seconds?!??! i was just boutta reply to ur first one and then this pops up

did u pre-wrote this post and then hit submit fast?

how much is ur wpm typing speed?

2

[Bereft]

bereft, spf, dennis, falcon, porscha

hows this sound?

It sounds like the team was literally made up to include as little wolves as possible. If I had been asked yesterday 0/5. This is not a real solve and you know it.

[Dennis]

L + ratio + I'm making a huge ass post you're gonna have to scroll through like 14 times

If anyone wants to talk me about interactions and consequently possible scumteam worlds then I'd love to talk, don't think I will make any earthshattering revelations about individual players at the moment.

Jack's entire contribution to the game was to tunnel Alison for shit reasons day 1 and then slank. Baudib1 had a lock scum read on him. He is mafia.

Tutuu has ruthlessly pushed town near exclusively while doing nothing but blatantly pocket others. She is mafia.

Kate was scummy. Sabi subbed in and continued being scummy.

Start there.

I have thought Sabi has been more town. Like the way they entered wasn't a mafia frustrated they were dropped in a sus position but instead a townie upset that they're expected to be obvitown after like a day

i will do my due diligence today, and because there are 5/14 players alive who are wolves i should be control the lynch today

@staypositivefriend can you post a readslist

These posts are beginning to drive me crazy. You CANNOT tell us what to do with no reasoning behind it. Make a case, or say SOMETHING other than, for example, 'Jack is vetoed today'. Just because you are confirmed town does not mean you are right. Like what Roxy said in her last post. We are too close to lylo to be playing follow the leader.

The game being hard does not automatically mean Bereft/SPF/Mac contains mafia. If us three were dead and Baudib, Alison and Rondo alive you'd probably have the exact same argument with different names.

Keep on powerwolfing man, it's a reasonable thing to do. You're going to have to deal with me all day though.

Okay I'm done with you. I pleaded with you to work with me yesterday and you ignored me. I'm burying you today.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

From my POV, you have not tried to work with me at all. I explained my case on you yesterday and you just called it illogical and then got upset and started AtEing. Since you've used similar AtE on me when you were a wolf in the past, you burned the one "I'mma drop it in case this is real town frustration and not manipulative AtE" card you get. I don't think I've been rude to you, and I get how this game can get heated at times, and I believe your frustration is probably genuine, but I also know you expressing frustration in the thread is NAI, so you can't expect me to just change my reads because of it.

Bury away.

You have given me zero opportunity to explain my mindset to you in a way that could persuade you to change your read. I have been very townie. You have been a town killing machine and accusing me of the opposite. You should actually reevaluate me properly if you are town. I made a day 1 solve you quoted and questioned me on that so far has had 3 town flip from my towncore and 0 mafia. Largely players you've pushed. Either you're a cause or complicit in the destruction of the town wincon in this game imo.

I've suspected town, but I have not killed anyone. Who have I pushed that then got chopped because of it?

You can say my reads are shit, but town killing? no.

Why are you letting town from your towncore flip so easily?

Oh yes I forgot I control every vote in the game.

I literally created a wagon day 1 to try to save them. Fuck off.

This entire interaction has made me think Seanzie/Mac is town/town.

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

What the fuck do you want from me

This is what I was talking about before. I don't think a mafia comes in this aggressive. Sabi has clearly laid out what to expect from them this game and they aren't gonna work harder just because you don't townread them.

Imma be honest, I don’t know what polarized even means.

I don't either, and googling it didn't help.

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

What the fuck do you want from me

Ya know, I'll yeet this kind of attitude into the sun every time.

I'd sooner yeet your attitude than Sabi's to be completely honest

[Dennis]

I think Tutuu has a fair bit of wolf equity now ngl (am I using that term right). She was very very much pushing a 'let's follow Alison legacy' type deal, almost as if she knew it wrong

Not voting there but I've got my eye on you.

funny coz i thought roxy might be right on yah

my very first forum mafia game in my life, i was 15, i randed mafia, and i obliterated everyone

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

I thought we were partners. Friends. Besties for the resties. I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING. I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, I COULD HAVE WORKED WITH YOU TO SAVE THIS TOWN.

But no. Alas, instead I am met with betrayal. This is why I go alone. So you know what? When Sheriff Lucy gets you, and you look to me to protect this town, don't expect me to take your gun. Because all you'll get.

Is shot in the head by me.

Spoiler: show

We should turn this into a movie fr

[Dennis]

@Dennis vote me u dont dare. u 2 scared. gonna cry?

No you're right I am too scared and tears are already forming

I still don't think you're 100% bad get the fuCK OUT OF MY TOWN-level bad because honestly, the way you presented your cases was very genuine and I think you actually believed what you were saying. But I can't just ignore how hard you pushed flipping Roxy. So you're in this unique spot where I can't force myself to townread you OR scumread you, so if I had to put it into words I guess townlean. But it's a concept I'm very much struggling to put into words.

[Dennis]

I remember thinking to myself "I really should go to bed at a normal time". It's 1 in the morning good lord how am I still going

[tutuu]

I think Tutuu has a fair bit of wolf equity now ngl (am I using that term right). She was very very much pushing a 'let's follow Alison legacy' type deal, almost as if she knew it wrong

Not voting there but I've got my eye on you.

funny coz i thought roxy might be right on yah

my very first forum mafia game in my life, i was 15, i randed mafia, and i obliterated everyone

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

I thought we were partners. Friends. Besties for the resties. I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING. I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, I COULD HAVE WORKED WITH YOU TO SAVE THIS TOWN.

But no. Alas, instead I am met with betrayal. This is why I go alone. So you know what? When Sheriff Lucy gets you, and you look to me to protect this town, don't expect me to take your gun. Because all you'll get.

Is shot in the head by me.

Spoiler: show

We should turn this into a movie fr

Who the hell do you think I am? I've been dunking on wolves left and right before you were born on this world. This world, as I've been to many. And guess what I've seen in all of them? Little weasels like you, thinking they can get away with defeating me in combat. Guess what, punk. You're 100 years too early if you think you have a chance against me.

I can easily dismantle all of your arguments, uncover your lies, show undisputable proof that you're mafia. Without even lifting my finger. I can make you confess of your crimes simply with the power of my mind.

All of your weak attacks dink off of my shiny armor, dealing 1 damage max. You can't even get over my HP regen per sec.

I'm a 1000 years old shapeshifter, I've seen civilizations rise and crumble to dust, I've seen generations of people living and dying. And guess what I haven't seen?

A coward as big as you.

You hide behind your laurels from Day 1. You used your wolf buddies to help you get a good standing. And now you dare think you can defeat me. Your beginner luck has gotten to your head, thinking you can accomplish such a feat. I suggest training for 10 more years and then maybe just MAYBE you'll be worthy enough to be in the same arena as me. Until then, you're nothing but a weakling. A mob with a gray level that I won't even receive XP for after I crush you.

Get out of my sight...

[tutuu]

[tutuu]

i honored alison's legacy. i townread her but she agreed to die and if so we follow her reads. and so i did

roxy was believed to be in anti-spewed as said by bereft

before roxy flipped town, bereft somehow got his "spider sense" to tingle that "something is weird" - he he put me in his PoE, from "so town it hurts"

then the little punk comes today and votes me

berfet is MAFIA

[tutuu]

Tutuu has ruthlessly pushed town near exclusively while doing nothing but blatantly pocket others. She is mafia.

yeah? lets go over the flipped town

finger - i voted her with you
alison - i voted her with you
roxy - i honored alison's reads, u voted me
rondo - i townread him
neon - i townread her
baudib - i townread him

lol!