Cartomancy [Game Over]

[Dennis]

NO IN MY BIG COPYPASTA THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BIG SPACES AT THE LAST SENTENCE TO MAKE IT COOL WTF

[tutuu]

@staypositivefriend if ur town please recognize that both me and creature are in the PoE and yet we're voting together for Dennis whos towncore

What does that tell u?

Pls make the right choice and tell ur little doormat Maccie to obey u

[Seanzie]

Rn im at

Dennis and bereft - outed mafia
Falcon - almost definitely mafia
Sig, spf, wilgy, jack - has 2 town and 2 mafia

That group of 4 you say has 2 n 2 I think has 3.25 expected wolves.

[tutuu]

Rn im at

Dennis and bereft - outed mafia
Falcon - almost definitely mafia
Sig, spf, wilgy, jack - has 2 town and 2 mafia

That group of 4 you say has 2 n 2 I think has 3.25 expected wolves.

Well my reasons for explaining why all of those could be town are:

Sig - too wolfy to be wolf
Spf - shes been alright, sadly shes not dead though
Wilgy - hes been cranky/emotional
Jack - hes been depressed

We'll see cowboy we'll see

[Dennis]

@staypositivefriend if ur town please recognize that both me and creature are in the PoE and yet we're voting together for Dennis whos towncore

What does that tell u?

Pls make the right choice and tell ur little doormat Maccie to obey u

wait what is it supposed to say

I'm not good with wagonomatics or whatever I've discovered

On a journey of self discovery for real

[Dennis]

Why are we killing people for being emotional

[tutuu]

@staypositivefriend if ur town please recognize that both me and creature are in the PoE and yet we're voting together for Dennis whos towncore

What does that tell u?

Pls make the right choice and tell ur little doormat Maccie to obey u

wait what is it supposed to say

I'm not good with wagonomatics or whatever I've discovered

On a journey of self discovery for real

If i thought ur town id answer but i dont negotiate with terrorists sorry!

[Dennis]

@staypositivefriend if ur town please recognize that both me and creature are in the PoE and yet we're voting together for Dennis whos towncore

What does that tell u?

Pls make the right choice and tell ur little doormat Maccie to obey u

wait what is it supposed to say

I'm not good with wagonomatics or whatever I've discovered

On a journey of self discovery for real

If i thought ur town id answer but i dont negotiate with terrorists sorry!

This made me frown

[Bereft]

I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.

[tutuu]

Come on Bereft lay it out lets see what you got

[tutuu]

I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.

Wolf

[Bereft]

Just skimming Seanzie's iso.

Day 1 and day 2 he campaigned for Baudib to die. Baudib was the towniest player in the game.

He shielded Alison then voted her at the end.

He has tunneled me relentlessly.

Hes shielded actual scummy players.

Just kill him.

(tbf I think you were the only one who thought baudib was the towniest player in the game day 1)

I also thought baudib was the towniest player and think Lucy thought something similar.

[tutuu]

Just skimming Seanzie's iso.

Day 1 and day 2 he campaigned for Baudib to die. Baudib was the towniest player in the game.

He shielded Alison then voted her at the end.

He has tunneled me relentlessly.

Hes shielded actual scummy players.

Just kill him.

(tbf I think you were the only one who thought baudib was the towniest player in the game day 1)

I also thought baudib was the towniest player and think Lucy thought something similar.

Wolf

[Bereft]

I have decided to townread Jack for bad reasons.

I still think Tutuu is the key wolf.

I think Wilgy shielding Sabi from Falcon is mafia shielding town with TMI from another town.

I really just have nfi anymore. I want out.

Oh so you also think Wilgy has been dropping TMI.

[Bereft]

Great we're sort of on the same page.

[tutuu]

I have decided to townread Jack for bad reasons.

I still think Tutuu is the key wolf.

I think Wilgy shielding Sabi from Falcon is mafia shielding town with TMI from another town.

I really just have nfi anymore. I want out.

Oh so you also think Wilgy has been dropping TMI.

Wolf

[tutuu]

Great we're sort of on the same page.

Wolf

[Bereft]

i would like people to give me their opinions on wilgy and falcon please

Have not changed from they're clearly unpartnered and would rather vote Wilgy who probably TMI'ed Falcon town.

[tutuu]

i would like people to give me their opinions on wilgy and falcon please

Have not changed from they're clearly unpartnered and would rather vote Wilgy who probably TMI'ed Falcon town.

Wolf.

[Bereft]

This game confuses me currently but I haven't been able to articulate why.

Spoiler: show

This is the town inre: lucy/Alison:





No one seems able to move past the fact that:
A) I *am* a notoriously low poster does not mean idc or do not have accurate reads
B) Alison has been wrong about Neon, fs and now me.
C) If you keep following someone that is no better than *you* to figure out this game the town will lose.

I am not in "antispew". It is something I have never done. Why? Bc mostly when I am bad I am not caught, not bragging just saying.



Lucy has done fuck all to help solve. She cannot read anyone better than YOU!

Be better. Do better. Try to pull your heds out of your asses.




I would thank certain people and give final reads but you fuckers do not deserve one ounce of my help.
I dare ANY of you to ask why after the game ends.

I send every good vibe to the mafia. I hope you win <3

his post was before roxy's post if u look at the timestamps, he literally had no reason to suspect anything was off with roxy since she has literally made 0 posts at that point (between him convinced shes an anti spewing and this)

@staypositivefriend

Ah, so now we argue via "Bereft is not allowed to think thoughts over long periods of time and do smart things and go against consensus and reevaluate other parts of Roxy's play" which BTW, everyone saw me clearly doing.

[tutuu]

This game confuses me currently but I haven't been able to articulate why.

Spoiler: show

This is the town inre: lucy/Alison:





No one seems able to move past the fact that:
A) I *am* a notoriously low poster does not mean idc or do not have accurate reads
B) Alison has been wrong about Neon, fs and now me.
C) If you keep following someone that is no better than *you* to figure out this game the town will lose.

I am not in "antispew". It is something I have never done. Why? Bc mostly when I am bad I am not caught, not bragging just saying.



Lucy has done fuck all to help solve. She cannot read anyone better than YOU!

Be better. Do better. Try to pull your heds out of your asses.




I would thank certain people and give final reads but you fuckers do not deserve one ounce of my help.
I dare ANY of you to ask why after the game ends.

I send every good vibe to the mafia. I hope you win <3

his post was before roxy's post if u look at the timestamps, he literally had no reason to suspect anything was off with roxy since she has literally made 0 posts at that point (between him convinced shes an anti spewing and this)

@staypositivefriend

Ah, so now we argue via "Bereft is not allowed to think thoughts over long periods of time and do smart things and go against consensus and reevaluate other parts of Roxy's play" which BTW, everyone saw me clearly doing.

Quiet yourself, Canine.

@staypositivefriend @MacDougall

Look at me vs bereft. General tone and this post of his in particular

U 2 have a couple mafia games under ur belt

Whos the mafia between me and bereft judging by our attitudes

Uve been in the situation of having to discern it before, something like this

I believe in u

[Bereft]

When bereft comes in the thread he will start screeching at me making Dennis a wagon. Mafia is close to winning and hes in a powerwolf with Dennis mindset

Just watch

Poor Dennis. Getting wagoned just out of soneone trying to spite another player.

[tutuu]

The wolf mindset behind that bereft post is

"Ive done logically good, my alibi is solid, clearly ur wrong"

But guess what punk. Logic and me is like oil and water.

He forgets that my heart is pure. He forgets to fake his own tone and demeanor

He is voting me, supposedly thinks im mafia, and hes explaining everything so neutrally. Notice the "ah" word

That is how a theoretical town player one would think talk like, but in reality we all know that no town does this

He aint no vampire aristocrat

@MacDougall @staypositivefriend

[Bereft]

Oh no, did tutuu disappear? Disappointing.

[tutuu]

When bereft comes in the thread he will start screeching at me making Dennis a wagon. Mafia is close to winning and hes in a powerwolf with Dennis mindset

Just watch

Poor Dennis. Getting wagoned just out of soneone trying to spite another player.

AND THIS DUDE SUPPOSEDLY THINKS IM MAFIA

LOOK AT THIS POST AND LAUGH

LOOK AT THIS POST

[Bereft]

Free points to whoever is able to discern my tone correctly in all of this towards tutuu.

[Bereft]

On the topic of heart vs. logic, I still townread Dennis for heart reasons, and while I'm not going to remove them from partner analysis for due diligence reasons, I don't see myself voting them for a while.

[tutuu]

When bereft comes in the thread he will start screeching at me making Dennis a wagon. Mafia is close to winning and hes in a powerwolf with Dennis mindset

Just watch

Poor Dennis. Getting wagoned just out of soneone trying to spite another player.

Look at this little weasel everyone

He is saying that he thinks dennis is town and im mafia

If that was true then naturally im just a wolf playing mafia and pushing town

There is no logical reason for him to think there is SPITE in all of this, where the fuck does spite come from

He is mafia who isnt making good posts / he isnt adjusting his perspective well

[DrWilgy]

i would like people to give me their opinions on wilgy and falcon please

Have not changed from they're clearly unpartnered and would rather vote Wilgy who probably TMI'ed Falcon town.

Falcon's town spew is just playing the game.

I tried to see if I could be wrong or if their meta was possibly going to be used as a "gotcha" in the recent game felt and that worked out horribly. I have no further reason to think Falcon would somehow break his meta at this junction.

Like, just find a game he was wolf in to compare. I'll try to get one later if needed.

[DrWilgy]

I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.

From those saying Roxy was in anti-spew I noticed SPF and Tutuu. We're there any others to your knowing?

Felt like that would've been another easy means to push, but would wolves double dip on the argument?

[tutuu]

@DrWilgy dude im begging u vote for dennis. Please

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy dude im begging u vote for dennis. Please

Idk. I still think Dennis is town for reasons as Bereft put. Mostly a vibe tell.

I think there are better pushes than Dennis even if they are wolf.

(Same position I think I put you and SPF currently.)

[sig]

@DrWilgy
@Seanzie
@falcon45ca
@Jackofhearts2005
@Creature
@sig

If you had a bullet who would you kill? If you had a vest, who would you shield?

I’d shoot tuutuu and vest you (Sig plays buddying attempt it was very effective)

[Bereft]

I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.

From those saying Roxy was in anti-spew I noticed SPF and Tutuu. We're there any others to your knowing?

Felt like that would've been another easy means to push, but would wolves double dip on the argument?

I don't know. It's easy to hide behind a general sense of "Roxy is the obvious hang" which was playing out yesterday.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy
@Seanzie
@falcon45ca
@Jackofhearts2005
@Creature
@sig

If you had a bullet who would you kill? If you had a vest, who would you shield?

A Sig shot I think would lead the game in the correct direction. Especially on me finding Tutuu. Plus Sig is just likely wolf.

I'd shield you. Falcon doesn't make sense as a NK I think. You've become my other tr that I can't really shake or at least wouldn't shake until much deeper in the game (if we get there).

[Dennis]

Why am I being read for emotion reasons and not for like, my reads? I genuinely feel like everyone is ignoring me now

[DrWilgy]

I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.

From those saying Roxy was in anti-spew I noticed SPF and Tutuu. We're there any others to your knowing?

Felt like that would've been another easy means to push, but would wolves double dip on the argument?

I don't know. It's easy to hide behind a general sense of "Roxy is the obvious hang" which was playing out yesterday.

I agree, but I think that the arguments used to make the wagon validated are important.

If it really was between SPF and Tutuu that used the anti spew argument, then I think we should solve in there, but holy hell idk how I would SPF and Tutuu are hard for my smol brain

[DrWilgy]

Why am I being read for emotion reasons and not for like, my reads? I genuinely feel like everyone is ignoring me now

Block posts are hard for me to hold onto.

It's easier for me to gauge your intent from them, but harder for me to hold data on why. Simply put I need to redo some reading on your slot, but I do not wish to discourage you from doing your thing.

[Bereft]

Why am I being read for emotion reasons and not for like, my reads? I genuinely feel like everyone is ignoring me now

Your content has been fine, I haven't managed to come up with a good reason to explain why they are good though.

[DrWilgy]

How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.

Is it being ignored?

It's definitely a possibility, but I think it's a gamble I'd be very shaky on.

Tutuu's conviction towards alot of slots could very much be TMI.

The thing that may support this is that all of the slots Tutuu wrs are what I'd think are very *safe* and apply to people that are 1 unfamiliar or 2 often misread.

who in the wr's are you thinking of here? and how do you mean "safe"?

I've seen a wr on you, Roxy, Sig, Creature, and even I'm on the list in a 50/50.

I don't think that these players carry a thread weight as much as others we've had and still do (Mac and Seanzie for example). I.e. they are safe.

[DrWilgy]

like. Sig could've voted Creature.

but how do we figure out if sig knows as wolf she's gonna flip town and doesnt vote roxy to look better off wagon and say he told us so, instead of just joining the wagon to confirm a town goes over?

the only thing is that roxy.... was not looking like they were going to keep really playing much. worrying about her not towning up and contributing later in the game if she doesnt flip, even if he thinks she's town, isn't particularly enticing, so

I agree with the later. Roxy's drop off is what had me think "maybe I'm wrong" in spite of that not being of the wolf tells I was looking for.

Creature was I think, a real yeet possibility at 5 votes had some players dropped off Roxy at any point. I think that would've undermined Sig's "I'm correct on Roxy" at the same time maybe put a vote on their teammate.

I don't think we should be playing from "well Roxy was always going over" as that was not the case, Creature had some real momentum at a point in the day.

[DrWilgy]

Okay I'm done with you. I pleaded with you to work with me yesterday and you ignored me. I'm burying you today.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

From my POV, you have not tried to work with me at all. I explained my case on you yesterday and you just called it illogical and then got upset and started AtEing. Since you've used similar AtE on me when you were a wolf in the past, you burned the one "I'mma drop it in case this is real town frustration and not manipulative AtE" card you get. I don't think I've been rude to you, and I get how this game can get heated at times, and I believe your frustration is probably genuine, but I also know you expressing frustration in the thread is NAI, so you can't expect me to just change my reads because of it.

Bury away.

You have given me zero opportunity to explain my mindset to you in a way that could persuade you to change your read. I have been very townie. You have been a town killing machine and accusing me of the opposite. You should actually reevaluate me properly if you are town. I made a day 1 solve you quoted and questioned me on that so far has had 3 town flip from my towncore and 0 mafia. Largely players you've pushed. Either you're a cause or complicit in the destruction of the town wincon in this game imo.

I've suspected town, but I have not killed anyone. Who have I pushed that then got chopped because of it?

You can say my reads are shit, but town killing? no.

Why are you letting town from your towncore flip so easily?

Oh yes I forgot I control every vote in the game.

I literally created a wagon day 1 to try to save them. Fuck off.

mfw this is wolf theater.

your face when this is wolf theater



(there's no way)

idk dood. After the Mac v Sabi theater a couple of games ago, I'd put anything on the table from Mac's slot re bickering with teammates.

[DrWilgy]

@Seanzie @Creature talk to be about SPF

If there aren't at least two wolves in SPF/Mac/Bereft, the game makes no sense.

What makes this list possible?

I think that there's one wolf between them, but I'd be very surprised to see 2 in these 3.

I don't see the game going the way it has if that group is mostly town.

I disagree.

I think this game is indicative of in fighting between town more so than deep wolf coaching town to do ill. Maybe one is doing so, but not more so.

Thus Jack/Sig I think need to be dealt with at this juncture.

you think jack/sig are causing the most fighting between town??? surely that's not what you're saying lol

Not causing. That's just town being a bunch of dinguses.

Enabling yes.

[tutuu]

I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.

From those saying Roxy was in anti-spew I noticed SPF and Tutuu. We're there any others to your knowing?

Felt like that would've been another easy means to push, but would wolves double dip on the argument?

I don't know. It's easy to hide behind a general sense of "Roxy is the obvious hang" which was playing out yesterday.

I agree, but I think that the arguments used to make the wagon validated are important.

If it really was between SPF and Tutuu that used the anti spew argument, then I think we should solve in there, but holy hell idk how I would SPF and Tutuu are hard for my smol brain

bereft was the very first one to suggest she's in anti spew lmao

[DrWilgy]

I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.

From those saying Roxy was in anti-spew I noticed SPF and Tutuu. We're there any others to your knowing?

Felt like that would've been another easy means to push, but would wolves double dip on the argument?

I don't know. It's easy to hide behind a general sense of "Roxy is the obvious hang" which was playing out yesterday.

I agree, but I think that the arguments used to make the wagon validated are important.

If it really was between SPF and Tutuu that used the anti spew argument, then I think we should solve in there, but holy hell idk how I would SPF and Tutuu are hard for my smol brain

bereft was the very first one to suggest she's in anti spew lmao

This is why I ask these things lol. I'm aware I can miss these facts.

If that opens up the argument to Bereft/SPF/you then I don't think I could solve in those three.

Why would Bereft not indicate this fact and continue to lead me to think otherwise though?

[Bereft]

Creature was a competing wagon yesterday yet the thread stayed placid. My instinct was that the wagons were on players of the same alignment, which is annoying.


I currently have Kate/Tutuu as a difference check as well, but I will elaborate more when I'm finished drawing things out as I see it currently.

[tutuu]

Spoiler: show

Ps this is my only appearance this day. I voted Dennis

Bc I won't be back or respond to anyone.

If you wont highlight how its obvious on Dennis I wont vote him or rally on your behalf

Fu Rondo for making me want to help you


Every game, 2 so far, he finds his own suspicions he did it in his own fashion, this game feels like he is being led in the thread by whatever bad town play is in action. No questions just doing what he told. He did not do this before in either game. It feels like a mafia member told him here's how to be bad. And it's obv bc It does not fit with his play from the other games.



Ps this ploy will no longer work and will self destruct when I hit submit

And exactly what bad town plays would that be?

Anyways, I don't perceive Roxy as being an outed wolf (if they are a wolf they're obviously in antispew, its actually a pretty blatant antispew now that I think about it), nor do I think that Wilgy gets spewed town by anything that has happened.

"(if they are a wolf they're obviously in antispew, its actually a pretty blatant antispew now that I think about it)"

@DrWilgy i dont think that it matters too much about this whole anti spew thing but just saying. berefet is mafia. maybe by ur own logic u can find him mafia with this thing

[tutuu]

Why would Bereft not indicate this fact and continue to lead me to think otherwise though?

because he's mafia. kill him. i want him dead. please.

[DrWilgy]

Oki

[DrWilgy]

Tutuu over here whispering sweet words of murder into my ears.